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Dec 10, 2005
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JBP posted:

The red sword rating is generally more important than the level rating. I've swanned into so many missions like "yeah I got this" and then had to run around like a psycho trying to collect my spirit animal and then use a branch to get the gently caress out.
Pretty sure the swords are a indication of AI aggression. You can see it somewhat in player spirits. One sword and they might take a basic slash at you now and then. At five they'll use items and punish the poo poo out of the slightest opening.

The enemies seem to bust out their unblockables and vary up their general moveset more at higher ratings I've found.

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Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

JBP posted:

Kind of sucks that some very cool abilities are getting modified because of PvP.

They need to careful with this, modying/nerfing for some garbage rear end second thought PvP mode is a terrible loving idea.

TastyAvocado
Dec 9, 2009

poptart_fairy posted:

Tweaked my build a bit to use a mix of Kingo and Warrior of the East with an Odachi and I'm having a better time of it, but playing catch-up with my gear is awful. I'm having dreadful luck with the POTD revenants - not seen anything higher than level 162 drop, let alone weapons with +1/2/3, etc. My damage stinks as a result.

Revenants can't drop +x equipment.

Guw
Jan 10, 2013

Did they nerf sloth? Saw it only lasted about a second on one of the new enemies. Haven't tested on older ones but figured they finally nerfed it.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
^^^ That would suck if true, I just bought the full compliment of Sloth Talismans because they're one of the only debuffs I regularly used.

Every rev I fight seems to have a full Divine set of.................. Red Demon Armor :argh: I refuse to equip any piece of that armor on principle alone. I did luck into a Divine dual swords with Lightning, as well as a Divine Fire kusarigama so that's fun.

I did notice I seem to be having more luck bashing through blocking enemies' ki bars in the DLC, can't tell if it's an actual change from before the patch tho.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guw posted:

Did they nerf sloth? Saw it only lasted about a second on one of the new enemies. Haven't tested on older ones but figured they finally nerfed it.

They may have shortened its duration slightly, but I'm still getting my usual mileage out of it. Then again, I am running an onmyo specialist with almost 700 Magic Power.

Speaking of, I just Crushed Masamune. Dang, that was satisfying.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
What do you guys think about the Odachi? I'm not real impressed with it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Crushed Maria. I used Sloth to do it, but even so, it wasn't easy. She's got a remarkable amount of stamina for the sort of boss she is, even under the effect of Lifeseal.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

What do you guys think about the Odachi? I'm not real impressed with it.

It's a lot of fun for hit trading and grapple/sneak attacks. Looks pretty cool as well, though I'm really struggling to use it effectively against bosses - I haven't been able to upgrade an Odachi yet though, so it's probably an issue of being too slow for its damage output at the moment.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
Duration of magic effects scales with your magic, so it's possible they nerfed the base amount and increased scaling to balance it out a bit.

I can't wait to play this after finals next week.

InfinityComplex
Feb 5, 2011

Nothing better than swinging around a little girl like a flail.

Darth Walrus posted:

Crushed Maria. I used Sloth to do it, but even so, it wasn't easy. She's got a remarkable amount of stamina for the sort of boss she is, even under the effect of Lifeseal.

From what I can tell, her main gimmick is that once she's in living weapon you can't ever Ki break her. Which annoys the hell out of me.

I hope I'm proved wrong and someone Ki broke her while she had living weapon up.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

InfinityComplex posted:

From what I can tell, her main gimmick is that once she's in living weapon you can't ever Ki break her. Which annoys the hell out of me.

I hope I'm proved wrong and someone Ki broke her while she had living weapon up.

Yeah, that was me. It's actually the only way to get her out of Living Weapon mode. Between her and Kelley, European agents have some nasty, nasty toys.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Way of the Demon is loving brutal. The enemies have random affixes like speed boosts and poo poo on them. Game is hard.

Guw
Jan 10, 2013

Guw posted:

Did they nerf sloth? Saw it only lasted about a second on one of the new enemies. Haven't tested on older ones but figured they finally nerfed it.

I was completely wrong on this apparently. Looks like it's normal.

Is it normal to be, like, 2-shot by the centipede guy? Am I underleveled at 115 or did I just forget how to play?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Guw posted:

I was completely wrong on this apparently. Looks like it's normal.

Is it normal to be, like, 2-shot by the centipede guy? Am I underleveled at 115 or did I just forget how to play?

Centipede guy is strong as hell. What armour and poo poo are you rocking? Getting two shot in light or medium wouldn't surprise me.

Guw
Jan 10, 2013

Pretty light armor (under 30%). drat.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Run like the wind buddy. He closes gaps really fast but you can dodge a lot of his poo poo. He is kind of relentless though and that's what I found most difficult.

Guw
Jan 10, 2013

Almost got him with liberal use of wind talismans. Man, I missed this game.

InfinityComplex
Feb 5, 2011

Nothing better than swinging around a little girl like a flail.

Darth Walrus posted:

Yeah, that was me. It's actually the only way to get her out of Living Weapon mode. Between her and Kelley, European agents have some nasty, nasty toys.

