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Mahoning posted:That's not really fair considering Star Wars was a product of its time. It changed the landscape to pave the way for poo poo like what Marvel is doing right now. It is laying the groundwork for interconnected franchises (though there was stuff like AvP before them), but I don't see any other companies other than Warner/DC following their lead.
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computer parts posted:It is laying the groundwork for interconnected franchises (though there was stuff like AvP before them), but I don't see any other companies other than Warner/DC following their lead. I wonder if we'll see that concept taking off in other mediums instead, like books or television shows (there was Buffy and Angel, or DS9 and Voyager, and I think some of the Stargate shows ran concurrently).
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Lord Krangdar posted:I wonder if we'll see that concept taking off in other mediums instead, like books or television shows (there was Buffy and Angel, or DS9 and Voyager, and I think some of the Stargate shows ran concurrently).
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Lord Krangdar posted:I wonder if we'll see that concept taking off in other mediums instead, like books or television shows (there was Buffy and Angel, or DS9 and Voyager, and I think some of the Stargate shows ran concurrently). Technically it's already a thing. 
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Aug 5, 2014 22:02
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That's not even complete, unless I missed where Homicide crosses over with The Wire (John Munch is hanging out in a bar in one episode).
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Electromax posted:Wouldn't it be more like the entire Marvel franchise is this generation's Star Wars? GotG alone doesn't seem like the lasting iconic behemoth that A New Hope was. Hard to say how it would've done coming out cold with no brand associated, I guess. But Star Wars truly was unlike anything people had ever seen. GotG is just another well made comic movie in space. I don't think any of the Marvel franchises, or the entirety of them, really stand out even remotely compared to a franchise like Star Wars. All of it just feels very same-y and not in a consistent universe way. They're all very enjoyable, yet entirely forgettable movies.
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Neo Rasa posted:Hey that's just like, your opinion man. Let me tell you somethin', e chu ta. You pull any of that jedi poo poo with us, pull out a lightsaber in the bar... I'll take it away from you and stick it up your rear end and press the button 'til it goes *click*.
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Star Wars themed park is under development at Disney. Plans for it will be revealed next year so it probably won't really be done til like 2016~17, no wonder they want to drop these movies out ASAP though.
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The reports I read said new Star Wars attractions at the existing parks, not a whole new park.
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Harry Potter has his own loving park. Why can't Luke?
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Jose Oquendo posted:Harry Potter has his own loving park. Why can't Luke? They probably want to save that for if/when the young lead character is actually popular (so they don't repeat Tron: Legacy again).
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computer parts posted:They probably want to save that for if/when the young lead character is actually popular (so they don't repeat Tron: Legacy again). Aye, they probably want these movies out ASAP so they have stuff to base new things on.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Harry Potter has his own loving park. Why can't Luke? Are you talking about in Orlando? Wizarding World of Harry Potter and now Diagon Alley? Because those just two areas, one in Universal Studios, one in Islands of Adventure. They're not their own theme parks or anything. Is there somewhere Harry Potter has it's own theme park?
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Diabolik900 posted:The reports I read said new Star Wars attractions at the existing parks, not a whole new park. To be fair all they need to do is put one X-wing or TIE-Fighter simulator on hydraulics and the waiting line for one attraction will start in Kansas.
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It feels like a Star Wars park/land at Disney World needs to happen. I expected an official announcement on it not long after they got the rights, then they came out and announced they were building an Avatar land or something. Like, Avatar was successful, but an Avatar park seems like way more an bizarre investment than Star Wars. I'm pretty sure old-rear end Star Tours is still one of the main draws keeping Hollywood Studios/MGM open (behind Tower of Terror and Aerosmith)
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thrawn527 posted:Are you talking about in Orlando? Wizarding World of Harry Potter and now Diagon Alley? Because those just two areas, one in Universal Studios, one in Islands of Adventure. They're not their own theme parks or anything. I thought that the Harry Potter areas were sort of like a Universal equivalent to Epcot or MGM. A separate area but still part of the main park. Regardless, a big-rear end Star Wars area needs to go up pronto.
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I'd love to get drunk at a recreation of the Mos Eisely Cantina.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'd love to get drunk at a recreation of the Mos Eisely Cantina. That is absolutely at the top of the list for attractions at whatever Star Wars stuff they build.
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Jose Oquendo posted:I thought that the Harry Potter areas were sort of like a Universal equivalent to Epcot or MGM. A separate area but still part of the main park. No, Wizarding World of Harry Potter is more equivalent to something like Tomorrowland. It's just one section of Islands of Adventure. Diagon Alley wasn't open yet when I was last there, but I believe it's the same.
