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Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut
Trash Boat, your first four are all great! Tough choice, but I'll give you Princess Mononoke. One of my all-time favorites.

So I watched Wall Street. I'd forgotten this was an Oliver Stone film. I've generally like Stone's films, though I try to ignore how he made a hero out of the comically unethical child molester Jim Garrison. I pretty much got what I expected here. This was a muckraking rant of a film that struck back at the greed of the Reagan era. Michael Douglas's famous speech was a lot earlier in the movie than I expected, and it was a weird mix of cynicism and good points. I found it kind of odd that they had Martin and Charlie Sheen playing father and son, but I always like to see Martin. I liked it when movies go into detail on a subject I'm not familiar with, in this case financial markets. So there was a lot of chasing after intel and planning when to buy and sell, and they made it exciting.

The downside is I'm not really sure what we're supposed to take away from this movie. Is the corruption a feature inherent to the way Wall Street is run, or is it the fault of greedy men like Gekko? He and Bud rationalize their actions as "everybody does it," and I've long thought the crime of insider trading is almost contradictory, as the only way to win at the stock market is to know more than others. But then you have Hal Holbrook as the older broker who believes in a classical idea of investing as a way of building businesses and creating jobs. He seems out of place in the cutthroat firm, but he's sort of vindicated by Bud's change of heart. I'm not sure I really bought that- Bud had been pretty amoral up until then, and he suddenly changes because his father's company is on the line? All right, he was lied to, but then he turns to the rival broker for help, who doesn't seem much different than Gekko. He also uses the exact same tactics to get his way, so has he really changed or is he just looking out for his own family? Even the mafia does that. I always had a problem with the end of Trading Places, where Eddie Murphy and Dan Akroyd use some pretty shady tactics to bankrupt the Dukes and suck in a number of other brokers who weren't involved in their manipulation. This film has a similarly muddled ending, yet it's not just a comedy but a movie with a message. What is the message, though? Gekko goes to jail, and Bud takes his punishment as well, so justice is restored? But the earlier scenes made it clear that corruption is built into the Wall Street trading system. As a melodrama about crime and corruption and a boy's difficult relationship with his father it works, but as a polemic against a parasitic industry it pulls its punches by making Gekko too much of a singular villain. Thirty years later the movie seems almost quaint. Oh, yeah, there's a sequel.

Rating: 3/4

Also while waiting I watched King Kong (I wanted to hurry up and see this one because Loose Canon is doing an episode on it soon- it's a good show that people here would probably enjoy). There's a lot to talk about here. Let's start with the pure craftsmanship. The effects are both good and bad. The stop motion itself is very impressive, even by modern standards- I particularly like the way Kong's fur ripples. Likewise, the scenes of him fighting dinosaurs are impressive. Where the effects break is when they try to integrate human actors with the monsters. Generally this is done by having them stand in front of a screen with a film projecting the monsters and the humans try to react like it's really there. I've said several times that I don't like rear projection, and it's still true. Maybe for people in the thirties this looked great, but I have trouble imagining anyone being fooled by it. It's just so obvious that the monsters aren't real. There's a scene where a bunch of people are sitting on a log that Kong is supposed to be shaking, but I can tell it's a 2D image and there's a stage hand or a spring or something under the log. People will probably tell me I'm being unfair, and maybe I am, but I can't help but see it as fake. Again, Harryhausen's stop motion is excellent, but the less it interacts with humans, the better.

The story is pretty good, and different than I expected. The first few minutes are a bit painful, as it's very much "This is my character and what I'm doing, and this is your character and what you're doing." It's like the opening number of a musical, where everyone sings about their wants to set the stage, but that doesn't work in regular dialogue. I thought the misogyny of most of the characters was sketched in a realistic way- Denham looked down on women and didn't want anything to do with them, and most of the other characters are the same. Denham is manipulative but subtle enough that Ann doesn't realize what's going on, or maybe she's just too naive to notice a pretty blatant set-up. I was less convinced by Driscoll's interactions with Ann- "Say, I guess I love you." A romance was not needed, and Driscoll would have acted the same way even if he hadn't been "in love." I wonder if Denham's early complaints about how he comes up with exciting ideas for movies and the executives insist on putting in a love story was a bit of metacommentary. The movie properly started on the island, and I was surprised by how much of it was set there. The famous New York scenes only took up twenty minutes (incidentally, calling Kong "the eighth wonder of the world" is stupid- the seven wonders were technological achievements, not natural wonders). There were a lot of dinosaurs on this island, and I have no intention of judging them for scientific accuracy- I'm sure they were based on cutting edge science at the time. I'm somewhat skeptical of how this island was kept a secret for so long- something about a trading ship captain gave Denham a map? Eh, it was the 30's, so I guess it's possible an island in the Pacific could have stayed hidden. Less likely that it could have supported this many dinosaurs, plus how did they get there in the first place? Whatever, I said I'd let the science slide. Then nearly everyone is killed, but Denham manages to capture Kong and goes straight into exploitation mode. So we get our big ending, where Ann is carried up the Empire State Building and Kong gets killed by airplanes. It's impressive animation, and Denham gets the last word. He also manages to get away scot free, despite being the clear villain of the piece (surprised the Hays Code allowed that- maybe they missed it, and thought Kong was the villain, just like Frankenstein and his monster). The theme of a man exploiting women and nature is clear and hits hard.

So let's talk about racism. I don't know if Kong himself is a metaphor for black people. There's a great scene in Inglorious Basterds that lays out the similarities, but it doesn't quite fit for me. I can't really say why, exactly. I guess it has to do with his relationship with the people on the island. He's a god to them, and they're black, so how can he also be a black person? Maybe I'm wrong here. It does sort of fit the idea of white people's fear of slave revolts, or in the 30's integration. If we don't hold them down, then they'll rise up against us, but it was our own fault for bringing them here? Something like that. The bigger problem with race is the islanders. They live out tons of stereotypes, with their weird dancing and chanting and their pagan religions and human sacrifices. I think the filmmakers were actually trying to be sympathetic by showing Denham coldly exploiting them and their land, but couldn't help throw in a few stereotypes despite it (kind of like the Jim Crows in Dumbo). But I can't overlook the fact that they offer to trade six of their women for Ann, and when that fails kidnap her in the middle of the night. The scary black man taking the white woman away is a vicious slander that led to hundreds, if not thousands, of people being lynched. I watched this movie the day after someone shot up a black church in my hometown because "you rape our women." The rest of the movie was sympathetic to the islanders as victims of coded colonization by Denham, but the "taking our woman" bit is almost Birth of a Nation level racism, and I can't forgive it.

Rating: 3.5/4

101. Spartacus- In the end, aren't we all Spartacus? Yeah, I know how this one ends, but that's basically it. Also, I think it's popular among labor organizers.

102. Enchanted- I love Disney movies, but I also know their problems. I think this must have come out during the period when I was too old to be in Disney's target audience and too young to admit I still liked these sorts of movies without being embarrassed.

103. Judgment at Nuremberg- I had never heard about this until Slacktivist mentioned it. Sounds interesting.

107. Trois Couleurs: Blanc- I liked the first one, and I want to see where it goes next.

110. Ben-Hur- There's, like, chariots and stuff?

111. The Great Escape- There's some guys in a Nazi prison, and some of them escape. Spoilers!

112. The Bourne Ultimatum- I like this series- ready to finish it off (I doubt "Legacy" is worth my time).

114. The Blues Brothers- I was shamed on this one recently- a friend of mine said she was surprised her son half my age hadn't seen it, and shocked that I hadn't either. There are only a few SNL movies worth tracking down, and I've seen both Wayne's Worlds, so...

115. Gojira- My brother watched a lot of Godzilla movies when we were kids, so I've seen a bunch of pieces, though I'm not sure I've ever seen one straight through (except for the Matthew Broderick one, which I don't think is near as bad as its reputation). However, I am aware that the original is much darker than the camp-fest the series became.

116. Boogie Nights- Uh, porn is bad. You shouldn't watch porn, m'kay?

Okay, tell me what I’m watching!

Shame relieved: The Godfather: 3.5/4, The Godfather Part II: 4/4, Taxi Driver: 4/4, Casablanca: 4/4, Duck Soup: 2/4, Pulp Fiction: 4/4, Barton Fink: 3.5/4, Annie Hall:3/4, Rashomon: 4/4, Blade Runner: 3.5/4, Chinatown: 4/4, Nashville: 3.5/4, Goodfellas: 4/4, The Seven Samurai: 4/4, Superman: 2/4, The Exorcist: 3/4, A Face in the Crowd: 3.5/4, The Seventh Seal: 2.5/4, Treasure of the Sierra Madre: 3.5/4, Apocalypse Now: 4/4, 2001: A Space Odyssey: 2.5/4, The Deer Hunter: 3/4, Schindler's List: 4/4, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari: 3/4, Young Frankenstein: 3.5/4, Yojimbo: 3.5/4, Brazil: 3.5/4, Hamlet: 4/4, The Aviator: 4/4, Rocky: 3.5/4, Gandhi: 3.5/4, City Lights: 4/4, Battleship Potemkin: 3.5/4, Predator: 3/4, Easy Rider: 1.5/4, Platoon: 3.5/4, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: 4/4, Get Carter: 3.5/4, Full Metal Jacket: 4/4, My Dinner with Andre: 4/4, Lethal Weapon: 3/4, 3 Women: 4/4, Ikiru: 4/4, The Maltese Falcon: 2.5/4, Midnight Cowboy: 3/4, Gattaca: 4/4, Gone with the Wind: 3/4, Jaws: 4/4, The Bicycle Thief: 3/4, Sophie's Choice: 2/4, On the Waterfront: 4/4, North by Northwest: 3.5/4, Stagecoach: 3.5/4, E.T.: 2/4, Nosferatu: 4/4, Lawrence of Arabia: 4/4, Dirty Harry: 1/4, Vertigo: 3.5/4, Rebecca: 4/4, The Pink Panther: 3/4, Children of Men: 4/4, Wings of Desire: 3/4, Metropolis: 3.5/4, Born on the Fourth of July: 4/4, The Bridge on the River Kwai: 3.5/4, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: 4/4, Being John Malkovich: 3/4, Adaptation: 4/4, Bonnie and Clyde: 4/4, Goldfinger: 3/4, A Streetcar Named Desire: 4/4, Dog Day Afternoon: 3.5/4, Leon: The Professional: 4/4, 8 1/2: 3/4, Mulholland Drive: 4/4, 12 Angry Men: 4/4, Safety Last: 3.5/4, Dogville: 4/4, The Rapture: 2/4, Blue Velvet: 3/4, Irreversible: 4/4, Airplane!: 3.5/4, Tokyo Story: 2.5/4, Big Trouble in Little China: 3.5/4, American Psycho: 3.5/4, Dr. Zhivago: 3/4, Leaving Las Vegas:4/4, The Bourne Identity: 4/4, Out of Africa: 3/4, The Usual Suspects: 3/4, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang: 4/4, Rain Man: 3.5/4, The Lost Weekend: 3.5/4, Ratatouille: 3/4, City of God: 4/4, Ed Wood: 4/4, Top Gun: 2.5/4, Trois Couleurs: Bleu: 3.5/4, The Hidden Fortess: 3/4, First Blood: 4/4, The Ten Commandments:3.5/4, Patton: 3.5/4, The Bourne Supremacy:3.5/4, King Lear (1983): 2.5/4, Repo Man: 2.5/4, King Kong: 3.5/4, Wall Street: 3/4

Jurgan fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jul 4, 2015

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marioinblack
Sep 21, 2007

Number 1 Bullshit

Jurgan posted:

114. The Blues Brothers- I was shamed on this one recently- a friend of mine said she was surprised her son half my age hadn't seen it, and shocked that I hadn't either. There are only a few SNL movies worth tracking down, and I've seen both Wayne's Worlds, so...

It's a silly and very fun film.


Million Dollar Baby was a bit better than I expected. I guess it can be easy to forget that Clint Eastwood is a more than capable director. I thought the characters were really well built and were the driving force of this movie. Eastwood's character was probably the weakest toward the beginning, but I think he did a good job showing the cracks and developing himself even though. I also liked the theme of the movie. Sometimes it's not about success as much as it is about getting the shot, win or lose. Also that ref sucked, you have to keep an eye on the fighter after she's already pulled cheap poo poo and you took a point from her.


New List:

1. The Maltese Falcon - Moving this slot from Neo-Noir to Noir.

2. Three Colors: Red - Completing the trilogy.

3. The Searchers - I've not seen all that much from Mr. Wayne in my lifetime. I know this is universally considered his best.

4. The Hustler - I know it's supposed to be good!

5. Modern Times - Only imdb top 50 movie I haven't seen.

6. Her - I have nothing from the 2010s on here, and I've never seen a Spike Jonze film. Let's try it out.

7. Ikiru - More Kurosawa goodness.

Best Picture Bonanza (53/88)

8. The Last Emperor - A film that feels overlooked in a year that feels overlooked.

9. A Beautiful Mind - The most recent best picture I haven't seen.

10. The Apartment - I don't know much other than it's on Netflix.

Watched Count 119: Chinatown, 12 Angry Men, Gone With the Wind, Casablanca, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Godfather Part I, The Godfather Part II, Goodfellas, Do the Right Thing, A Clockwork Orange, Wall-E, Citizen Kane, Aliens, The Shawshank Redemption, Back to the Future, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, Dr. Strangelove, Raging Bull, Rear Window, The Green Mile, Braveheart, Apocalypse Now, Seven Samurai, The Great Escape, City of God, Vertigo, Blue Velvet, Ratatouille, All Quiet on the Western Front, Mulholland Dr., Sunset Blvd., Bridge on the River Kwai, Memento, Unforgiven, The Usual Suspects, Network, The Social Network, Psycho, Black Swan, The Professional (Leon), Duck Soup, Up, The Silence of the Lambs, The Hurt Locker, Animal Crackers, American Beauty, The Princess Bride, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, The Great Dictator, The King's Speech, American History X, Taxi Driver, The Philadelphia Story, Cars, Dial M for Murder, Amélie, Spirited Away, North by Northwest, Paths of Glory, Some Like it Hot, On the Waterfront, Platoon, Annie Hall, Patton, Harvey, Nikita, Yojimbo, How to Train Your Dragon, To Kill a Mockingbird, This is Spinal Tap, Fargo, Sin City, Wayne's World, A Streetcar Named Desire, Barton Fink, Slumdog Millionaire, No Country for Old Men, Rashomon, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Wild Strawberries, Rebecca, Dog Day Afternoon, The Departed, The Graduate, V for Vendetta, My Neighbor Totoro, E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial, City Lights, Life is Beautiful, Stand by Me, The Artist, Howl's Moving Castle, Good Will Hunting, Planet of the Apes, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 12 Years a Slave, The Intouchables, The Grapes of Wrath, Ben-Hur, Three Colors: Blue, Grave of the Fireflies, Argo, Oldboy, Bicycle Thieves, Wings, Kiki's Delivery Service, Sunrise, Lawrence of Arabia, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Rain Man, Three Colors: White, High Noon, The Sound of Music, The Deer Hunter, Kramer vs Kramer, Ran, L.A. Confidential, Million Dollar Baby

Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe
Marionblack, Ikiru is one of the rare perfect 10’s I’ve given out in this thread. Check it out.

