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Arglebargle III posted:Jesus christ you're all insane! You want Muk to throw another punch to do maybe four damage when her leg is literally about to snap off!? You have two* lasers and an autocannon! SHOOT THE FUCKER! 18 damage is more than 4! You can't keep hoping the dice will give you a break, even if they do the chance of incapacitating the Lucerne is tiny, you are out of options, SHOOT THE BASTARD! Incapacitating the Lucerne is not the mission objective.
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Arglebargle III posted:Jesus christ you're all insane! You want Muk to throw another punch to do maybe four damage when her leg is literally about to snap off!? You have two* lasers and an autocannon! SHOOT THE FUCKER! 18 damage is more than 4! You can't keep hoping the dice will give you a break, even if they do the chance of incapacitating the Lucerne is tiny, you are out of options, SHOOT THE BASTARD! Turn 19: Mukai shoots the Lucerne, does solid damage, but fails to destroy mech. Turn 20: The Lucerne and the Mugger open fire with everything. The Zeus is vaporized. Mission Failed.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:04
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Mukaikubo posted:You think that my other leg has any more substance to it at this point? Your right leg will actually survive another kick baring a lucky critical.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:05
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AtomikKrab posted:he could get lucky and hit something vital like ammo, he might get knocked down in the counter without a leg, but he can work that with the last clanner for one more turn... or work something this one.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:05
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KnoxZone posted:Turn 19: Mukai shoots the Lucerne, does solid damage, but fails to destroy mech. OTOH... Turn 19: Kick. Possible loss of leg, in which case machine goes down. Turn 20: Fire while prone to buy one more turn. The Zeus may go down, but that puts us at victory.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:07
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Magni posted:Your right leg will actually survive another kick baring a lucky critical. The right leg only has 3 structure left. It just wasn't updated in the mech status part.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:08
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KnoxZone posted:Turn 19: Mukai shoots the Lucerne, does solid damage, but fails to destroy mech. Nice format. Turn 19: Back up, fall down. Turn 20: Stand up, get kicked Turn 21: Win, make snappy comments about buying time
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Apr 18, 2011 21:08
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Magni posted:Your right leg will actually survive another kick baring a lucky critical. B5 Lucerne kicks L2 Zeus (4 base + 0 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods + 1 Steel Viper in Melee Combat - 1 kick = 5): rolled 7, hit Right Leg (3/17 structure remains)! Critical chance! B5 Lucerne kicks L2 Zeus (4 base + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods + 1 Steel Viper in Melee Combat - 1 kick = 7): rolled 7, hit Left Leg (0/24 armor, 8/17 structure remains)! Critical chance! Neither leg can take anything else.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:09
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Xmas Future posted:An ammo crit wouldn't kill the clanner, it has CASE. Still two pilot hits and a relatively steep PSR, though. Mukaikubo posted:B5 Lucerne kicks L2 Zeus (4 base + 0 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods + 1 Steel Viper in Melee Combat - 1 kick = 5): rolled 7, hit Right Leg (3/17 structure remains)! Critical chance! Welp, I was looking at the status farther down.  Edit: And now PTS edited it, too.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:13
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Dude, there's no shame in surrendering, you went way further then anyone thought you would including standing with no feet. poo poo was epic, but poo poo is over.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:13
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..... I mean, why havn't you pushed him down the hill again? You've had several chances to push him down the hill into the fire and it worked great last time! I guess you will loose your leg this turn but he will still be hurting if you succeed in pushing him. Not much you can do except hoping he will wiff his kick and fall otherwise.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:14
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SageSepth posted:Dude, there's no shame in surrendering, you went way further then anyone thought you would including standing with no feet. poo poo was epic, but poo poo is over.  Surrender? The Unwearied Second does not surrender!
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SageSepth posted:Dude, there's no shame in surrendering, you went way further then anyone thought you would including standing with no feet. poo poo was epic, but poo poo is over. Leutnant Samantha Clover will not yield so long as she is capable of fighting, however hobbled. quote:..... Because as per last time I tried, the Lucerne got a PSR to avoid falling over on its rear end, and with his skill roll I don't think that's particularly worth considering at this point.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:18
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Mukaikubo posted:Leutnant Samantha Clover will not yield so long as she is capable of fighting, however hobbled. Counterargument: these woods are made out of slip-and-slides and any fall has a good chance of knocking Sam out again.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:21
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I think this fight was lost when the Steiner Rules were introduced. Can you imagine how much easier it would have gone had Marik Rules been introduced instead? The Lucerne and Mugger must fight amongst each other, civil war style, with the winner allowed to fight the Zeus.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:23
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KnoxZone posted:I think this fight was lost when the Steiner Rules were introduced. Can you imagine how much easier it would have gone had Marik Rules been introduced instead? The Lucerne and Mugger must fight, with the winner allowed to fight the Zeus. Marik Rules would have the players shooting at each other for twenty turns while the Clans stand there wondering what the gently caress is going on. Also, a nuke will be involved that only judicious use of machineguns will save everyone from.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Marik Rules would have the players shooting at each other for twenty turns while the Clans stand there wondering what the gently caress is going on. Also, a nuke will be involved that only judicious use of machineguns will save everyone from. Like I said: Easy win.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:26
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PoptartsNinja posted:Marik Rules would have the players shooting at each other for twenty turns while the Clans stand there wondering what the gently caress is going on. Also, a nuke will be involved that only judicious use of machineguns will save everyone from. Are you saying the machineguns are used to shoot down the nuclear explosion coming at you, because I can totally get behind this.
