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puppets freak me out posted:Hell is other people, after all. In this timeline, I'd argue that Hell is probably French Australia. Certainly the climate and terrain is similar.
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Yeah I'll vote for the Imperialists once to research good botes and then just spam Socialists the rest of the game because come on we deserve SOMETHING good to happen to Al-Andalus for once, right?
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lol if you think the socialist party will have the guts to release colonies if it gets in power. e. vvv Sounds like a good way to pass a socialist reform if you ask me 
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LOL if you think a country whose voting policy is that only the richest ~3% of the population is able to vote will be able to keep a Socialist government going for long. Hashim will have to keep them in power solely through royal fiat (monarchies can have the ruler just...select...the ruling party...over the objections of the voters) and the current Sultan probably wouldn't be inclined for that. Even if we did, we'd get massive militancy boosts for overturning election results where the Socialists are probably going to get >5% of the vote and just declaring them in charge.
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Actually we should just vote moderates, now and forever.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't think any mega-LPs have gone socialist yet, but Al Andalus may have the best shot. The Teutonic Order LP way back in the day did, as well as the aforementioned Byzantine LP.
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Patter Song posted:LOL if you think a country whose voting policy is that only the richest ~3% of the population is able to vote will be able to keep a Socialist government going for long. Hashim will have to keep them in power solely through royal fiat (monarchies can have the ruler just...select...the ruling party...over the objections of the voters) and the current Sultan probably wouldn't be inclined for that. Even if we did, we'd get massive militancy boosts for overturning election results where the Socialists are probably going to get >5% of the vote and just declaring them in charge. I haven't played Victoria 2, but if the socialists are in power wouldn't they let the lower classes vote?
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rudecyrus posted:The Byzantine Empire LP had a communist takeover. Wish she hadn't abandoned it. When it comes to our fair Al Andalus what we need to do is to be extra harsh on liberals and socialists and time a decision comes to be harsh, be harsh, what could happen, they get pissed off enough to have a bigger revolt then the last? Also we need to make people extra happy with our newly empowered Sultan by focusing on political thought that can justify his fair and even handed rule. We furthermore should try justifying wars if possible, Make Al Andalus great again, sned hte armies on great conquest abroad, and finally build more factories. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jul 29, 2018 |
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Tiger Crazy posted:Full facisim please.  This crazy tiger might be onto something.
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Hey if you get all the way to HOI4, are you going to use it's simplistic four parties/factions feature, or something more along the lines of Kaisereichs?
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Flavius Aetass posted:I haven't played Victoria 2, but if the socialists are in power wouldn't they let the lower classes vote? We'd need to pass political reforms, and the Socialists might want to do that, but actually doing so can be a bit trickier. Even if they do, reforms go in steps, and Landed is many steps from Universal. Our new Socialist Party is probably Full Citizenship, though, which at least means they'd automatically do away with the ethnic barriers to voting while in power and say that people who hit the required wealth criteria can vote regardless of their culture.
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I mean it IS worth remembering that narratively speaking, whatever our other inclinations, Al-Andalus has a long history of outreach to minority ethnic and religious groups. While the reactionaries obviously never would go for it, it's not hard to imagine socialists policies passing through the majils on occasion simply as a placating move.
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Maybe we need to keep focusing on the political thought while taking every chance we can to promote repression and build factories, especially ones that might not always be profitable.....
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Jul 29, 2018 07:04
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Crowsbeak posted:Wish she hadn't abandoned it. She hasn't, HoI IV conversion just takes a long-rear end time and so the thread accidentally fell into archives. Work on the mod is definitely still ongoing and relatively close to a playable state too.
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sheep-dodger posted:She hasn't, HoI IV conversion just takes a long-rear end time and so the thread accidentally fell into archives. Oh cool. Sorry, I just remember after 11/9 She seemed to really not be into it, so I thought she abandoned it.
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MaxieSatan posted:Are you implying that the self-proclaimed defenders of liberty would sell out their principles because they're more interested in turning a profit? Profits have that quality of avoiding collapse later on. Well, as most know, the most efficient social democrats will run the most profitable economies later on (just not the communists or command economy socialists), as they eventually learn how price fixing destroys everything (most importantly the flow of information that market prices provides), and instead favor strong redistributive taxes approaching 50% in a social democratic welfare state and prosperous liberal economies with GINIs in the low 20s in the most successful countries of the variety (and moving towards UBI), which would also be the richest states in the world with numerous fair trade laws enacted. But since this is Vicky we should just go communist or fascist, since it's mainly about controlling construction of factories, and the AI capitalists are retarded. rarx fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Jul 29, 2018 |
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Finally, the Sultan is taking his rightful place above the traitorous Majlis slime who plot only to ruin our great nation. Hopefully the fine men in the SGA put a stop to this talk of socialist empowerment.
