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Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

It’s pretty good, no more broken than the latest fan patch. The thing about the fan patch is that beyond a certain point, almost all of the changes are very minor and cosmetic. Moving prop objects around levels, etc.

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Average Bear
Apr 4, 2010
Wait wtf is this Camerilla edition stuff?

HellOnEarth
Nov 7, 2005

Now that's good jerky!

Average Bear posted:

Wait wtf is this Camerilla edition stuff?

Don't install it or really any of the extras, just go with the 9.4 plus mod. The Camarilla mod is a revamp of a bunch of stuff like clan powers/weaknesses among other things.

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

Gyshall posted:

Besides forcing 8x AA pet pcgamingwiki, any other solid graphics upgrades these days?

Reshade is fully compatible, if you're into playing with shaders. There's a ton to mess with. I've also created a preset of my own that you could use if you don't wan't to tweak things yourself but you still want a small bump up in graphics. No promises it'll look good on your monitor, but it's mostly slight color correction and a touch of static distant blur & bloom.

Just create a text file named "VtMB-ReShade.ini" where your game exe is and paste this into it then load the preset in Reshade using the ingame menu. Be sure to download the shaders listed next to "Techniques" when installing Reshade else they won't be there to load obvs.

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This loving hotel.

Tetrabor
Oct 14, 2018

Eight points of contact at all times!

Upmarket Mango posted:



This loving hotel.

I'm hoping they'll find a way to play into the supernatural elements again, ghosts, zombies, places that'll give a good scare. That sense of dread the Ocean House hotel gave really grounds the player into understanding that they aren't the most powerful creature in the world, they are but a fledgling.

You don't really experience that feeling for the rest of the game, the few times where you understand your weaknesses are Prince LaCroix dominating you if you refuse to do a mission, and the werewolf near the end of the game.

The Gargoyle, Hammerhead, and Sewer Boss can all be gamified in comparison.

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
I really enjoyed all those elements, too. Bloodlines did a good job of making the supernatural in the oWod feel diverse and lived-in, rather than just name checking and cheap cameos of other white wolf properties.

User
May 3, 2002

by FactsAreUseless
Nap Ghost
I'm personally disappointed there was no way to get turned into a lawn chair.

Average Bear
Apr 4, 2010
Just saw interview with the vampire. Good movie, but are the books good too

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.


Average Bear posted:

Just saw interview with the vampire. Good movie, but are the books good too

Considering the low bar that is set by vampire books and trashy fiction then sure, I guess. But no, they're not really "good" . Just read Carmilla and Dracula and remember that everything is a sex metaphor.
Have you ever watched Blacula? Its and interesting Blaxploitation film. I actually wrote an undergrad paper on it... for a class called Vampire Stories lol

DeadFatDuckFat fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Mar 25, 2019

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Blade is twenty years old, 90's as gently caress, and owns. Watch Blade.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Watch bram stokers dracula

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all
Blade is cool as hell. Interview with the Vampire is one of those weird films that seems like it just shouldn't work , but they somehow pull everything together and it's fascinating.

My recommendation is What We Do in the Shadows, it's a mockumentary about New Zealand vampire society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2w3H_oLSIU

It even got picked up as a tv series that premiers next week.

Ghetto Prince fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Mar 25, 2019

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?

Average Bear posted:

Wait wtf is this Camerilla edition stuff?
Camarilla edition makes your blood deplete in real time (and forces you to go into Masquerade-breaking hunger frenzies when you're out) so that you would be forced to hunt early and often.

You know, just in case the sewers weren't frustrating enough.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!
Honestly, the thing that saddens me on replay is alot of sequences just don't have the same impact. The first time, blind, in Ocean Hotel, or the prosthetics place, I was crawling along all anxious and unsure.

Replay is basically dashing around hitting the event triggers to get back to the game.

No real solution to that, but Bloodlines is definitely one of those games I wish I could play again for the first time.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

Fintilgin posted:

Honestly, the thing that saddens me on replay is alot of sequences just don't have the same impact. The first time, blind, in Ocean Hotel, or the prosthetics place, I was crawling along all anxious and unsure.

Replay is basically dashing around hitting the event triggers to get back to the game.

No real solution to that, but Bloodlines is definitely one of those games I wish I could play again for the first time.

The lesson here is don't watch any gameplay clips for 2. That's definitely my plan. Buy it day 1 without looking at reviews or having seen any footage. Sure, there's a risk of getting burnt, but also not knowing anything has the possibility of actually allowing things to surprise you.

I do exactly the same thing with films I'm interested in, it's just that the upfront investment if it's terrible is lower.

(Or at least I try to, self control and all that.)

CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Mar 25, 2019

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Fintilgin posted:

Honestly, the thing that saddens me on replay is alot of sequences just don't have the same impact. The first time, blind, in Ocean Hotel, or the prosthetics place, I was crawling along all anxious and unsure.

Replay is basically dashing around hitting the event triggers to get back to the game.

No real solution to that, but Bloodlines is definitely one of those games I wish I could play again for the first time.

in addition to that, I'm also on a playthrough and I find myself not building a character per se, but building a reward keychain tool. As in, I know quests in this area require 6 persuasion, so that's the next goal. Oh and hacking 4 here. ignore dexterity, but pump lockpicking. Dump the rest into stealth at first, combat later.

It's similar to how fallout new vegas characters always end up with high speech/science/repair/lockpicking, because that's how the min-max cookie crumbles.

Conversely, for all its flaws, alpha protocol separate player stats from player actions relatively successfully. Your choices and options were influenced but separate from your character's stats (ie if you hack a computer you gain background info that opens dialogue options). I guess it's part of being an older game but still makes me ponder what would be a good way to alter that.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
The problem is that choosing between Skill A and Skill B is almost never a choice between equally appealing rewards. And in fairness, as the number of different skills and skill checks goes up it's virtually impossible to keep all that poo poo remotely balanced.

Also players are always going to be attracted to getting into locked places and passing speech checks in your RPG. So people are always going to zero in on those unless you create multiple equally good ways of getting into poo poo and unlocking things in dialog. Which just makes things more complicated and harder to balance anyway.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib

MonsieurChoc posted:

Oh yeah, most oWoD fiction is trash. The Demon trilogy was greta (Greg Stolze so of course) and the Mummy Trilogy was... alright? It had a Beckett cameo if anything. I can't think of good Vampire novels, and I read the entire Clan Novel Saga.

Now, for the nWoD, there's the Requiem novels which are amazing (Greg Stolze again) and the Horror Recognition Guide. This is to be expected, since the nWoD is better. :smug:

Haven't read them, but I think Brian Hodge did some nWoD fiction. He's a very good non-licensed fiction horror writer, so they might be good. I remember reading the Greg Stolze Fire in the Blood etc nWoD books when I was desperate to find some non-awful WoD fiction and thinking they were legitimately decent horror novels, not just decent-for-licensed-fiction.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Ghetto Prince posted:

Blade is cool as hell. Interview with the Vampire is one of those weird films that seems like it just shouldn't work , but they somehow pull everything together and it's fascinating.

My recommendation is What We Do in the Shadows, it's a mockumentary about New Zealand vampire society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2w3H_oLSIU

It even got picked up as a tv series that premiers next week.

I feel like What We Do in the Shadows pretty much perfectly captures what low standing failure vampires must be like in WoD. Right down to having a horrific Nosferatu roommate in your basement that no one really wants to deal with

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Along with the loneliness of the one good player constantly trying to keep the other idiots from loving everything up.

Buller
Nov 6, 2010
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Buller fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Mar 25, 2019

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012


Dracula was Tzimisce apparently, so I'd say Vladislav would be one too. Ventrue isn't a great fit for him.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Old Clan Tzimisce are an entire bloodline of Eastern European feudal lords with Dominate replacing Vicissitude, for that extra hypnotic gaze goodness.

Of course, Dracula's in the strange position of having inspired a couple of clans by himself (Ventrue, Gangrel, Tzimisce, plus Malkavian if you count Renfield), so when they made his sheet they gave him a respectable number of Disciplines:

White Wolf Wikia posted:

Clan: Tzimisce
Sire: Lambach Ruthven
Nature: Visionary† / Penitent‡
Demeanor: Tyrant† / Traditionalist‡
Generation: 5th
Embrace: 1495 CE
Apparent Age: Early 40s† / Mid-40s‡
Physical: Strength 4, Dexterity 4, Stamina 4
Social: Charisma 4, Manipulation 5, Appearance 3
Mental: Perception 4, Intelligence 5, Wits 6
Talents: Alertness 4, Brawl 3, Dodge 4, Grace 3, Interrogation 3, Intimidation 4, Intuition 2, Leadership 5, Style 3, Subterfuge 7
Skills: Animal Ken 4, Archery 3, Disguise 3, Etiquette 5, Melee 4, Performance 3, Ride 2, Stealth 2, Survival 3
Knowledges: Academics 4, Camarilla Lore 4, Hearth Wisdom 3, History 5, Investigation 3, Linguistics 6 (European, Eastern, and dead tongues), Medicine 2, Occult 5, Politics 5, Sabbat Lore 5
Disciplines: Animalism 6, Auspex 2, Celerity 2, Dominate 4, Fortitude 3, Koldunic Sorcery 5, Potence 3, Protean 4, Vicissitude 5
Sorcerous Paths: (Koldunic) Way of Earth 5, Way of Spirit 5, Way of Water 5
Backgrounds: Fame 5, Herd 5, Resources 5, Retainers 5
Virtues: Conscience 2, Self-Control 3, Courage 4
Morality: Humanity 3
Willpower: 8

