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ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
assumed ppl would have posted it here already but since noone did; new bismuth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_uRIyAgtpE

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
Does minecraft not have fixed seeds? If not how do you speedrun minecraft at all?

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

It does have fixed seeds, there's separate categories for fixed seed runs and random seed runs

Random seed runs work the same way as roguelike speedruns - lots and lots of grinding until you get lucky

repiv fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Feb 11, 2021

Peewi
Nov 8, 2012

oldskool posted:

https://twitter.com/KubeRuns/status/1358898697338298372

I don't think anything will come of this, but hey, nobody thinks anything will come of anything until it does and it can't hurt to try

Doesn't the Twitch partner agreement disallow streaming on other platforms, preventing a bunch of people from participating in this?

Lynx Winters
May 1, 2003

Borderlawns: The Treehouse of Pandora
Pretty sure it's just that you can't broadcast to twitch and another site simultaneously. There's plenty of people that stream on youtube and twitch on separate days.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

Groovelord Neato posted:

Bill Mitchell. Todd Rodgers was the guy who claimed to have an impossible time in Dragster.


He learned how to game the community tab on YouTube (which pretty much isn't used) to boost his videos and became one of if not the fastest growing channel ever.
Oh poo poo getting my high score retrogame weirdos mixed up lol.

Billy ofc had the much more elaborate methods of 'knowing the guys who run twin galaxies' and 'sending a letter saying I had an impossible score to activision in the 80s'.

I do love how when everyone caught on to the community posts being incredibly highly placed in the algorithm (largely because nobody else used them they got shown to everyone) eveyone was instantly 'oh right that explains Dreams' popularity' lol.

Mr Phillby fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Feb 11, 2021

pairofdimes
May 20, 2001

blehhh

TeaJay posted:

RGLove, an annual event for RetrogamingLiveTV is on for the rest of the week:

https://horaro.org/rglove2021/schedule

This marathon has been pretty fun, a lot of the runs have been pretty short at less than half an hour. Of course I say this right as several multi-hour runs are coming up, but Legend of Mana seems to be going well so far.

LibrarianCroaker
Mar 30, 2010

Peewi posted:

Doesn't the Twitch partner agreement disallow streaming on other platforms, preventing a bunch of people from participating in this?

I'm not a twitch employee or a partner, but that matches my understanding of the partner contract.

That said, it doesn't apply to the Affiliate program, which is much more common than full on partnership.

Smart Car
Mar 31, 2011

Lynx Winters posted:

Pretty sure it's just that you can't broadcast to twitch and another site simultaneously. There's plenty of people that stream on youtube and twitch on separate days.
And yes, it's this. They also have a 24 hour exclusivity period on content you stream to Twitch; so for streamers that upload their streams to youtube as well they have to wait at least one day before doing so, but there's nothing stopping a Twitch partner from streaming to another platform per their agreement with Twitch, someone who is a Twitch partner might be reluctant to do so just because Twitch is probably a decent amount of their income though.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.
the contracts vary from person to person but mine totally does prohibit streaming to platforms besides Twitch, even if it's not a simul-broadcast

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

repiv posted:

It does have fixed seeds, there's separate categories for fixed seed runs and random seed runs

Random seed runs work the same way as roguelike speedruns - lots and lots of grinding until you get lucky

Ah. So the cheating was that he used a fixed seed, called it random and then "randomly" got a 1 in 10million perfect seed?

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Ah. So the cheating was that he used a fixed seed, called it random and then "randomly" got a 1 in 10million perfect seed?

No, he used random seeds, the cheating part was that he modded the game to boost the droprate of certain items necessary to beat the game.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!


SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

the contracts vary from person to person but mine totally does prohibit streaming to platforms besides Twitch, even if it's not a simul-broadcast

To add to the person-to-person nature, I believe Critical Role, a twitch partner, now simulcasts on twitch and YouTube. So if you get big enough you can push back a bit, perhaps.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

Teddybear posted:

To add to the person-to-person nature, I believe Critical Role, a twitch partner, now simulcasts on twitch and YouTube. So if you get big enough you can push back a bit, perhaps.