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Crowsbeak posted:Hey if you get all the way to HOI4, are you going to use it's simplistic four parties/factions feature, or something more along the lines of Kaisereichs? HOI4 is a massive pain to mod a total conversion for, so if I decide to go beyond victoria 2, I'll definitely be keeping everything as simple as possible, I would literally spend years building the mod otherwise.
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sheep-dodger posted:She hasn't, HoI IV conversion just takes a long-rear end time and so the thread accidentally fell into archives. That's great news to hear it's still going on, at least.
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I waited years for the Virtue's Last Reward LP. Let's do this 
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Chapter 8 - World of 1865 It’s been over a quarter-century since the Congress of Cádiz first met, a great conference that saw hundreds of diplomats and emissaries meet to determine the future of a war-torn Europe, to establish an enduring balance of power in the continent, to promote monarchism and absolutism, to counter radical ideals and revolutionary movements, and to avoid another conflict as devastating and destructive as the Tirruni Wars. It’s been just a quarter-century, and the Congress has already failed.  The world of 1865 is very different from what it was just twenty-five years ago. Empire-building has shifted from outright conquest to sphering smaller states, ambitious unions have been borne from war and turmoil, and rising nationalism has led to new nation-states taking their place on the world stage. And changing with the world around them, the Great Powers have rearranged themselves, with the Dual Monarchy of France-England supplanting Morocco as the world’s leading power. Nipping at their heels is the South German Union, a Bavarian-led federation with ambitious aims to eventually unite Germany. Just behind them is Japan, a revolutionary republic on the edge of the world, unproven and untested against the true great powers. Hannover and Russia follow, both having collapsed to invasion and revolution, massively damaging their prestige on the world stage.  And not far behind them, we come to the Sultanate of Al Andalus, having just solidified their place amongst the great powers. Al Andalus has prospered over the past three decades, with twenty long years devoted solely to peace, reconstruction and industrialisation. This antebellum would quickly be followed by the Iberian War in 1858, however, a three-front conflict in which Al Andalus battled against the combined forces of Morocco, León-Castille, Qattalun, Italy and Palermo - and emerged victorious. With that, Al Andalus retains its position as the dominant power in Iberia, with only the rump Qattalun emirate and Moroccan toehold standing in the way of complete control of the peninsula.  Unsurprisingly, reactionaries and conservatives remain dominant in the Majlis - the upper house of Al Andalus - but liberals and socialists have been making steady gains in recent years, despite adamant opposition from the larger parties. In retaliation, the Majlis lurches in the opposite direction, infuriating many by granting greater powers to Sultan Utbah, who has already begun wielding his newfound powers to great effect.   In terms of population, there has been positive growth despite the plagues and blights that hit Iberia in the 1840s, with the working male populace climbing from 3.5 million to 5.8 million, and the overall population now nearing 25 million people. The vast majority are Sunni Andalusi, but under the recent rule of the Royalist Faction, record numbers of Portuguese and Castilians have also been converting to Islam, hoping to benefit from the many boons granted to those who adhere to the state religion.  And our largest city is Qadis, to the surprise of nobody, with the capital of Al Andalus retaining its position as the most populous city in Europe. With Qadis currently boasting 560,000 working males, the closest competitors are in Dublin’s 450,000 male inhabitants, followed by Hanover and Paris trailing just behind.  The economy of Al Andalus is also prospering, despite the excessive military spending espoused by the Royalists, allowing the government to repay their war debts and raise education funding.  In terms of industry, the strong foundation laid down by the Moderates has allowed internal production to flourish in Al Andalus, with capitalists taking the reigns and constructing dozens of new factories throughout the peninsula.    As for infrastructure, the Moderates had initiated an ambitious railroad project that eventually culminated in the opening of the Two Capitals Railway early in 1855, with state-of-the-art steam locomotives transporting passengers, hauling cargo and shipping freight between Qadis and Tulaytullah. With the ascent of the Royalists in the Majlis, however, railway fever has gradually begun to ebb, resulting in little enthusiasm for funding for new projects in eastern and northern Iberia.  Technologically, the Royalists have devoted their energies and resources to modernising the standing army, in terms of both tactics and equipment. The reactionaries have also supported various cultural programs and initiatives when possible, but industry research has been falling behind in recent years, and naval technology is practically non-existent, with the Andalusi Fleet currently consisting of a few wooden transports.      