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Damo posted:Another person who has somehow made it to my 30s without ever seeing a Mad Max film, even though they seem right up my alley, checking in. Go back and watch the original again in a couple of months or so. I appreciated it a LOT more the second time around as generally Its a bit different a film to what you expect and mars the first viewings.
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moths posted:... Robert Rodriguez has looked past that, so I probably can too. This is the weirdest standard for absolution I have ever seen. Rodriguez had Steven Seagal in his movie too, and last I checked that guy was still a lovely nutcase.
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Robert Rodriguez had Lindsay Lohan in a movie. He only chooses the most upstanding of actors.
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Rottentomatoes has Fury Road listed as an R rated film (by no means the official, announced rating). Although I wish it could be R-Rated, I'm sure the studio will go the typical "safe money" route and sanitize it just enough for PG-13. Would be great if they took a chance with an R rating, ushering in a new era of big-budget R-rated actioners that...hahahahaha, couldn't finish that sentence.
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Caustic posted:Rottentomatoes has Fury Road listed as an R rated film (by no means the official, announced rating). Although I wish it could be R-Rated, I'm sure the studio will go the typical "safe money" route and sanitize it just enough for PG-13. Would be great if they took a chance with an R rating, ushering in a new era of big-budget R-rated actioners that...hahahahaha, couldn't finish that sentence. The Matrix movies were R rated, and while they're more cartoonish than anything the first one has a lot of squibs, human characters getting beaten down/shot on screen, etc. At the same time I don't think they ushered in the golden mid-eighties age like people had hoped. District 9 and Elysium both looked way more expensive than their budgets would imply and were pretty brutal at the same time but they didn't either. Doomsday had some hype briefly too and also failed.  It would be great if, like Mad Max and Road Warrior in the late seventies and early eighties, Fury Road contributed to ushering in a new era of cinematic ultra violence.**I know Saw/torture porn/splatterfest/etc. stuff has always been around but I mean more in this heavily marketed action film context.
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Andro posted:I've never been more excited about a movie. Thunderdome had some great characters, but the little kids killed it for me. They were too busy getting into little kid hijinks with the badass wasteland barbarians I've come to know and fear while Max bails them out. By the end it's a great plot with enormous empathy as we watch Max save the future of the world. But the middle is pretty lovely watching kids one-up mohawked berzerkers like a Rodriguez Sky Kids flick. Neo Rasa posted:The Matrix movies were R rated, and while they're more cartoonish than anything the first one has a lot of squibs, human characters getting beaten down/shot on screen, etc. At the same time I don't think they ushered in the golden mid-eighties age like people had hoped. District 9 and Elysium both looked way more expensive than their budgets would imply and were pretty brutal at the same time but they didn't either. Doomsday had some hype briefly too and also failed. The worst violence has always been hinted at, not shown. A Clockwork Orange garnered an X rating with barely any on-screen violence. What was shown was choreographed, bloodless and operatic or left to the darkest glimpses of the mind of the viewer. I'm hoping Fury Road follows that format. Keep it technically safe enough for a wide release. But hurt us. Hurt us bad, make us feel the sickness of the horror, the Lord Humungous demands it.
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"Oh my God *points off frame* THOSE cars are crashing into each other!!!" Mad Max: Fury Road, Rated X
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Nutsngum posted:Go back and watch the original again in a couple of months or so. I appreciated it a LOT more the second time around as generally Its a bit different a film to what you expect and mars the first viewings. The first one is subtle and you need the follow-up history of what happens from the later movies. Going into Mad Max blind just makes you question why things are civilized but that crazy. Watching it again after you've seen the trilogy let's you pick up the less obvious stuff, like the MFP's headquarters slowly going from a bustling hub of activity at the start, to an abandoned building when Max gets the Interceptor. It shows the tipping point of the end of modern society without ever telling you that's what you're watching.