The deck was stacked against Galaxy Quest for me. I have only the vaguest exposure to old school Star Trek, and this movie felt like it was meant to be enjoyed by a much younger version of me.

It was still a lot of fun, the cast was quite charming, and the effects didn’t need to be nearly as good as they were. Didn’t get me laughing out loud, or get me very much engaged, but it was pleasant and enjoyable.

Good times, not much else to say about it.

8/10


1. First Blood - Yup, never seen any of them old Rambo flix.

2. Strangers on a Train – Classic Hitchcock, this will get me closer to not feeling totally inept when it comes to him.

3. Arsenic and Old Lace - I need some proper Cary Grant exposure.

4. Poolhouse Junkies - Looks like fun.

5. *NEW* Citizenfour *NEW* - In general I tend to lean pretty hard on the side of "hero" as opposed to "traitor" when it comes to Snowden. Regardless, getting to watch this moment in history is something worthwhile in my mind. I've also heard it's just a very well done documentary.

6. The Raid - Have heard countless recommendations to check this one out.

7. Kramer vs. Kramer - Picked it for another poster, it looks good and is relevant to my profession. Probably worth a watch.

8. The Squid and the Whale - I like Eisenberg, but his performances have all felt somewhat similar. I've heard he's really good/different here.

9. Beasts Of The Southern Wild - All I know is that the kid is supposed to be great.

10. Ashes and Diamonds - There was some kind of list of famous director's favorite movies. A lot of directors I liked listed this and I had never heard of it. Let's go!

107 Total De-Shamed!

Yojimbo 7.5/10, Aliens 6.5/10, Brazil 8/10, Cool Hand Luke 9.5/10, 28 Days Later 6/10, Predator 8.5/10, Blade Runner 7.5/10,Crimes and Misdemeanors 9/10, Vertigo 7/10, Being There 7.5/10, Psycho 10/10, Apocalypse Now 7.5/10, Citizen Kane 8.5/10, Dr. Strangelove 7/10, Close Encounters of the Third Kind 8.5/10, The Bicycle Thief 7/10, Raging Bull 8/10, Ikiru 10/10, Terminator 2: Judgement Day 7/10, The Night of the Hunter 8.5/10 How to Train Your Dragon 6.5/10, There Will Be Blood 8/10, Manhattan 7/10, Rashomon 8.5/10, Unforgiven 8.5/10 The Third Man 9.5/10, Requiem For A Dream 4/10, Charade 5.5/10, Sunset Blvd. 8/10 , Badlands 6.5/10, Dead Man 8.5/10, On The Waterfront 9/10, Mad Max 6/10, Singin' In The Rain 9.5/10, Sleeper 7.5/10, Enter The Dragon 6.5/10, The Hustler 8/10 , The Town 9/10, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 5.5/10, Boogie Nights 7.5/10, Hanna 8.5/10, The Conversation 7.5/10, Serpico 8/10, Hoop Dreams 9/10, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind 8/10, Blood Simple 7.5/10, Roman Holiday 8.5/10, Miller's Crossing 8/10, M 7.5/10, Moonrise Kingdom 6.5/10, Rope 7/10, Tiny Furniture 1/10, On The Town 5.5/10, Gosford Park 5.5/10, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes, 8.5/10, City Lights 8.5/10, The Exorcist 6.5/10, California Split 7/10, Aguirre, The Wrath Of God 8/10, Following 8/10, The General 10/10, Barton Fink 8.5/10, Tombstone 8/10, The Hudsucker Proxy 9/10, Love Actually 6.5, La Dolce Vita 7/10, Chop Shop 9.5/10, Duck Soup 6/10, When Harry Met Sally 8/10, Tokyo Story 7/10, Kelly's Heroes 8/10, The Thing 8.5/10, Lost In Translation 9.5/10, Anchorman 6.5/10, Mulholland Dr. 8.5/10, Rebecca9/10, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans 7/10, Steamboat Bill Jr. 9/10, Double Indemnity 9/10, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum 6.5/10, The Man Who Wasn't There 8.10, Synecdoche, NY 10/10 , Leaving Las Vegas 9/10, The Hidden Fortress 8.5/10, Magnificent Seven 8/10, Dear Zachary -/10, The Fly 9/10, Time Bandits 6/10, Before Sunrise 6.5, The Buddy Holly Story 7/10, Pleasantville 7/10, The Rules of the Game 6/10, Senna 7.5/10, Kiki's Delivery Service 8/10, Gojira 9/10, The Blues Brothers 5/10, Notorious 7/10, Little Shop of Horrors 9/10 , The Last Starfighter 7/10, Rebel Without A Cause 8.5/10, Sherlock Jr. 7.5/10, Intolerable Cruelty, 9/10, The Ladykillers 9/10, Spring Breakers 7.5/10, Touch of Evil 8/10, The Purple Rose of Cairo, 9/10, My Cousin Vinny 7/10, Galaxy Quest 8/10

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Chili posted:

I think it's OK to set up a standard for a film being "good" or "bad", so long as there is a fitting criteria for those terms.

To me, a film's goodness or badness is based almost entirely on the question of "Does the film accomplish its goal?" Of course, the answer to that question can be subjective but how the viewer answers that question can safely categorize a film into either box for them.

I'm not philosophically opposed to a good vs. bad duality or anything like that but it seems like it's a hindrance for you so that's why I suggested that. Of course it's also an issue because viewers have wildly different viewpoints as to what constitutes "fitting criteria." A films goals (or a filmmakers goals) is something anyone would be hard-pressed to determine on a film to film basis. Some directors refuse to even explain what they were trying to do.

A huge amount of films have been created just to make $$$. A huge amount of films you'll find disagreement as to what the goal was. One example off the top of my head would be Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956). Is it a warning on McCarthyism, communism or conformity or all of the above? According to a producer it was none of above. :wtf: is the goal?

Chili posted:

And maybe that's what it comes down, a film that accomplishes its goal is, at the end of the day, a truly remarkable thing. When you think of all of the moving parts that go into a film, how many people are involved, and the amount of resources and time that must be committed it's astonishing that we get as many good films as we do. So much has to go right for a film to work and only a few things have to go wrong for it to fall apart.

Yea, that's why I feel it's too bad no one can truly know how much work goes into every great film. Just how many hours did this editor/director/writer put into it etc.? The ending credits don't say.

Someone once said that some great films hit you like a bullet and only need to be watched once. Other films sit with you for months and necessitate more viewings.

Chili posted:

But did I actually enjoy the film? I don't know, I think I'll probably want to watch it again someday, and maybe I'll appreciate it more, but that's as far as I'll go for now.

So yes, when it comes to sorting out feelings of a film, there is certainly more to it than "good" and "bad" but if you try to go much further than that you wind up with a longwinded post by someone who doesn't really understand much about his own taste, feelings, or cinema in general.

You're all welcome.

It does sound like you're a little unsure about your tastes. I can say that I didn't appreciate Touch of Evil too much. I will add My Cousin Vinny to my list shortly.

Jurgan posted:

Is the corruption a feature inherent to the way Wall Street is run, or is it the fault of greedy men like Gekko?

Bud had been pretty amoral up until then, and he suddenly changes because his father's company is on the line?

I think Stone likes finding the faults of both the systems/institutions and the personal failings of the people who comprise them. Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July, JFK all shine a light on different failures.

It became a personal thing because he felt like he'd been tricked into backstabbing his father. It didn't help that his father was sick in the hospital either. A Shakespearean tragedy brought to the 1980s pitting unions against corporate raiders.

Jurgan posted:

He and Bud rationalize their actions as "everybody does it," and I've long thought the crime of insider trading is almost contradictory, as the only way to win at the stock market is to know more than others.

Ethical issues that are hard to rationalize when examined today. There are a lot of people that see casino gaming as immoral but don't see the stock market as gambling. The markets aren't exactly a zero-sum game but it sure does help to have connections with millionaires and billionaires. To take an obvious example I didn't need inside information to know that NFLX was going to skyrocket in value over the last five years.

Jurgan posted:

...so has he really changed or is he just looking out for his own family?

They're kind of inextricably linked.

Jurgan posted:

What is the message, though? Gekko goes to jail, and Bud takes his punishment as well, so justice is restored?

There are different tiers of ethics and guys like Gekko were the most flagrant abusers. The problem with films like this is that there is pressure to make the "bad guy" lose so that's why that Gekko went to jail. A more common thing is the 1980s but if this took place today the authentic film would've ended with Gekko sipping a chocolate martini laughing while talking with some lobbyists and politicians and discussing how they can lower their tax rates more.

Zogo fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Jul 5, 2015

Chewy Bitems
Dec 25, 2012

PIIIISSSSSSSS!!!!
Chili, I'll refrain from giving you your most recent addition, so go with First Blood, as it is obviously an essential watch.

_____________________________

Ratedargh gave me Calvary.

Which was brilliant.

Beautiful, deep, and affecting, Calvary was brilliant. It could have been awkward, or even bad, given the positions that many (if not all) of the characters occupy in terms of Ireland's attitudes towards the Catholic Church and indeed the institution of the Catholic Church in Ireland itself, the excellent dialogue and acting really lifted the film to be something important, something really good. Really good.

My previous flim in this thread (Babadook) was one of the least I liked and I really massively trimmed down what I was planning to (and initially did) write about it, when I dislike a film my opinions are immediate and the only difficultly is filtering it down into the post. When I really like, or love, a film, it's much more difficult to write about and it takes much longer for my thoughts on it to fully form in my head, my habit of always writing these posts almost immediately after watching a film means I tend to write very little the more I like something... with Calvary I was tempted to stop after that first line.


My List Of Shame:

1 - The Host - South Korean monster movie. teenage love triangle featuring a monster based on the novel by Stephenie Meyer? [this reference is now old and even crapper]

2 - Achilles and the Tortoise - final film of Kitano's 'surrealist autobiographical trilogy'...[Catching up with Kitano 2/4]

3 - Samurai Rebellion - Know nothing about this, but it's directed by Masaki Kobayashi, Director of Harakiri, which I loved.

4 - Noah - Getting caught back up with Aronofsky. Heard conflicting reports about this...

5 - The Black Power Mixtape 1967-1975 - Not heard much about this, but a subject I find extremely interesting. [Documentary Slot]

6 - Silence - Long intrigued by this film,, now I need to catch it before the Scorsese version comes out next year...

7 - The Secret World of Arrietty - Missed this in the cinema and need to catch back up with Studio Ghibli's releases.

8 - Cars 2 - Last unseen Pixar film, wasn't keen on the first one, it can't be that bad, can it?

9 - Poltergeist - One of those films I've seen parodied/mimiced so much I never bothered to seek out the original.

10- In America - new - It was talked about a lot on its release but not heard much about this since, word was it was good. [Irish Film Slot]

Shame No More: [47] [top five] Psycho | The Third Man | The Long Goodbye | Harakiri | The Silence of the Lambs | Pi | Jaws | Panic Room | Black Swan | Star Trek II | The Brothers Bloom | Hugo | Badlands | Shame | LA Confidential | The Right Stuff | The Evil Dead | Hanna | The Master | The Untouchables | Glengarry Glen Ross | The Seventh Seal | The Apartment | The Player | Ronin | The Grand Budapest Hotel | Glory to the Filmmaker! | Frank | Dreams | Paths of Glory | Assault on Precinct 13 | Haywire | Escape From New York | 13 Assassins | A Prophet | Stand By Me | Blackfish | Pumping Iron | The Thin Blue Line | It's A Wonderful Life | What Richard Did | The Bicycle Theives | Youth of the Beast | Once Upon A Time In The West | The Raid: Redemption | The Babadook | Calvary

Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe

Chewy Bitems posted:

Chili, I'll refrain from giving you your most recent addition, so go with First Blood, as it is obviously an essential watch.

Will do, any word on if the "Ultimate Uncut Edition" is the way to go? That's the one I'm seeing floating around.

Chewy Bitems
Dec 25, 2012

PIIIISSSSSSSS!!!!

Chili posted:

Will do, any word on if the "Ultimate Uncut Edition" is the way to go? That's the one I'm seeing floating around.
Thankfully it seems to be the full original version of the film, the ultimate uncut part relating to that particular BluRay release of all the Rambo films. Everything I've checked online suggests no edits to the original film though, so seems like a safe version to watch.

Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe
Hey Bestie! Thanks for Rambo, it was awesome, go watch The Host, which is also awesome.

I really dug Rambo and having only seen the most recent one it was glaringly obvious how Jon Rambo went the way of John McClane or vice versa, don’t remember which new flick came first.

First Blood works so well because of its scale. We care deeply about Rambo not because he’s a superhero but because beneath his combat prowess there’s a frightened little man just trying to survive.

There’s not a whole lot to say here that isn’t noticeable with a cursory glance. The film is wonderful. It’s poignant, the action is top notch, and it rises above a popcorn flick by really giving you something to think about. I can’t imagine how much more of a punch this film packed when it was first released. As it stands now, it was almost more of a relic of the past. I had always known that Vietnam vets were treated pretty poorly, but I didn’t know it was such an issue that a big budget film would highlight it in such a way. Rambo is definitely something that has piqued my interest in the subject.

I do wonder how the Rambo franchise moved towards what the most recent release put forth. I’ll probably slowly add the other films to the list as I find myself wishing to return to the franchise.

9/10



1. *NEW* Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior *NEW* - I saw the first one 'cos of this thread. Pretty much hated it. I saw Fury Road and loved the crap out of it and am now more willing to believe that there's good stuff in this franchise.

2. Strangers on a Train – Classic Hitchcock, this will get me closer to not feeling totally inept when it comes to him.

3. Arsenic and Old Lace - I need some proper Cary Grant exposure.

4. Poolhouse Junkies :siren: List veteran as of Nov 6, 2013, poor lil' feller :siren: - Looks like fun.

5. Citizenfour - In general I tend to lean pretty hard on the side of "hero" as opposed to "traitor" when it comes to Snowden. Regardless, getting to watch this moment in history is something worthwhile in my mind. I've also heard it's just a very well done documentary.

6. The Raid - Have heard countless recommendations to check this one out.

7. Kramer vs. Kramer - Picked it for another poster, it looks good and is relevant to my profession. Probably worth a watch.

8. The Squid and the Whale - I like Eisenberg, but his performances have all felt somewhat similar. I've heard he's really good/different here.

9. Beasts Of The Southern Wild - All I know is that the kid is supposed to be great.

10. Ashes and Diamonds - There was some kind of list of famous director's favorite movies. A lot of directors I liked listed this and I had never heard of it. Let's go!

