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The mechanics ain't perfect but I'm having lots of fun slicing up dudes in a dramatic fashion anyway.
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Feenix posted:Jesus gently caress the combat in this game is abysmal. Try an alchemy build. It's a blast.
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May 29, 2015 22:33
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Ice Fist posted:I do as well. I'm curious what you think it so bad about it though. I've been having a ton of fun just running around cutting random monsters in half, throwing superior dancing stars and grapeshots on everything that moves and using my boosted aard to knock over crowds of bad guys. What's your beef? My beef is using swords, I guess? And the general camera/movement issue? Like say I'm surrounded by like 4 level 5 Wraiths. (I am also Level 5) I swipe at one, and half the time I hit them a few times before they disappear, and half the time they are just out of my reach because they can dash backwards willy nilly. And yet when they slash at me with their swords and such, dash or no dash, they connect. Or then one gets behind me and I'm hit by both multiple times because why the gently caress not, right? Or why when Geralt gets into combat, he locks on a bit and moves slower/creeps. Which just makes everything that much more awkward. Also the camera and the way it moves / soft locks onto enemies in general. No I did not want to turn around and track that one, I was fighting this one... etc... It's bad. It's so bad. But the game, the game is good. So good. So if anyone has any tips for how I can overcome this obvious badness and still do well, I am happy to hear it. What I will never accept, however, is that this is not bad. Because it is. It is bad. Bad. 
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May 29, 2015 22:35
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I think the trick to keep in mind with this game's combat (especially when you're fighting groups) is that you want to dodge almost the split second before they attack, and ideally you want to dodge in a way that'll leave you positioned to the side of them to punish them when their attack misses. Other than that, don't get greedy, and if you really have trouble, abuse quen.
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May 29, 2015 22:38
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Ice Fist posted:I'm gunna ask what might be a dumb question - based on answers to some of my questions I'm very nearly done with this game, yet I haven't seen the kind of Act 1/Act 2 transition as was in game 1. How do people know there are 'Acts'? I'm not sure either, but the strategy guide pegs the end of Act 1 as the point where you unlock Kaer Morhen. There's a big battle that marks the end of Act 2. I was putting off Kaer Morhen because I really thought that would be the point of no return. This game. 
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May 29, 2015 22:40
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I mean, I accept that there are things I can learn/do to deal with the combat and be better... but yeah, I dodge a ton. Getting away is not always an issue. It's being in their faces at all, that I get wrecked. Just like, whiffing them, them hitting me, stunlocky type stuff...
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May 29, 2015 22:41
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Feenix posted:Like say I'm surrounded by like 4 level 5 Wraiths. (I am also Level 5) Read your bestiary, dummy. Yrden, specter oil, moon dust. (The halfling herbalist NE of Oxenfurt has been good about selling recipes I otherwise missed, YMMV.) Why oh sweet Melitele's tits why do people fail so hard at wraiths, they last like 3 hits if you prepare properly.
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May 29, 2015 22:43
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Manatee Cannon posted:You can't have multiple of the same tier of bomb or potion, but you can have one of each tier. It won't let you make a second superior grapeshot bombs.
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May 29, 2015 22:43
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Where do Nekkers like to hang out?
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May 29, 2015 22:45
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Feenix posted:My beef is using swords, I guess? And the general camera/movement issue? Some enemies require certain tools. Use Yrden against wraiths. It slows them and prevents them from getting all over your poo poo. Bombs are good too. If you want to get tricky, use oils and stuff.
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May 29, 2015 22:45
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Psiharis posted:Read your bestiary, dummy. Yrden, specter oil, moon dust. (The halfling herbalist NE of Oxenfurt has been good about selling recipes I otherwise missed, YMMV.) Why oh sweet Melitele's tits why do people fail so hard at wraiths, they last like 3 hits if you prepare properly. I know about Yrden. I know I can mitigate how much damage I do to them. I'm talking more about how the badness-feeling of combat leads to me failing or doing badly. [edit] Thank you all for the advice however. I will rely more on other things. My original exclamation was just realizing how actually-bad the combat engine is. It's frustrating.
