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Latin Pheonix posted:Just watching the latest ATV and they're making such a massive deal about programming their ATC. Now I'm not a fancy-pants game developer so I have no idea how it works, but surely you could just have a simple queue? For example, if you have 3 landing pads and all 3 are filled then just inform the 4th spaceship to wait until one of the ships has despawned from the pad, and if that 4th ship leaves then move the 5th ship waiting up a spot. I can't imagine this would be as difficult to develop as they're making it out to be. Think of it from the point of view of a small but plucky trolls (i.e. dead gay comedy forum users), and how to have fun: 1. You can occupy all available landing slots, and simply..park there, indefinitely, denying anyone else use to the station. 2. You cripple all the other ships on the landing pads, creating an impassable backlog. 3. Potentially certain landing pads too small for certain large autism chariots, try and land them there anyway. There's a reason E:D has harsh and uncaring traffic control.
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The Titanic posted:In JIRA CR is solving all these code blockers himself by going through each ticket and changing the version from 3.0 to 3.1. There is a lot more truth in that than you might think... That sudden dip looks a lot like bug triage to me.
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Spuckuk posted:Think of it from the point of view of a small but plucky trolls (i.e. dead gay comedy forum users), and how to have fun: Deploy the Space Bulldozer!
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Codezombie posted:Deploy the Space Bulldozer! Crobberts foresaw this all along 
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Codezombie posted:I'm now genuinely curious about just how SC AI is going to (not) work. You are way overthinking this. They will never even approach tackling these problems in any meaningful sense. I get you, though.
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If I understand it correctly, they are not actually fixing those bugs, but are moving them to the next sprint. So they basically say "move all bugs that don't prevent you from getting in your ship and flying to location a from the bug tracker, we will deal with them later". So they plan to release a slice of 3.0 to evocati, which is mostly  bugfree while working on the rest of 3.0, because they know they have to release something, else Rome burns.So not only have they already reduced the scope of 3.0 drastically, they are even slicing it into smaller parts to release SOMETHING to Evocati. Someone remind me...didn't they do exactly the same with 2.4 or was it 2.5? And then promised monthly updates because they had to cut half of what was promised? So they are currently doing exactly the same thing again. CIG is awesome. They redefine what is possible.
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The landing pad issue has already been solved, stupid goonies. As the servers are going to be limited to 12 players they just need to make each landing zone contain 12 or more pads.
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Chunjee posted:I'm not having a go at Jira but we use it at work and I find it to be an incredible source of busy work. I'm sure it helps some higher ups see where things are at, but is it worth the daily hour of ticketing and year of "getting" Jira setup right. Jira is the crazy ex-girlfriend that you know is bad for you, but you just can't quit. We're a fortune 500, we have people who do the configuring, but I've tried to produce a consistent workflow for years that devolves into something utterly poo poo. Bear in mind, fortune 500, I currently have to assign a ticket that is already assigned to get it to assign. Where it really starts to shine is when you need Stash (git for corporates) integration or someone wants to stare into the abyss called 'crucible'. Weirdly, we're currently data-rich and information poor because although people want metrics, they're really bad at specifying the metric they want and what action they're going to take. Spuckuk posted:Lol, just loving lol that it's five years in and they don;t even have JIRA, the most standard bug tracking software, working properly. Yeah, although I've pointed out some of the woes, it's mainly because we have thousands of projects and hundreds of teams with varying degrees of scrumminess. A single company with multiple offices should be something that you set up in an afternoon; but I think it underlines the real issue in terms that they hadn't figured out specific roles for the offices, and instead went chaotic, which is why Erin is making the plea. In commercial programming, we'd have a pull request to socialize the risk to pushing out bad code to production (and the figure of around $70K/minute in lost revenue). It _used to be_ that a fuckup would head to a meeting to explain what happened, why it happened and why it won't happen again. I've been in that position, and you have a vested interest in not doing it too many times, but people committing fixes that are untested fucks _everyone_ involved. Not getting Jira right is a symptom of their wider problems, and I suspect it's because leadership depends on how Chris feels.