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Jose Oquendo posted:I thought that the Harry Potter areas were sort of like a Universal equivalent to Epcot or MGM. A separate area but still part of the main park. I just looked on Wikipedia - I had no idea they closed the original Star Tours ride. I'm glad I got to go on it in... '92?
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Red posted:I just looked on Wikipedia - I had no idea they closed the original Star Tours ride. I'm glad I got to go on it in... '92? It's still in Disneyland Paris as of a few months ago. It has not aged so great
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'd love to get drunk at a recreation of the Mos Eisely Cantina. Especially if they have someone in a Greedo suit walking around and harassing people.
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Fish Of Doom posted:Especially if they have someone in a Greedo suit walking around and harassing people. But you'll never be allowed to shoot him first! It's a Disney park, after all.
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Thwomp posted:But you'll never be allowed to shoot him first! He'll take way your drink, down it then belch "Greedo shot first."
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Jose Oquendo posted:That is absolutely at the top of the list for attractions at whatever Star Wars stuff they build. Whatever fits inside a 1:1 scale ISD.
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Fish Of Doom posted:Especially if they have someone in a Greedo suit walking around and harassing people. This could end hilariously badly for whoever is in the Greedo suit if they're serving alcohol. Imagine getting the poo poo beat out of you while you're wearing a mask and full costume.
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Space Jam posted:This could end hilariously badly for whoever is in the Greedo suit if they're serving alcohol. Imagine getting the poo poo beat out of you while you're wearing a mask and full costume. I'd be more worried about getting shot. First. 
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Battle of Hoth flight simulator in a snow speeder. Please.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'd love to get drunk at a recreation of the Mos Eisely Cantina. You just know it would always be full and you'd have to go to loving Dex's Diner or some bullshit instead.
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Since we're fantasizing, Lawrence Holland makes an X-wing sequel that supports next gen VR stuff like the Oculus Rift. ...Then I forget to leave the house for food or get up to go to the bathroom, and the neighbors find me mummified in the office chair a month later because of the rotting smell.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'd love to get drunk at a recreation of the Mos Eisely Cantina. I'd go to Epcot for this.
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That's something they should put in California Adventure since you can already just walk around that place drinking beer.
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Disney Hollywood Studios in Orlando does still have Star Tours. I went there in November. It was p. cool still. But yeah, we absolutely need all of the following, post haste: X-Wing/Millennium Falcon/Snow/Sand speeder/AT-AT rides, a Mos Eisley Cantina, a place like Ollivander's from Harry Potter but for light sabers, an Endor tree house playground for kids, a Naboo under water ride, Darth Maul face painters... Okay, stopping now.  
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Reinanigans posted:a place like Ollivander's from Harry Potter but for light sabers They kinda have this in the excellent Star Tours gift shop. There's always a huge line of kids waiting to make their own lightsabers. The Star Tours ride itself has been excellent ever since they revamped it at WDW a few years ago.
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Madurai posted:Whatever fits inside a 1:1 scale ISD. Just had an idea for the most amazing blimp of all time.
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Sit around the fire, kids, and let me tell you the story of Star War: The Backstroke of the West, a tale of love, loss, betrayal, and why it's a very bad idea to use machine translations as is without a bilingual editor. This is a "greatest hits" comparison of the infamous translation trainwreck (using the original blogpost that had made it memetic as a guide--the images are unfortunately broken on the newer version) with the actual English script, plus my commentary on what may have went wrong based on my own knowledge of Chinese. I can also attempt answer any questions you may have about the other subtitles, but since I can't find the Chinese script from which these subtitles were made, I can only offer you my best guess based on my own knowledge of Chinese. George Lucas posted:A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Backstroke of the West posted:Long time ago, in the faraway galaxy Chinese doesn't have an equivalent to "the" (only "this" or "that") or "a/an" (the closest is "one"), so the recursive translator made their best attempt at it and failed. George Lucas posted:Star Wars Backstroke of the West posted:Star war Chinese doesn't convey plural nouns in an elegant manner, and without context the recursive translator guessed incorrectly; they also didn't know about capitalization rules for proper nouns. George Lucas posted:Episode III Backstroke of the West posted:The third gathers And here we go with the guessing game that's going to make my head hurt. "The third gathers"? What sort of nonsense is this? Well, if the original was 第三集 ("the third part/collection"), then the recursive translation makes sense, as the recursive translator confused a noun with a verb. (While Chinese does have characters which are used to indicate conversions between parts of speech, nouns and verbs are pretty much used interchangeably.) A similar thing happened when attempting to translate the title. Sith was transliterated to 西斯, choosing two words that sounded like "Sith" to Chinese ears. The first syllable, 西, happens to mean "West". "反击" is a rather poor translation of "revenge" (it actually means something more along the lines of "counterattack" or "counterstrike"); when translating back to English, the word was incorrectly parsed such that the two characters were translated separately and literally, hence "backstroke". George Lucas posted:ANAKIN: This is where the fun begins. Backstroke of the West posted:Game time started This one's actually not bad! An A for effort.  