108 Total De-Shamed!

Yojimbo 7.5/10, Aliens 6.5/10, Brazil 8/10, Cool Hand Luke 9.5/10, 28 Days Later 6/10, Predator 8.5/10, Blade Runner 7.5/10,Crimes and Misdemeanors 9/10, Vertigo 7/10, Being There 7.5/10, Psycho 10/10, Apocalypse Now 7.5/10, Citizen Kane 8.5/10, Dr. Strangelove 7/10, Close Encounters of the Third Kind 8.5/10, The Bicycle Thief 7/10, Raging Bull 8/10, Ikiru 10/10, Terminator 2: Judgement Day 7/10, The Night of the Hunter 8.5/10 How to Train Your Dragon 6.5/10, There Will Be Blood 8/10, Manhattan 7/10, Rashomon 8.5/10, Unforgiven 8.5/10 The Third Man 9.5/10, Requiem For A Dream 4/10, Charade 5.5/10, Sunset Blvd. 8/10 , Badlands 6.5/10, Dead Man 8.5/10, On The Waterfront 9/10, Mad Max 6/10, Singin' In The Rain 9.5/10, Sleeper 7.5/10, Enter The Dragon 6.5/10, The Hustler 8/10 , The Town 9/10, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 5.5/10, Boogie Nights 7.5/10, Hanna 8.5/10, The Conversation 7.5/10, Serpico 8/10, Hoop Dreams 9/10, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind 8/10, Blood Simple 7.5/10, Roman Holiday 8.5/10, Miller's Crossing 8/10, M 7.5/10, Moonrise Kingdom 6.5/10, Rope 7/10, Tiny Furniture 1/10, On The Town 5.5/10, Gosford Park 5.5/10, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes, 8.5/10, City Lights 8.5/10, The Exorcist 6.5/10, California Split 7/10, Aguirre, The Wrath Of God 8/10, Following 8/10, The General 10/10, Barton Fink 8.5/10, Tombstone 8/10, The Hudsucker Proxy 9/10, Love Actually 6.5, La Dolce Vita 7/10, Chop Shop 9.5/10, Duck Soup 6/10, When Harry Met Sally 8/10, Tokyo Story 7/10, Kelly's Heroes 8/10, The Thing 8.5/10, Lost In Translation 9.5/10, Anchorman 6.5/10, Mulholland Dr. 8.5/10, Rebecca9/10, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans 7/10, Steamboat Bill Jr. 9/10, Double Indemnity 9/10, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum 6.5/10, The Man Who Wasn't There 8.10, Synecdoche, NY 10/10 , Leaving Las Vegas 9/10, The Hidden Fortress 8.5/10, Magnificent Seven 8/10, Dear Zachary -/10, The Fly 9/10, Time Bandits 6/10, Before Sunrise 6.5, The Buddy Holly Story 7/10, Pleasantville 7/10, The Rules of the Game 6/10, Senna 7.5/10, Kiki's Delivery Service 8/10, Gojira 9/10, The Blues Brothers 5/10, Notorious 7/10, Little Shop of Horrors 9/10 , The Last Starfighter 7/10, Rebel Without A Cause 8.5/10, Sherlock Jr. 7.5/10, Intolerable Cruelty, 9/10, The Ladykillers 9/10, Spring Breakers 7.5/10, Touch of Evil 8/10, The Purple Rose of Cairo, 9/10, My Cousin Vinny 7/10, Galaxy Quest 8/10, First Blood, 9/10

Chili fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jul 7, 2015

The GOP Delusion
Sep 10, 2010

The security of Israel is a moral imperative for all free peoples.
Alright, let's finally do this.

Chili , you get Arsenic and Old Lace . This was one of the movies that first got me into older films, it's funny as hell and makes great use of Cary Grant (who does about a million double takes)

Shamelist:

1. The Deer Hunter - I'm told it's essential.

2. Stalker - I haven't Tarkovsky-ed.

3. Eraserhead - I've seen and enjoyed every Lynch film except this and Elephant Man.

4. The Man Who Knew Too Much - Hitchcock.

5. The Exterminating Angel - I just watched Un Chien Andalou.

6. (500) Days of Summer - Something lighthearted.

7. Floating Weeds - Tokyo Story is the only movie that ever made me weep.

8. The Aviator - When it first came out I assumed it was oscar bait, but it's a Michael Mann/Scorsese I haven't seen.

9. The Double Life of Veronique - Is this a good first Kieslowski?

10. Dead Ringers - I've seen Shivers, Videodrome, Eastern Promises and a History of Violence; I have no idea what to expect.

Chewy Bitems
Dec 25, 2012

PIIIISSSSSSSS!!!!
The GOP Delusion, welcome to the thread! Go with The Deer Hunter, it pops up in the thread often enough (quite recently again too) and it's a very interesting film. Looking forward to reading your thoughts.

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My good ole bestie Chili gave me The Host.

Which was surprisingly really good. I had heard long ago when the film came out that it was good, and indeed I've just checked and it was on my list for over 2 years... I added it in April 2013 (I really need to watch more films), so my expectations for the hot new film out of Korea had died down quite a bit and I had it in my head that it'd just be a fun monster film, which it really wasn't. One of the biggest departures from most monster films is that the creature is explained and shown almost immediately (the special effects aren't badly done but they do often stick out badly against the real world it's been inserted into) and the film explores the response on various sides to this creature's appearance.

The film focuses mostly on a family which was caught up in the monster's initial attack and the film is really surprisingly emotional, it slowly lets you get to know the characters but the film moves at a decent pace. There's an interesting satirical and rather critical take on the Korean government's behaviour in the situtation and also of the American military presence in the country. The emotional elements and political background help to give the film much more depth than what you'd expect from what from the outside might seem like a standard monster movie romp. Also, the title does make sense in the context of the plot as a monster called the Host seemed like a weird name.


List of Shame: (in order of time on the list)

1 - Achilles and the Tortoise - final film of Kitano's 'surrealist autobiographical trilogy'...[Catching up with Kitano 2/4]

2 - Samurai Rebellion - Know nothing about this, but it's directed by Masaki Kobayashi, Director of Harakiri, which I loved.

3 - Noah - Getting caught back up with Aronofsky. Heard conflicting reports about this...

4 - The Black Power Mixtape 1967-1975 - Not heard much about this, but a subject I find extremely interesting. [Documentary Slot]

5 - Silence - Long intrigued by this film,, now I need to catch it before the Scorsese version comes out next year...

6 - The Secret World of Arrietty - Missed this in the cinema and need to catch back up with Studio Ghibli's releases.

7 - Cars 2 - Last unseen Pixar film, wasn't keen on the first one, it can't be that bad, can it?

8 - Poltergeist - One of those films I've seen parodied/mimiced so much I never bothered to seek out the original.

9 - In America - It was talked about a lot on its release but not heard much about this since, word was it was good. [Irish Film Slot]

10- Enter The Dragon - new - Seen chunks of this over the years but have never watched it properly.

Shame No More: [48] [top five] Psycho | The Third Man | The Long Goodbye | Harakiri | The Silence of the Lambs | Pi | Jaws | Panic Room | Black Swan | Star Trek II | The Brothers Bloom | Hugo | Badlands | Shame | LA Confidential | The Right Stuff | The Evil Dead | Hanna | The Master | The Untouchables | Glengarry Glen Ross | The Seventh Seal | The Apartment | The Player | Ronin | The Grand Budapest Hotel | Glory to the Filmmaker! | Frank | Dreams | Paths of Glory | Assault on Precinct 13 | Haywire | Escape From New York | 13 Assassins | A Prophet | Stand By Me | Blackfish | Pumping Iron | The Thin Blue Line | It's A Wonderful Life | What Richard Did | The Bicycle Theives | Youth of the Beast | Once Upon A Time In The West | The Raid: Redemption | The Babadook | Calvary | The Host

Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe
Samurai Rebellion seems like a good pick for you, as it's old and by a director you like. The rest of your list is either unfamiliar or not generally to my taste:

Something very interesting happened with regards to Arsenic and Old Lace. I added it to my list as I was ragging on Cary Grant and someone asked me if I had seen him in a strong comedic role.

I fully expected to like Arsenic and Old Lace as old comedies tend to give me a tickler, and suffer through Cary Grant’s performance.

Well, the exact opposite happened.

Cary Grant is about the best thing in this film by a lot, a whole lot. I will say, the first half hour or so was a lot of fun and I couldn’t help but imagine how ahead of its time this film was.

But then, it just got slow. Really slow. The film runs a good two hours and there’s absolutely no reason it needed to be this long. What I couldn’t stop noticing was just how many wasted seconds there were. Shots lingered and waited for characters to enter them, and we have to watch too much straight up walking around.

The real problem with pacing starts when we’re introduced to Jonathan, he’s so brooding and slow, and he and his little Igor buddy just aren’t funny.

There’s very minimal tension as well because there’s just not much too care about, which is fine for a comedy, but when you throw in a threatening presence, in order for that presence to succeed, we’ve got to care a bit about the stakes.

I don’t know, I appreciate a lot about this film. If nothing else, it has indeed turned me on Cary Grant, he was indeed really funny and great in this and I think it boils down to the fact that he’s clearly invested. In the other things I’ve seen him and complained about, he seemed firmly aware of his star power and that he could rest much of his performance on that alone. Not so here, he was perfect.

Good film, lots of problems, long stretches of boring with good interruptions of laughs.

7/10


1. Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior - I saw the first one 'cos of this thread. Pretty much hated it. I saw Fury Road and loved the crap out of it and am now more willing to believe that there's good stuff in this franchise.

2. Strangers on a Train – Classic Hitchcock, this will get me closer to not feeling totally inept when it comes to him.

3. *NEW* Certified Copy *NEW* - Heard about this director for the first time from this thread a few pages back. Let's see how it goes!

4. Poolhouse Junkies :siren: List veteran as of Nov 6, 2013, poor lil' feller :siren: - Looks like fun.

5. Citizenfour - In general I tend to lean pretty hard on the side of "hero" as opposed to "traitor" when it comes to Snowden. Regardless, getting to watch this moment in history is something worthwhile in my mind. I've also heard it's just a very well done documentary.

6. The Raid - Have heard countless recommendations to check this one out.

7. Kramer vs. Kramer - Picked it for another poster, it looks good and is relevant to my profession. Probably worth a watch.

8. The Squid and the Whale - I like Eisenberg, but his performances have all felt somewhat similar. I've heard he's really good/different here.

9. Beasts Of The Southern Wild - All I know is that the kid is supposed to be great.

10. Ashes and Diamonds - There was some kind of list of famous director's favorite movies. A lot of directors I liked listed this and I had never heard of it. Let's go!

109 Total De-Shamed!

Yojimbo 7.5/10, Aliens 6.5/10, Brazil 8/10, Cool Hand Luke 9.5/10, 28 Days Later 6/10, Predator 8.5/10, Blade Runner 7.5/10,Crimes and Misdemeanors 9/10, Vertigo 7/10, Being There 7.5/10, Psycho 10/10, Apocalypse Now 7.5/10, Citizen Kane 8.5/10, Dr. Strangelove 7/10, Close Encounters of the Third Kind 8.5/10, The Bicycle Thief 7/10, Raging Bull 8/10, Ikiru 10/10, Terminator 2: Judgement Day 7/10, The Night of the Hunter 8.5/10 How to Train Your Dragon 6.5/10, There Will Be Blood 8/10, Manhattan 7/10, Rashomon 8.5/10, Unforgiven 8.5/10 The Third Man 9.5/10, Requiem For A Dream 4/10, Charade 5.5/10, Sunset Blvd. 8/10 , Badlands 6.5/10, Dead Man 8.5/10, On The Waterfront 9/10, Mad Max 6/10, Singin' In The Rain 9.5/10, Sleeper 7.5/10, Enter The Dragon 6.5/10, The Hustler 8/10 , The Town 9/10, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 5.5/10, Boogie Nights 7.5/10, Hanna 8.5/10, The Conversation 7.5/10, Serpico 8/10, Hoop Dreams 9/10, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind 8/10, Blood Simple 7.5/10, Roman Holiday 8.5/10, Miller's Crossing 8/10, M 7.5/10, Moonrise Kingdom 6.5/10, Rope 7/10, Tiny Furniture 1/10, On The Town 5.5/10, Gosford Park 5.5/10, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes, 8.5/10, City Lights 8.5/10, The Exorcist 6.5/10, California Split 7/10, Aguirre, The Wrath Of God 8/10, Following 8/10, The General 10/10, Barton Fink 8.5/10, Tombstone 8/10, The Hudsucker Proxy 9/10, Love Actually 6.5, La Dolce Vita 7/10, Chop Shop 9.5/10, Duck Soup 6/10, When Harry Met Sally 8/10, Tokyo Story 7/10, Kelly's Heroes 8/10, The Thing 8.5/10, Lost In Translation 9.5/10, Anchorman 6.5/10, Mulholland Dr. 8.5/10, Rebecca9/10, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans 7/10, Steamboat Bill Jr. 9/10, Double Indemnity 9/10, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum 6.5/10, The Man Who Wasn't There 8.10, Synecdoche, NY 10/10 , Leaving Las Vegas 9/10, The Hidden Fortress 8.5/10, Magnificent Seven 8/10, Dear Zachary -/10, The Fly 9/10, Time Bandits 6/10, Before Sunrise 6.5, The Buddy Holly Story 7/10, Pleasantville 7/10, The Rules of the Game 6/10, Senna 7.5/10, Kiki's Delivery Service 8/10, Gojira 9/10, The Blues Brothers 5/10, Notorious 7/10, Little Shop of Horrors 9/10 , The Last Starfighter 7/10, Rebel Without A Cause 8.5/10, Sherlock Jr. 7.5/10, Intolerable Cruelty, 9/10, The Ladykillers 9/10, Spring Breakers 7.5/10, Touch of Evil 8/10, The Purple Rose of Cairo, 9/10, My Cousin Vinny 7/10, Galaxy Quest 8/10, First Blood, 9/10, Arsenic and Old Lace, 7/10

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

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Chili, you should watch Mad Max 2, because it's more in line with what you're expecting from the Mad Max series.

I was given Suspiria. I really enjoyed it. The lighting and the music are the most important parts of this movie. The lighting is bizarre, colorful, and very theatrical. It doesn't even try at realism, it's more concerned with setting the mood than anything else. The color and intensity changes depending on what's happening in the scene, from lightning strikes to stabbings. I've heard a lot of talk about Goblin's scores, and this one definitely lives up to the hype. Bombastic and chaotic, the music gives the film a lot of tension, and keeps you on your toes. These two main elements are a big part of the film's mysterious atmosphere. The film often plays as enigmatic more than scary, which is succeeds at; but when it goes for straight-up scares, it also works exceptionally well, with creative, disturbing imagery during the murder scenes. In all, a great to dip my toes into Italian horror.

My list (sorted by time on my list, with longest at the top):

1) Badlands - Gotta finish going back through Malick's filmography

2) The Manchurian Candidate - What if Frank Sinatra had been in Die Hard?

3) Alien 3 - Alien is in my top 5, Aliens is probably the most influential movie of the past 30 years, how does this hold up?

4) North by Northwest - Multiple people say this is Hitchcock's best, and the opening credits kick rear end

5) Stagecoach - Don't know much about Westerns, Wayne, or Ford. Apparently has a one-of-a-kind stunt.