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May 29, 2015 22:45
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Feenix posted:*stuff about wraiths* You definitely listed some of the short comings of fighting. I do not disagree with what you have listed. Targeting the proper guy can be a bitch *especially* in large crowds. The camera is slow and doesn't track enemies well so teleportation enemies like wraiths can end up being very disorienting fights. I don't think the Geralt's walking cautiously during fights is a problem. In fact I really like it. You can run in that stance if you need to. In any case, in spite of its mechanical flaws it's been fun as hell, so I hope you'll eventually get over some of this stuff. It's far from being abysmal imo.
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May 29, 2015 22:46
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Psiharis posted:Read your bestiary, dummy. Yrden, specter oil, moon dust. (The halfling herbalist NE of Oxenfurt has been good about selling recipes I otherwise missed, YMMV.) Why oh sweet Melitele's tits why do people fail so hard at wraiths, they last like 3 hits if you prepare properly. I've never done any preparation to fight a wraith and they seem pretty easy to deal with. Maybe contract wraiths are harder
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May 29, 2015 22:46
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Feenix posted:I know about Yrden. I know I can mitigate how much damage I do to them. I'm talking more about how the badness-feeling of combat leads to me failing or doing badly. play a different game, you obviously don't enjoy the combat so why waste your time if you hate it so much
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May 29, 2015 22:47
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PaybackJack posted:You're comparing 10-15 hours of gameplay with another 100 at least. I've got way more than that in and I'm just doing the Baron quests now. This is going to be a 400 hour game for me, isn't it. It took me about 10 hours just to get out of the White Orchard.
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May 29, 2015 22:50
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ShadowMar posted:play a different game, you obviously don't enjoy the combat so why waste your time if you hate it so much He actually listed some actual problems with the system so I don't know why everyone's only response is 'git gud'
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May 29, 2015 22:50
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Nakar posted:I was under the impression you can't make a bomb more than once, though I didn't really try and when recipes do or don't vanish from the crafting list seems rather arbitrary. But you can definitely hold them, because I have a Superior Grapeshot and a regular Grapeshot in my inventory right now. Not sure whether I can upgrade it. That's what I was saying. Looking at my alchemy list, I don't see the formulas for any of the potions or bombs that I've already crafted. Don't think you can upgrade them. You also can't hold two of the same kind and tier (ie, you can hold a grapeshot and an enhanced grapeshot, but not two regular grapeshots - I tried picking one up off of a corpse once and it wouldn't let me). What I'm not sure of is whether quest rewards overwrite that. I was also given a superior swallow but never made one myself, but I don't see the formula in my alchemy list anymore.
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May 29, 2015 22:50
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Feenix posted:I know about Yrden. I know I can mitigate how much damage I do to them. I'm talking more about how the badness-feeling of combat leads to me failing or doing badly. Mitigate?  It keeps them from teleporting around (as does moon dust) as long as you keep them inside the perimeter and don't get greedy. At that point they are like weak normal enemies, slash away.
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May 29, 2015 22:51
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ShadowMar posted:play a different game, you obviously don't enjoy the combat so why waste your time if you hate it so much Same reason everyone else who hates the combat is playing this game? Because everything else about it is so good? But thanks for suggesting such a totally wacky solution I would have never thought of... Psiharis posted:Mitigate? Im the case where I cast Yrden in the fight with the Botching's summoned wraiths, Yrden seemed very unable to keep 4 wraiths from 4-way gang banging me in a tight circle. So I don't know... 
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May 29, 2015 22:51
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Ice Fist posted:He actually listed some actual problems with the system so I don't know why everyone's only response is 'git gud' About 400 pages back the consensus was that the combat, and controls in general were really loving awful in this game, and I still agree with that. Did some magical patch not make these things suck balls?
