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There's like a lot of US events between now and Wrestlemania so that's not happening unless a whole lot of bigger companies are cancelling events first.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 21:54 |
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# ? Jun 20, 2024 03:18 |
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If they cancel March Madness, we riot I'm glad Renee isn't on Raw anymore, I can't imagine the kind of poo poo Vince would be in her ear to say to downplay Mox
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 21:58 |
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Welcome..............to Twitch season nnnnhghghnngnn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSdHH92KOnY
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 22:03 |
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Well that's definitely 6 minutes of cringe as expected
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 22:09 |
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 22:29 |
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Lol WWE is giving this match away for free. https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1234234829438431234
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 22:54 |
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Incessant Excess posted:Welcome..............to Twitch season nnnnhghghnngnn I really want Undertaker's mania match to be against a twitch streamer. Please make it happen.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:04 |
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20 minutes for entrances, 60 minutes for the dota match
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:06 |
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DarkstarIV posted:Lol WWE is giving this match away for free. Ah yes WWE countering AEW's ingenious tactic of "market matches people really obviously want to see multiple weeks in advance and make a big deal out of them" with "throw it out there a day before with no fanfare and probably give it a non-finish" Wait that's what they've done for a decade, nevermind.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:09 |
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Still a big fan of them pretending a news outlet scooped their big match
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:11 |
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TriffTshngo posted:Ah yes WWE countering AEW's ingenious tactic of "market matches people really obviously want to see multiple weeks in advance and make a big deal out of them" with "throw it out there a day before with no fanfare and probably give it a non-finish" I have a feeling that Shayna will probably go over Asuka clean to give her a high profile win. Maybe the other EC participants or Becky will jump in afterwards, but I don't see a non-finish happening here. I would also not be shocked if WWE thinks the real money feud after Mania is Shayna/Nattie. Even though there is drat near a 100% chance it will be utter poo poo if it happens.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:13 |
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Neodoomium posted:Still a big fan of them pretending a news outlet scooped their big match As you can see from the fact that this match wasn't reported first by us, we have zero ability to control our own messaging.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:14 |
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Neodoomium posted:Still a big fan of them pretending a news outlet scooped their big match Like, where does this come from, anyway? What's the logic? Is it just because they know it won't actually get noticed if they just do a press release so they want to highlight that they did so?
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:19 |
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I think the only point of that was name dropping the ny post in a tweet because 'look we get mainstream attention'
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:20 |
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Yeah, but they do it all the time. Like, I'm expecting them to crow about Liger going into the HOF being 'reported by Rolling Stone' or something in a week or two.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:22 |
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, but they do it all the time. Like, I'm expecting them to crow about Liger going into the HOF being 'reported by Rolling Stone' or something in a week or two. If Rolling Stone wrote an article about it they absolutely would Anything with a following of any kind that mentions them they work into their marketing somehow
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:26 |
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DarkstarIV posted:Lol WWE is giving this match away for free. WWE gives every match away for free at this point? Or do you think there's people who would specifically sign up to the Network to watch Baszler vs Asuka who don't already have a Network sub?
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:34 |
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forkboy84 posted:WWE gives every match away for free at this point? Or do you think there's people who would specifically sign up to the Network to watch Baszler vs Asuka who don't already have a Network sub? with one day build we need to pop a rating...?