Yeah, I think you can negotiate around it but I have no idea how to go about that. I wouldn't mind doing so just because I like options even though I have basically no presence on YouTube, but still, no reason to limit one's self.

TeaJay
Oct 9, 2012


It looks like ESA Winter is starting up as well, with a ... 20 hour pre-show run of Skies of Arcadia?

I kinda skipped the last ESA event due to what they pulled with Punchy and KZ_Frew and frankly not super keen on watching now either, but I will probably check out a few runs here and there. There's certainly some entertaining people running, if you got the time.

https://esamarathon.com/schedule/

pmcTRILOGY
Feb 9, 2014

MY BRAND!
I ended up pulling my two runs from ESA Summer Online on account of that retaliation. Not sure when I want to submit again.

Schedule looks pretty OK, though, definitely some quality runs and runners here.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



If you watch but don't donate, does that mean you're going against Big ESA, by sticking it to The Man?

Studio
Jan 15, 2008



ESA seriously caring about donations? lmao

MagusofStars
Mar 31, 2012



Is ESA only doing one stream this time? Or is there a separate schedule for stream 2 that I'm dumb and missing?

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.
I found out semi recently ESA put a whole bunch of phrases related to me and how people used to harass me on their host/donation blacklist, so it's nice to know they always had the capacity to do something about it and just chose not to until after throwing me under the bus, at which point it sorta stops mattering.

Not to be overly dramatic or nothing, but I've wound up drifting away from a lot of people over it all just because I sort of passively distrust anyone who continues to openly associate with ESA especially if I know that they know what went down because it communicates that my being lied to, harassed by attendees and abused by the event staff's collective indifference over a period of years means less to them than some fleeting spotlight from a pretty middling production. It's not that I think they're explicitly bad people or anything, it's just...difficult to open up to them with that in my mind.

anyway have fun ha ha

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

I found out semi recently ESA put a whole bunch of phrases related to me and how people used to harass me on their host/donation blacklist, so it's nice to know they always had the capacity to do something about it and just chose not to until after throwing me under the bus, at which point it sorta stops mattering.

Not to be overly dramatic or nothing, but I've wound up drifting away from a lot of people over it all just because I sort of passively distrust anyone who continues to openly associate with ESA especially if I know that they know what went down because it communicates that my being lied to, harassed by attendees and abused by the event staff's collective indifference over a period of years means less to them than some fleeting spotlight from a pretty middling production. It's not that I think they're explicitly bad people or anything, it's just...difficult to open up to them with that in my mind.

anyway have fun ha ha

I don't think anyone sane would really blame you for that.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Yeah, no, that's extremely understandable.

Artemis J Brassnuts
Jan 2, 2009
I regret😢 to inform📢 I am the most sexually🍆 vanilla 🍦straight 📏 dude😰 on the planet🌎
I don’t follow the scene enough to know the backstory but I’m sorry you got harassed, punchy. It’s a bummer that ESA is no good - I live in southern Sweden these days and was looking forward to checking out their events. I do love that all the alternative streams are popping up in the wake of all the inclusion issues the big events are having, though.

dirby
Sep 21, 2004


Helping goons with math
After watching their videos for years, I only just consciously realized that Bismuth and Bisqwit are not the same person.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Well TIL that Karl Jobst and that Goose guy are both shitheads. They made awesome videos on speedrunning that I’ve been following for a while. Dang.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
What did Karl Jobst do?

Lynx Winters
May 1, 2003

Borderlawns: The Treehouse of Pandora

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

he used his huge fanbase to run kevinddr off twitch because kevinddr committed the cardinal sin of being a gay man

gently caress karl jobst

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



I would blow Dane Cook posted:

What did Karl Jobst do?

in addition to the above, he was also very active in rwhitegoose's discord for years and on at least one occasion whined about it being a double standard that black people can use the n-word and white people can't. he also at no point that i'm aware of ever condemned any of the absolutely terrible poo poo goose ever said, prolly because, again, he was very active in goose's discord for years and therefore was, at the bare minimum, complicit in goose having very important opinions on how to answer the jewish question.

gently caress karl jobst.

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Alongside all the actual evidence of shitbaggery, Jobst is also Australian which carries like a 60% chance of being terrible

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Does he also believe that interracial porn is a Jewish plot to eliminate the white race or is that just goose?