NEW 6) Frankenstein (1931) - I love the book, and this version of the monster is somehow more popular. Why?

Unshamed: Royal Tenenbaums, 8 1/2, Crimes & Misdemeanors, Pan's Labyrinth, Schindler's List, The Holy Mountain, Boogie Nights, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, The Exorcist, Days of Heaven, Inland Empire, The Hidden Fortress, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Naked Lunch, The Seventh Seal, Manhunter, Lolita, The Last Temptation of Christ, Sunset Boulevard, Once Upon a Time in the West, Suspiria

Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe
North By Northwest is great, enjoy it!

It’s a drat shame I saw Fury Road before I saw Mad Max 2. Don’t get me wrong, I really loved Mad Max 2 for what it was. It was an immensely enjoyable and gripping film. It was impressive and thoroughly deserves all of the praise I’ve heard heaped upon it.

But, of course, Fury Road really felt the like the movie George Miller wanted Mad Max 2 to be. I mean, if we’re just talking scope, Fury Road is everything its predecessor was just moreso. Bigger effects, bigger characters, bigger ideas, bigger bigger bigger.

Maybe, though, Mad Max 2 works on a simpler level. I have to imagine just how wonderful it was to see something like this when it came out. I mean, Jesus, this thing is over 30 years old and it still felt so shockingly fresh.

Anyway, I’m really glad I came back to the franchise. Everyone warned me (including folks in this thread) that just because I was sour on the original, I would’ve been a fool to pass up at least the sequel.

I will admit, that had it not been for Fury Road I probably never would have bothered. What a loss that would have been.

What really sticks out for me when it came to the enjoyment of this film was that it felt incredibly obvious to me that it was a pure joy to make. I’m sure at times it was incredibly difficult and challenging, but god, this thing must’ve been a blast to go through.

9/10


1. *NEW*Blue Ruin *NEW* - Don't know much about this, heard it's exciting and it's a recent film I missed.

2. Strangers on a Train – Classic Hitchcock, this will get me closer to not feeling totally inept when it comes to him.

3. Certified Copy - Heard about this director for the first time from this thread a few pages back. Let's see how it goes!

4. Poolhouse Junkies :siren: List veteran as of Nov 6, 2013, poor lil' feller :siren: - Looks like fun.

5. Citizenfour - In general I tend to lean pretty hard on the side of "hero" as opposed to "traitor" when it comes to Snowden. Regardless, getting to watch this moment in history is something worthwhile in my mind. I've also heard it's just a very well done documentary.

6. The Raid - Have heard countless recommendations to check this one out.

7. Kramer vs. Kramer - Picked it for another poster, it looks good and is relevant to my profession. Probably worth a watch.

8. The Squid and the Whale - I like Eisenberg, but his performances have all felt somewhat similar. I've heard he's really good/different here.

9. Beasts Of The Southern Wild - All I know is that the kid is supposed to be great.

10. Ashes and Diamonds - There was some kind of list of famous director's favorite movies. A lot of directors I liked listed this and I had never heard of it. Let's go!

110 Total De-Shamed!

Yojimbo 7.5/10, Aliens 6.5/10, Brazil 8/10, Cool Hand Luke 9.5/10, 28 Days Later 6/10, Predator 8.5/10, Blade Runner 7.5/10,Crimes and Misdemeanors 9/10, Vertigo 7/10, Being There 7.5/10, Psycho 10/10, Apocalypse Now 7.5/10, Citizen Kane 8.5/10, Dr. Strangelove 7/10, Close Encounters of the Third Kind 8.5/10, The Bicycle Thief 7/10, Raging Bull 8/10, Ikiru 10/10, Terminator 2: Judgement Day 7/10, The Night of the Hunter 8.5/10 How to Train Your Dragon 6.5/10, There Will Be Blood 8/10, Manhattan 7/10, Rashomon 8.5/10, Unforgiven 8.5/10 The Third Man 9.5/10, Requiem For A Dream 4/10, Charade 5.5/10, Sunset Blvd. 8/10 , Badlands 6.5/10, Dead Man 8.5/10, On The Waterfront 9/10, Mad Max 6/10, Singin' In The Rain 9.5/10, Sleeper 7.5/10, Enter The Dragon 6.5/10, The Hustler 8/10 , The Town 9/10, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 5.5/10, Boogie Nights 7.5/10, Hanna 8.5/10, The Conversation 7.5/10, Serpico 8/10, Hoop Dreams 9/10, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind 8/10, Blood Simple 7.5/10, Roman Holiday 8.5/10, Miller's Crossing 8/10, M 7.5/10, Moonrise Kingdom 6.5/10, Rope 7/10, Tiny Furniture 1/10, On The Town 5.5/10, Gosford Park 5.5/10, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes, 8.5/10, City Lights 8.5/10, The Exorcist 6.5/10, California Split 7/10, Aguirre, The Wrath Of God 8/10, Following 8/10, The General 10/10, Barton Fink 8.5/10, Tombstone 8/10, The Hudsucker Proxy 9/10, Love Actually 6.5, La Dolce Vita 7/10, Chop Shop 9.5/10, Duck Soup 6/10, When Harry Met Sally 8/10, Tokyo Story 7/10, Kelly's Heroes 8/10, The Thing 8.5/10, Lost In Translation 9.5/10, Anchorman 6.5/10, Mulholland Dr. 8.5/10, Rebecca9/10, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans 7/10, Steamboat Bill Jr. 9/10, Double Indemnity 9/10, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum 6.5/10, The Man Who Wasn't There 8.10, Synecdoche, NY 10/10 , Leaving Las Vegas 9/10, The Hidden Fortress 8.5/10, Magnificent Seven 8/10, Dear Zachary -/10, The Fly 9/10, Time Bandits 6/10, Before Sunrise 6.5, The Buddy Holly Story 7/10, Pleasantville 7/10, The Rules of the Game 6/10, Senna 7.5/10, Kiki's Delivery Service 8/10, Gojira 9/10, The Blues Brothers 5/10, Notorious 7/10, Little Shop of Horrors 9/10 , The Last Starfighter 7/10, Rebel Without A Cause 8.5/10, Sherlock Jr. 7.5/10, Intolerable Cruelty, 9/10, The Ladykillers 9/10, Spring Breakers 7.5/10, Touch of Evil 8/10, The Purple Rose of Cairo, 9/10, My Cousin Vinny 7/10, Galaxy Quest 8/10, First Blood, 9/10, Arsenic and Old Lace, 7/10, Mad Max 2, 9/10

The GOP Delusion
Sep 10, 2010

The security of Israel is a moral imperative for all free peoples.
Watch The raid. I wouldn't call it a great movie, but it is an enjoyable one.
Arsenic and old lace really is two hours long, hmm. If you had asked me out of the blue I would said 90 minutes, but it's been a while since I watched it.


I watched The Deer Hunter. I have a bit of a mixed reaction, but it was definitely worth seeing.

The Good:
The long lingering opening I really enjoyed, especially the shots of the Orthodox church in the background throughout the film, and then the long Godfather-esque wedding scene. Over an hour in we abruptly cut to Vietnam. I liked the way we get a sense of who the characters are and insight into their lives before they go to war.

The camerawork was especially interesting, there's a lot of tracking shots that you normally see done with cuts (one in particular where we have a stationary long shot of the characters moving a car back in forth, then they drive off and it pans up to the mountains was especially well done). In combination with the wedding scene even unnamed extras get a sense of personality.

Of course I knew all the roulette scenes by osmosis, but they were still effective.

The Bad:
Has to be said; the Vietnam scenes were basically made up of whole cloth and most of the scenes shot there have racist undertones. It undercuts some of the main themes.
Even though I said I liked the long opening, some of the scenes with de Niro back in America after the war seemed unnecessary. I think the movie is about half an hour too long.



Shamelist:

1. (new) Bad Lieutenant (1992) I really enjoyed Herzog's version, and it seems like there's no agreement on which one is better, so this must be good.

2. Stalker - I haven't Tarkovsky-ed.

3. Eraserhead - I've seen and enjoyed every Lynch film except this and Elephant Man.

4. The Man Who Knew Too Much - Hitchcock.

5. The Exterminating Angel - I just watched Un Chien Andalou.

6. (500) Days of Summer - Something lighthearted.

7. Floating Weeds - Tokyo Story is the only movie that ever made me weep.

8. The Aviator - When it first came out I assumed it was oscar bait, but it's a Michael Mann/Scorsese I haven't seen.

9. The Double Life of Veronique - Is this a good first Kieslowski?

10. Dead Ringers - I've seen Shivers, Videodrome, Eastern Promises and a History of Violence; I have no idea what to expect.


The Deer Hunter

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

The GOP Delusion posted:

3. Eraserhead - I've seen and enjoyed every Lynch film except this and Elephant Man.

Try this next.


Oklahoma! - A film in the uncommon 2.20:1 ratio.

The highlight was the many impressive balletic/dance sequences and their staging. I didn't care too much for the story as it was a basic love triangle that toddled along predictably for 2.5 hours.

The characters were a big mixed bag as they were somewhat funny and somewhat annoying. Gloria Grahame as Ado Annie stuck out. All the singing horsemen and cowmen didn't do much for me.


Also watched:

Clonus - A film in the uncommon 1.66:1 ratio.

Someone recommended this one and said it was great but I may've been pranked. It has some parallels with Zardoz, Dark City, The 6th Day and Invasion of the Body Snatchers but comes up short compared to all those. Overall it felt more like a 1970s TV movie which isn't necessarily bad but in this case felt lacking and limiting.

Initially we're shown a placid convent where everyone wears Adidas track suits and conforms as if they're in a cult. This segment had me intrigued as to what was going on. Then the whole plot is just told to us directly and kind of fizzles out (the clones organs are used by powerful politicians who want to live forever). I think I wanted more mystery.


Procrastination (183 completed):

#183 Irreversible - I meant to watch this a long while back. 5/26/15

#185 Robinson Crusoe on Mars - Sounds unique. 6/28/15

James Bond versus Godzilla:

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster - I've seen some of this. I believe this is the main nemesis of the series. 6/1/15

Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Picture (11/37 completed)

2008 The Love Guru - Mike Myers converts to Hinduism. 3/13/15

2006 Basic Instinct 2 - I saw the first one many years ago. 3/20/15

2004 Catwoman - Superhero movies are all the rage. 5/25/15

2002 Swept Away - Madonna gets stuck on an island. 5/25/15

2000 Battlefield Earth - Another notorious entry. 6/17/15

new 1999 Wild Wild West - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t_UuTCbCZU 7/12/15

new 1998 An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn - Not sure what this is about. 7/12/15

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Oklahoma! is easily the worst movie I've watched for this thread.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Zogo posted:

Clonus - A film in the uncommon 1.66:1 ratio.

Someone recommended this one and said it was great

Who? Why? What?

Ratedargh
Feb 20, 2011

Wow, Bob, wow. Fire walk with me.

Zogo posted:


#183 Irreversible - I meant to watch this a long while back. 5/26/15

As grueling as it is during THE scene, it's a really good film and not nearly as hinging on the exploitative nature as I was expecting.

As for A Hard Day's Night, it is a lot better than Magical Mystery Tour, let me tell ya! It wasn't wonderful, but it was a lot of fun. Worth it for the music and the overall glee and charm they seemed to take with making this. If it wasn't for the music, though, the cheekiness would have gotten old pretty quickly. Fortunately, the balance is there and as the musical numbers pile on, the movie becomes more enjoyable.

LIST O SHAME:

1920s - Pandora's Box (1928) - Know next to nothing about it except a former co-worker was fascinated by it.

1930s - Earth (1930) - A Russian silent I haven't seen. Pretty high on the TSPDT top 1000.

1940s - Monsieur Verdoux (1947) - Later Chaplin, I've heard mixed things.

1950s - Nights of Cabiria (1957) - I'm pretty impressed by the Fellini I've seen, and I hear this is among his best.

1960s - Marketa Lazarova (1967) - One of the best Czech films of all time, eh?

1970s - Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975) - Picked it up as part of last summer's B&N Criterion sale. Heard good to great things.

1980s - Cobra Verde (1987) - Time to watch more of my Herzog/Kinski box set I bought ages ago.

1990s - Topsy-Turvy (1999) - Saw a trailer for this when I was in high school. Thought it looked lame. I've since grown up a tad and have liked what I've seen from Mike Leigh (Happy Go-Lucky and Naked)

2000 and up - George Washington (2000) - The only film by David Gordon Green I have seen is Pineapple Express. Apparently his early films are nothing like that. Slight edit...I've since seen Prince Avalanche and liked it a ton.

Bonus/Random - Tootsie (1982) - My girlfriend was really surprised I hadn't seen this. Guess it's about time.

SHAME BE GONE:Wild Strawberries, Sunset Blvd., The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Our Man in Havana, Breathless, Phenomena, Withnail & I, 12 Angry Men, The Cranes Are Flying, Fitzcarraldo, Amadeus, Paths of Glory, Blow Out, Cronos, Hausu, City Lights, Easy Rider, The Lives of Others, Salo, In the Bedroom, The Killing of a Chinese Bookie, Cars, Brand Upon the Brain!, The Great Dictator, Double Indemnity, Point Blank, Cool Hand Luke, 127 Hours, Black Narcissus, Lawrence of Arabia, The Sting, A Woman is a Woman, Life of Brian, Last Picture Show, The Company of Wolves, Tree of Life, Life is Beautiful, Young Frankenstein, Cinema Paradiso, Some Like it Hot, Shotgun Stories, Singin' in the Rain, Precious, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, The Rules of the Game, Frost/Nixon, All About Eve, Bronson, The Searchers, Bicycle Thieves, American Graffiti, A Christmas Story, The Phantom Carriage, The Changeling, Repulsion, Kagemusha, Irreversible, The Virgin Spring, The Red Shoes, Deconstructing Harry, Metropolis, Che, The Island of Lost Souls, Revanche, Black Moon, Stalker, Manhattan Murder Mystery, Badlands, The Long Goodbye, Crimes and Misdemeanors, The Apartment, All About My Mother, Tokyo Story, Chungking Express, This is Spinal Tap, On the Waterfront, Grave of the Fireflies, Rebecca, The Sweet Hereafter, Peeping Tom, Drunken Angel, Duck Soup, Key Largo, Witness for the Prosecution, The Lady From Shanghai, Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages, Safety Last!, King Kong, Anatomy of a Murder, In a Lonely Place, Safe, Bad Day at Black Rock, The General, The Magnificent Ambersons, Five Easy Pieces, Porco Rosso, Mystery Train, Rififi, The King of Comedy, The Straight Story, The Kid, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Carlos, Onibaba, It Happened One Night, Sherlock Jr., Lone Star, Foreign Correspondent, The Last Detail, Young Mr. Lincoln, Rope, Mr. Hulot's Holiday, The Man Who Laughs, Husbands and Wives, Reds, Sweet Smell of Success, Shadow of a Doubt, The Purple Rose of Cairo, The African Queen, The Lower Depths, Frankenstein, Broadcast News, La Strada, The Last Laugh, Stagecoach, Alexander Nevsky, Don't Look Now, Fish Tank, Steamboat Bill, Jr., Days of Heaven, The Killer, Nosferatu, The Naked Kiss, The Friends of Eddie Coyle, Jules et Jim, Mon Oncle, Howl's Moving Castle, Y Tu Mama Tambien, A Night at the Opera, Berberian Sound Studio, The Natural, Kwaidan, The Color of Money, Fanny and Alexander, Repo Man, The Breakfast Club, The Passenger, The King of Marvin Gardens, The Goonies, Z, Ashes and Diamonds, L'Atalante, All Quiet on the Western Front, L'Age D'Or, The Earrings of Madame De..., La Notte, Europa, World on a Wire, Andrei Rublev, Dersu Uzala, Once Upon a Time in Anatolia, Brewster McCloud, Blast of Silence, Ordet, Bringing Up Baby, Pather Panchali, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, A Streetcar Named Desire, Bride of Frankenstein, Three Colors: White, Three Colors: Red, Kuroneko, A Hard Day's Night (TOTAL: 174)

friendo55
Jun 28, 2008

Ratedargh posted:

1960s - Marketa Lazarova (1967) - One of the best Czech films of all time, eh?