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SomethingJones posted:
DOORS. DOORS ARE STILL A loving PROBLEM. Sorry if old news, just watching for first time, but loving doors.
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Yep, the old "patch a month charade". Problem is, now supposedly since they have a delta patcher it will be hard for them to walk back on what they have said.
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I want to make a post here, but my mind is broken by their constantly backsteps and redefinitions. They need to stop putting bigger numbers down on the table. It's not like the numbers ever mean anything or help anything. They just arbitrarily jump up, regardless of the fact they have never released what was meant to be several numbers ago. Now they are deliberately releasing buggy, broken poo poo for no reason at all. Just make the whole game spew Thanks for playing Wing Commander over everything. Broken helmet: "Thanks for playing...". Broken animation, nice big animated "Thanks...". Even some broken audio can join in.
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Codezombie posted:Deploy the Space Bulldozer! I think a space bulldozer might actually work as intended on one of those spinny space stations in Elite 
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Codezombie posted:I've seen this sort of ATC style overdesign a couple of times in my career. Usually the design team goes away, gets carried away and over designs something, usually without consulting the coders. When the coders finally get to see the design, they take the Designers into a quiet, out of the way office and *BEAT THEM WITH CANES* after that a simpler design which is achievable within a reasonable time frame is delivered. This was me with designers in the 1990s. Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Ahhh poo poo, i'm handing in my gladioli and hearing aid. Have a daffodil. You might be thinking of Dame Edna Everidge. tuo posted:If I understand it correctly, they are not actually fixing those bugs, but are moving them to the next sprint. Managing scope. Hell, I'd be very surprised if they aren't also scrubbing tickets. That's where you close something on the basis that it might have been fixed elsewhere, but nobody actually wants to go and check.
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Sillybones posted:I want to make a post here, but my mind is broken by their constantly backsteps and redefinitions. Their biggest mistake was delaying 3.0 rather than moving to a 4.0 and releasing whatever poo poo they had. Gamescom was apparently what they'd spent the year doing, and a large portion of that was refactors of Eckhart and the shoulder mounted railgun, which to this day triggers me more than it should. They're placing a lot of importance on 3.0 that _cannot_ be borne out by what we've seen so far, breathless blog descriptions notwithstanding.
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Crazypoops posted:morale looking good  At first I thought this couldn't be real and had been 'shopped. They ALL look so. loving. miserable.
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big nipples big life posted:tbf i've never been to a meeting that doesn't look like that, no matter where I was working at the time. more so if you're being video recorded for the world to observe
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Codezombie posted:I'm now genuinely curious about just how SC AI is going to (not) work. I was trying to wrap my mind around this as well. Given their tendency to solve problems by just coping what Elite does, I bet each instance will have a completely different set of randomly generated NPCs
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Sillybones posted:Flicking a switch is essentially just flicking on a switch server side. Then everything game will be playable. You'd know this if you watch video. Speaking of flipping switches, GW2 Path of Fire came out today. I was playing GW2 and suddenly people were saying PoF was out and I was like, oh right, the expansion comes out today time to respec then go see the silly story and get to the real gameplay; grinding mastery points for the new mounts... My point is why can't any other MMOs 'just flip a switch' and release their expansions without requiring days of downtime/stability problems?
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Roflan posted:Speaking of flipping switches, GW2 Path of Fire came out today. I was playing GW2 and suddenly people were saying PoF was out and I was like, oh right, the expansion comes out today time to respec then go see the silly story and get to the real gameplay; grinding mastery points for the new mounts... My point is why can't any other MMOs 'just flip a switch' and release their expansions without requiring days of downtime/stability problems? FF14 doesn't have a bunch of downtime either but they do weird server poo poo because I strongly believe japanese developers have no idea internet and server infrastructure has improved since 2002
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Well, ya, but I mean literally without any downtime. For both GW2's expansions, I was ingame when they launched and actually forgot they were releasing that day. GW2 just doesn't have downtime whether for patches or expansions and I marvel at how they do it.