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The Mad Max trilogy is a very formative series of films for me, and I am super, super invested in Fury Road. If it defies all expectations by sucking, that might actually break my heart. One of my favorite aspects of the films in the cultural world-building. Not just the insane vehicles and outfits -- which I do love -- but also the bizarre naming conventions (TOECUTTER, HUMONGUS, GIGAHORSE) and idiosyncratic speech patterns. That's probably why I like Thunderdome as much as I do, because the Mad Max timeline is a J-curve of insanity, and all those aspects are cranked past 11 in Thunderdome. I even love the oasis kids, with their weird chants and the way they've fetishized lost technology to the point where they frame their own origin story using a reconstructed television "screen," even though they no longer remember what television is. They don't just have invented slang thrown in, they use weird sentence construction as well. Dr. Dealgood is a less extreme take on this, but those details are what make the series so rewatchable for me.
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For the complaints I have about Thunderdome I actually like the bit with the lost tribe of kids, which a lot of people seem to hate more than anything else. It’s an interesting new scenario to see Max in and I really like how it further reintroduces him to his humanity, building on The Road Warrior. My only major problem is when they invade Barter Town afterwards and it just becomes a mess with a cool chase (Ironbar dodging the roadsigns or whatever is spectacular). The names are one of my favourite parts of the series too. Toecutter, Johnny the Boy, Fifi (for a giant, bald, muscular, leather-clad guy with a moustache), Pappagallo, Curmudgeon, Master/Blaster, Dr. Dealgood, Aunt Entity. There’s so much insane poo poo going on just three films and it looks like Fury Road is continuing a fine tradition.
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I think Bubba Zanetti is my favorite name in the whole movie, 'cause that dude looks nothing like a Bubba. Which brings me to a point about the trilogy I don't think a lot of people pick up on, the "villains" of the film often aren't leaders with complete control, either by choice or by necessity, especially in the first film. Toecutter and Bubba have a weird relationship, and it's almost as if Bubba is the one in charge. Toecutter listens to his suggestions and almost seems like a figurehead at times, due to his imposing looks and attitude. Bubba definitely strikes me as the brains and the action man, and his coolness is definitely more frightening than Toecutters unhinged nature. You get the opposite in Road Warrior with Humungous and Wez. Humungous, despite his size and looks, is the collected one, and Wez is the psycho. Despite Humungous overpowering Wez, I never got the feeling that if Wez wanted to kill Humungous and take control, he couldn't have. It's just one of those small parts that Miller does well that adds an element to the films that most action films don't have.
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Bubba is my favorite. Every bit the ruthless but understated lieutenant. "Perhaps it was the result of an anxiety."
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I love the weird quasi-religious nature of the gang in Mad Max in general. The Nightrider is like less a human and more like their god. But still the Nightrider is so proud of himself "If you could see me now Toecutter!" I love the scene where Bubba is talking to Toecutter about how Johnny the Boy isn't good enough because he got busted for leading that gang rape of the couple trying to drive away from them. I like their disagreement about how if he's worth keeping in the gang and Bubba's "He's NOTHING like the Nightrider!!!!!!!!!!!!!" as Toecutter rides off. Like The Nightrider is a mythical ideal who they all aspire to some day be. But the only "Nightrider" at the end of the movie is Max himself!
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You do get the impression Bubba is ultimately calling the shots, though. I'm thinking particularly where Toecutter tells him to stop toying with Max and he just blows him off. TC wouldn't take that from anyone else, but he backs down and doesn't push. I always had the impression that something was physically wrong with the Humongous, and he was actually all show. Something about the way he moves seems weird, like he's in constant pain. I can't think of a scene when we see him walk, either, but that could just be my cruddy memory.
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moths posted:You do get the impression Bubba is ultimately calling the shots, though. I'm thinking particularly where Toecutter tells him to stop toying with Max and he just blows him off. TC wouldn't take that from anyone else, but he backs down and doesn't push. Eh, I never got the feeling that Toecutter wasn't in charge. I just felt that he trusted Bubba enough to treat him more like an equal than an underling. Also, Humungus is perfectly mobile. You see him running around a bit when Max first brings the tanker back to the compound. First when he spots Max: http://youtu.be/wNzfgl_H5vA?t=2m26s And a bit later when he's yelling at Lone Wolf and Wez to get the gate open.
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moths posted:I always had the impression that something was physically wrong with the Humongous, and he was actually all show. Something about the way he moves seems weird, like he's in constant pain. I can't think of a scene when we see him walk, either, but that could just be my cruddy memory. The back of his head has some nasty burns.