I've been curious about this film ever since Criterion announced it's release and made me aware of it! Looking forward to your take on it.


:rock: I HIT THE 100-FILM MARK! Took almost 3 years in this thread, but I got there! Thankfully, there's still hundreds and hundreds more to go.

Cry Danger
A typical noir with a zero-filler plot, mostly due to a runtime just under 80 minutes. Dick Powell, as the recently released Rocky Malloy, is just as great here as he was in another 1944 noir, Murder My Sweet. He's out to clear his friend's name who's still in prison, and there's some great back and forth dialogue as his investigation rolls on. Jean Porter particularly stands out as the sexy pickpocket Darlene who wood-legged Delong (Richard Erdman, nowadays known as Community's Leonard) just puts up with.

The Wind Will Carry Us
My 6th Kiarostami film, and another relaxing and self-reflective experience. That opening sequence of the young boy Farzad taking the arriving engineer Behzad through the family's string of houses showed the vast contrast between their way of life and that of Canadian suburbia - fascinating and incredibly well shot. And of course, we get more shots while driving, this time up and down a hilly barren mountainside looking for the village. Very happy I blind-bought the blu ray.


LIST

The Fountain **NEW** (2015.07.12) - I've noticed this come up way too many times, plus a good friend telling me to watch it for years now.

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2015.05.07) - a blind-purchase that I'll keep putting off otherwise; Fincher's film only seems to get more of a backlash as time moves on.

Only Angels Have Wings (2015.03.31) - highly respected film directed by Howard Hawks - a versatile yet overlooked director who I've barely scratched the surface of...

Peeping Tom **NEW** (2015.07.12) - one of those films I should watch moreso than I want to watch. Perfect for this list!

The Right Stuff (2015.04.28) - a 3hr film I've always heard great things about that I'll never get around to.. unless I'm forced in this thread!

Shadow of a Doubt (2015.06.07) - a somewhat earlier Hitchcock film I've yet to see.

Still Life **OLDEST** (2015.03.08) - director Jia Zhangke has been a blind spot for so long now, and luckily I found this back when Blockbusters were still around. It's long overdue.

Syndromes and a Century **OLDEST** (2015.03.08) - another director who is a blindspot, and I believe it was FitFortDanga who had praised this film long ago & stuck with me.

That Obscure Object of Desire (2015.04.07) - this seems way too interesting and way too important to have not seen by now.

True Romance (2015.04.14) - I've been scoffed at too many times for not having watched this yet. It's about time.



De-shamed: Aliens (4.5/5), The Bridge on the River Kwai (5/5), La Dolce Vita (4/5), The Hustler (5/5), Blue Velvet (4.5/5), Close-Up (4.5/5), The Lady Vanishes (4.5/5), Grave of the Fireflies (5/5), Close Encounters of the Third Kind (3.5/5), Oldboy (4.5/5), Gattaca (3.5/5), Children of Men (5/5), The Great Dictator (4.5/5), Diabolique (4.5/5), Aguirre, the Wrath of God (3.5/5), Rashomon (4.5/5), Singin' in the Rain (5/5), Le Samourai (5/5), Hiroshima, Mon Amour (5/5), Battleship Potemkin (4/5), Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (3.5/5), Network (5/5), Once Upon A Time In The West (5/5), Sleeper (2.5/5), Y Tu Mama Tambien (4.5/5), Lawrence of Arabia (3.5/5), Amadeus (4/5), E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (4.5/5), The Postman Always Rings Twice (3.5/5), Ben-Hur (4.5/5), Bug (4/5), All The President's Men (4.5/5), Through a Glass Darkly (4/5), The Leopard (2/5), The Aviator (4.5/5), Duck Soup (4/5), The Good The Bad & The Ugly (5/5), Werckmeister Harmonies (4/5), Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf (4.5/5), To Kill A Mockingbird (2.5/5), Brazil (2.5/5), M (5/5), The Sweet Hereafter (4/5), Princess Mononoke (5/5), High and Low (5/5), The Sting (5/5), The King of Comedy (4.5/5), Stand By Me (4.5/5), The Wages of Fear (4/5), Amores Perros (3.5/5), The Music Room (4/5), The Spirit of the Beehive (4/5), Cape Fear (3.5/5), The Passion of Joan of Arc (4/5), The Magnificent Ambersons (3/5), Tokyo Story (5/5), Quiz Show (3/5), Witness For The Prosecution (4/5), The Last Picture Show (4.5/5), Robocop (2.5/5), Grand Illusion (2.5/5), Ikiru (5/5), The Bride of Frankenstein (4/5), The Taste of Cherry (4/5), Eastern Promises (3.5/5), What Ever Happened To Baby Jane? (4/5), Le Doulos (4.5/5), Million Dollar Baby (3/5), Akira (5/5), Lone Star (3/5), Barry Lyndon (2.5/5), Dr. Strangelove (5/5), Leon the Professional (3/5), Arsenic and Old Lace (4/5), The Searchers (2/5), Playtime (4/5), Star Wars: Episode III (3.5/5), The Player (3.5/5), A Few Good Men (3.5/5), Murder on the Orient Express (3/5), The Deer Hunter (4.5/5), Amour (4.5/5), School of Rock (3.5/5), Holiday (5/5), Harakiri (4.5/5), Band of Outsiders (4/5), Charulata (4/5), The Life & Death of Colonel Blimp (2/5), Killer of Sheep (3.5/5), Ace in the Hole (5/5), Millennium Actress (5/5), Eraserhead (2/5), Jack Goes Boating (3.5/5), The Innocents (4.5/5), Tape (3.5/5), Ali: Fear Eats the Soul (4/5), Sabrina (3/5), Cry Danger (4/5), The Wind Will Carry Us (4.5/5) [Total:100]

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

Oklahoma! is easily the worst movie I've watched for this thread.

Looking through your watched list, yea, I'd put it near the bottom of what I'd be most interested in revisiting. I guess you weren't impressed by the dance numbers.


I searched:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3669287&pagenumber=38&perpage=40#post436078528
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2871728&pagenumber=128&perpage=40#post393352105

My next questionable film may be Phase IV.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
I actually kind of agree on Touch of Satan, which is a pretty ok short film inflated to theatrical runtime by inserting arbitrary pauses between every single line of dialogue.

The GOP Delusion
Sep 10, 2010

The security of Israel is a moral imperative for all free peoples.
friendo55, the best film that I have seen on your list is True Romance, so watch that.


Eraserhead. Wow. Usually Lynch sets his films in the modern day in America, giving us a leg to stand on in reality. Not here, there's no solid place to stand, it's pure surrealism. This feels like the film that would result if Lynch teamed up with Videodrome-Era Cronenberg. I'm still processing.




Shamelist:

1. Bad Lieutenant (1992) I really enjoyed Herzog's version, and it seems like there's no agreement on which one is better, so this must be good.

2. Stalker - I haven't Tarkovsky-ed.

3. Almost Famous - Everyone seems to have seen this already.

4. The Man Who Knew Too Much - Hitchcock.

5. The Exterminating Angel - I just watched Un Chien Andalou.

6. (500) Days of Summer - Something lighthearted.

7. Floating Weeds - Tokyo Story is the only movie that ever made me weep.

8. The Aviator - When it first came out I assumed it was oscar bait, but it's a Michael Mann/Scorsese I haven't seen.

9. The Double Life of Veronique - Is this a good first Kieslowski?

10. Dead Ringers - I've seen Shivers, Videodrome, Eastern Promises and a History of Violence; I have no idea what to expect.


The Deer Hunter, Eraserhead
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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
So it's been a few months...

GOP Delusion, watch The Aviator it's a great movie.

I finally saw The Agony and the Ecstasy. Which is a terrific film about Michelangelo and Pope Julius II during the painting of the Sistine Chapel. Terrific performances from Charlton Heston and especially Rex Harrison who play really well off one another - their conversation about the Creation of Adam is worth the price of admission. Directed by the great Carol Reed of "The Third Man" fame, and amazing art design as you'd expect. I'd have loved to see this in the original 70mm.

1. The Man with the Golden Arm - Sinatra is said to be incredible here.

2. An American In Paris - Let's try another musical :v: Gershwin though.

3. Scarface The Pacino version.

4. The Guns of Navarone One of those classic WW2 movies with a cavalcade of stars.

5. Duel Always heard this Spielberg movie was good.

6. Cape Fear The 1962 version with Peck and Mitchum.

7. The Fallen Idol So the director and the writer of "The Third Man" went and did another thing together.

8. The Night of the Hunter for my film noir fix.

9. The Age of Innocence A Scorsese I haven't seen, and... well, I guess it has Daniel Day-Lewis?

10. NEW The Three Colors Trilogy It has been brought up here a few times, I remember wanting to see it when it came out.

AFI meter: 70
IMDB 250 meter: 152
Oscar winners: 48

Movies watched: City Lights, Some Like It Hot, Annie Hall, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Dollars Trilogy, Bottle Rocket, Bonnie and Clyde, To Kill a Mockingbird, All About Eve, Breakfast at Tiffany's, The French Connection, To Catch a Thief, Infernal Affairs, The Aviator, The Best Years of Our Lives, Midnight Cowboy, The General, Once Upon a Time in the West, The Philadelphia Story, The Lion in Winter, The Duellists, Ben-Hur, Seven Samurai, Rocky, Kill Bill, 8 1/2, La Strada, Kundun, The Exorcist, Dog Day Afternoon, Anatomy of a Murder, Amarcord, Inframan, A Place in the Sun, Assault on Precinct 13, The Wicker Man, Spartacus, Death Proof, Days of Heaven, The Ladykillers (2014), Birdman, Intolerable Cruelty, The Conformist, Shane, A Man For All Seasons, El Cid, Casino, The Agony and the Ecstasy

Chewy Bitems
Dec 25, 2012

PIIIISSSSSSSS!!!!
monster on a stick, welcome back to the thread, your list is all blindspots for me, so go with Duel, looking forward to seeing what you think of it as it's one that's on my longer list too.

oh and congrats on passing the 100 mark friendo55!

_____________________________

Chili, my thread bestie, knew what I'd like when he chose Samurai Rebellion.

And I did indeed like it, it was magnificent.

I knew nothing about this film going in other than it was directed by Masaki Kobayashi who had directed Harakiri, which I loved and was extremely impressed by. The first thing I noticed was the instantly recognisable score by Toru Takemitsu (his scores on the few Hiroshi Teshigahara films I've seen are extremely memorable) and then the cast featuring Toshiro Mifune and Tatsuya Nakadai raised my expectations for the film. I was expecting, with the title Samurai Rebellion, that this would be about some kind of samurai uprising but rather the plot holds much closer to the themes raised in Harakiri - of how human beings and human life is treated by those in power - and was much more affecting than I was expecting.

The plot is that in feudal Japan a moderately low level family in a clan is asked to comply with a rather unreasonable request from the clan's lord. The consequences on the family of that request, in particular the head of the family (Mifune), and the further complications that arise when more requests come from the clan's heirarchy, the Rebellion of the title coming from the family's response to the requests. The film looks at the expectations placed upon people by such rules and assumed obligations, always from the perspective of a human's life, these aren't just pawns in some period drama, the film's main characters are shown as sympathically human above all.

I'll have to admit that while I objectively do genuinely think this is a brilliant film, I aslo recognise that this film (and Harakiri before it) is like a box ticking exercise in what I'd like in a film - the story, the themes, the characters, the sympathic focus on human life being used/controlled by authoritarian powers, and above all the gorgeous visuals, beautifully composed at all times - calm and clear in most scenes but switching to extreme closeups to show the emotion of the characters and with numerous artistic flourishes that always draw the viewer in, it's not a change in the film's look for the sake of it, it's always adds to the film and the emotion and story of the scene.

blah blah rant over - brilliant film - I love this thread.


My List of Shame:

1 - Achilles and the Tortoise - final film of Kitano's 'surrealist autobiographical trilogy'...[Catching up with Kitano 2/4]

2 - Noah - Getting caught back up with Aronofsky. Heard conflicting reports about this...

3 - The Black Power Mixtape 1967-1975 - Not heard much about this, but a subject I find extremely interesting. [Documentary Slot]

4 - Silence - Long intrigued by this film,, now I need to catch it before the Scorsese version comes out next year...

5 - The Secret World of Arrietty - Missed this in the cinema and need to catch back up with Studio Ghibli's releases.

6 - Cars 2 - Last unseen Pixar film, wasn't keen on the first one, it can't be that bad, can it?

7 - Poltergeist - One of those films I've seen parodied/mimiced so much I never bothered to seek out the original.

8 - In America - It was talked about a lot on its release but not heard much about this since, word was it was good. [Irish Film Slot]

9 - Enter The Dragon - Seen chunks of this over the years but have never watched it properly.

10- Days of Heaven - new - Long overdue getting back to working my way through Terence Malick's films.

Shame No More: [49] [top five] Psycho | The Third Man | The Long Goodbye | Harakiri | The Silence of the Lambs | Pi | Jaws | Panic Room | Black Swan | Star Trek II | The Brothers Bloom | Hugo | Badlands | Shame | LA Confidential | The Right Stuff | The Evil Dead | Hanna | The Master | The Untouchables | Glengarry Glen Ross | The Seventh Seal | The Apartment | The Player | Ronin | The Grand Budapest Hotel | Glory to the Filmmaker! | Frank | Dreams | Paths of Glory | Assault on Precinct 13 | Haywire | Escape From New York | 13 Assassins | A Prophet | Stand By Me | Blackfish | Pumping Iron | The Thin Blue Line | It's A Wonderful Life | What Richard Did | The Bicycle Theives | Youth of the Beast | Once Upon A Time In The West | The Raid: Redemption | The Babadook | Calvary | The Host | Samurai Rebellion

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Chewy Bitems posted:

7 - Poltergeist - One of those films I've seen parodied/mimiced so much I never bothered to seek out the original.