Finally, and most importantly, the Andalusi Army enjoys a hard-earned reputation as one of the strongest and most disciplined forces in the world. Once returned to full strength, the Andalusi Army will number 90,000 soldiers, all well-drilled and experienced, armed with the latest weaponry and led by capable, accomplished officers. A further 235,000 green, untrained recruits can be conscripted from the general populace in extreme circumstances, but that has been avoided thus far, with Al Andalus comfortably winning its two most recent wars.  Pulling back from Iberia, Europe as a whole has changed drastically over the past two decades, dominated by a struggle between two great powers: the Dual Monarchy and the South German Union. Their neighbours in Hannover and the Celtic Union have been in steep decline, both having suffered disastrous defeats on the battlefield, whilst the Russian Empire has gradually been drifting towards isolationism.  The Dual Monarchy and South German Union are two sides of the same coin, but one was borne from violent war, and the other through peaceful unification. Whilst the Dual Monarchy is content with its current borders, the South German Union has ambitions to eventually unify all Germans under their flag… but that would include the Rhine Confederacy, a principality firmly within the French sphere of influence, thus guaranteeing conflict between the two powers in the near future.   One of the main players in the wars to come is the Almoravid Sultanate of Morocco, which currently stands amongst the world’s strongest powers, second only to the Dual Monarchy. This position is largely owed to their prospering industry and strong naval tradition, especially since their standing army is an utter wreck, as evidenced by their crushing defeat in the Iberian War. Morocco quickly bounced back from that disaster, however, somehow forging a powerful alliance with the Dual Monarchy - thus uniting the two strongest powers in the world - forcing Al Andalus and the South German Union to retaliate by founding their own alliance. This tenuous balance of power cannot hope to last, however, and the two blocs will clash sooner or later. And when they do, Europe will descend into mourning as half the continent is set aflame.  Finally, we come to the declining powers in Hannover and Russia, with the former having lost two wars in quick succession, and the latter having capitulated to liberal revolutionaries. But despite being forced to the peripheries, both are still very capable of resurging and retaliating, with dignitaries in Hanover and Smolensk already plotting to take the fight to the usurpers in the west.   There’s little doubt that a new concert has been established in Europe, with the swift wars, secret alliances, mutual agreements and peaceful settlements of the past twenty-five years giving rise to new spheres of influence in the continent. The Dual Monarchy has supremacy in the West, with French armies stationed in Provence, Lorraine, Liege and the Rhine Confederacy. The South German Union has already installed diplomats and advisors in Italy and much of north Germany, with only Hannover standing defiant. Al Andalus fought a short war to assert its authority in Palermo, overthrowing the young democracy and installing a puppet emir. The Celtic Union continues to meddle in the Balkans, Morocco has maintained its influence in Greece, and Russia retains hegemony in Eastern Europe. This is the Concert of 1865.  The strong monarchial tradition, recent wars and chronic instability that has plagued the continent comes with far-reaching repercussions, however, including a flood of emigrants fleeing westward, to the more peaceful nations of the new world, where land is plentiful and riches are only a hard day’s work away. Or so they say. Russia has suffered the greatest loss, followed by Al Andalus and the Dual Monarchy, with most of these refugees escaping to Albionoria and the Berber Union.  Migration mapmode on the 5th of February, 1865. Moving to North Africa, Morocco remains the dominant power in the continent, but its neighbours are quickly climbing the ranks and may well challenge the Almoravids for their crown before very long.  Crusader Egypt has effectively modernised its army in recent years, with their professional forces emerging victorious from a massive war against an Ethiopian-Arabian alliance, a far cry from their abysmal performance during the Tirruni Wars. King Apanoub followed this triumph up by formally annexing the Sudan into his empire, crushing the blood-wars and tribal feuding that plagued the vast region, and now sets his sights on Cyrenaica and Libya to the west. And south from there, Benin has finally burst into the modern world, with Andalusi emissaries assisting them in reforming the army and administration over the past two decades. The pagan kingdom must prove itself on the battlefield before earning the recognition of the other great powers, however, having already embarked on its first offensive war and seizing the rich city of Timbuktu to the north.   Whilst north Africa has largely been recognised as a Moroccan sphere of influence, the southern half of the continent is still very much unclaimed, with its vast savannahs and dense jungles rich with possibility and potential. Several powers have actually begun surveying the coast for possible colonialist ventures, with Morocco already dispatching armed expeditions to east Africa, quickly followed by Benin sending settles to claim the lands surrounding Kongo.  