George Lucas posted:OBI-WAN: Let them pass between us. Backstroke of the West posted:Our dichotomy opens the combat. More noun-verb confusion. Hell if I know what "dichotomy" was originally, though. George Lucas posted:DOOMED REDSHIRT: They're all over me! Backstroke of the West posted:They're in my behind! Whoops! This is what happens when you try to translate a language without taking into consideration the grammatical differences. In Chinese, this makes perfect sense: "他们在我的后面" - "They're [right] behind me!" but 在 gets mistranslated as "in" (parts of speech confusion again, here with a preposition being used as a verb), 我的 becomes "my" (technically correct, the worst kind of correct), and hilarity ensues. George Lucas posted:OBI-WAN: All right, R4. No, no. Backstroke of the West posted:Like, reach the man,Good good good I'm not 100% sure this is the right line, but based on timestamps and the line that follows it looks the closest (could anyone who's actually seen the movie in English give me a hand?). Again, since I don't have the original to reference (the official DVDs have this line translated correctly), I have no idea how this happened. I'm guessing because the dialogue was too fast-paced, even the Chinese translator was confused, which of course then further confused the recursive translator. George Lucas posted:OBI-WAN (OVER COMM LINK): R2, can you hear me? Backstroke of the West posted:R2, do you is loving (Again, I'm not 100% sure this is the right line.) This one's the result of the recursive translator being too clever for his own good. The original translation was (probably) something along the lines of "R2, what are you doing?", but in Chinese, the word for "do" also has that fun double-entendre to mean the other kind of doing, so it's often used in that context as "gently caress". George Lucas posted:PALPATINE: Get help. You're no match for him. Backstroke of the West posted:You two careful, he is a big I have no idea how "Sith lord" became "big". George Lucas posted:OBI-WAN: Chancellor Palpatine, Backstroke of the West posted:Mr. speaker, we are for the big This one's probably on the Chinese version (and using the first entry in a phrase dictionary), though "Speaker" also works, I guess since he's the head of the Senate. I can't be sure what the rest of the sentence was originally, but the intent is likely "we are here precisely for this reason". George Lucas posted:DOOKU: You have anger. Backstroke of the West posted:You are a sacrifice article Again, I blame this one on the Chinese version. The two pieces of dialogue are nothing alike! George Lucas posted:PALPATINE: He seems to be all right. Backstroke of the West posted:He big in nothing Ah, the first appearance of the infamous Good Elephant, another instance of incorrectly parsing a word. What it should be is 好象, "like" or "seems", but the two characters were translated separately and literally (as 象 can also mean "elephant", though in this context it means "likeness"; I believe the word for the animal came first, and then the same character was used for the abstract idea of "shaped like itself"). Ironically, this Good Elephant is actually instrumental in me parsing what the sentence is trying to get across; because that's there, I can sort of guess that the original Chinese ran something along the lines of "He seems to not have any major injuries." George Lucas posted:MOOK DROID: General, we found the Jedi. Backstroke of the West posted:Superior, they have escaped Another one I blame on the original Chinese, because otherwise I don't see how you could somehow come up with pretty much the opposite sentiment. George Lucas posted:GRIEVOUS: Activate ray shields. Backstroke of the West posted:I should really feeds you all dog Whee! More made up dialogue! And more mistranslations based on bad grammar, as it should be "I should really feed you all [to the] dogs!" George Lucas posted:ANAKIN: General Grievous. Backstroke of the West posted:Space general, you and not More grammar problems. I'm guessing that the original was "You are not as strong as I thought." George Lucas posted:GRIEVOUS: Jedi scum. Backstroke of the West posted:Smelly boy This is actually 100% accurate...to the original Chinese script, that is. Many translators tend to render insults "politely" than they were originally worded (which is why I find the mistranslation of "do" into "gently caress" especially hilarious), so poor Grievous ends up sounding childish. George Lucas posted:PILOT: Sir, we are falling out of orbit. All aft control cells are dead. Backstroke of the West posted:Giving first aid the already Here's another line I had a hell of a time figuring out what it's supposed to be, so I made a best guess. George Lucas posted:OBI-WAN: Landing strip, straight ahead. Backstroke of the West posted:The front is a lemon avenue Don't ask me how "landing strip" became "lemon avenue".  (I'm guessing some sort of slang may have been involved.)As for "flying straightly", that's the result of literally translating a grammatical construction. (It should be, of course, "fly straight [ahead]".) George Lucas posted:PADME: I can go early and fix up Backstroke of the West posted:I can breakfast for the new First, I think "early" got misinterpreted as "breakfast" by recursive translator (as both are rendered as 早点); the rest is the usual litany of grammatical mistakes. George Lucas posted:ANAKIN: You die in childbirth. Backstroke of the West posted:You died at the time More noun-verb confusion. George Lucas posted:PADME: And the baby? Backstroke of the West posted:Is that baby on the hoof? Wrong idiomatic expression, translator! "On the hoof" is used to refer to cattle, not babies. George Lucas posted:Our baby is a blessing. Backstroke of the West posted:Our baby blesses god'sly Combination typo/mis-translation? George Lucas posted:YODA: Premonitions . . . premonitions . . . Backstroke of the West posted:Pregnancy?Pregnancy I'm guessing that, since the happy couple discussed asking other people for advice in the previous scene, the Chinese translator misunderstood this scene and thought that Yoda was being told directly about what's going on, because I don't see how it's possible to recursively translate "premonition" into "pregnancy". George Lucas posted:The fear of loss is a path Backstroke of the West posted:Worry to lose Ironically, the recursive translation almost sounds more like something Yoda might say, since he usually uses Object-Subject-Verb word order (and Chinese does as well). As for "augury", I'm guessing this is a bad translation of "sign" or, again, "premonition". George Lucas posted:I won't let these visions come true, Backstroke to the West posted:I hope that these dreamses This one I gotta rag on the recursive translator a little. "Dreamses"? Really? You couldn't go look that up in a grammar book? (The rest is just the usual mangling of grammar.) Skipping over the "troopseses" (  ) and "gently caress" screencaps, since I've already covered what's wrong with them.George Lucas posted:PALPATINE: he could use the Force to influence Backstroke to the West posted:He even can use the original Close, but no cigar. "Dint" is a mistranslation of "Force". George Lucas posted:He became so powerful... Backstroke to the West posted:He become more and Bad word parsing again, probably. 强大 means "powerful", or, I guess, "strong and big" if you take the two characters literally. George Lucas posted:the only thing he was afraid of was... Backstroke to the West posted:Lost his power afterwards George Lucas posted:Then his apprentice killed him Backstroke to the West posted:Then his land killed him It's a bit of a mystery as to how "apprentice" became "land", but the rest is mostly grammar issues ("killed him in his bed" is what the recursive translator's probably going for). George Lucas posted:ANAKIN: [Obi-Wan and] the council Backstroke of the West posted:I was just made by the Okay, this one's a pretty funny recursive translation. What happened was that Jedi Council got translated to "Council of Elders", which, of course, the Presbyterian Church is (as it is ruled by a council of presbyters, i.e. elders). Fun fact: The "made by" part confused me the first time I saw it, but now in context with the English script, that actually makes sense. ("Made by" as in "they have me figured out", not "I'm now a member of their George Lucas posted:ANAKIN: Obi-Wan, may the Force be with you. Backstroke of the West posted:ratio tile, the wish power "Ratio tile" is a literal translation of the characters used to transliterate "Obi Wan". "Wish power" is a pretty apt recursive translation of the Force. quote:TLON MEDON: Tenth level, Backstroke of the West posted:Only have a little bit George Lucas posted:OBI-WAN: Hello there! Backstroke of the West posted:Everybody is good Ironically, this would've been a perfectly functional sentence if only the recursive translator dropped the "is", as "Everybody good?" would be perfectly in character snark for Obi-Wan to say. Alas, he translated an idiomatic phrase literally. George Lucas posted:GRIEVOUS: I will deal with this Jedi slime myself. Backstroke of the West posted:Let old man come to So close to being a coherent sentence, but not on purpose at all. "Old man" is an idiomatic expression that's roughly equivalent to "yours truly" (except a lot more arrogant sounding), and "hopeless" is a literal translation of the transliteration for Jedi, 绝地, which translates approximately to "hopeless situation" or "quagmire" (gasp! Accidental political subtext!). ...all right, I'm going to need to take a break here because I'm really starting to get a headache. More later, maybe. (Aside: I wonder what you brilliant folks in CineD would make of the new dialogue. Can we still construct a coherent narrative out of this? Or has it been hopelessly muddled by the Good Elephants?) dotchan fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Wow, that was boring as hell mate
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How the possibly nerd-enraging news that Leeland Yee (Keeper of The Holocron) just tweeted that the Star Wars universe calender is getting rearranged around Episode 1? He says they are still going to use the Before/After Battle of Yavin calender, though. It's the Julian/Gregorian thing all over again.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Wow, that was boring as hell mate I thought it was fun. 
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Red posted:I just looked on Wikipedia - I had no idea they closed the original Star Tours ride. I'm glad I got to go on it in... '92? Wait, really? I just rode it in Disney World in January. They just updated the whole ride like 2-3 years ago. edit: didn't read Mandrel fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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