Falun Bong Refugee posted:

Put the fork down fatties. It's not hard.

rap music posted:

you can eat like a complete piece of poo poo and not be fat as long as you stop eating enough to feed three people

School Nickname posted:

As a loving fatass who hates himself I do not understand how HAES has become a thing. Being fat is poo poo. You get out-of-breath from a loving 10 minute walk. You sweat like a motherfucker. Never knowing when your next diarrhea episode will ambush you and make you go from "I'm ok. This is fine." to "Jesus gently caress, where's the nearest bathroom!?" in 10 minutes. Half-paranoid that every time a person looks at you they scream, "Man that guy is a loving disgusting fatass!" internally. loving Chub Rub. HAES seems to me to be an American thing, so are all these guys on so much meds that they don't notice all the things I do? My body tells me everyday in its own way that I'm a blimp, a behemoth, a monstrosity that has made him unfuckable and that this is all punishment.

Also the 400+ pound people terrify me. I've never actually seen one in my life who didn't have a genetic disorder like downs syndrome, etc. At my very worst I was 280. Chips, crisps and booze mainly. I probably would have ballooned way past 300 if cakes and pastries were my thing, but I hate stuff that's too sweet.

Now that I'm back at college I'm making at least some effort to cut down, because looking at all these thin, athletic, insanely attractive 20+ year olds just shames me even more. I tried keto before and lost 30 pounds in a month, but the diet is way too restrictive (Plus any eggs now give me the shits two hours hours after eating). So I guess I'll just stick to fruit+yogurt blends, boring rear end meat + mirepoix stews (really tasty actually) and just plain old boiled/fried chicken with chicken spice if I'm in a pinch. Learning to cook actual meals instead of buying poo poo and shovelling it into my fatass mouth has been an amazing help. Addiction to cider is a problem though!

The Saurus posted:

alcohol makes a huge difference though, quit drinking and start using some other drug that doesn't contain calories instead. also only drink 0 calorie liquids

rap music posted:

you can eat like a complete piece of poo poo and not be fat as long as you stop eating enough to feed three people

runupon cracker posted:

Are you serious when you say you hate yourself? If so, why? It's not because you're fat (if anything, being fat is a symptom, not a cause). If you don't know why you're fat, you should figure it out soon. Quite possibly you hate *being* fat, which may sound like a trivial distinction, but it's really not. From your last sentence in that paragraph, it sounds like you have some deeper emotional issues you should work through. If you truly hate *you*, losing weight isn't going to fix it.

If you haven't already, work out your adjusted BMR and start tracking your calories. There are lots of sites out there for tracking, and it's well worth the effort. There's no need to do keto or any other ridiculous diet. 30 lbs in a month is excessive if you're under 250 lbs because there's no question you're losing muscle as well; stick to a 500-1000 cal deficit and you'll get where you want to be in a decent amount of time without losing a ton of muscle.

Don't cut out cider completely, just have it less often. It's important that you're still reasonably happy with your food intake. Is that something you drink every day? Reduce it to a smaller portion, once every few days. Sugary drinks are bad in general but they can be ok if you balance them out.

Falun Bong Refugee posted:

Keto is pretty good dude. After like week one you're not even hungry.

The Saurus posted:

heroin doesn't make you fat though i don't get the comparison??

LordArgh posted:

shits that just slide out and require no wipes are the best.

exethan posted:

i call em phantom shits

Panfilo posted:

The other goon that brought that up did it in response to a question I had about how other countries deal with obesity. It wasn't quite answering the question I asked; I meant more how do they deal with it socially. For example, in the US obesity is very common, fat people are an easy target because they are all over the place and it isn't hard for a goon to find a strawman fatty to base their horrible attitudes on. People also compare us to much thinner countries where they don't have as many fat people.

So those thinner countries, like Japan (which I initially mentioned), France, or say, uh, Scandanavia in general (they seem pretty slender and blonde up there); they have a different lifestyle which keeps their weight a healthy level; they eat healthier and get better exercise and have at least two of the three (reasonable work hours, excellent health care, walkable cities). There's still going to be a few fat people, and I was wondering how they were treated in these other countries were obesity is rare. Are they mocked worse than fat people in the US, because its more unusual to be fat in those other places? Are they treated with more sympathy and respect? Are they pariahs?