So, I have recently learned that there's a way to cheese her. And that's with bullets. She's weak to headshots in living weapon mode.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
Protip for those worm head guys: some of them will fight you as a regular human until they take some damage. While they do this, their stamina drains normally but because they're yokai it doesn't regen. SO, if you just dodge and block them for a while you can get a free big punish on them while they're out of stamina to start the encounter.

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


I got torn the gently caress up by centipede guy like twenty times before I almost got him. After a few more almosts I summoned and it was still close. Getting caught by some of those combos is enough to kill outright if they all connect.

I like the fight though. It's frustrating getting basically one-shot by the same move after making good progress, but each part is blockable. A summon tanking won't last long though so it's really about playing volleyball with him.

I almost posted last night that the new weapon type is my loving jam but I've drifted back to my trusty raikiri. This game at 60FPS after horizon and DS3 DLC is beautiful to play and I've been parrying like a boss.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I just can't read the Centipede read's moves. I'm dreading facing him on POTS and POTD.

Also, finally got my gear back up to a decent level - building around the Unrivaled Warrior set, as I'm in love with the Odachi. Tome is maxed out from all my splurging though, something I don't know how to feel about. :v:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Revisited Shigezane for the Crusher badge, and wow, he really does not like onmyo builds. His early attacks are telegraphed and surprisingly short-ranged, making them easy to bait and dodge, and once I'd set up the necessary (Sloth, Weakness, and Confusion, with Fire and Water as the ingredients for maximum pain), I brought him down in a single long, stance-dancing combo. Unfortunately, I lost the video, but I can try replicating it on his sub-mission if y'all wanna see.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Do it without magic!

And ha, just noticed Oni pull a :saddowns: face when you break their horns.

E; pvp is awful but I'm having tons of fun regardless.

E2; Tome has a full set of her own cobat and idle noises, including a unique death squeal during sepku. That's a mad level of detail.

poptart_fairy fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 4, 2017

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.
Can you morph into Okatsu (sp?) Or just the magic lady?

KingShiro
Jan 10, 2008

EH?!?!?!
Yeah, Okatsu costs 100k glory though.

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc
I started a new character because I was bored with my skill/magic build and wanted to start from scratch rather than respec and farm up new gear. The odachi is really not bad on NG once you learn it's movesets and timing. The high stance quick attack into low stance heavy attack combo owns human sized opponents. I had a little trouble with yokai until I just learned to use low stance quick attacks on them , it smashes horns pretty easily.

Magus42
Jan 12, 2007

Oh no you di'n't
What's this about smashing/breaking horns? :confused:

SectumSempra
Jun 22, 2011

Bi-Han now we've got Bad Blood

Magus42 posted:

What's this about smashing/breaking horns? :confused:

When you destroy some oni horns (Onryoki or however you spell first boss) they get stamina drain and fall

If you hit cyclops in eye, they get stunned

if you shoot or hit the Oni enemy's with stones in their back with the matching element a few times they explode.

Magus42
Jan 12, 2007

Oh no you di'n't

SectumSempra posted:

When you destroy some oni horns (Onryoki or however you spell first boss) they get stamina drain and fall

Oooh, that explains a bit... every now and then I'd hit one with a kunai or such and drop it to the ground instantly; I must be hitting the horns just right.

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.
Since the DLC this game has turned into massive "Get the shinies and make numbers bigger" and I love it.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

KingShiro posted:

Yeah, Okatsu costs 100k glory though.

PVP pisses glory at you if you can tolerate it. I walked away with about 90k last night after eight matches - nearly earned the "win eight times in a row" title, if not for the last pair of assholes using the Reddit heavy armour/dual sword bladestorm build. :argh:

Magus42
Jan 12, 2007

Oh no you di'n't
Do sloth and lightning stack? I managed to apply both to one of the big guys with the really long tongues and he felt even slower, but I'm not sure...

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

poptart_fairy posted:

PVP pisses glory at you if you can tolerate it. I walked away with about 90k last night after eight matches - nearly earned the "win eight times in a row" title, if not for the last pair of assholes using the Reddit heavy armour/dual sword bladestorm build. :argh:

Do a lot of people wear tatenashi because I imagine that makes pvp a gently caress this scenario.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
I wouldn't say a "lot", but if they're wearing it then they're going to be using a specific build. Kinda why I'm so annoyed Shadow Haze got nerfed but that spin left untouched.

STANKBALLS TASTYLEGS
Oct 12, 2012

my hot take: dlc is really good itself, the pvp was a bad idea over all. hopefully they realise that and don't actually do more nerfs.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Occasionally you get some dorks which makes PVP fun, at least. Points to the guy for successfully pulling off the same technique I use against Tachibana at the start of round two. :v:

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.
Wait, are they nerfing things for PvP? That would be a giant mistake.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

poptart_fairy posted:

Occasionally you get some dorks which makes PVP fun, at least. Points to the guy for successfully pulling off the same technique I use against Tachibana at the start of round two. :v:

This linked video gave me a chuckle.

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poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Ahaha, I have to remember that one. :haw:

I hope they let you display Agryo/Ugryo titles like PVP ones in the future.

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