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Yeah, the WoL beats Zenos in a dimension of raw emotion after suffering blows that can and would have put them down because their willpower was stronger. That's kind of the thing with the WoL. Your unwillingness to give up and surrender means you end up in situations where some kind of help or deus ex machina can empower you to overcome seemingly unstoppable odds, and even that requires a whooooole lot of coincidence, chance and literal time travel. Honestly the game is pretty good about emphasizing that when you punch tremendously high it is because there is something allowing you to do it and/or you're doing it with help, because your power is defined as being able to make friends and allies who come together in times of need. That isn't to say you're not one of the absolute toughest motherfuckers out there but you're not the Solo Godking Of The World.
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Countblanc posted:Yeah but so are some bears. Maybe the WoL should summon bears next time. Most players say they would feel safer in a strange Extreme with a bear in the party than a pubbie.
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Ytlaya posted:I think that you're just not supposed to think too hard about the group summoning stuff. My best understanding is just that you're "summoning some skilled adventurer buddies." So it's just the WoL's friends outside of the story or something. I mean, the entire narrative of the Omega raids was Omega getting increasingly annoyed by your success in the face of a series of opponents that, by the numbers, should have wiped the floor with you. The WoL wins because it turns out that Burning Spirit is actually a physical property of the universe and our protagonist has a lot of that.  Plus, you know, friends. Thundarr fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 23, 2024 |
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In hindsight the Omega raid is fully and smoothly explained by it having incredibly limited data on Dynamis and taking its first crack at a form that uses it. So I was thinking about what I said earlier and who are the contenders for strongest on the source? Probably excluding ascians, who bounce all over the place depending on plot needs. The rule of comedy makes it murky whether or not Godbert steals the #1 spot or isn't in the running to begin with. You've got some classic heavyweights like Raubahn, Merlwyb and Kan-E-Senna(legitimate wielder and representative of the elements and/or knee-capping all acceptable answers.) Zenos is probably closest to the canon #1 spot, though Garlemald puts out quite a few big shots. Gaius could easily be in the running too. Although it's easy to think of the Scions as all subordinate to the WoL, especially with solo duty ability bars, Thancred pulls a WoL-tier win solo in ShB and Estinien seems pretty WoL-comparable. There's never any doubt in a scene where he throws his spear like a magical nuke, that's a fully accepted thing he can do. There's also the cats, G'raha is pretty heavyweight for a mage and there's always the suggestion that Y'shtola could turn the WoL into a frog if she got really pissed. All of the Scions seem to believe the hype that the WoL is a tier above each of them individually though. Except Tartaru, who clearly wins this thought exercise. Then there's the land of exceptions to the rule in the Azim Steppe, even beat back the empire where Eorzea couldn't and by themselves at that. I'm sure there'll be another power spike/curve with Dawntrail hitting and that reminds me of figures like Vrtra who upset the curve, though maybe technical aliens don't count. FF14 is pretty grounded for uhm, a Final Fantasy but by virtue of their steady adventuring the Scions are persistently becoming the likely strongest people in the world.
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Kan-E is absolutely one of the strongest characters on paper, but i think it's safe to assume she has little combat experience and probably wouldn't really be much of a 1v1 threat. Estinian and Zero are probably the strongest of our closest allies, with Thancred a bit behind. I also feel like Hien is probably pretty far up there especially since he's an actually trained combatant
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There's a little throwaway line after Azadahl's legacy, when you return there with Varshan to check out the void portal. The alchemists had already repaired and restocked the dungeon's defenses, but Estinien ran ahead and destroyed them all again before the rest of the group could catch up. So at the very least Estinien can solo the dungeon. Probably not a big feat for the WoL if they're a tank or healer though.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, the WoL beats Zenos in a dimension of raw emotion after suffering blows that can and would have put them down because their willpower was stronger. That's kind of the thing with the WoL. Your unwillingness to give up and surrender means you end up in situations where some kind of help or deus ex machina can empower you to overcome seemingly unstoppable odds, and even that requires a whooooole lot of coincidence, chance and literal time travel. We're Goku, but Goku towards the end of the original Dragonball where the other supporting members can still feel useful and aren't so utterly far behind us that they aren't even on our plane of existence anymore. As far as the Azem stone goes, I don't think we're summoning adventurers from other shards. At least not living ones. I think it's more like that we're summoning shades of other/previous adventurers. More sophisticated versions than the ones that Elidibus threw at us, but still shades.