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:36 |
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Yeah it's like the same 1.3 million people or whatever paying for the network endlessly who probably won't cancel until they're dead They're mostly 50+ though
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:36 |
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forkboy84 posted:WWE gives every match away for free at this point? Yeah, it kinda undersells the idea if they're not selling PPVs anymore. I mean, I hate WWE but we commend AEW for giving away good matches on TV. On the other hand it would be right to criticize WWE for giving away a potentially marquee match with no build or story or true consequence. Which is a thing they do a lot.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:36 |
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WWE assumes nobody ever watches NXT or cares about any of the feuds they set up in it. See: Gargano/Ciampa, Asuka/Anyone This cuts against their desire to have a lot of people watch NXT so it will crush AEW.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:38 |
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, it kinda undersells the idea if they're not selling PPVs anymore. I mean, I hate WWE but we commend AEW for giving away good matches on TV. NXT does it as well, but a bit more sparingly, and generally those matches end in fuckery or non-finishes. Otherwise NXT at least builds up their major matches at least a week or two in advance, and use whatever time in between to push storylines on social media or on TV (if the match itself is at least two weeks away). Where on RAW or Smackdown, the matches end clean and ruin the appeal of another match down the line.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:40 |
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It's not that they're giving it away for free. They're giving it away with no build. But on the flip side, I just can't get into WWE matches on TV anymore.... Full Entrances, 1-2 minute of basic action like lock ups and wrist locks, 4 minutes of commercials, 5 minutes of action, dive outside the ring, 4 minutes of commercials, finish. They've even been doing a lot of stuff recently where they drag out the entrances as long as possible. They'll show one person enter, cut to a commercial, come back to some philanthropy package or whatever, like Make A Wish, cut back to the ring 5 minutes later and the first person is still standing in the ring like a goober with their entrance music playing. I feel like I'm watching more commercials than match, and there is no way to tell a good story when you are cutting away for 8 minutes of the match. They don't even try to limit the commercial breaks, and I feel so insulted when they cut away from the action to bookend a commercial break with WWE Shop and Total Divas or Miz and Mrs commercials that are not mandatory.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 23:58 |
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Neodoomium posted:WWE assumes nobody ever watches NXT or cares about any of the feuds they set up in it. See: Gargano/Ciampa, Asuka/Anyone And their assumption that everyone watches NXT so they don't really need to explain who anyone is or what their gimmick is... or that no-one does and they can just totally repackage them, depending on what direction the butterfly in a jar that runs things in Stanford is flying that moment.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:01 |
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WWE simply assumes you'll accept whatever they serve up and they really don't care where the conflicting evidence comes from because you're just supposed to buy what they're selling now.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:04 |
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, it kinda undersells the idea if they're not selling PPVs anymore. I mean, I hate WWE but we commend AEW for giving away good matches on TV. Yeah, but almost nothing they do has any consequences & the stuff that does have a build is generally dogshit. If you watch their programming you must be aware of this. Just doesn't seem worth commenting on, it's WWE, it's more notable when they accidentally stumble into booking something logically & sensibly for a change.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:09 |
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Gaz-L posted:And their assumption that everyone watches NXT so they don't really need to explain who anyone is or what their gimmick is... or that no-one does and they can just totally repackage them, depending on what direction the butterfly in a jar that runs things in Stanford is flying that moment. CAN IT BE? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:11 |
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I've seen some defenses of this match being announced with people claiming "WELL AEW IS GIVING AWAY A WAR GAMES MATCH ON TV FOR FREE IN A FEW WEEKS", and like...the big difference is that AEW is going to build up that match, and make it feel like a big deal. Where RAW and Smackdown never do that. They'll give away "dream matches" on TV, but never actually build them up. And announce them with little to no fanfare as well.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:11 |
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, it kinda undersells the idea if they're not selling PPVs anymore. I mean, I hate WWE but we commend AEW for giving away good matches on TV. every "good match on TV" for AEW has been weeks of build to, or established reasons as to why its happening, its never been throwing two guys out there and "WHY ARE THEY GIVING THIS AWAY" The last three weeks "big matches" - PAC v Omega (months of build), Cody v Wardlow (months of build), Riho v Nyla (months of build) The only exception is Cowboy Bebop vs Lucha Brothers and that played into the four man tag the week or two weeks prior and they already had a history It's not hypocrisy for praising AEW for it and criticising WWE for it, its that WWE just throws up onto a booking sheet and it has no impact rather than interchangeable gerars being put into interchangeable matches interchangeably
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:12 |