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He does have a kind've hulking, wheezing thing going on, like it takes a lot of effort to exert himself. I think part of it is the actor constantly flexing while giving his speeches. But yeah, definitely formidable. I wonder if Tom Hardy had him in mind when he was playing Bane? I love the Road Warrior though, every time I watch I find something new in the back ground, like the number of women in the Humungous' gang. They aren't completely obvious at first, but if you look around when they first show off the gang you see a lot of them. And just how bizarre whole sequence of the Humungous burning all the scouts is. It's like this fever dream of torture and violence, and it's even raining in the desert! As far as Fury Road, one thing I like is how the Interceptor, which started out as such an over the top, excessively powerful vehicle, looks downright normal and pedestrian compared to the rest of the vehicles we see in the trailer.
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Neo Rasa posted:I love the weird quasi-religious nature of the gang in Mad Max in general. The Nightrider is like less a human and more like their god. But still the Nightrider is so proud of himself "If you could see me now Toecutter!" The whole great thing about the Nightrider worship is that, when he finally faces Max in that opening chase, he completely breaks down in the face of someone with a stronger willpower. If he hadn't killed himself by an eye-popping accident (mirroring Toecutter's own demise), I doubt the Toecutter and his gang would be chomping at the bit to be in the presence of a sniveling, crying coward. Oh, since we were talking about Australian and/or post-apocalypse entertainment, I'd recommend Dead-End Drive-In. It follows the same tropes of a collapsing Australia cut off economically that Mad Max does. One of the interesting background bits is that things have gone all Cuba and cars are now a precious commodity that there's a minor war between salvage truckers, who race to claim the cars in accidents so they can resell the parts, and the "cowboys", gangs of road-racers who strip accidents scenes and ambush unsuspecting motorists for their cars. Also, Dead-End Drive-In is almost timeless when the government starts shipping in Asians and the mostly white punks in the Young Freud fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Dec 20, 2014 |
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Blind Sally posted:Eh, I never got the feeling that Toecutter wasn't in charge. I just felt that he trusted Bubba enough to treat him more like an equal than an underling. Equals is probably a better assessment of the Bubba-Toecutter relationship. I think that herkey-jerkey gait he's got going on is probably due to that headgear. It doesn't look like the costume allows any side-to-side motion. Between that, the burns, and wheezing it seems like Humongous has seen better days. I rewatched the original today, and it definitely sounded like they wanted to do more with Goose in a sequel. There was that line about not believing he's dead "until you see the box go in the hole," and there also weren't any doctors talking salvage.
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I don't know if it was intentional to cast a non-Australian for The Humungous or if Kjell Nilsson was just the biggest dude they could find, but the Swedish-Australian accent he's got is pretty glorious and adds to his strangeness. The character is possibly supposed to be German since he has that Iron Cross or something with his revolver case but he could easily have swiped that from a WW2 museum or something.
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moths posted:Equals is probably a better assessment of the Bubba-Toecutter relationship. Not only that, but there's the issue of the big, rigid neckpiece reinforced with struts that looks very similar to what someone with a spinal injury would wear. Considering he leads a bunch of high-octane wasteland barbarians, nasty crashes are an occupational hazard and the film gives the impression that he's had his share but was just too drat tough to die. david_a posted:I don't know if it was intentional to cast a non-Australian for The Humungous or if Kjell Nilsson was just the biggest dude they could find, but the Swedish-Australian accent he's got is pretty glorious and adds to his strangeness. The character is possibly supposed to be German since he has that Iron Cross or something with his revolver case but he could easily have swiped that from a WW2 museum or something. There's also a picture of a German WWI soldier and (presumably) his wife in the case. I always took it as it was a collection of heirlooms from his family, the last little bit of the old world left in Humongous. Of course that would make the huge loving .44 neatly tucked away inside a pretty cool bit of characterization.
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It's great because you don't really know if it's a keepsake from some tragic past or just some poo poo he found scavenging the wasteland.