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Doomykins posted:In hindsight the Omega raid is fully and smoothly explained by it having incredibly limited data on Dynamis and taking its first crack at a form that uses it. Honest answer that isn't Godbert? Martyn. The dude has canonically wrecked the poo poo of some of the biggest badasses on the planet and stolen their powers.
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WoL is Little Mac, and can beat a
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I think Thancred's on our level, but a lot of his skillset is in espionage which is orthogonal to the way we approach things so punch-for-punch someone like Estinien's much more obvious. As far as how the (current) Scions rank against each other I'd put the Twins and Krile on the lower tier (not to say they're any slouch), Urianger and Shtola middle, and Thancred Estinien and Raha at the top. But all of them have specializations where they can flex, and the main reason I boost Thancred is he's had a lot of opportunities to show it off while the other "elder Scions" have been more used for loredumps. Mr "oh I'll just infiltrate Garlemald alone and spread the rumor of the information we found out, no biggie." Y'Shtola may be tearing the fabric of the universe apart for a booty call, but she hasn't broken into an enemy fortress to rescue her surrogate sister/daughter. And yeah, shoutout to Martyn who is incredibly skilled at all sorts of magic and gets to play his role as a joke character because it's not often needed of him and he's so dedicated to promoting Blue magic that he hamstrings himself.
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Oh yeah, Martyn is definitely the Brolly to the WoL's Goku. 
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ImpAtom posted:Honest answer that isn't Godbert? The best part of Godbert is that when you ignore his whole nudist oiled up thing, this is you, this is the WoL, kinda. This is what the world experiences when you show up. Nicer and less likely to strip on the spot but just as much of a ridiculous cryptid with superpowers that just Does Stuff.
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Tzarnal posted:The best part of Godbert is that when you ignore his whole nudist oiled up thing, this is you, this is the WoL, kinda. This is what the world experiences when you show up. Nicer and less likely to strip on the spot but just as much of a ridiculous cryptid with superpowers that just Does Stuff. I mean I've done enough roulettes to know that odds are probably just as good as Godbert that a catgirl in her underwear will show up to solve your problem.
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If it's okay, could you talk around big story beats like time travel and dimension jumping until Dawntrail is out? I know the game is old and I don't mean to make things difficult. It's just this thread is a good resource for anything related to the expansion for us sprouts too. That kinda falls outside what the newbie thread does.
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The WoL is a human can opener.
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My WoL is an incompetent himbo constantly in the wrong place at the right time and is consistently bailed out by divine providence or similar deus ex machina.
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SettingSun posted:My WoL is an incompetent himbo constantly in the wrong place at the right time and is consistently bailed out by divine providence or similar deus ex machina. We’re all Hildibrand.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean I've done enough roulettes to know that odds are probably just as good as Godbert that a catgirl in her underwear will show up to solve your problem. 
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Attack on Princess posted:If it's okay, could you talk around big story beats like time travel and dimension jumping until Dawntrail is out? Sorry. I'll do my best.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean I've done enough roulettes to know that odds are probably just as good as Godbert that a catgirl in her underwear will show up to solve your problem. https://youtu.be/a9BtB890H0M?si=1JADeQB52xmqI8LY
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My favorite characterization of the WOL is their willingness to do whatever the person in front of them asks, usually without the slightest hesitation. This becomes increasingly worrisome if you happen to do side quests.
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Professor Beetus posted:My favorite characterization of the WOL is their willingness to do whatever the person in front of them asks, usually without the slightest hesitation. This becomes increasingly worrisome if you happen to do side quests. I like when the intro to the Nier raids calls you out on that with the whole "Of course that's the Warrior of Darkness, with his mighty neck muscles forged by years of nodding!" and the dialogue option of "It literally does not matter what I say right now, does it?"