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At this point, I think explaining my rationale (as I did to PTN in a PM) might help things. Or it might set everything on fire with YOU IDIOT MUKAI again. Who can say? At this point I am down to trying to pick the least worst of a veritable bouquet of feces for an order. Do I come about and push him down the hill, knowing that I will lose a leg on a roll of, oh, 5 or more for his attack on a 2d6 and THEN fall and take damage- with a 50/50 shot of knocking me out? While hoping he fails a PSR at 4 to fall down himself to keep him from coming after me quite so effectively on turn 20? Do I run into the open and deliver one last pair of punches hoping for an absolute miracle to blow half his torso apart and make him fail a consciousness check from the damage? Or do I backflop into the burning woods while making what appears to be a good faith effort to present a more heavily armored section of my mech to his foot- a valid action in a duel- and hope I can stand up on turn 20 and give him one last boot before the time limit ends and just hope like hell none of my falls end the game via unconsciousness? I passed the point of having options I liked about 10 turns ago. At this point, it is clawing for turns- and I figure this is still the least worst option. Despite the second guessing; which, I should note, is totally fine. In the end, I had to pick an action that might end the game for myself. Because I figured the odds were very, very marginally better of winning if I did. No regrets.
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Mukaikubo posted:At this point, I think explaining my rationale (as I did to PTN in a PM) might help things. Or it might set everything on fire with YOU IDIOT MUKAI again. Who can say? Does it involve machineguns or machinegun ammo? Otherwise, you're a fool.
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TildeATH posted:Does it involve machineguns or machinegun ammo? Otherwise, you're a fool. Incidentally, I am offering 15% odds of a Steiner victory at this point. Seems about right given the hurdles left. Whatever happens, this has been far too much fun, and I am going to have to knife fight someone in future contests for the right to cameo or do other stuff in future fights to try to wring a little more fun out- since the queue at this point means I will next show up in the rotation in, oh, 2013 or so! 
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Apr 18, 2011 21:32
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You should have asked for a few minutes break while you found your dropped contact lens.
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goatface posted:You should have asked for a few minutes break while you found your dropped contact lens. That's a convenient technology that makes perfect sense, so it's probably LosTech.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:34
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TildeATH posted:Are you saying the machineguns are used to shoot down the nuclear explosion coming at you, because I can totally get behind this. No, machine guns save you because they don't use heat.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:36
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Who would like a little video to get you all in the right mood for the denouement of this battle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNBJ5o-b7s Sadness at the loss- pride at the fight. "They never ran out of courage. But in the end, they ran out of time."
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Apr 18, 2011 22:06
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"They were never defeated, they were only killed." --saying about the
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run down a level, to present heavier armor, torso twist and punch his legs.
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Apr 18, 2011 22:12
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Very hard to accomplish when it takes 4 mp to run down the hill you're referring to (1 for the hex, 1 for the level change, 2 for the heavy woods); and you have only 3 mp and need to turn around first.
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I've been looking for the first color plate from FM:LA ("Through solidarity, we will triumph!") for days, but I am not sure it exists without me destroying my book.
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Apr 18, 2011 22:17
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I recommend a Blazing Saddles style "Nobody move or the friend of the family gets it!" moment of holding yourself hostage to stall for time.
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Defiance Industries posted:I've been looking for the first color plate from FM:LA ("Through solidarity, we will triumph!") for days, but I am not sure it exists without me destroying my book. Camospecs probably has it. Which unit are you looking for, exactly? 2nd Donegal Guards
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Nah, it's a LCAF recruiting poster from 3061, I think? All the Field Manuals had a recruitment poster for the first of the color insert pages. Some were awesome, and some (ComStar) were hideous. Though I have congratulated the guy who did that Griffin personally cause holy poo poo.