Even in the US I very rarely see Chinese/Japanese-American women that are fat (Filipinos are a different story). There's obviously cultural pressure not to be bigger if being fat isn't genetic as people claim.

So what's happening here?

Panfilo posted:

People are going to claim it would never work in the US because of whiny fatties and all that, but I mainly see the issue from a privacy angle; if your employer could mandate weight loss to that level, they'd have a precedent to mandate a lot of other things.

Zahgaegun posted:

My (USA) employer (USA) already has programs that request weight, height, waist circumference, A1c, blood pressure, cholesterol, and nicotine tests. Every year when it rolls around you hear the fats complain about 'privacy' while carrying around cell phones, using Facebook, and the like.

It's not a mandate as it's given as discounts against the standard insurance rates. Everyone pays $X and you get discounts for each one of the above measurements that you hit the target. Saves me about $1,000/yr.

Say Nothing posted:

Carmant posted:

Stupid people definitely dont watch shows like that to feel better about themselves/feel angry about someone being fat so I cant imagine any reason why the je.. producer would make poo poo up to please the target audience

Bum the Sad posted:

Or you can do what I do often and just not eat all day long until dinner. And then eat all three meals at once like a giant piece of poo poo but not gain weight because you're at a big calorie deficit for the day.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

thats actually a terrible way to do it. Eating once daily typically makes your body think you are conservation mode so you hold on to more of what you eat. If you are managing to maintain a weight or lose weight while eating like this you would probably have way more success by eating in properly spaced intervals.

Panfilo posted:

Even in the US I very rarely see Chinese/Japanese-American women that are fat (Filipinos are a different story). There's obviously cultural pressure not to be bigger if being fat isn't genetic as people claim.

So what's happening here?

CDC Obesity and Socioeconomic Status Study posted:

The relationship between obesity and socioeconomic status differs by sex and race and ethnicity group. Among women, and specifically non-Hispanic white women, obesity prevalence increases as income (PIR) decreases, while among non-Hispanic black and Mexican-American men obesity prevalence decreases as income (PIR) decreases. Although the prevalence of obesity among women with income below 130% of the poverty level is higher than among those with higher incomes, most obese women do not have incomes below 130% of the poverty level. Among men and women with a college degree, the prevalence of obesity is lower than among those with some college education. There is no significant trend between obesity and education among men. However, college educated women are less likely to be obese compared with those with less than a high school diploma. Between 1988–1994 and 2005–2008 the prevalence of obesity increased in adults at all levels of income and education.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

thats actually a terrible way to do it. Eating once daily typically makes your body think you are conservation mode so you hold on to more of what you eat. If you are managing to maintain a weight or lose weight while eating like this you would probably have way more success by eating in properly spaced intervals.

Blitter posted:

This is kinda interesting! I was poking around looking for obesity stats for the US regarding ethnicity/income/etc, and I came across a CDC brief - NCHS Data Brief - Obesity and Socioeconomic Status in Adults: United States, 2005–2008. What I found was weirdly surprising, as follows:


It must boil down to cultural and social reasons explaining the differences but it is really kind of weird. White women get fatter as they get poorer, while non-white women get thinner; non-hispanic black and mexican american men get fatter as they get richer, white men just get fatter regardless of income or education.

And in general, everyone gets fatter.

I was trying to find some good stats on obesity related comorbidities, hospitalization time and quality of life metrics, but jesus it's some awful stuff. Also treatment options are so different between socalized medicare countries and the US that it's not really easy to compare studies from various national sources.

But it is universally grim reading, regardless of origin.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

thats actually a terrible way to do it. Eating once daily typically makes your body think you are conservation mode so you hold on to more of what you eat. If you are managing to maintain a weight or lose weight while eating like this you would probably have way more success by eating in properly spaced intervals.

Panfilo posted:

Cool, thanks for the data. I've heard anecdotes (though admittedly not data) about how in some cultures, like african american communities, where there is less of a stigma about women being heavier, and it is used to explain why african american women tend to be more obese as they get older (less social pressure to be thin).

Filipinos and pacific islanders in general seem to skew heavier as well, and we also see some racial groups far more prone to diabetes (even at the same level of obesity) as other races. So perhaps there is more of a genetic component than people give credit, though obviously its not as simplistic as "Gets fat no matter what".