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth
So Nazis. Got it.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Homora Gaykemi posted:

Alongside all the actual evidence of shitbaggery, Jobst is also Australian which carries like a 60% chance of being terrible

it's true

Terrible Opinions posted:

Does he also believe that interracial porn is a Jewish plot to eliminate the white race or is that just goose?

oh my god lmao

What the gently caress does Goldeneye do to people

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

kirbysuperstar posted:


oh my god lmao

What the gently caress does Goldeneye do to people

A few months ago the yt algorithm recommended me a random video of some guy doing a casual playthrough on 00 difficulty, so I watched the whole series to relive my childhood.

I checked his other uploads to see if there was any other games and, whoops turns out he was a giant chud

I was so mad. You're right, what is it with people into GoldenEye.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Terrible Opinions posted:

Does he also believe that interracial porn is a Jewish plot to eliminate the white race or is that just goose?

You can find him in pretty much any screenshot of Goose nazi-ing it up agreeing with him 100%, so the answer is 'always both'.

Relatedly, I was a big fan of both their videos until this, too. I got into Karl from Goose and was trucking along until ApolloLegend's defense video of Goose made me notice that he never actually shows what Goose got in trouble for, so I checked it out and it was, shocking, literal Nazi stuff. And Karl was right there in the screenshots, nodding in approval.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.
i find it a bit freaky that everyone so readily seems to have just glossed over Jobst's at best, complicitness in Goose's awfulness and at worst active agreement with it

like well done speedrun scene you successfully outed a chud after years of people yelling about it and it being super obvious. but then you just let someone else who is for most purposes identical take his place. cool. nothing actually improved.

This thread is actually the only place I've seen that's regularly on the ball with pointing it out, everywhere else attempting it's difficult to even broach the topic let alone get people to respond to it

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

kirbysuperstar posted:

it's true


oh my god lmao

What the gently caress does Goldeneye do to people

My theory is that there's a sort of feedback loop where because the Goldeneye speedrunning community is already full of crappy people, anybody who tries to become part of it either becomes equally crappy or bounces. But that's just a theory. A GAME theory!

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

i find it a bit freaky that everyone so readily seems to have just glossed over Jobst's at best, complicitness in Goose's awfulness and at worst active agreement with it

like well done speedrun scene you successfully outed a chud after years of people yelling about it and it being super obvious. but then you just let someone else who is for most purposes identical take his place. cool. nothing actually improved.

This thread is actually the only place I've seen that's regularly on the ball with pointing it out, everywhere else attempting it's difficult to even broach the topic let alone get people to respond to it

i blame it on two things:

- karl jobst successfully controlled the response to go 'well nowhere in the images do you actually SEE ME say the same garbage stuff, just hang around and be fine with it for years and also maybe i do respond to it once or twice' + jobst fans run with it

- a lot of the speedrun and speedrun fan community is still full of the same lovely people that are in game fandoms as a whole and are invested in keeping as many people like them around

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

flatluigi posted:

i blame it on two things:

- karl jobst successfully controlled the response to go 'well nowhere in the images do you actually SEE ME say the same garbage stuff, just hang around and be fine with it for years and also maybe i do respond to it once or twice' + jobst fans run with it

- a lot of the speedrun and speedrun fan community is still full of the same lovely people that are in game fandoms as a whole and are invested in keeping as many people like them around

Pretty much this. "Oh he just nods in total agreement in some screenshots, that doesn't mean anything" seems to be the main take away.

It reminds me of people I see defending ApolloLegend as clearly being right to go after GDQ for banning Goose because of his financial incentive to as he was trying to start a rival speedrunning org, ignoring the fact that the reason why he went after them for Goose specifically because he was Goose's business partner and also clearly knew he was a Nazi. So he's friends and business partners with a Nazi and is willing to protect a Nazi from consequences of being a Nazi... how is he not doing wrong?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Ariong posted:

But that's just a theory. A GAME theory!

:tizzy:

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Studio
Jan 15, 2008



Are Perfect Dark runners also Nazis, or like, just general Fascists? Is it like a gradiating thing where the farther a game is from Goldeneye the less Nazi the runners are.

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