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Bear in mind that a ridic amount of the advertised matches don't even happen or are short gently caress-finishes anyway
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:32 |
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, but almost nothing they do has any consequences & the stuff that does have a build is generally dogshit. If you watch their programming you must be aware of this. Just doesn't seem worth commenting on, it's WWE, it's more notable when they accidentally stumble into booking something logically & sensibly for a change. Eh. Just because your dog always shits on the carpet doesn't mean you stop getting annoyed by it. Lid posted:every "good match on TV" for AEW has been weeks of build to, or established reasons as to why its happening, its never been throwing two guys out there and "WHY ARE THEY GIVING THIS AWAY" We're not disagreeing. I just thought it was self explanatory that AEW isn't really "giving" them away with the same lack of story, build, and consequence.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:33 |
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TV is where WWE makes it money these days (it's keeping the company profitable cause lord knows nothing else is) so having big matches there makes sense Giving matches away with zero build and not using previous TV to build to big TV matches makes no sense though (Guess which way WWE books it's TV matches)
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:34 |
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Faint praise but it's still better than Russo-era TNA in that respect, I suppose. They'd book their PPVs to build to Impact.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:44 |
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TriffTshngo posted:Faint praise but it's still better than Russo-era TNA in that respect, I suppose. They'd book their PPVs to build to Impact. I mean I feel like there was a period 12-18 months ago where WWE was booking their PPVs to build Raw/SD. Now it's kinda like they through a bunch of people and keywords in Total Extreme Wrestling and let it do whatever the gently caress they want. There's no build, there's no story, and everything changes to week to week.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 01:51 |
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I'm laughing so hard - I just got a YouTube recommendation for a Table for 3 clip and they're doing those at loving Applebee's now? Hahahahaha
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 02:55 |
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Shayna and Asuka are the only people in the Chamber match that are remotely viable as top contenders. They're putting them together to hype that they're the focus of that match. It will probably go 5-7 minutes and have a gently caress finish when the rest of the women interfere. They'll probably tease the Riotttttt Squad working together even though they're opposed like they did with the Shield.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 02:57 |
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DeepDickPizza posted:Shayna and Asuka are the only people in the Chamber match that are remotely viable as top contenders. They're putting them together to hype that they're the focus of that match. It will probably go 5-7 minutes and have a gently caress finish when the rest of the women interfere. They'll probably tease the Riotttttt Squad working together even though they're opposed like they did with the Shield. That or the more likely option: They want to give Shayna a big win at the expense of someone higher on the food chain, consequences be damned. Because absolutely no one believes Shayna isn't winning at Elimination Chamber, but that won't stop WWE from thinking that it's not good enough. I mean I would not be shocked if this is similar to last Wednesday where Charlotte went over Bianca clean. Just that Shayna goes over Asuka clean. Since the common thread between Bianca and Asuka is that both of them are incredibly popular opposed to who is actually being pushed for title matches at Mania. Becky/Shayna is going to be really loving bad at Wrestlemania as well. They had no chemistry at all during Survivor Series, and Becky only really works well with women who work at her speed or faster. Shayna isn't that. DarkstarIV fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Mar 2, 2020 |
# ? Mar 2, 2020 03:04 |
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Eh. I don't see the upside to having Shayna pin the only other person in the match that isn't an afterthought. Shayna will pin Asuka on Sunday. No need to also do it tomorrow. My guess is that Shayna and Asuka will get more singles matches between now and Mania for Shayna to get those pins. Tomorrow will be a gently caress finish. Of course this is WWE, so who knows...and really who cares. The end result is the same.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 03:15 |
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One of the weirdest things about modern WWE is that every match follows the same structure down to the dive to commercial spots and timing of the rest holds etc It's wild that they not only took away the ability of wrestlers to write their own promos and get good at delivering their own material but they took away their ability to express themselves in the ring and they now have to follow the same cookie cutter pre-rehearsed on the night template for every match they have. I feel like if Vince could replace the entire roster with wrestle robots that all follow the same exact program every night he would. It's soul-less, void of fun and how can you be excited when you see the same match between the same people nearly spot for spot for weeks at a time?
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 03:16 |
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# ? Jun 20, 2024 03:18 |
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Mr. Carlisle posted:One of the weirdest things about modern WWE is that every match follows the same structure down to the dive to commercial spots and timing of the rest holds etc cues that Shinsuke Nakamura tweet of "I just wanna feel alive"
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