Pushing towards the sunrise, meanwhile, the Middle East has also undergone drastic change in recent decades. The Sharifian Caliphate of Arabia was proclaimed in Mecca in 1845, before immediately bringing battle to Syria, with the Caliph declaring his ambition to see all Arabs united under his rule. The Apanoub princes of Outremer have other ideas, however, repelling an Arabian invasion and counterattacking into Jordan, where harsh military rule was established.  Needless to say, this state of affairs is not sustainable, especially with the establishment of a new alliance in the region - the so-called ‘Caliphal Pact’. Having both lost wars to Crusader Egypt, the Caliphs of Arabia and Armenia have agreed to a temporary alliance, determined to push the Christians from the Levant once and for all.   Across the Bosphorus, the Balkan peninsula has similarly descended into anarchy, as many had predicted after the Congress of Cádiz. Two wars have already been fought between Serbia and an alliance of Hungary, Bulgaria and Greece - with the Serbs victorious in the first, but defeated in the second. And as a third war begins to brew, a new player enters the fray in the east, where pan-nationalist revolts have established the Kingdom of Romania. To the south, Morocco has finally withdrawn from Greece, establishing the Kingdom of the Peloponnesus in their place - though this principality is a vassal state to the Almoravid Sultan in all but name. The king of Greece has already begun agitating for unification, but unless he manages to win a powerful ally, he has little hope of reclaiming the peninsula from the Berbers.  Moving towards the east once more, the Indian subcontinent has largely been dominated by the Berber Raj, which has gradually expanded its frontiers northward. Their dominance won’t go unchallenged for much longer, however, as Japan has begun meddling in the western minors, demanding extraterritoriality for their citizens, trading privileges for their merchants, and even territorial concessions in coastal cities.  And not too far from there, the Dual Monarchy has only recently acquired its first new colony in centuries, conquering a stretch of coastal land in Indochina. Patalung, Khmer and Dai Viet are all ardently opposed to further European expansion, but with their armies downright primitive, there’s little they can do to counter it. The French have also been expanding their existing colonies further south, claiming vast tracts of useless, inhospitable desert in Usturaliya whilst the Moroccans seize the choicer pickings in Indonesia.  Pushing northward, East Asia has become a Japanese playground, with the revolutionary republic having already crushed the Mongol Empire in battle, conquered and annexed Manchuria, and established a protectorate in Buryatia. The Japanese now look to Siberia, to China and to India, where boundless riches and prestige beckon, and with them conflict with the Great Powers of the West.  Across the choppy waters of the Pacific Ocean, North Gharbia has been carved between four powers: Ibriz, New England, Albionoria and the Dual Monarchy. Neimni Sund was forced to concede vast tracts of land in the face of New English invasions, before surrendering the Mississippi to Ibriz and their northern territories to Albionoria. Anbaila was absorbed into Albionoria, with the two powers unifying in the hope that a stronger whole would be capable of repelling an Ibrizi or New English invasion - a hope that has not been tested just yet.  South Gharbia, on the other hand, has bore witness to the meteoric rise of the Union of Berber Sultanates. When the three sultanates of Imjir, Walidrar and Nuquril were first unified, their leaders embarked on a series of audacious wars termed the "submissions campaigns", in which the surrounding powers of New France, Charca, Tyratia and the Occidental Republic were all violently forced to submit to the Berber Union - forced to pay huge war reparations, open their markets, concede trading privileges and even lease territories to the Union. As a result, the Berber Union has become the uncontested master of South Gharbia, with any attempts to interact with the continent going through them first.  And with that, there could no longer be any doubt that Ibriz had finally lost its position as the supreme power in the new world. Efforts to revitalise the nation have already been launched, with Ibrizi politicians setting their sights on the north, where their demands to dissolve the Albionoria-Anbaila union had been ignored, a demeaning slight that would not go unanswered. The Revolutionary Republic would not go to war without being certain of victory, however, long before the first bullets were fired. So a temporary alliance was forged with New England, their longtime rivals for continental dominance, with the two powers beginning to plan for a joint invasion of Albionoria.    And with that prelude to war, this briefing comes to an end. The past twenty-five years have been unstable and unpredictable, and the next twenty-five promise to be the same. With the Congress of Cádiz exposed to be fraudulent sham, liberals and socialists coming to prominence in Europe, advancements in technology continuing unabated and the Great Powers greedily looking to Africa, the only certainty is that the world of 1900 will be a very different place from now. ——— World map: Culture map:  Country rankings:    Largest economies:  Population rankings:      Largest armies:  Largest navies:  Our factories: 
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29.4. What have we done. We need to crab barrel the Dual Monarchy back down asap. wiegieman fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jul 29, 2018 |
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Jul 29, 2018 19:43
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Anyone got Ironclads yet?