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Going through my PDFs, I think I might post some of this stuff. It's, uh, 15 years in the future (Era Report 3052) but it's either this or the 80s FASA art for the major players. So enjoy. For what it's worth it is the most recent art of most of these people. Here's Archon Melissa Steiner.  First Prince  Khan Natasha Kerensky.  And Coordinator Takashi Kurita. 
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Mukai just ask for the unconditional surrender of the Clanners. The pure confusion it would induce and balls of the statement should buy at least a turn or two. -edit- 80's hair ahoy!
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Vipers of Somerset: Tactical Update 20 Movement Phase Random Ace Beta: B5 Lucerne! Random Ace Gamma: G2 Unknown Assault 2! L2 backs into hex 1608—insufficient MP, L2 Zeus falls! L2 Zeus suffers falling damage to Right Arm (14/22 armor remains), Right Leg (0/17 structure remains)! ‘Mech disabled! L2 Zeus must make a piloting test to avoid pilot damage (5 base + 0 hexes moved + 1 previously destroyed foot actuator + 1 trying to avoid pilot damage + 5 leg destroyed = 12): rolled 5, fails! L2 Zeus must pass a 7+ consciousness test: rolled 3, fails! B4 Mugger walks to 1413! Combat Phase: L2 Zeus holds fire L2 Zeus gains 1 heat, sinks 17! Now at Overheat 0! B4 holds fire! B4 Mugger gains 2 heat, sinks 28! Now at overheat 0! B5 Lucerne holds fire! B5 Lucerne gains 0 heat, sinks 26! Now at overheat 0! End Phase Physical Combat Phase: End Phase: L2 Zeus gains 10 heat due to fire, sinks 17! Now at overheat 0! B5 Lucerne gains 10 heat due to fire, sinks 26! Now at overheat 0! Consciousness Rolls for the next 5 turns: 3, 5, 3, 4, 7 (this battle is over) Sam’s retreat was the correct decision intellectually, tactically, and every other way that mattered—her battered Zeus couldn’t stand up under another kick and she knew it. Unfortunately, it wasn’t the wise choice mechanically. The Zeus’ legs, stressed by heat and the tortuous beating at the hands of the Lucerne, just didn’t work. Certainly, the actuators worked—but the myomer musculature that supported the eighty-ton death machine barely responded to Sam’s controls. Her first step backwards was also her last; her ‘Mech’s right leg screamed as tortured, fatigued metal simply sheared off just above the knee. Sam had been expecting a fall, planning on it—but not so soon. She’d been hoping for a controlled slide down the hill; a fall that would let her minimize the threat of her own cockpit. Instead, she just rattled around inside it like the last bean in a tin-can as her ride came crashing down onto the forest floor. Caught between her left joystick and her primary monitor, Sam’s arm snapped like a twig. The last thing she noticed before blacking out were vibrant green laser pulses as the Clanner—either out of some misguided mercy or darker motives—began blasting the forest around her to splinters. He probably just wants a look at my ‘Mech, she thought darkly as she fell back into unconsciousness. Enemy Forces: B4 Mugger: Waiting to move! B5 Lucerne: Remains stationary! G1 Unknown Assault 1: Remains Stationary! G2 Unknown Assault 2: Remains Stationary! G3 Unknown Assault 3: Remains Stationary! G4 Unknown Assault 4: Remains Stationary! G5 Unknown Assault 5: Remains Stationary! Mission Objectives Defeat Beta Star! (Failed) Survive! (19/20 Turns) (Failed)  Ace Note: Previous turn's movement will be in black, current turn's movement will be in green! Whoops Note: I forgot to put the Mugger on the map. Whoops. CP-10-Z Cyclops Notes: Destroyed by ammunition explosion! ZEU-6S Zeus Weight: 80 tons (Assault) HD A(S): 4/9 (3/3) LT A(S): 18/18 (17/17) LT R A(S): 6/6 CT A(S): 21/26 (25/25) CT R A(S): 9/9 RT A(S): 10/18 (17/17) RT R A(S): 3/6 LA A(S): 4/22 (13/13) RA A(S): 14/22 (13/13) LL A(S): 0/24 (8/17) RL A(S):0/24 (0/17) Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None Heat Sinks: 17 Movement: 4/6/0 Mechwarrior: Pilot 5, Gunnery 4 Mechwarrior Name: Leutnant Samantha Clover Mechwarrior Player: Mukaikubo Mechwarrior Status: Sprained Back, Severe Concussion, Broken Arm (consciousness 7+)! Armament: Large Laser – LT (Heat: 8, Range: (L:15 M:10 S:5), Status: OK!) LRM 15 – RA (Heat: 5, Ammo: 1, Range: (L:21 M:14 S:7 Min:6), Status: OK!) Medium Laser (REAR) – LT(R) (Heat: 3, Range: (L:9 M:6 S:3), Status: OK!) Medium Laser – CT (Heat: 3, Range: (L:9 M:6 S:3), Status: OK!) Autocannon/5 – LA (Heat: 1, Ammo: 1, Range: (L:18 M:12 S:6 