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Capn Beeb posted:Is it ever stated what year Road Warrior takes place in? Cause the pictures and medals in the pistol case make me think 1910-1920 or so. That's the sort of touches that really make these movies great. All we know is that the objects in the case mean quite a bit to him, and are neatly organized and well-maintained despite everything else in his life being chaotic. Whether they are mementos of the loved ones he lost or just the favorite things in his 'shiny poo poo I've taken off of the corpses of my victims' collection is anyone's guess. The Mad Max films have all kinds of nifty little unspoken touches like that. My favorite is the revolver itself - the film never outright states that guns and ammunition are just as scarce as gasoline. But we see everyone using makeshift weapons and crossbows, and the only guns are used in extreme circumstances and carefully employed. The scoped .44 Humongous uses in that role is great, since he wants to make every shot count and it gives the impression of a carefully controlled but powerful villain, as opposed to Wez's pure unchecked aggression. Of course by the third movie Max is carrying three quarters of the guns in the outback on him at all times, but he seems like the sort of guy who gets into altercations often.
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The Road Warrior is somewhere between 2000 and 2010 depending on the timeline you read. The stuff in the gun case is a mix of WWI and WWII, (there's a Waffen SS Death's Head in it), so it's pretty clear that if it's his stuff, it's his dad and grandfather or something like that. Here's a pretty good extrapolation of the timeline. The movies are sorta disjointed in how they describe history so there's a lot of blank spaces that have to get filled in. e- The thing that makes the box confusing is the Iron Cross and Death's Head are also staple imagery used by biker gangs, so it's just as possible he keeps those for that reason, too. Germanic immigrant with family pride, or Germanic immigrant who joined a biker gang pre-downfall, both are valid. e2- Actually looking it up, there's no Iron Cross. The medals seem to be Australian military WWII theater ribbons plus a Totenkopf, so who knows? Most likely a Commonwealth soldier, but it's weird to have Pacific service ribbons plus a Nazi trophy. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Dec 21, 2014 |
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VikingSkull posted:e2- Actually looking it up, there's no Iron Cross. The medals seem to be Australian military WWII theater ribbons plus a Totenkopf, so who knows? Most likely a Commonwealth soldier, but it's weird to have Pacific service ribbons plus a Nazi trophy. I don't think it's a Totenkopf. I remember there was some debate on a Mad Max forum about it when trying to source it for a replica gun case. There was some belief that may also some sort of Australian military ornament prior to WW2. I was looking around for that source and it might more likely be a Prussian hussar's Totenkopf, because of it's size and missing jaw. The shakos worn by the hussars had a similar design to the emblem the Waffen SS, because a lot of them came from the German-Prussian junkers class, would use later in WW2. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Didn't we have a conversation in this very thread about whether or not that medal was Aussie or German? I thought we did, but I can't seem to find the post.
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So I finished all the Mad Max films for the first time with Beyond Thunderdome last night. It was... well, pretty poo poo overall honestly. The first 45 minutes were pretty good I guess, but man people are right with the movie just turning to poo poo once he meets the tribe of kids. However that really isn't the sole reason the movie was a let down. One of the biggest things that disappointed me was the weird way the action veered straight into a cartoony style. It was really jarring how much cartoony slapstick style action and fighting there was. Like the whole of Ironman's character for example (that part where Scrooloos or whatever kept hitting him with the frying pan...and how he survived the train ramming his car, and his flip off scene at the end....just yikes). Also, the lack of vehicle stuff was a disappointed, I almost thought there would be no vehicle action, but then there was the big chase scene at the end, but even that was disappointing since Max & Co. were on a train instead of a car and the action wasn't really very fun or interesting compared to the stuff in the first two films. One last thing -- why the gently caress bring back the dude who played the pilot in 2 to play an almost-but-not the same character? Just really weird. One thing I must also mention though is how stupid the ending was, in the sense that the small group of kids that Max took to bartertown ended up apparently settling into the wasteland of Sydney and starting a new life. How in the gently caress is living in the dust covered, dirty, and dry Sydney wasteland preferable to the comfortable, isolated water oasis that the kids started in? And that Savannah character telling the story about how Max sacrificed to bring them there as if he led them to a better life. I'm pretty sure you would have been 1000x better off back in the oasis, but whatever crazy lady. I dunno, there's a bunch more I could complain about but I'll just leave it at that. So yeah, Mad Max 2 was the only really good movie of the three in my opinion. The first film had it's merits and wasn't bad at all, and like I said, 3 wasn't all terrible, it started off with a good amount of potential but really just poo poo it away after Max's exile. A shame. But The Road Warrior was just a classic action film through and through and a delight. Anyway, I'm super hyped for Fury Road, hell it might end up the best loving movie in the series. Kind of a rare situation where the reboot/revival of a film franchise has the potential to be even better than the originals, in my opinion. The trailer makes it look amazing. One question, is Fury Road set timeline-wise between Mad Max 1 and 2? He still has the Interceptor so it has to be set before 2, right? Damo fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Unless they've said otherwise somewhere, Fury Road isn't connected with the storyline of the first three Mad Max films at all.