Critical and popular appeal but somehow still feels underappreciated.


Irreversible - It's basically about sex. To put it simply there are a lot of ways it can be good and there are a lot of ways it can be bad.

Its strength is that Gaspar Noé's bravery knows no bounds in tackling aspects of human behavior that most directors shun in a completely unimpeded and unbridled presentation. Showing things most viewers don't want to see but nevertheless are brutal realities that happen everyday on this crazy planet. Even pro movie reviewers have succumbed to averting their eyes during two of the infamous segments.

Chaotic camerawork with pulsating credits and sounds really try to put you into a trance and it matches the rage and chaos one of the characters is feeling. Whereas, the reversed chronology in Memento was distracting here it seems to work better in showing the fallibility of revenge fantasies.

If I had my druthers Noé's Enter the Void would probably be on the starting list of every shame game participant just to hear the thoughts and reactions.


Procrastination (184 completed):

#185 Robinson Crusoe on Mars - Sounds unique. 6/28/15

new #186 Wild Tales - It's not easy defeating the IMDb 250 as new films steadily enter every few weeks. A few years back I had all 250, had autograph requests etc., then Star Trek Into Darkness appeared the next day. Now I'm back up to 247/250 just missing this one and two stupid new releases (kidding), Inside Out and Mad Max: Fury Road. 7/14/15

James Bond versus Godzilla:

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster - I've seen some of this. I believe this is the main nemesis of the series. 6/1/15

Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Picture (11/37 completed)

2008 The Love Guru - Mike Myers converts to Hinduism. 3/13/15

2006 Basic Instinct 2 - I saw the first one many years ago. 3/20/15

2004 Catwoman - Superhero movies are all the rage. 5/25/15

2002 Swept Away - Madonna gets stuck on an island. 5/25/15

2000 Battlefield Earth - Another notorious entry. 6/17/15

1999 Wild Wild West - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t_UuTCbCZU 7/12/15

1998 An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn - Not sure what this is about. 7/12/15

Dmitri Russkie
Feb 13, 2008

Zogo, Haven't seen any on your list. I'll pick the oldest on your list. See The Love Guru

Saw Ran. I loved the cinematography of this movie. Very impressive shots. This is my 12th Kurosawa movie on this list, and I have yet to be disappointed by him. This ranks with Seven Samurai and Rashomon as one of his best.

My List:
Wall Street - Greed is good, I hear.

Avatar - I heard this is like Dances with Wolves.

Faust - Looking forward to another Murnau film.

True Grit - The original version. Been a while since a western was on my list.

A Day at the Races - More Marx Brothers madness, please.

The Cat Returns - Need to see some more Studio Ghibli. Sequel to Whisper of the Heart

Dersu Uzala - Starting to run out of Kurosawa films. What a great director.

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers - This is one of my grandmothers favorite movies. I haven't seen it yet.

House of Wax - I've never seen a Vincent Price picture (except for Edward Scissorhands)

Notorious - More Hitchcock here.

Movies Seen: Seven Samurai, Dune, Singin' in the Rain, Animal Crackers, Once Upon a Time in the West, Amadeus, Double Indemnity, The Day the Earth Stood Still, 12 Angry Men, Ed Wood, Sunset Boulevard, The Dark Knight, Plan 9 From Outer Space, Brazil, Rashomon, Yojimbo, No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, M, Duck Soup, The Princess and the Frog, Sanjuro, The Hidden Fortress, Dracula, It's a Wonderful Life, Lawrence of Arabia, Ikiru, High and Low, Frankenstein, The Mummy, Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, Kagemusha, Best In Show, Modern Times, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Red Beard, Monty Python's The Life of Brian, Cars, Cool Hand Luke, The Public Enemy, Time Bandits, Adaptation, The Producers, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Gone With The Wind, My Fair Lady, City Lights, A Christmas Carol(1951), Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, West Side Story, Caddyshack, My Neighbor Totoro, Throne of Blood, The Phantom of the Opera, Yellow Submarine, Little Caesar, The Third Man, The Godfather, Persepolis, The Godfather Part II, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, The Invisible Man, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Bridge on the River Kwai, A Beautiful Mind, The Kid, Fiddler on the Roof, The Gold Rush, Metropolis, Rear Window, Enter the Dragon, Horse Feathers, The Great Dictator, Despicable Me, The Bad Sleep Well, The Wolf Man, Nosferatu, Patton, Howl's Moving Castle, The King and I, The Man Who Knew Too Much, Kiki's Delivery Service, The King's Speech, Grave of the Fireflies, Porco Rosso, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, The Graduate, Whisper of the Heart, The 39 Steps, Ran

The GOP Delusion
Sep 10, 2010

The security of Israel is a moral imperative for all free peoples.
Dmitri Russkie, watch Notorious, it's one of Hitchcock's greatest, and I think Bergman is better in this film than Casablanca.

Zogo posted:

If I had my druthers Noé's Enter the Void would probably be on the starting list of every shame game participant just to hear the thoughts and reactions.

I was meaning to put Irreversible on soon, but this works too. added.


monster on a stick posted:

So it's been a few months...

GOP Delusion, watch The Aviator it's a great movie.


Yes it is! It's nearly 3 hours long but feels like half that, the period setting is really well done, and DiCaprio and Blanchett kill it. I also noticed that I've never seen a Hughes film, which seems shameful enough for this thread.


Shamelist:

1. Bad Lieutenant (1992) I really enjoyed Herzog's version, and it seems like there's no agreement on which one is better, so this must be good.

2. Stalker - I haven't Tarkovsky-ed.

3. Almost Famous - Everyone seems to have seen this already.

4. The Man Who Knew Too Much - Hitchcock.

5. The Exterminating Angel - I just watched Un Chien Andalou.

6. (500) Days of Summer - Something lighthearted.

7. Floating Weeds - Tokyo Story is the only movie that ever made me weep.

8. Enter the Void (new) - Zogo told me to.

9. The Double Life of Veronique - Is this a good first Kieslowski?

10. Dead Ringers - I've seen Shivers, Videodrome, Eastern Promises and a History of Violence; I have no idea what to expect.


The Deer Hunter, Eraserhead, The Aviator

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

The GOP Delusion posted:

8. Enter the Void (new) - Zogo told me to.

You can now enter the void.


The Love Guru - An unmitigated disaster. To make a good comedy simply do everything exactly the opposite as was done here.

One of the cardinal rules in comedy is that actors shouldn't laugh at their own jokes on screen. Guru Pitka (Myers) did not get this memo as he delivers dozens of dull puns and laughs at every stupid, gross, repetitive thing he utters.

We're given an uninspired cardboard sports story as we clunkily go from scene to scene. Myers has a few dozen more unfunny acronym/initialism jokes playing on guru humor.

Even if this thing was uproariously funny I'd still be harping on the unbalanced, disjointed and hollow editing and the obnoxious ads. The less said about Justin Timberlake the better.

It does have a few segments that paid homage to Bollywood but they're few and far between.

Jerry Lewis refused to release The Day the Clown Cried but this might be the closest thing to it we get to see. Thank you Mike Myers & Paramount Pictures for not hiding it.



Procrastination (184 completed):

#185 Robinson Crusoe on Mars - Sounds unique. 6/28/15

#186 Wild Tales - It's not easy defeating the IMDb 250 as new films steadily enter every few weeks. A few years back I had all 250, had autograph requests etc., then Star Trek Into Darkness appeared the next day. Now I'm back up to 247/250 just missing this one, Inside Out and Mad Max: Fury Road. 7/14/15

new #187 Wild at Heart - Still have a lot of Lynch films to see. 7/16/15

James Bond versus Godzilla:

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster - I've seen some of this. I believe this is the main nemesis of the series. 6/1/15

Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Picture (12/37 completed)

2006 Basic Instinct 2 - I saw the first one many years ago. 3/20/15

2004 Catwoman - Superhero movies are all the rage. 5/25/15

2002 Swept Away - Madonna gets stuck on an island. 5/25/15

2000 Battlefield Earth - Another notorious entry. 6/17/15

1999 Wild Wild West - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t_UuTCbCZU 7/12/15

1998 An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn - Not sure what this is about. 7/12/15

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Zogo, watch Battlefield Earth. A modern masterpiece of a fuckup.

Fitzcarraldo: Kind of a meta-mindfuck, a real life Synecdoche, NY, with director as lead actor. To make this movie, they had to actually get that boat up a goddamn mountain in the rainforest, exploiting local people and destroying the environment in the process, a Quixotic exercise that's mirrored by the actions of the title character. Other problems with the production (apparently Mick Jagger filmed a few deleted scenes) support this narrative even more. I think the documentary about this film will be much more interesting that the film itself.

Tonally the film was all over the place. At times the writing was clearly critical of exploitation, yet in the end Fitz gets his hosed up dream of an opera in the rainforest to come true. I was hoping for another psychotic performance from Klaus Kinski, like in Aguirre. His character was far too sympathetic.

Good cinematography, as with all Herzog films.


2.5/5


New List of Shame:

1. Unforgiven: Let's replace one Eastwood western with another.

2. Burden of Dreams: Now that I've seen Fitzcarraldo, time to see the doc about it.

3. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen: I've seen the very beginning and very end, but still need to see the middle 90% of this Gilliam classic.

4. Zero Dark Thirty: Amerrrrca! Ferk yearrhh!

5. The Fog of War: I'm not sure why this is supposed to be such a great doc since I'm pretty sure it's just one old dude being interviewed for two hours, but I guess I should find out.

6. When a Tree Falls: An environmental doc that's been on my mind for a while.

7. El Topo: I'm not sure I like Alejandro Jodorowsky, but I'm definitely fascinated by him.

8. Foxcatcher: Steve Carell looks creepy as gently caress.

9. Mud: I'm imagining this as being subtitled, "Rust Cohle On The Lam". Hope so, anyway.

10. Nosferatu, the Vampyre: More Herzog/Kinski insanity, please.


Unshamed: Evil Dead 1.5/4, Evil Dead 2 2.5/4, Hoop Dreams 3.5/4, The Prestige 3.5/4, Citizen Kane 3/4, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan 3.5/5, Paths of Glory 4.5/5, Once Upon a Time in the West 4.5/5, Highlander 2/5, Ran 4/5, The Act of Killing 4.5/5, Das Boot 5/5, Cool Hand Luke 3/5, The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly 3.5/5, Fitzcarraldo 2.5/5

Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe
Been awhile since I've seen Unforgiven, but it's solid. Enjoy it.

I needed The Raid, I happened to have one of the hardest days of my life today and finding something to grab me like it did was a really welcome distraction.

It’s a fun one, to be sure, and quite visceral and as my picker said “brutal”. It did, however, strike me as to how similar this film was to a big budget porn film.

You’ve got wooden acting, an irrelevant plot, and set pieces (1v1, gangbang, 2v1 etc) that people couldn’t be blamed to just fast forward to.

Anyway, I didn’t really care about much of any of this, but that’s fine, it was good entertainment, executed well, and served as a nice bit of escapism for me.

Can’t ask for much more.

8/10


1. Blue Ruin - Don't know much about this, heard it's exciting and it's a recent film I missed.

2. Strangers on a Train – Classic Hitchcock, this will get me closer to not feeling totally inept when it comes to him.

3. Certified Copy - Heard about this director for the first time from this thread a few pages back. Let's see how it goes!

4. Poolhouse Junkies :siren: List veteran as of Nov 6, 2013, poor lil' feller :siren: - Looks like fun.

5. Citizenfour - In general I tend to lean pretty hard on the side of "hero" as opposed to "traitor" when it comes to Snowden. Regardless, getting to watch this moment in history is something worthwhile in my mind. I've also heard it's just a very well done documentary.

6. *NEW* Nightcrawler *NEW* - Heard this is better than Taxi Driver. Not quite willing to believe that, but I'm certainly curious and open to being surprised.

7. Kramer vs. Kramer - Picked it for another poster, it looks good and is relevant to my profession. Probably worth a watch.

8. The Squid and the Whale - I like Eisenberg, but his performances have all felt somewhat similar. I've heard he's really good/different here.

9. Beasts Of The Southern Wild - All I know is that the kid is supposed to be great.

10. Ashes and Diamonds - There was some kind of list of famous director's favorite movies. A lot of directors I liked listed this and I had never heard of it. Let's go!

111 Total De-Shamed!

Yojimbo 7.5/10, Aliens 6.5/10, Brazil 8/10, Cool Hand Luke 9.5/10, 28 Days Later 6/10, Predator 8.5/10, Blade Runner 7.5/10,Crimes and Misdemeanors 9/10, Vertigo 7/10, Being There 7.5/10, Psycho 10/10, Apocalypse Now 7.5/10, Citizen Kane 8.5/10, Dr. Strangelove 7/10, Close Encounters of the Third Kind 8.5/10, The Bicycle Thief 7/10, Raging Bull 8/10, Ikiru 10/10, Terminator 2: Judgement Day 7/10, The Night of the Hunter 8.5/10 How to Train Your Dragon 6.5/10, There Will Be Blood 8/10, Manhattan 7/10, Rashomon 8.5/10, Unforgiven 8.5/10 The Third Man 9.5/10, Requiem For A Dream 4/10, Charade 5.5/10, Sunset Blvd. 8/10 , Badlands 6.5/10, Dead Man 8.5/10, On The Waterfront 9/10, Mad Max 6/10, Singin' In The Rain 9.5/10, Sleeper 7.5/10, Enter The Dragon 6.5/10, The Hustler 8/10 , The Town 9/10, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 5.5/10, Boogie Nights 7.5/10, Hanna 8.5/10, The Conversation 7.5/10, Serpico 8/10, Hoop Dreams 9/10, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind 8/10, Blood Simple 7.5/10, Roman Holiday 8.5/10, Miller's Crossing 8/10, M 7.5/10, Moonrise Kingdom 6.5/10, Rope 7/10, Tiny Furniture 1/10, On The Town 5.5/10, Gosford Park 5.5/10, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes, 8.5/10, City Lights 8.5/10, The Exorcist 6.5/10, California Split 7/10, Aguirre, The Wrath Of God 8/10, Following 8/10, The General 10/10, Barton Fink 8.5/10, Tombstone 8/10, The Hudsucker Proxy 9/10, Love Actually 6.5, La Dolce Vita 7/10, Chop Shop 9.5/10, Duck Soup 6/10, When Harry Met Sally 8/10, Tokyo Story 7/10, Kelly's Heroes 8/10, The Thing 8.5/10, Lost In Translation 9.5/10, Anchorman 6.5/10, Mulholland Dr. 8.5/10, Rebecca9/10, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans 7/10, Steamboat Bill Jr. 9/10, Double Indemnity 9/10, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum 6.5/10, The Man Who Wasn't There 8.10, Synecdoche, NY 10/10 , Leaving Las Vegas 9/10, The Hidden Fortress 8.5/10, Magnificent Seven 8/10, Dear Zachary -/10, The Fly 9/10, Time Bandits 6/10, Before Sunrise 6.5, The Buddy Holly Story 7/10, Pleasantville 7/10, The Rules of the Game 6/10, Senna 7.5/10, Kiki's Delivery Service 8/10, Gojira 9/10, The Blues Brothers 5/10, Notorious 7/10, Little Shop of Horrors 9/10 , The Last Starfighter 7/10, Rebel Without A Cause 8.5/10, Sherlock Jr. 7.5/10, Intolerable Cruelty, 9/10, The Ladykillers 9/10, Spring Breakers 7.5/10, Touch of Evil 8/10, The Purple Rose of Cairo, 9/10, My Cousin Vinny 7/10, Galaxy Quest 8/10, First Blood, 9/10, Arsenic and Old Lace, 7/10, Mad Max 2, 9/10, The Raid: Redemption, 9/10

Ratedargh
Feb 20, 2011

Wow, Bob, wow. Fire walk with me.