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
there is some way to play tabletop rpgs online? i think we could play some world of darkness or something like that

Fantastic Alice
Jan 23, 2012





DoctorGonzo posted:

there is some way to play tabletop rpgs online? i think we could play some world of darkness or something like that

Tabletop simulator, Discord with a dice roller, Skype, Roll20 or whatever its called, Fantasy Grounds, etc.

Plenty of ways to do it.

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
we could set up something if people are interested

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

alas poor julius.



he didn't make it.

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012


DoctorGonzo posted:

we could set up something if people are interested

I'd be super interested. I've never played something like that before, but I'd be willing and able to do it regularly.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

a7m2 posted:

I'd be super interested. I've never played something like that before, but I'd be willing and able to do it regularly.

Same. I've only done it online the once before, though I used to play some WHFR with my friends years ago.

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

You guys know there’s a whole subforum dedicated to online games? Invite only, sorry

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Nah you can just walk in there. They might be able to give you advice for better Dracula operations too.

PureRok
Mar 27, 2010

Good as new.

Kurtofan posted:

Watch bram stokers dracula

Alernatively, read the book (or listen to the Audible version, that's got Tim Curry). There hasn't been a good adaptation of the book yet, and the book is still the best vampire book I've read. Second place is my guilty pleasure "The Last Vampire" series (renamed Thirst for some reason) by Christopher Pike.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
I love that the sequel is set in Seattle; Vampire LARPs were huge here in the late 90s when I was a moody teen.

"Kesper North" was a name I liked the sound of that I cadged from a Tanith Lee novel to use for a Tremere character that I recycled for EVE Online.

(Not the only thing I recycled; Vampire politicking was a great prep course for EVE politicking.)

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

PureRok posted:

Alernatively, read the book (or listen to the Audible version, that's got Tim Curry). There hasn't been a good adaptation of the book yet, and the book is still the best vampire book I've read. Second place is my guilty pleasure "The Last Vampire" series (renamed Thirst for some reason) by Christopher Pike.

If we're just throwing out vampire fiction recommendations, I really like the Passage by Justin Cronin. I've been meaning to get to the Historian, which is apparently DraculaXThe Da Vinci Code. Sounds suitably trashy enough to be enjoyable.

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

The best hosed up vampire story is Octavia Butler's Fledgling, which goes out of its way to paint the POV as a loving monster and also has that good fun Vampire Politicking going on around the halfway mark.

Wungus fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 25, 2019

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

PureRok posted:

Alernatively, read the book (or listen to the Audible version, that's got Tim Curry). There hasn't been a good adaptation of the book yet, and the book is still the best vampire book I've read. Second place is my guilty pleasure "The Last Vampire" series (renamed Thirst for some reason) by Christopher Pike.

There's been a 2010 comic book release that's highly faithful if you just want visuals.

On that note, Mike Mignola apparently worked on Bram Stoker's Dracula and did a comics adaptation as well. It's loving Mignola, so it's gorgeous, made me appreciate the movie somewhat more.

Natroga
Apr 20, 2008
While we're on the topic of WoD/Vampire media in general, I kind of wonder if Geek & Sundry's L.A. By Night Actual Play Series is gonna be canon at all? Jason Carl from White Wolf is the storyteller for that, and I think he's at least marginally involved in 2? Would be interesting, especially since season 2 of that was basically my inoffical bloodlines sequel until we got an offical one.

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Swedracula rattled his saber about integrating LARP across the world and creating a grand old living metaplot (extreme reliance on metaplot being a thing that plagued oWoD, and a thing much remembered and longed for by grogs) back when Paradox’s acquisition of the IP was first announced but it only served as an omen of his fundamental idiocy, like a kid springing for SLR in a gaming rig.

It may yet factor into the game, but Bloodlines 1 carved out a space largely outside of metaplot and was all the richer for it. I doubt Mitsoda is high on the notion, but who knows.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
It's intended to be canon, there's been some minor references in official materials. Erika Ishii was at the announcement as well.

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double nine
Aug 8, 2013

finished the sewers again. Wasn't so painful when going in with pockets filled with anaconda and spaz autoshotgun ammo.



And you know where to go. God what a boring drag.

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