Min:3), Status: OK!) Critical Damage: Left Foot Actuator Destroyed! Right Foot Actuator Destroyed! Notes: No hands BNC-3S Banshee Notes: ‘Mech destroyed, pilot killed! WLF-1 Wolfhound Notes: ‘Mech destroyed, pilot taken by the Clans! Rommel Tank: Notes: Tank destroyed, crew escaped into the woods! Enemy Status Beta Krait B1 Battle Cobra Critical Damage: Destroyed! Notes: Counts as rough terrain! B2 Thunderchild Tonnage: 50 Critical Damage: Right Arm Destroyed! Notes: Retreated off map! B3 Copperhead Critical Damage: None! Notes: Forced off map! B4 Mugger Tonnage: 65 Target: CP-10-Z Cyclops! Critical Damage: None! Pilot Name: Mechwarrior Azael Pilot: Piloting 4, Gunnery 3 Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None! Armament: Unknown Notes: B5 Lucerne Tonnage: 65 Target: ZEU-6S Zeus Critical Damage: None! Pilot Name: Mechwarrior Drang Pilot: Piloting 4, Gunnery 3 Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None! Armament: Unknown Notes: Equipped with ECM, using ECM to generate Ghost Targets! Gamma Boa G1 Unknown Assault Tonnage: 80 Target: None Possible! Critical Damage: None! Pilot Name: ??? Pilot: Piloting 4, Gunnery 3 Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None! Armament: Unknown Notes: G2 Unknown Assault Tonnage: 80 Target: None Possible! Critical Damage: None! Pilot Name: ??? Pilot: Piloting 4, Gunnery 3 Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None! Armament: Unknown Notes: G3 Unknown Assault Tonnage: 85 Target: None Possible! Critical Damage: None! Pilot Name: ??? Pilot: Piloting 4, Gunnery 3 Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None! Armament: Unknown Notes: G4 Unknown Assault Tonnage: 90 Target: None Possible! Critical Damage: None! Pilot Name: ??? Pilot: Piloting 4, Gunnery 3 Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None! Armament: Unknown Notes: G5 Unknown Assault Tonnage: 95 Target: None Possible! Critical Damage: None! Pilot Name: Star Colonel Dusk Pilot: Piloting 2, Gunnery 1 Heat: 0/30 Overheat Penalty: None! Armament: Unknown Notes: After-Action Report: Ouch, our first loss of the LP. This will have ramifications. You won’t get to see exactly what until the story update; but there are a lot of forces in motion right now. That said, I was expecting this to go far, far worse for the players. The turn the Banshee took that headshot, I figured it was all over. We need MVPs again, for the 2nd Donegal Guards and for the Steel Vipers; and I imagine this one’s going to be really close. Since your also probably curious, the current status of the Clan ‘Mechs is: B4 Mugger HD A(S): 2 armor remains LT A(S): 17 armor remains LT R A(S): 9 armor remains CT A(S): 16 armor remains CT R A(S): 8 armor remains RT A(S): 17 armor remains RT R A(S): 9 armor remains LA A(S): 8 armor remains RA A(S): 13 armor remains LL A(S): 0 armor, 8 structure remains RL A(S): 16 armor remains B5 Lucerne HD A(S): 9 armor remains LT A(S): 5 armor remains LT R A(S): 8 armor remains CT A(S): 11 armor remains CT R A(S): 10 armor remains RT A(S): 2 armor remains RT R A(S): 8 armor remains LA A(S): 4 armor remains RA A(S): 0 armor remains LL A(S): 28 armor remains RL A(S): 15 armor remains So yeah, you really beat the hell out of ‘em. Congratulations, guys; this scenario was designed to be tough as hell and you came within inches of pulling it off anyway.
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That was the style in the 80s, and then again for much of the mid-31st century.
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All things considered despite the loss I'd say it's hard to feel bad about the outcome. We went up against a superior Clan force and almost pulled out a victory, and we didn't give up until our machines could take no more Still I think we may have pulled it off if the Banshee hadn't been taken out so quickly.
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Goodnight, sweet princess. For MVP: I think I am going with the Cyclops for the work it did on my Thunderchild and the Copperhead, and the Mugger for taking out the Wolfhound and Cyclops, while also savaging the Rommel. KnoxZone fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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Our MVP has got to be Samantha, for making up Steiner Rules and buying us a ton of time. Theirs is... probably the one that head-capped the Banshee, cause that changed everything. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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