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All that was ever said is that it's after the societal collapse of Mad Max but before Road Warrior. But even this was a long time ago compared to this incarnation of the movie. The exact year/etc. is kept vague intentionally and details purposely left out/different to maintain the legendary nature of Max in the setting like they did in Thunderdome. The Wiki says it takes place shortly after Thunderdome but I doubt a really solid placement was intended either way. I would literally explode with excitement if Tina Turner somehow cameo'd though holy poo poo.
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I'm still baffled by Roger Ebert's claim that Thunderdome is the best one. Damo posted:One question, is Fury Road set timeline-wise between Mad Max 1 and 2? He still has the Interceptor so it has to be set before 2, right?
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david_a posted:I'm still baffled by Roger Ebert's claim that Thunderdome is the best one. Roger Ebert loved Spielberg-style sap and hated movies that were relentlessly bleak and uncomfortable (see: hating Blue Velvet). Combine that with the fact that he was a huge fanboy for comic book science fiction and it's really not too surprising.
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Also Tina Turner amazing. In his later reviews he's much more clear when he loves a movie because it's cheesy as hell but the female lead is awesome. Honestly though Thunderdome is a lot of fun, and if someone is more into lighter adventure stuff especially I can totally see them finding it to be the best. And Thunderdome has a lot of good in it even if the middle/ending get kind of muddled (when the skull guy is like "THERE'S NO PLAN!!" after the train pulls out I don't think he was lying). Regardless, overall, Road Warrior has a 100% critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes which makes sense to me because it's a perfect movie. EDIT: For anyone curious Mad Max has a 95%, Thunderdome an 81%.
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Neo Rasa posted:(when the skull guy is like "THERE'S NO PLAN!!" after the train pulls out I don't think he was lying). Actually, that was Pigkiller, not Scrooloose, and the line was "Plan?! There ain't no plan!!" (I've seen Thunderdome too many times).
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Neo Rasa posted:Regardless, overall, Road Warrior has a 100% critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes which makes sense to me because it's a perfect movie. You know, I don't always agree with Tomatometer scores but that's about how I'd rate them. e: I was looking up the actors who were in Mad Max 2 just out of curiosity, and Jesus loving poo poo I think that movie is cursed. The only person to come out of it with any kind of successful career that wasn't derailed by batshit insanity or horrible, slow death (the actress for the Captain's Girl died at 37 of adrenal cancer) was Vernon Wells. SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Does anyone know any details about the various gangs in this? The little bits I've found gave the impression of multiple warring tribes, I'm assuming all bent on obtaining something either Max or Furiosa have. Are they supposed to be subsets of a larger unified group or will we have multiple factions killing each other to try to get to the MacGuffin? I remember someone mentioning the Bullet Farmers as the guys who either have a lot of guns or are capable of making their own, but I'm still unclear if they're an independent group or something closer to the Gayboy Berserkers. Edit: Nevermind, found the link here. Makes it sound like they're not much friendlier to each other than to Max and company. Also, the captives on the vehicles are referred to as 'blood bags' in the concept art, which is pretty rad and makes sense why they're tattooing Max's blood type onto his back in the trailer. Wild T fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Just based on the trailer and the character names, I would guess everyone is trying to get the "brides," the young women in the white clothes. I can't say for certain, but I think there are some alternate takes in the Tina Turner video for Beyond Thunderdome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq4aOaDXIfY Armyman25 fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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