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Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
As Kipling said (and my profile quotes) we have fed our sea for a thousand years
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Timmy Age 6
Jul 23, 2011

Lobster says "mrow?"

Ramrod XTreme

Trig Discipline posted:

I haven't had a close call with a submarine but the goddamn glass bottom boats full of tourists would come and just hover over us while we were working in Curacao and it pissed us off to no end. For one thing it's a safety issue, but for another thing we don't want tourists seeing us catch fish for research and think it's okay for them to do the same. The methods we use (barrier nets, dip nets, and chemicals while on SCUBA) are straight up illegal for anyone who doesn't have special permission. We're also often negatively buoyant and crawling around on the substrate, so it's not even a good example to set for the tourists for how to dive safely/responsibly.

Also possibly the most terrifying "I'm going to loving die" moment I've ever had on SCUBA was when one of those fuckers went right over us in barely enough water for us to cling to the bottom and have it go over us. I could feel my whole body thrumming with the vibrations from the engine.

Research diving is loads of fun like that in touristy areas. Even when just getting down to the water - I'm sure there are dozens of tour buses worth of photos of my colleagues and I lumbering down the rocks to shore dives by lighthouses. Extra fun when you're overheating in 7 mm of neoprene and a hood on a hot summer day and some rando family of retirees wants to hear all about what you're doing! Fortunately, in those spots, I'm usually just the helper and I can abandon my buddy to her fate of telling them about her work while I happily splash around and cool off in the shallows. There are occasional benefits to mostly working in places that aren't as, uh, scenic.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
I did all of my training wearing a 7 over 7 farmer john and shorty in northern California, and oh man those minutes of roasting on the shore were just my least favorite thing ever. Once I started actually doing my graduate work in tropical areas I was like "holy gently caress diving can actually be not incredibly difficult and maybe kinda fun actually?" I have done very little cold water diving since.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Trig Discipline posted:

I haven't had a close call with a submarine but the goddamn glass bottom boats full of tourists would come and just hover over us while we were working in Curacao and it pissed us off to no end. For one thing it's a safety issue, but for another thing we don't want tourists seeing us catch fish for research and think it's okay for them to do the same. The methods we use (barrier nets, dip nets, and chemicals while on SCUBA) are straight up illegal for anyone who doesn't have special permission. We're also often negatively buoyant and crawling around on the substrate, so it's not even a good example to set for the tourists for how to dive safely/responsibly.

Also possibly the most terrifying "I'm going to loving die" moment I've ever had on SCUBA was when one of those fuckers went right over us in barely enough water for us to cling to the bottom and have it go over us. I could feel my whole body thrumming with the vibrations from the engine.

Ugggg, That sounds horrible.

I know exactly where you were, the CARMABI research station at Piscadera, next to the Hilton. Right across the channel from the Hilton, there are some shallow reefs that are great for snorkeling. I saw some glass bottoms boats over there, and I did wonder about how shallow it is there...


Trig Discipline posted:

I have done very little cold water diving since.

I like cold water diving, but I can admit that it is a masochistic experience.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Fallen Rib

Squashy Nipples posted:

Ugggg, That sounds horrible.

I know exactly where you were, the CARMABI research station at Piscadera, next to the Hilton. Right across the channel from the Hilton, there are some shallow reefs that are great for snorkeling. I saw some glass bottoms boats over there, and I did wonder about how shallow it is there...

I like cold water diving, but I can admit that it is a masochistic experience.

Type 2 fun for sure.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

Squashy Nipples posted:

Ugggg, That sounds horrible.

I know exactly where you were, the CARMABI research station at Piscadera, next to the Hilton. Right across the channel from the Hilton, there are some shallow reefs that are great for snorkeling. I saw some glass bottoms boats over there, and I did wonder about how shallow it is there...

Yes! I have worked at CARMABI off and on for almost twenty years now (jesus christ really?). I've done a ton of work on those reefs right across the channel. They're generally nice but can get a bit nasty sometimes, but if you can get a little boat and head maybe 500m further up along the coast it is absolutely amazing.

