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Ross Angeles posted:do people actually take QBR seriously If it fits my preconceived notions, I'll use it.
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Mystic Stylez posted:For reference, here's the QBR top 10: Cool, I wasn't aware there was a difference. I don't know how much of a difference 5 points makes but I would be pretty happy with a QB in the top 5. I completely agree that his schedule might make everything a trap and that's why I would prefer to franchise tag him and wait another year to confirm.
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Ross Angeles posted:do people actually take QBR seriously Total QBR or nuttin'
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I'm spending my last semester in grad school writing a 50 page masters thesis about how stats don't matter but combine scores do
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Doltos posted:Anyone who watched Cousins in college knew he was a pretty smart guy but was limited by his arm. I think he's still limited by his arm but whatever. Smart guys last in the NFL at QB, whether they're backups or starters. This was actually a huge sticking point I remember from his Gruden camp. He knew pretty much everything mentally and knew exactly what needed done but when Gruden was asking him to zip some 15 yard outs and tight Windows he would go where he needed to but the ball just could not ever get there in time. There is precedent for guys like him picking up zip with better mechanics though, considering his arm has looked better this year and guys like Brady are average arm strength and velocity drastically augmented by obsessive technique.
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TheGreyGhost posted:There is precedent for guys like him picking up zip with better mechanics though, considering his arm has looked better this year and guys like Brady are average arm strength and velocity drastically augmented by obsessive technique. It's amazing how much guys that haven't given up on starting can improve after a few years riding the pine, imo. When McCarron first came out during preseason I almost couldn't recognize his throws or footwork, he threw Manning ducks back in college (of course his shoulder injury could have done that for him)
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Weird comparison since McCarron still sucks.
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TheGreyGhost posted:There is precedent for guys like him picking up zip with better mechanics though, considering his arm has looked better this year and guys like Brady are average arm strength and velocity drastically augmented by obsessive technique. Brady is a prime example. He absolutely ascended in 2007 to be this do it all unbelievable QB that could put the ball anywhere. I really think it was just him getting used to his mechanics over time. I also think the mantra of 'you cant teach arm strength' is a little misleading. Throwing a football is all about physics. If you put more torque on the ball the ball will go farther. Torque can be achieved by properly setting your feet, throwing with your entire shoulder complex, and transferring force from your legs to your trunk to your hips to your torso to your arm. It's why midgets like Isaiah Thomas can jack NBA three point shots just as well as guys much taller and bigger than him. Cousins definitely looks like he has more zip on the ball than he did in college (which anyone should have because he was a noodle arm in college)
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Doltos posted:I'm spending my last semester in grad school writing a 50 page masters thesis about how stats don't matter but combine scores do There should be at least ten pages on all purpose yards for scrappy white players.
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Bigass Moth posted:There should be at least ten pages on all purpose yards for scrappy white players. A Treatise on Danny Woodhead
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Bigass Moth posted:There should be at least ten pages on all purpose yards for scrappy white players. Basically the argument is that if there is no significance when running a paired t-test between players testing speeds at the combine and metrics produced to qualify for a 'good' career then the difference between players is negligible. If I reach no significance in the statistical testing then I"m going to ascertain that all players are products of their systems and it's instead better to find an algorithm to combine testing to predict how well players fit in certain roles on football teams. I also want to prove that positions in football are vague but that's another paper. Anyway this is just basically a setup to the real bulk of the paper which is creating sports specific drills in the combine over useless drills. For instance, replacing the bench press with a force plate test because no one in the NFL engages a block using the same mechanics in a bench press. I also think the 40 yard dash should be done with DBs defending after 10 yards.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Cool, I wasn't aware there was a difference. I don't know how much of a difference 5 points makes but I would be pretty happy with a QB in the top 5. I completely agree that his schedule might make everything a trap and that's why I would prefer to franchise tag him and wait another year to confirm. Also reminder that QBR gives more credence to plays a quarterback makes when is team is behind than it does to plays when his team is ahead.
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Blitz7x posted:I really like Myles Jack I feel the same way but I don't think he is falling to 14 and I can't see Reggie ever trading up.
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:I feel the same way but I don't think he is falling to 14 and I can't see Reggie ever trading up. Nor should he, this draft is deep in our main need positions and we have a very good chance of grabbing a BPA CB at 14. I also will not be surprised if we trade down.