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Welp, all done with the Yo-kai Watch stuff. Took a bit longer than grinding out the Atma step for all of the ARR relic weapons I did a little while ago (I stopped there for all of them, only taking a few all the way to Z), which tracks since there's four more weapons.
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Professor Beetus posted:My favorite characterization of the WOL is their willingness to do whatever the person in front of them asks, usually without the slightest hesitation. This becomes increasingly worrisome if you happen to do side quests. "haha, I asked the world's greatest hero to pick literal poo poo up off the ground and they did it" "Joke's on you, this is my hobby"
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Green Thancred is pretty popular https://twitter.com/MTNDEWGaming/status/1791172174331408420 https://www.gamesradar.com/games/fi...o-promote-soda/  https://twitter.com/EredithPanzert/status/1791190290503503907 https://twitter.com/DistantValhalla/status/1791204543448887707 Runa fucked around with this message at 23:23 on May 23, 2024 |
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The Fall Guys event is cool and all, but it'd be significantly cooler if they'd fixed the absolute dogshit hit detection on the crystal carrying game.
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I wonder how the marketing intern playing Big Sippin feels about the MSQ, or did they spring for a story skip? Still has his sprout!
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Doomykins posted:I wonder how the marketing intern playing Big Sippin feels about the MSQ, or did they spring for a story skip? Still has his sprout!
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for the freaks among us, what are all the various things one can prep for day 1 VPR/PCT leveling? catbook and elephant tribals, what else is there before falling into the trust hole for 6 hours
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Hogama posted:Big Sippin has a Legacy Chocobo and a Cait Sith Doll minion... Wonder if Mt Dew paid someone to do a fantasia and name change lol I hope the WOL never runs across an ATM that asks them to feed it a cat Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 23:50 on May 23, 2024 |
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Hogama posted:Big Sippin has a Legacy Chocobo and a Cait Sith Doll minion... P-Powerful...
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Make sure you have your Azeyma earing. GC or FC experience buffs too, and hell random food for 3%. Last the thread calculated, Bozja leveling speed is comparable to queueless chain dungeon speed. With the advantage of not having queues or having another dps asleep at the wheel. Hitting trusts will of course also bypass the queues, but the speed will take a hit.
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oh really? I thought people here agreed chain trusts were the fastest. I'm glad to hear otherwise, i do not enjoy doing trusts (though I'll probably mix a few in just for variety's sake)
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Countblanc posted:for the freaks among us, what are all the various things one can prep for day 1 VPR/PCT leveling? catbook and elephant tribals, what else is there before falling into the trust hole for 6 hours
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Countblanc posted:oh really? I thought people here agreed chain trusts were the fastest. I'm glad to hear otherwise, i do not enjoy doing trusts (though I'll probably mix a few in just for variety's sake) Yeah, it was a couple months ago. It took 5 non-trust dungeons to gain two levels and qualify for the next dungeon, minimal rested exp. Estimating 20 minutes a run, and I was a healer so queues were negligible, 8-9 hours to level from 81-90. Someone doing Bozja around the same time found it a bit faster.
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isn't there an exp bonus of some kind for doing each dungeon on a job for the first time? or am i making poo poo up/was i lied to years ago
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Countblanc posted:oh really? I thought people here agreed chain trusts were the fastest. I'm glad to hear otherwise, i do not enjoy doing trusts (though I'll probably mix a few in just for variety's sake) My math when I was trying to figure it out was screwed up because Boizja is worth more 80-90 than it is 70-80. It comes out "best" if things work optimally, though not as good as potential because players have decided that "optimal" is a method that sacrifices the ability to kill mobs for extra fates along the way so either everybody misses out or somebody focuses those at the cost of being on time to fates that explode immediately. Close enough to other methods that it's all about which particular grind you can stand.
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Guildhests used to do something similar. I remember getting dragged through those dumb things back in the day for some reason on each class.
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Kerrzhe posted:isn't there an exp bonus of some kind for doing each dungeon on a job for the first time? or am i making poo poo up/was i lied to years ago there is but you need to hold down L+Start when you initiate the queue
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