When we first started working there most of what currently exists wasn't built yet, none of the buildings had air con, and anything you set down anywhere would get stolen within thirty seconds. My first trip there I was working on sperm motility in wrasses, and needed to centrifuge samples to extract sperm. The best I could do given what was available there was to tie a string around an eppendorf tube and whip it around over my head as fast as I could. Then I got the idea to use the ceiling fan in one of the labs as a centrifuge instead, which worked slightly better.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Trig Discipline posted:

My first trip there I was working on sperm motility in wrasses, and needed to centrifuge samples to extract sperm

Shakin' dat wrasse

Timmy Age 6
Jul 23, 2011

Lobster says "mrow?"

Ramrod XTreme

Trig Discipline posted:

Yes! I have worked at CARMABI off and on for almost twenty years now (jesus christ really?). I've done a ton of work on those reefs right across the channel. They're generally nice but can get a bit nasty sometimes, but if you can get a little boat and head maybe 500m further up along the coast it is absolutely amazing.

When we first started working there most of what currently exists wasn't built yet, none of the buildings had air con, and anything you set down anywhere would get stolen within thirty seconds. My first trip there I was working on sperm motility in wrasses, and needed to centrifuge samples to extract sperm. The best I could do given what was available there was to tie a string around an eppendorf tube and whip it around over my head as fast as I could. Then I got the idea to use the ceiling fan in one of the labs as a centrifuge instead, which worked slightly better.

I cannot for the life of me fully express how much I enjoy the stupid bullshit improvisation aspect of field research, which is doubly the case for diving work - maybe someone somewhere was silly enough to build a tool for the strange task I am doing, but odds are they didn’t need to do it underwater…

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

Timmy Age 6 posted:

I cannot for the life of me fully express how much I enjoy the stupid bullshit improvisation aspect of field research, which is doubly the case for diving work - maybe someone somewhere was silly enough to build a tool for the strange task I am doing, but odds are they didn’t need to do it underwater…

It's one of my favorite parts of science.

At one point my wife and I had a question where we wanted to determine the relative territoriality of terminal phase blueheads, so we built what I called "The Angryometer". It was a GoPro attached to a microphone stand, with a mirror attached to the base of the stand. The idea was that a TP male would see his reflection and attack the mirror, and by watching the video and counting the number of attacks in five minutes we could get a measure of relative aggression.



It didn't work, or rather worked too well. Every TP male we put it in front of basically attacked it nonstop until we took it away, so there was really no meaningful variance in the measurements. Aggro little shits.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Ordered a new backplate and wing to replace my old zeagle. Looking forward to giving it a go in Bonaire in a couple weeks.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Ropes4u posted:

Ordered a new backplate and wing to replace my old zeagle. Looking forward to giving it a go in Bonaire in a couple weeks.

Jealous.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
My gf uses a travel Zeagle and my god that is the lightest BCD I've ever held.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Ropes4u posted:

Looking forward to giving it a go in Bonaire in a couple weeks.


Wish I could join you!
I was trying to get together a dive trip to Bonaire for after Mother's Day, but it didn't happen.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Kesper North posted:

Shakin' dat wrasse

I see you baby

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Trivia posted:

My gf uses a travel Zeagle and my god that is the lightest BCD I've ever held.

I had a ranger - while perfectly adequate it is a bit to bulky for my preference.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Trivia posted:

My gf uses a travel Zeagle and my god that is the lightest BCD I've ever held.

My steel backplate goes around the world. I love that stupid thing.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

I went with an aluminum piranha plate, may need to get a steel backplate one of these days.

ploots
Mar 19, 2010
I have a steel because I need the weight at home. It’s a bit annoying to travel with - we can’t put much more than backplates, wings, and fins in a checked bag without going over weight. But in warm water with a 3mm suit I don’t need any additional weight at all.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

I travel with my full sized Knighthawk, but I also bring one whole checked bag just for scuba gear.

Bulky, but it doesn't weigh much. At home, I gets my extra weight from my giant steel tanks.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

:hai:

Steel tanks loving rule.