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I hope the Seahawks use every single draft pick on an O-lineman
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Parmesan Basil posted:Draft Carson Wentz! gently caress off
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I feel like I've asked this before but how do you all assess secondary players? I feel like watching game tape never tells a very full story because the camera only ever covers a CB/Safety when they're making a highlight play or getting beat. I can't help but feel that I'm missing the 80% of the game in which they actually played, be it the time their guy was so covered that the QB wouldn't even think of putting the ball over there as well as the times a blown coverage gets overlooked because it wasn't taken advantage of due to a blind passer.
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I think nfldraftwatch or something like that has the all-22
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I feel like I've asked this before but how do you all assess secondary players? It is pretty hard without All-22 film, but somewhat doable if you know what to look for. Watch the DBs at the moment of the snap, see how they react to the WR's motion, whether their hips turn fast enough to keep up, etc. On zone coverages you can see if they move quick enough to close down a checkdown option or outside running play.
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I agree but I think it should be a case-by-case evaluation of start or redshirt. Going into the 2014 season, the plan was to redshirt Carr but when it was apparent that Schaub's shoulder had fallen off his body, Carr started and probably is better for it. Same thing happened with Bortles and Henne, I think. Not sure if Henne got injured, though. Also not sure if it would have been better for Bortles to sit a year. Neither of these situations help the argument to sit a guy, though. A QB coming out this year, Goff, is a guy I really like as a pro but I think needs to get bigger and work on his footwork. I hope he gets drafted by a team that will let him sit a year or two and develop, I don't think he'd benefit at all from starting immediately. But then again, what do I know.
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This was Mike Holmgren's big strategy too: draft or sign a QB every year, because you'll never know what happens. He stashed Hasselbeck behind Favre for years before taking him to Seattle, and then Ted Thompson followed this strategy by grooming Aaron Rodgers behind Favre for years.
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warcrimes posted:I agree but I think it should be a case-by-case evaluation of start or redshirt. Going into the 2014 season, the plan was to redshirt Carr but when it was apparent that Schaub's shoulder had fallen off his body, Carr started and probably is better for it. Same thing happened with Bortles and Henne, I think. Not sure if Henne got injured, though. Also not sure if it would have been better for Bortles to sit a year. Neither of these situations help the argument to sit a guy, though. Goff is my favorite QB prospect but yeah, I think he'd be helped best by sitting and learning for a year or so. I feel the same way about Paxton Lynch and Carson Wentz, while I'm not that high on Connor Cook. This year's QB class is interesting because there are a lot of promising long-term prospects, but no sure-fire Week 1 starters like Winston and Mariota were last year. Makes me wonder how many teams will take the big picture in developing these guys, or throw them into the fire too soon to try saving their jobs.
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Draft Wentz or Lynch or Cook...whoever is there. Play Hoyer for another year. I'm down with this.
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PrinceRandom posted:gently caress off You can have Cook or Goff if you want.
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Coldforge posted:Would honestly rather take Dak Prescott than Paxton Lynch. This is fairly reasonable I think, Prescott's been super consistent his entire career and Lynch is sort of the came-from-nowhere hype kid
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Chichevache posted:A Treatise on Danny Woodhead Christian McCaffery is gonna be Woodhead 2.0 when he gets to the NFL. I know it's not for another year, but he'll make someone very happy.
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Coldforge posted:Would honestly rather take Dak Prescott than Paxton Lynch. I'm kind of hoping the Bears take Prescott in like the 2nd/3rd and sit him behind Cutler for a couple of years. He's obviously got a ton of physical ability, and it seems like he's improved every year in college.
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Benne posted:Goff is my favorite QB prospect but yeah, I think he'd be helped best by sitting and learning for a year or so. I feel the same way about Paxton Lynch and Carson Wentz, while I'm not that high on Connor Cook. The browns are going to ruin at least one of these promising young talents.
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So what guy with character/weed issues is going to fall to the Chiefs at 28?
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Kirios posted:Draft Wentz or Lynch or Cook...whoever is there. Draft Wentz, sit him for two years behind Brees after the Saints cut him
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No Butt Stuff posted:So what guy with character/weed issues is going to fall to the Chiefs at 28? You're about to become familiar with North Dakota State football, my friend
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/689189487155515392
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I mean, there's not really a Luck or Winston this year. I guess somebody could fall madly in love with Goff and trade up, but eh...
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