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The Berber Union is looking pretty fierce. They're basically Super Brazil but without the cratering literacy to hold it back.
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paragon1 posted:we're gonna need some big ol' botes. For what? If we're planning to go Socialist, there's no reason to have colonies, and if we aren't planning to build an overseas empire, we don't really need boats for much. Let's just turtle up In Iberia, projecting into France with the Germans as needed. If Morocco crosses the straits we can just murder them.
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We talked about how weird the France-Moroccan alliance was a few pages ago, but, man, Ibriz and New England sure do blow that out of the water.
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Fourth Meeting of the Majlis Thirty years into the game, and we’ve managed to bring most of Iberia back under our rule, so it’s time to reshuffle the Majlis again. We’ve got four parties - with the Socialists making their debut - and if you want more in-game information on them, click here. I’ve just posted a State of the World update, but if you need any more info to make your choice, just say so and I’ll see what I can do. Without further ado, here are the parties of Al Andalus: Royalists Primary Issues: They’re primarily focused on securing the historical borders of al-Andalus. These nobles hark back to the days where al-Andalus had a commanding position in Europe, and they vow to one day see all of its continental territories reacquired (including the rest of Iberia, Corsica, Sardinia, and even Sicily). Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Army technology, and expanding the sizes of both the standing and the mobilised armies.   Moderates Primary Issues: The policy of this party is two-pronged. First, they’re concerned with avoiding wars and maintaining the power balance between the great powers, primarily by building a vast defensive alliance web across Europe. Second, they’re devoted to investing in the internal development of al-Andalus via factories, railroads, fortresses and so on, and also improving relations abroad through foreign investment. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Industrial and Culture technologies, and will invest heavily in the construction of new buildings and railroads, hoping to kindle the flowering of a new renaissance in Iberia.   Imperialists Primary Issues: They’re concerned with securing Iberia, with no further expansion in Europe. They’re also interested in building a new colonial empire, however, seeing it as the best way to regain and cement Andalusia’s rightful position as a great power. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Naval and Commerce technologies, constructing larger naval bases, and most importantly - expanding and strengthening the navy.   Socialists Primary Issues: Their chief priority is to keep Al Andalus at peace, with no interest in further expansion, both domestically and globally. They’ll focus on internal development through factories, railroads etc, weakening the capitalist grip on industry, and - most importantly - beginning to implement their socialist ideals via reforms. They will also seek to ally with and strengthen other socialist regimes, though non-violently. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Industrial and Commerce technologies, with their secondary focus being culture and (defensive) army tech.  
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Imperialists! We need colonies, and boats! And to end Quattalunya.
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Hashim posted:no interest in further expansion Booo! Imperialists
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The dirty monarchists have gone one step too far in giving the Sultan more power. Imperialists
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Socialists We'll take the rest of Iberia as defensive concessions or whatever 
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Rodyle posted:For what? It'd be great if we could murder Moroccans before they show up. Or, hell, actually go on the offensive for once. Imperialists
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Socialists Let us rip power away from the sultan and give it back to the true strength of Iberia, the workers.
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Imperialists!
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Should've gone for Imperialists last election, but now is better than nothing
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As dearly as I want to go Socialist, I'm fairly certain that there's no way in hell that the Sultan is going to allow them to come to power even if they win the vote. The Imperialists are the only way to prevent him from consolidating further power. Then the socialists will finish the job!
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