Leandros
Dec 14, 2008

Can someone explain the obsession with nudibranches?! Every instructor I've encountered mentions them like they're an Easter egg on a dive. I get that they're pretty loving trippy but is there more to them?

plester1
Jul 9, 2004





Leandros posted:

Can someone explain the obsession with nudibranches?! Every instructor I've encountered mentions them like they're an Easter egg on a dive. I get that they're pretty loving trippy but is there more to them?

There's ~3000 species and they're all radically different, like rare Pokemon. You'll likely never see the same specific weird alien thing again in your life.

ploots
Mar 19, 2010
they're cute and frequently weird looking.

Also they can't run away and barely react, so they're easy to show off to a bunch of inexperienced students with terrible buoyancy

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

My better half is a nudibranch whisperer. She can spot them from twenty feet off the reef; It’s uncanny. We were semi-recently tide-pooling in Homer Alaska, and she spotted like eight of the things. The two local tour guides were beside themselves with how easily she was able to spot them.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Yea they have really pretty colors, strange shapes, usually difficult-ish to spot, and are like the top subject for someone doing macro photos. They barely look like they’re even from this planet.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
They're weird and wild and a testament to a diver or guide's spotting ability.

They're also rare enough that they're 'something new' for those of us that are very bored of the common fish on the reef.

Leandros
Dec 14, 2008

That makes sense, thanks!

Resonance22
Dec 17, 2006



I am also obsessed with nudibranches. They're so loving cool.

This cutey was somewhere in Coron, Philippines


I think this is a flatworm and not a nudibranch, but still neat!
https://i.imgur.com/qlLEPxi.mp4

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Flatworms are some of the coolest sea creatures. I love the way they move.

Leandros
Dec 14, 2008

Speaking of worms, came across this feller in Elephant Cave, Crete:.

Coming from a full frame DSLR to this bouncy camera with a shitload of presets but no manual control feels pretty loving restrictive so a lot of blurry photos but at least this one went somewhat ok. I wish I could splurge on a housing for my D750 :sigh:

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

MrYenko posted:

My better half is a nudibranch whisperer. She can spot them from twenty feet off the reef; It’s uncanny. We were semi-recently tide-pooling in Homer Alaska, and she spotted like eight of the things. The two local tour guides were beside themselves with how easily she was able to spot them.

I have a friend who is like this with cephalopods. Able to spot camouflaged octopus from twenty meters away that I can't see from two.

BTW if anyone is looking for a mostly scuba insta follow he is an absolutely excellent photographer: https://www.instagram.com/keishuasada/

Believe it or not, every one of those was shot with an Olympus TG-something without any additional lighting or case.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Just about the whole island of
Bonaire is wrecked with Stoney coral loss disease https://shorturl.at/5HGZV

Finding a place to beat what has been our favorite vacation for the last nine years will be tough, but I don’t see this place getting better with more development.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
gently caress that's depressing.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
Here in the Gulf of Thailand bleaching has finally started to show its ugly face. It follows what was arguably some of the hottest weather here in recent memory (according to the old hats).

Very disheartening.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Trivia posted:

Here in the Gulf of Thailand bleaching has finally started to show its ugly face. It follows what was arguably some of the hottest weather here in recent memory (according to the old hats).

Very disheartening.

This popped up on my news feed: https://phys.org/news/2024-05-thailand-expo-coral-future.html

Horrific.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Trig Discipline posted:

gently caress that's depressing.

Yes, but honestly, not THAT much worse then when I was there a year ago.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Fallen Rib

Squashy Nipples posted:

Yes, but honestly, not THAT much worse then when I was there a year ago.

Give it a few years. Fuuuuuuck.

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Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Squashy Nipples posted:

Yes, but honestly, not THAT much worse then when I was there a year ago.

I don’t think the coral disease will ramp up as fast as the lovely all inclusive beach tourists, rental boats (they are already warning divers to watch for them, jet skis, and electric surfboards (whatever they call them)

But my wife has decided we are coming back in the winter, and the diving is still drat good, I’m just pessimistic about the future of Bonaire

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