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May 29, 2015 22:52
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Psiharis posted:Mitigate? 1 yrden circle is hard to help when you have 3+ wraiths at once, and keeping multiple up is difficult as while they cant seem to teleport out of it they certainly can teleport into it. Addendum: I've cleared out most of velen and haven't found moon dust bombs yet, certainly not when doing the escort quest with wraith packs. Stormgale fucked around with this message at 22:55 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 22:52
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Feenix posted:Im the case where I cast Yrden in the fight with the Botching's summoned wraiths, Yrden seemed very unable to keep 4 wraiths from 4-way gang banging me in a tight circle. So I don't know... Moon. Dust. Bombs. Game is only as hard as you make it for yourself by ignoring what it tells you to do.
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May 29, 2015 22:54
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So there aren't any delineated "Acts" within the game but people are referring to "Acts" in this thread and the story has a three act structure that goes like this: Act 1 Velen and Novigrad Act 2 Skellige Act 3 Isle of Mists and onwards If you just burn through the plot and ignore everything else I would estimate the time to be Act 1: 20 hours Act 2: 10 hours Act 3: 4 hours
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May 29, 2015 22:55
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So, Reason of State is pretty buggy (don't click the link unless you want some spoilers from the quest objective). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgLiMk0M74 It's actually worse than I've placed on display here because if you run past the enemies without killing them, Roche bugs out and you never get your weapons back. The two guards that are appearing as friendly but should be attacking me also simply do not exist if you run ahead too early. Unless I'm missing something here, which is possible, this seems completely busted and unwinnable. Wachepti posted:So there aren't any delineated "Acts" within the game but people are referring to "Acts" in this thread and the story has a three act structure that goes like this: Act 1 ends when you start the Ugly Baby quest
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May 29, 2015 22:57
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Pwnstar posted:Regarding the second solution: If you explore one of the buildings you find his severed leg attached to a manacle and he talks about how some dudes locked him up and he bit through his own leg to escape but his own flesh just touching his mouth burned the poo poo outta him like literal fire in his mouth. Theres an intuitive leap to make from there, especially considering theres a prompt to feed him inventory items. Except he says he already ate his flesh so it makes no sense. He says when he eats his flesh, it goes down burning like tar etc.
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May 29, 2015 22:58
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Manatee Cannon posted:So, Reason of State is pretty buggy (don't click the link unless you want some spoilers from the quest objective). Definitely buggy but there are ways to progress. One option is to reload to the beginning of this battle (Like right after the cutscene ends), kill all the enemies. When you get to the last segment of the map, try shooting crossbow bolts at some of the enemies to aggro them. This is what worked for me
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CerebralDonut posted:Definitely buggy but there are ways to progress. One option is to reload to the beginning of this battle (Like right after the cutscene ends), kill all the enemies. When you get to the last segment of the map, try shooting crossbow bolts at some of the enemies to aggro them. This is what worked for me Yeah I reloaded three times off the quick saves and nothing worked, so I'm gonna try my manual save just before starting this part. Killing all the enemies and babying Roche and Ves up to that point was how I got this video. I tried shooting them and using spells but the game wouldn't let me because they were friendly.  Funnily enough, on my first try it did let me shoot Radovid and it bounced off his fat head like he was Superman or something.edit: manual save did it, though I did get the infinite dodge glitch on a crossbowman Manatee Cannon fucked around with this message at 23:10 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 23:03
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Wow, gently caress the haunted lighthouse contract in Skelige. Incredibly aggressive invincible phantom who teleports rapidly mid combo? Check. Invincible until the fat rear end npc does his thing? Check. Summons FIVE wraiths to surround you twice in the fight? check. Every time you fail, you have to retry from the start of the conversation and cutscene before the fight? Checkmate. I tried to squeeze a quicksave in before the penitent goes hostile, but that breaks the npc on reload, and he doesn't do anything but cower. gently caress this stupid quest.
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May 29, 2015 23:03
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poptart_fairy posted:When were the major DLC releases planned for anyway? Later on you have the opportunity to sort of weigh in on the ethics of using Axii. I thought it was really cool that the writers anticipated this sort of question and gave the player the opportunity to answer it for themselves.