Chili posted:


7. Kramer vs. Kramer - Picked it for another poster, it looks good and is relevant to my profession. Probably worth a watch.


Here you go.


Now, Marketa Lazarova is something else. I have seen almost 200 movies from this thread and this is among my favourites. It may be the most creatively shot movie I've seen from here. At times it looks like a living painting and at others it evokes a first-person video game as the movie dives into a character's perspective.

But what really works in its favour is that it doesn't rest solely on its avant-garde techniques. There is a great story here of religious tension, feuding among families in the 13th century, and the value of faith. There is an excellent battle sequence on a hill between the two warring sides that is only a blip in the three hour runtime, but like many scenes it is memorable for a multitude of reasons and best exemplifies the qualities of the movie. The sequence is gorgeous, has strong character work as both sides use prisoners as bargaining chips (and further reveal that they probably all have the power to end the conflict bloodlessly...but, you know, pride) and it's also really funny. That was the biggest surprise. I was having a pretty lovely day and expected a three-hour Czech film with an avant-garde bent to be interminable...but I pressed on anyway. I'm glad I did, because there is plenty of levity and it never feels stupidly out of place. The pagan patriarch is batshit crazy, and whenever he threatens or insults the rival captain it generates a great laugh.

There are other scenes, too, that are funny. It's reminiscent of Don Quixote that way. Marketa Lazarova is a great, epic drama but is peppered with so many other tones and details. It feels really vibrant, alive. Just a wonderful movie.

LIST O SHAME:

1920s - Pandora's Box (1928) - Know next to nothing about it except a former co-worker was fascinated by it.

1930s - Earth (1930) - A Russian silent pretty high on the TSPDT top 1000.

1940s - Monsieur Verdoux (1947) - Later Chaplin, I've heard mixed things.

1950s - Nights of Cabiria (1957) - I'm pretty impressed by the Fellini I've seen, and I hear this is among his best.

1960s - Marnie (1964 - Who doesn't want more Hitchcock? And Sean Connery, apparently!

1970s - Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975) - Picked it up as part of last summer's B&N Criterion sale. Heard good to great things.

1980s - Cobra Verde (1987) - Time to watch more of my Herzog/Kinski box set I bought ages ago.

1990s - Topsy-Turvy (1999) - Saw a trailer for this when I was in high school. Thought it looked lame. I've since grown up a tad and have liked what I've seen from Mike Leigh (Happy Go-Lucky and Naked)

2000 and up - George Washington (2000) - The only film by David Gordon Green I have seen is Pineapple Express. Apparently his early films are nothing like that. Slight edit...I've since seen Prince Avalanche and liked it a ton.

Bonus/Random - Tootsie (1982) - My girlfriend was really surprised I hadn't seen this. Guess it's about time.

SHAME BE GONE:Wild Strawberries, Sunset Blvd., The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Our Man in Havana, Breathless, Phenomena, Withnail & I, 12 Angry Men, The Cranes Are Flying, Fitzcarraldo, Amadeus, Paths of Glory, Blow Out, Cronos, Hausu, City Lights, Easy Rider, The Lives of Others, Salo, In the Bedroom, The Killing of a Chinese Bookie, Cars, Brand Upon the Brain!, The Great Dictator, Double Indemnity, Point Blank, Cool Hand Luke, 127 Hours, Black Narcissus, Lawrence of Arabia, The Sting, A Woman is a Woman, Life of Brian, Last Picture Show, The Company of Wolves, Tree of Life, Life is Beautiful, Young Frankenstein, Cinema Paradiso, Some Like it Hot, Shotgun Stories, Singin' in the Rain, Precious, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, The Rules of the Game, Frost/Nixon, All About Eve, Bronson, The Searchers, Bicycle Thieves, American Graffiti, A Christmas Story, The Phantom Carriage, The Changeling, Repulsion, Kagemusha, Irreversible, The Virgin Spring, The Red Shoes, Deconstructing Harry, Metropolis, Che, The Island of Lost Souls, Revanche, Black Moon, Stalker, Manhattan Murder Mystery, Badlands, The Long Goodbye, Crimes and Misdemeanors, The Apartment, All About My Mother, Tokyo Story, Chungking Express, This is Spinal Tap, On the Waterfront, Grave of the Fireflies, Rebecca, The Sweet Hereafter, Peeping Tom, Drunken Angel, Duck Soup, Key Largo, Witness for the Prosecution, The Lady From Shanghai, Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages, Safety Last!, King Kong, Anatomy of a Murder, In a Lonely Place, Safe, Bad Day at Black Rock, The General, The Magnificent Ambersons, Five Easy Pieces, Porco Rosso, Mystery Train, Rififi, The King of Comedy, The Straight Story, The Kid, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Carlos, Onibaba, It Happened One Night, Sherlock Jr., Lone Star, Foreign Correspondent, The Last Detail, Young Mr. Lincoln, Rope, Mr. Hulot's Holiday, The Man Who Laughs, Husbands and Wives, Reds, Sweet Smell of Success, Shadow of a Doubt, The Purple Rose of Cairo, The African Queen, The Lower Depths, Frankenstein, Broadcast News, La Strada, The Last Laugh, Stagecoach, Alexander Nevsky, Don't Look Now, Fish Tank, Steamboat Bill, Jr., Days of Heaven, The Killer, Nosferatu, The Naked Kiss, The Friends of Eddie Coyle, Jules et Jim, Mon Oncle, Howl's Moving Castle, Y Tu Mama Tambien, A Night at the Opera, Berberian Sound Studio, The Natural, Kwaidan, The Color of Money, Fanny and Alexander, Repo Man, The Breakfast Club, The Passenger, The King of Marvin Gardens, The Goonies, Z, Ashes and Diamonds, L'Atalante, All Quiet on the Western Front, L'Age D'Or, The Earrings of Madame De..., La Notte, Europa, World on a Wire, Andrei Rublev, Dersu Uzala, Once Upon a Time in Anatolia, Brewster McCloud, Blast of Silence, Ordet, Bringing Up Baby, Pather Panchali, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, A Streetcar Named Desire, Bride of Frankenstein, Three Colors: White, Three Colors: Red, Kuroneko, A Hard Day's Night, Marketa Lazarova(TOTAL: 175)

Ratedargh fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jul 19, 2015

Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe
As you just picked a wonderful Dustin Hoffman film for me, it only feels suitable to return the favor for you. Check out Tootsie. There's some really awesome interviews Hoffman gave around his performance in it that are worth digging up as well.

Kramer vs. Kramer was wonderful. The establishment of the characters, their stakes and the acting that supported the characters was top notch.

There just a treasure trove of little scenes the really make this movie what they are, the french toast, the ice cream, the playground... a lot of this film will stick with me. The one complaint, and it is minor, is that the ending feels a little abrupt, but apart from that, I really did love this film.

9.5/10

1. Blue Ruin - Don't know much about this, heard it's exciting and it's a recent film I missed.

2. Strangers on a Train – Classic Hitchcock, this will get me closer to not feeling totally inept when it comes to him.

3. Certified Copy - Heard about this director for the first time from this thread a few pages back. Let's see how it goes!

4. Poolhouse Junkies :siren: List veteran as of Nov 6, 2013, poor lil' feller :siren: - Looks like fun.

5. Citizenfour - In general I tend to lean pretty hard on the side of "hero" as opposed to "traitor" when it comes to Snowden. Regardless, getting to watch this moment in history is something worthwhile in my mind. I've also heard it's just a very well done documentary.

6. Nightcrawler - Heard this is better than Taxi Driver. Not quite willing to believe that, but I'm certainly curious and open to being surprised.

7. *NEW* Ordinary People *NEW* - I'm keeping the number 7 slot open for movies that my mom picks for me. After I talked with her about how much I liked Kramer vs. Kramer, this was her next pick for me.

8. The Squid and the Whale - I like Eisenberg, but his performances have all felt somewhat similar. I've heard he's really good/different here.

9. Beasts Of The Southern Wild - All I know is that the kid is supposed to be great.

10. Ashes and Diamonds - There was some kind of list of famous director's favorite movies. A lot of directors I liked listed this and I had never heard of it. Let's go!

112 Total De-Shamed!

Yojimbo 7.5/10, Aliens 6.5/10, Brazil 8/10, Cool Hand Luke 9.5/10, 28 Days Later 6/10, Predator 8.5/10, Blade Runner 7.5/10,Crimes and Misdemeanors 9/10, Vertigo 7/10, Being There 7.5/10, Psycho 10/10, Apocalypse Now 7.5/10, Citizen Kane 8.5/10, Dr. Strangelove 7/10, Close Encounters of the Third Kind 8.5/10, The Bicycle Thief 7/10, Raging Bull 8/10, Ikiru 10/10, Terminator 2: Judgement Day 7/10, The Night of the Hunter 8.5/10 How to Train Your Dragon 6.5/10, There Will Be Blood 8/10, Manhattan 7/10, Rashomon 8.5/10, Unforgiven 8.5/10 The Third Man 9.5/10, Requiem For A Dream 4/10, Charade 5.5/10, Sunset Blvd. 8/10 , Badlands 6.5/10, Dead Man 8.5/10, On The Waterfront 9/10, Mad Max 6/10, Singin' In The Rain 9.5/10, Sleeper 7.5/10, Enter The Dragon 6.5/10, The Hustler 8/10 , The Town 9/10, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 5.5/10, Boogie Nights 7.5/10, Hanna 8.5/10, The Conversation 7.5/10, Serpico 8/10, Hoop Dreams 9/10, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind 8/10, Blood Simple 7.5/10, Roman Holiday 8.5/10, Miller's Crossing 8/10, M 7.5/10, Moonrise Kingdom 6.5/10, Rope 7/10, Tiny Furniture 1/10, On The Town 5.5/10, Gosford Park 5.5/10, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes, 8.5/10, City Lights 8.5/10, The Exorcist 6.5/10, California Split 7/10, Aguirre, The Wrath Of God 8/10, Following 8/10, The General 10/10, Barton Fink 8.5/10, Tombstone 8/10, The Hudsucker Proxy 9/10, Love Actually 6.5, La Dolce Vita 7/10, Chop Shop 9.5/10, Duck Soup 6/10, When Harry Met Sally 8/10, Tokyo Story 7/10, Kelly's Heroes 8/10, The Thing 8.5/10, Lost In Translation 9.5/10, Anchorman 6.5/10, Mulholland Dr. 8.5/10, Rebecca9/10, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans 7/10, Steamboat Bill Jr. 9/10, Double Indemnity 9/10, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum 6.5/10, The Man Who Wasn't There 8.10, Synecdoche, NY 10/10 , Leaving Las Vegas 9/10, The Hidden Fortress 8.5/10, Magnificent Seven 8/10, Dear Zachary -/10, The Fly 9/10, Time Bandits 6/10, Before Sunrise 6.5, The Buddy Holly Story 7/10, Pleasantville 7/10, The Rules of the Game 6/10, Senna 7.5/10, Kiki's Delivery Service 8/10, Gojira 9/10, The Blues Brothers 5/10, Notorious 7/10, Little Shop of Horrors 9/10 , The Last Starfighter 7/10, Rebel Without A Cause 8.5/10, Sherlock Jr. 7.5/10, Intolerable Cruelty, 9/10, The Ladykillers 9/10, Spring Breakers 7.5/10, Touch of Evil 8/10, The Purple Rose of Cairo, 9/10, My Cousin Vinny 7/10, Galaxy Quest 8/10, First Blood, 9/10, Arsenic and Old Lace, 7/10, Mad Max 2, 9/10, The Raid: Redemption, 8/10, Kramer vs. Kramer 9.5/10

The GOP Delusion
Sep 10, 2010

The security of Israel is a moral imperative for all free peoples.
Chili, watch Nightcrawler. I think Taxi Driver is the better film, but Nightcrawler was my film of the year 2014.

I watched Enter the Void - well, that was trippy. After the first twenty minutes, the crazy zipping around and rotating of the camera became completely natural. Significant parts of the film where Oscar is alive contain blinking whenever he would be blinking, the camera pans down to his feet when he looks downward; it's all very Being John Malkovich. Unlike a lot of films similar to this, the plot could not be simpler, and they explain everything at the beginning; there are very few wholly metaphorical scenes.

When I watch a film like this, I usually tend to towards the "unreal" analysis; it's a dream/hallucination. Not so here, for whatever reason; the way the film plays out by focusing a large amount of the movie on post-death events and reactions to it, while not really contributing any "out of place" events makes me think it's true within the film. For instance, in one of the two unreal sequences, Oscar flips his lightswitch; but it's on the wrong side of the mirror. We're told this was a dream moments later. A very enjoyable film actually, even with it's subject matter.

Shamelist:

1. Bad Lieutenant (1992) I really enjoyed Herzog's version, and it seems like there's no agreement on which one is better, so this must be good.

2. Stalker - I haven't Tarkovsky-ed.

3. Almost Famous - Everyone seems to have seen this already.

4. The Man Who Knew Too Much - Hitchcock.

5. The Exterminating Angel - I just watched Un Chien Andalou.

6. (500) Days of Summer - Something lighthearted.

7. Floating Weeds - Tokyo Story is the only movie that ever made me weep.

8. Thirst Heard it was good, haven't gotten around to it for a while. I'm a fan of Park Chan-Wook, so it's probably good


9. The Double Life of Veronique - Is this a good first Kieslowski?

10. Dead Ringers - I've seen Shivers, Videodrome, Eastern Promises and a History of Violence; I have no idea what to expect.


The Deer Hunter, Eraserhead, The Aviator, Enter the Void
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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
I get to pick GOP Delusion's next movie again - this time, Stalker.

Duel, for those who don't know, is a story (spoilers) about a man who is trying to get to work when some jerk cuts him off, keeps cutting him off, then starts showing how dangerous he is - he starts yelling at a random guy in a cafe and runs off without paying his tab, ruins a nice fence without even trying to contact the owner, is seen accosting children playing off the side of the road, etc., and it's clear that he is a danger to society and must be stopped. Our hero does this, but what's interesting is that the entire film is shown from the villain's perspective.

OK, seriously, it's not a bad movie, started off very good, but went on a bit too long. Also at the end you see that the door to the truck is open so the other driver got out but we don't see anything at all. I guess there was a point to that, and the FLAMMABLE truck which doesn't catch fire unlike the cheap car, but whatever. I'd put the first efforts of other '70s directors above Duel though it's still a good movie.