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Hav posted:Jira is the crazy ex-girlfriend that you know is bad for you, but you just can't quit. We're a fortune 500, we have people who do the configuring, but I've tried to produce a consistent workflow for years that devolves into something utterly poo poo. That bug chart with the perfect downward trend from 80 bugs is either total bullshit or only telling a tiny part of the story. There's no way they've fixed 80+ bugs and not had a single one come back as unfixed or breaking something else.
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toiletbrush posted:That bug chart with the perfect downward trend from 80 bugs is either total bullshit or only telling a tiny part of the story. There's no way they've fixed 80+ bugs and not had a single one come back as unfixed or breaking something else. Yah, doesn't look too natural does it. The only way you'd get a drop off like that is if you decided "well, we don't really need this feature, so that removes about five bugs"
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Roflan posted:Well, ya, but I mean literally without any downtime. For both GW2's expansions, I was ingame when they launched and actually forgot they were releasing that day. GW2 just doesn't have downtime whether for patches or expansions and I marvel at how they do it. you download the expansion weeks earlier, it just gets flagged as available at a certain date/time, you don't even need to logout or anything, just start playing
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tuo posted:Wait, there is another way to avoid beeing scanned than going into the mailslot full (after)burn? Silent Running and Heatsinks
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Mu77ley posted:Silent Running Not a guarantee, but still an effective way of getting your cargo of slaves past port security
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I’m reading this as a 4 part comic where they build the table proudly show it off, play on it for awhile, and then management removes it because it’s hurting productivity or whatever. Is that not what we’re seeing? Taxxe: https://youtu.be/DuU82cQiv5k
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Chris saw the Squadron 42 and wanted Squadron 42 so he built Squadron 42 for Squadron 42. With Chris, the dumber the theory the closer to truth.
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happyhippy posted:DOORS. DOORS ARE STILL A loving PROBLEM. Make sense. The engine cant determine your position with enough precision to know when you cross the threshold. When your position relative to the door is within the engine margin of error your at the same time outside and inside the door, so poo poo breaks. Maybe the problem is that : a) if they set the scale so the engine do good on ship, fps goes to poo poo. You get ejected from ships, vibrate trough the floor, etc b) if they set the scale so its good for FPS, ship objects aggregate explode without warning (engine cant tell if the gun object is at the correct distance from the engine object) and the fps goes way down because the server physic frame take longer to calculate. Every patch iteration goes from a to b in steps until they find the most stable scale setting. At every steps some doors and elevator works but other breaks, depending of the scale and how they where coded in the engine. No setting allow for everything to work fine. Note this is pure speculation. Not a game dev and no experience with
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TheAgent posted:wheres the next concept sale https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/spaceship-prices/485961 
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doingitwrong posted:I’m reading this as a 4 part comic where they build the table proudly show it off, play on it for awhile, and then management removes it because it’s hurting productivity or whatever. Is that not what we’re seeing? Perhaps. About the only things I get from the pictures are: 1) They assembled it themselves. So probably not level. 2) As previously mentioned it is without markers. 3) Custom felt design. Probably a surcharge. 4) And 30 chalk marks on the felt because they were probably drunk trying trick shots. Sums up the company. Appearance over function.
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big nipples big life posted:tbf i've never been to a meeting that doesn't look like that, no matter where I was working at the time. Nah man, I've been to my share of meetings and that right there is a room full of IDGAF.
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Codezombie posted:There is a lot more truth in that than you might think... theyve explicitly said they're doing that
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Daztek posted:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/spaceship-prices/485961 lol it's another loving motorcycle.
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Crazypoops posted:morale looking good Heh Ben Parry wearing an Elite Dangerous T-Shirt there. I mean, well why not.
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