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May 29, 2015 23:09
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Vehementi posted:Except he says he already ate his flesh so it makes no sense. He says when he eats his flesh, it goes down burning like tar etc. It's kind of silly, but since it's a curse we're dealing with, you could look at it as feeding him flesh from a prior form means someone killed him and then decided to come back and show compassion, thus breaking the curse. It's a stretch but...yeah.
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May 29, 2015 23:09
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Why do people keep bringing up 'enemies keep moving out of Yrden' like it's something they can't control. You kite them back into it or or make another circle. Wraiths almost always teleport behind or away from you. Don't Play with Gods was one of the most refreshing fights in the game, 7-8 wraiths and a nightwraith teleporting everywhere and a second, better version of Ultimatum thanks to rng.
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May 29, 2015 23:11
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Psiharis posted:Moon. Dust. Bombs. It's actually ridiculously plausible to get to a number of super hard Wraith fights without ever finding the Moon Dust recipe. If you stick to the main story and proceed straight to the Baron you won't find it except as a random drop.
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May 29, 2015 23:12
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Woozy posted:It's actually ridiculously plausible to get to a number of super hard Wraith fights without ever finding the Moon Dust recipe. If you stick to the main story and proceed straight to the Baron you won't find it except as a random drop. I do understand that - I don't think I had moon dust for the Baron's quest either, but I didn't have any trouble getting past it on BB&B at about level parity and certainly didn't bitch about the combat sucking. It's an RPG, if you want to bumrush the main plot and ignore side activities (including those that grant better potions and equipment) then drop the difficulty down. For higher difficulties, take your time and if you're not prepared, come back later. Honestly the only time wraiths even get a hit on me is when I'm greedy and pursue them past Yrden, which is a waste of time. Make them come to you. These people are going to be REALLY mad about defending an NPC from a bunch of L23 foglets later...
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drat, Reason of State is a bummer. I liked Djikstra in this game but I couldn't just let him kill Roche, Thaler, and Ves. Though this means that Nilfgaard will be virtually unopposed in the North. Just no ending I could be satisfied with in that, but I guess that's the game.
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Woozy posted:It's actually ridiculously plausible to get to a number of super hard Wraith fights without ever finding the Moon Dust recipe. If you stick to the main story and proceed straight to the Baron you won't find it except as a random drop. The game is downright terrible about making recipes available in any reasonable manner. Jenny of the Woods would have been a good introduction to using Moon Dust bombs. Dimeterium bombs can be gamechanging but some people may never find the recipe. I found regular and enhanced Black Blood (a very thematic yet niche potion) formulas from random loot before I found moon dust for sale.
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Psiharis posted:I do understand that - I don't think I had moon dust for the Baron's quest either, but I didn't have any trouble getting past it on BB&B at about level parity and certainly didn't bitch about the combat sucking. Do you want a medal or something? It does suck. Congrats on not noticing? No need to be an rear end. Feenix fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 29, 2015 |
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I'm just frustrated that people ignore every attempt to be helpful and conclude it's an inherent problem with the game when it's just... not. I have a lot of trouble with other things people tend to find easy. In this case, if you are having trouble, the game offers a way to make things easier on you. If you choose not to pursue that, the problem really isn't with the game anymore.
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May 29, 2015 23:33
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I don't think the combat sucks but I did hit a huge wall on Death March during the Wraith fight with the Baron. I think it had more to do with me tilting over having to replay like 5 loving minutes of story every time I tried, though. v v
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Psiharis posted:I'm just frustrated that people ignore every attempt to be helpful and conclude it's an inherent problem with the game when it's just... not. I think you are mistaken, though. There ARE problems with the game's combat. There are also just "ways around it". Maybe even a LOT of ways around it. But the swinging of swords and dealing with multiple enemies is... not great. {i'll say again, i am appreciative of all the offers of advice... (I even asked for some...) but my original post was just an expression of frustration that this otherwise amazing game has such clunky interactions (mostly in combat.))
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Psiharis posted:These people are going to be REALLY mad about defending an NPC from a bunch of L23 foglets later... I probably will be too, because I have been attacked by wraith teleports even in the middle of a yrden and i've had to doge out of the yrden and then got teleport slashes.
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