1. The Man with the Golden Arm - Sinatra is said to be incredible here.

2. An American In Paris - Let's try another musical :v: Gershwin though.

3. Scarface The Pacino version.

4. The Guns of Navarone One of those classic WW2 movies with a cavalcade of stars.

5. Cape Fear The 1962 version with Peck and Mitchum.

6. The Fallen Idol So the director and the writer of "The Third Man" went and did another thing together.

7. The Night of the Hunter for my film noir fix.

8. The Age of Innocence A Scorsese I haven't seen, and... well, I guess it has Daniel Day-Lewis?

9. The Three Colors Trilogy It has been brought up here a few times, I remember wanting to see it when it came out.

10. NEW The Last of the Mohicans Daniel Day Lewis version of course.

AFI meter: 70
IMDB 250 meter: 152
Oscar winners: 48

Movies watched: City Lights, Some Like It Hot, Annie Hall, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Dollars Trilogy, Bottle Rocket, Bonnie and Clyde, To Kill a Mockingbird, All About Eve, Breakfast at Tiffany's, The French Connection, To Catch a Thief, Infernal Affairs, The Aviator, The Best Years of Our Lives, Midnight Cowboy, The General, Once Upon a Time in the West, The Philadelphia Story, The Lion in Winter, The Duellists, Ben-Hur, Seven Samurai, Rocky, Kill Bill, 8 1/2, La Strada, Kundun, The Exorcist, Dog Day Afternoon, Anatomy of a Murder, Amarcord, Inframan, A Place in the Sun, Assault on Precinct 13, The Wicker Man, Spartacus, Death Proof, Days of Heaven, The Ladykillers (2014), Birdman, Intolerable Cruelty, The Conformist, Shane, A Man For All Seasons, El Cid, Casino, The Agony and the Ecstasy, Duel

friendo55
Jun 28, 2008

monster on a stick posted:

6. The Fallen Idol So the director and the writer of "The Third Man" went and did another thing together.

7. The Night of the Hunter for my film noir fix.

9. The Three Colors Trilogy It has been brought up here a few times, I remember wanting to see it when it came out.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...... I think because I'm up to my neck in film noir these days, taking that Film Noir online course, I'll give you The Night of the Hunter.

Chewy Bitems posted:

oh and congrats on passing the 100 mark friendo55!

Thank you Chewy! Cheers to 100 more.

Also, ratedargh, a fabulous writeup on Marketa Lazarova! I'm totally sold and need to pick that up before the B&N sale ends.


True Romance
First thing I thought of ...... this feels like Badlands! The score, and the female voiceover was exactly alike. Why is Hans Zimmer stealing from Terrence Malick?
Nonetheless, this was simply a fun movie to watch. There were movie references that didn't feel so forced and attempting to please like a more recent film, Me Earl & The Dying Girl. The back-and-forth between Christopher Walken's Vincenzo Coccotti and Dennis Hopper's Clifford Worley. The shootouts and the fun 90s violence. And I haven't read other reviews or researched this, but I noticed a few references to Tarantino's next film Pulp Fiction - both in the mentioning of 'a good burger' and the back & forth between stars Christian Slater & Patricia Arquette reminding me of Tim Roth & Amanda Plummer - only thing I didn't hear was "hunny bunny". I saw that Tony Scott directed this and it put me off after films like Man On Fire, Taking of Pelham 1,2,3, and especially Domino - so it's great that this doesn't belong in that category.



LIST

Doctor Zhivago **NEW** (2015.07.19) - another film I'll constantly put off, mainly due to runtime. Another one that truly belongs here.

The Fountain (2015.07.12) - I've noticed this come up way too many times, plus a good friend telling me to watch it for years now.

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2015.05.07) - a blind-purchase that I'll keep putting off otherwise; Fincher's film only seems to get more of a backlash as time moves on.

Only Angels Have Wings (2015.03.31) - highly respected film directed by Howard Hawks - a versatile yet overlooked director who I've barely scratched the surface of...

Peeping Tom (2015.07.12) - one of those films I should watch moreso than I want to watch. Perfect for this list!

The Right Stuff (2015.04.28) - a 3hr film I've always heard great things about that I'll never get around to.. unless I'm forced in this thread!

Shadow of a Doubt (2015.06.07) - a somewhat earlier Hitchcock film I've yet to see.

Still Life **OLDEST** (2015.03.08) - director Jia Zhangke has been a blind spot for so long now, and luckily I found this back when Blockbusters were still around. It's long overdue.

Syndromes and a Century **OLDEST** (2015.03.08) - another director who is a blindspot, and I believe it was FitFortDanga who had praised this film long ago & stuck with me.

That Obscure Object of Desire (2015.04.07) - this seems way too interesting and way too important to have not seen by now.



De-shamed Pt2: True Romance (4/5), [Total:101]

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

friendo55 posted:

Decisions, decisions, decisions...... I think because I'm up to my neck in film noir these days, taking that Film Noir online course, I'll give you The Night of the Hunter.

Link to film noir course, please.

Make sure to put a few modern Noir-inspired films on your list if you haven't seen them - the Coen's "Miller's Crossing" and "The Man Who Wasn't There."

friendo55
Jun 28, 2008

monster on a stick posted:

Link to film noir course, please.

Make sure to put a few modern Noir-inspired films on your list if you haven't seen them - the Coen's "Miller's Crossing" and "The Man Who Wasn't There."

Here's the link to the noir course.... it's about 3/4 the way through now, but you can still sign up for free and do all the quizzes at your own pace. The final exam is in two weeks I believe.

And with a nickname like 'friendo', I'd be ashamed if i hadn't already watched the Coen's best works. I'm already watching noir on my own where things like The Right Stuff & Doctor Zhivago definitely belong here. I did add 'Cry Danger' though which I watched recently.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut
Looks like Friendo is the last "content" post. I'll say watch The Right Stuff.

A few days ago, I watched a movie about religious fanatics exploiting and abusing their friends and society at large. They flout the laws of secular society and commit countless crimes, likely killing many people, but feel righteous because of their myopic spiritual convictions. That's right, I watched The Blues Brothers. Yeah, I was hoping to like it, but this movie sucked. I couldn't get over the fact that Jake and Elwood are just terrible people. When they run from the cops the first time, they drive through a shopping mall and cause hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property damage, and while they don't show it, I could easily see people being seriously injured. Later, they lead hundreds of cops on a massive car chase that result in dozens of police cars caught in a pileup, many of them flipped over, and it's pretty much a guarantee that some of them died.

At this point, someone will tell me that it's basically a live-action cartoon and I shouldn't take it so seriously. I get that, honestly, and I might accept it if the main characters had some admirable traits. They're "on a mission from God" to save an orphanage- aww, isn't that cute. But it's only $5,000- the damage they cause far outweighs that, and they don't seem to care. They also abuse their friends- the scene where they go to a fancy restaurant to humiliate their friend into joining their band is painful to watch. They guilt him into not calling the cops, but the owner eventually will if he doesn't. Also, there's Carrie Fischer chasing after and trying to kill them repeatedly, which is revealed to be because Jake left her at the altar. But then he lies about how much he loves her, only to abandon her again. Their "mission" succeeds too easily, as well. Their agent laughs at the notion that they could fill a stadium and make $5,000 in one night (I'll admit I laughed at their meeting the agent in a sauna, still wearing their suits), and then... they do. They just drive around for a few hours handing out fliers and talking out of a loudspeaker about their show, and thousands of people come to see this group they've never heard of? The whole thing is pointless, really. The nun at the beginning said she wouldn't take money from them because it's stolen, so they have to earn $5,000 legitimately. But if she finds out about all the crimes they committed in the process (and they'll clearly end up on the front page, so how could she not?), she'll certainly return that money as well.

Sorry, I don't get the appeal. I'm not against black comedies where everyone's a jerk (Archer is a fun show), but I don't feel that sort of self-awareness here. Maybe it is supposed to be that Jake and Elwood are unlikeable jerks but we go along because the stunts are well-crafted and the music is good. While I give the movie credit for that, it seems to play it straight with their "mission from God" nonsense, as well as the notion that they are the underdogs on the run from the police. They are underdogs, and it's impressive that they're able to stay ahead of the cops for so long, but that's only admirable if you like them and want them to succeed. And I couldn't get behind their mission, admirable as it was, when they cared not a whit for anyone who got in the way.

I've been dreading posting this review because I know people will tell me I'm taking it too seriously and I just don't appreciate comedy. So be it, but the fact is I didn't care about these jerks or their mission. I'll give it points for the music (with the number of talented musicians in the cast it'd be hard not to have good songs) and a few good gags, but on the whole it just didn't do it for me.

Rating: 2/4

101. Spartacus- In the end, aren't we all Spartacus? Yeah, I know how this one ends, but that's basically it. Also, I think it's popular among labor organizers.

102. Enchanted- I love Disney movies, but I also know their problems. I think this must have come out during the period when I was too old to be in Disney's target audience and too young to admit I still liked these sorts of movies without being embarrassed.

103. Judgment at Nuremberg- I had never heard about this until Slacktivist mentioned it. Sounds interesting.

107. Trois Couleurs: Blanc- I liked the first one, and I want to see where it goes next.

110. Ben-Hur- There's, like, chariots and stuff?

111. The Great Escape- There's some guys in a Nazi prison, and some of them escape. Spoilers!

112. The Bourne Ultimatum- I like this series- ready to finish it off (I doubt "Legacy" is worth my time).

115. Gojira- My brother watched a lot of Godzilla movies when we were kids, so I've seen a bunch of pieces, though I'm not sure I've ever seen one straight through (except for the Matthew Broderick one, which I don't think is near as bad as its reputation). However, I am aware that the original is much darker than the camp-fest the series became.

116. Boogie Nights- Uh, porn is bad. You shouldn't watch porn, m'kay?

117. Animal House- I was disappointed by The Blues Brothers, but I'll give John Belushi one more chance.

Okay, tell me what I’m watching!

Shame relieved: The Godfather: 3.5/4, The Godfather Part II: 4/4, Taxi Driver: 4/4, Casablanca: 4/4, Duck Soup: 2/4, Pulp Fiction: 4/4, Barton Fink: 3.5/4, Annie Hall:3/4, Rashomon: 4/4, Blade Runner: 3.5/4, Chinatown: 4/4, Nashville: 3.5/4, Goodfellas: 4/4, The Seven Samurai: 4/4, Superman: 2/4, The Exorcist: 3/4, A Face in the Crowd: 3.5/4, The Seventh Seal: 2.5/4, Treasure of the Sierra Madre: 3.5/4, Apocalypse Now: 4/4, 2001: A Space Odyssey: 2.5/4, The Deer Hunter: 3/4, Schindler's List: 4/4, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari: 3/4, Young Frankenstein: 3.5/4, Yojimbo: 3.5/4, Brazil: 3.5/4, Hamlet: 4/4, The Aviator: 4/4, Rocky: 3.5/4, Gandhi: 3.5/4, City Lights: 4/4, Battleship Potemkin: 3.5/4, Predator: 3/4, Easy Rider: 1.5/4, Platoon: 3.5/4, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: 4/4, Get Carter: 3.5/4, Full Metal Jacket: 4/4, My Dinner with Andre: 4/4, Lethal Weapon: 3/4, 3 Women: 4/4, Ikiru: 4/4, The Maltese Falcon: 2.5/4, Midnight Cowboy: 3/4, Gattaca: 4/4, Gone with the Wind: 3/4, Jaws: 4/4, The Bicycle Thief: 3/4, Sophie's Choice: 2/4, On the Waterfront: 4/4, North by Northwest: 3.5/4, Stagecoach: 3.5/4, E.T.: 2/4, Nosferatu: 4/4, Lawrence of Arabia: 4/4, Dirty Harry: 1/4, Vertigo: 3.5/4, Rebecca: 4/4, The Pink Panther: 3/4, Children of Men: 4/4, Wings of Desire: 3/4, Metropolis: 3.5/4, Born on the Fourth of July: 4/4, The Bridge on the River Kwai: 3.5/4, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: 4/4, Being John Malkovich: 3/4, Adaptation: 4/4, Bonnie and Clyde: 4/4, Goldfinger: 3/4, A Streetcar Named Desire: 4/4, Dog Day Afternoon: 3.5/4, Leon: The Professional: 4/4, 8 1/2: 3/4, Mulholland Drive: 4/4, 12 Angry Men: 4/4, Safety Last: 3.5/4, Dogville: 4/4, The Rapture: 2/4, Blue Velvet: 3/4, Irreversible: 4/4, Airplane!: 3.5/4, Tokyo Story: 2.5/4, Big Trouble in Little China: 3.5/4, American Psycho: 3.5/4, Dr. Zhivago: 3/4, Leaving Las Vegas:4/4, The Bourne Identity: 4/4, Out of Africa: 3/4, The Usual Suspects: 3/4, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang: 4/4, Rain Man: 3.5/4, The Lost Weekend: 3.5/4, Ratatouille: 3/4, City of God: 4/4, Ed Wood: 4/4, Top Gun: 2.5/4, Trois Couleurs: Bleu: 3.5/4, The Hidden Fortess: 3/4, First Blood: 4/4, The Ten Commandments:3.5/4, Patton: 3.5/4, The Bourne Supremacy:3.5/4, King Lear (1983): 2.5/4, Repo Man: 2.5/4, King Kong: 3.5/4, Wall Street: 3/4, The Blues Brothers: 2/4

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
The Blues Brothers is bad and unfunny.

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Chili
Jan 23, 2004

college kids ain't shit


Fun Shoe
Yeah, you had no reason to fear. I watched Blues Brothers as a result of this thread and I hated it as much, maybe more, than you did. When I posted a bad review, I was met generally with similar reactions.

Someone described as a comedy that forgets to be funny, and I couldn't agree with that sentiment more.

My Old Review posted:

You know, for awhile I wasn’t sure if Blues Brothers was too smart or too stupid. But somewhere around the 10th horrible sight gag, I think I decided on the latter. I may be chastised for this but I think Tenacious D does their thing a lot better than The Blues Brother does the same type of thing. My understanding is that this premise started as a successful SNL sketch and I totally believe that, you can certainly pull apart a solid 4 minutes out of this concept. But if you’re gonna go and demand that these characters carry a full 2 hours and 15 minutes (that runtime was totally out of control by the way) you really need to give the characters some dimension apart from being deadpan. The music was good, but for the most part, all of the songs are not versions I’d prefer listening to over the originals.

All in all, I just wasn’t impressed by this. It wasn’t funny, I didn’t laugh, and I really couldn’t give less of a poo poo about anything going on in this. What’s a shame is that I can’t think of a comedy that started off with a stronger 10 minutes. Jake’s exit from the prison was shot beautifully and the scene with “The Penguin” had me thinking that this was going to be some trippy rear end magical realistic journey…

Oh well, it just felt really stupid.

Edit; That someone was Magic Hate Ball AKA That ^^^ guy. Should have figured.

Chili fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 20, 2015

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