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Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary

Kitfox88 posted:

So are there any pokemon fangames that are actually solid enough to be recommended in general? Or do they all have pretty big drawbacks like a hosed up level curve and deep mature storylines for deep mature gamers and whatnot? I've got the itch again between this and Reborn, and have nothing but time on my hands at the moment, but no system to play any of the mainline games on right now.

Phoenix Rising is worth a look. I found it fairly enjoyable. Same for Ethereal Gates.


KataraniSword posted:

If you're willing to dig around with romhacks you can generally find some okay ones. Liquid Crystal, Gaia, and Glazed are pretty much the cream of the crop there, but if you poke around you can find plenty of others of varying but "above average" quality. Pokemon Quartz is awkward and at times nonsensical but in the light of recent fangames, the LP of it gave it a really bad rap and honestly it does everything right except its fakemon sprites (which tend to, uh. Well, a 13-year old made them)


Liquid Crystal was fun until leaving Violet City. The level curve suddenly got bullshit, and my interest died.

I will toss out a rec for Rocket Edition. It's. . .not bad. Still needs work, and it follows the manga's lead in making multiple Gym Leaders scummy people, but it's worth a cursory look at least.

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Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.

Kitfox88 posted:

Is Sage still under development? Last thing I heard about it was like more than a year ago IIRC, but I'm glad to hear it's solid enough so far. I'll look into the toohoo game since I'm a bastard anime loser and touhou's neat. :v:

As far as I know it is, but the devs have been pretty clear that a full version won't be out for quite some time. I haven't exactly been following it as of late, though.

e: another good thing about toohoo game is that it's balanced enough that it lets you start with literally any touhou you want up to LoLK without it being a big issue.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
I can't speak with a lot of authority, because I'm still super early in it, but there's a Crystal romhack I found called Crystal Clear that's supposedly completely open world between Kanto and Johto.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Which is hilarious because can just jump onto the path to Victory road from the Johto starting point.
Throw balls at the level 37 pokemon until one sticks and use that as your ringer.

Saladin Rising
Nov 12, 2016

When there is no real hope we must
mint our own. If the coin be
counterfeit it may still be passed.

Kitfox88 posted:

Romhacks are fine by me too, I just wanna play some pokemon style stuff. I'll take a gander at those three you mentioned too, thanks yall. :toot:
I've throw out a mention of Fire Red Omega and/or Emerald Omega. They're ROMhacks that are basically slightly modified versions of Fire Red and Emerald that let you catch all 386 Pokemon in-game, along with tweaking some Pokemon's base stats and level-up movesets. Fire Red Omega gives you Smoochum/Elekid/Magby with higher stats are your starters, Ampharos gets Fire Punch and Tail Glow by level up, stuff like that.

There's also some extremely minor plot tweaks (mostly adding in cameos of the people who made the ROMhack as trainers), and Altering Cave in Fire Red Omega has a trainer with 6 Blissey that acts exactly like the Audino trainer in Insurgence; Altering Cave also acts like a warp hub to Naval Rock, Birth Island, and a few new areas with other legendary Pokemon like Mew and Celebi.

Balache404
Aug 2, 2018



If we're talking fangames, I'm a big fan of Pokemon Infinite Fusion. The title pretty much says it all: it's Kanto (with some story changes) while allowing you to fuse two Pokemon together into adorable monstrosities. Combined movesets, weird type combinations, and your face evolving before your body. There's some tweaks to availability, such as Tangela on Route 1, and the current beta has all Gen 2 mons along with cross-gen evolutions. It's strange, it's a little slow, but it's something different if that's what you're looking for.

Son Conan
Sep 25, 2007

Pokemon Red++ is pretty neat; it's the original Pokemon Red/Blue, but with fixed bugs and updated features from the later generations (Fairy type, updated evolutions, physical/special/status split, etc).

mastersord
Feb 15, 2001

Gold Card Putty Fan Club
Member Since 2017!
Soiled Meat
I would also recommend the Universal Pokemon Randomizer if you just want a different base game experience. It only works up to Gen V, but it can make some interesting games.

serefin99
Apr 15, 2016

Mikoooon~
Your lovely shrine maiden fox wife, Tamamo no Mae, is here to help!

McTimmy posted:

Oooooh, that's pretty dang clever.

I'm slow, what's the joke?

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


serefin99 posted:

I'm slow, what's the joke?

Not really a joke, just that the "detailed statues" are previous victims of the cockapidgey.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I'm enjoying Glazed so far, although the edgy pikachu who hates me for some reason is setting off minor warning bells. I wasn't aware there were so many decent romhacks out there, honestly. Fire Red/Emerald Omega seem like passes for me though, I'm not looking for really rough challenges so much as I am just some fun with a pokemon game I didn't sink dozens of hours into as a teen.

Onmi posted:

The longer you play Glazed, the worse it gets, until you run into Jive Talking Zapdos.

what is it with these pokemon fan things and being able to converse with pokemon :suicide:

Kitfox88 fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Nov 6, 2018

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Kitfox88 posted:

I'm enjoying Glazed so far, although the edgy pikachu who hates me for some reason is setting off minor warning bells. I wasn't aware there were so many decent romhacks out there, honestly. Fire Red/Emerald Omega seem like passes for me though, I'm not looking for really rough challenges so much as I am just some fun with a pokemon game I didn't sink dozens of hours into as a teen.

The longer you play Glazed, the worse it gets, until you run into Jive Talking Zapdos.

Also play Gaia, it just got an update taking it to the end of the E4. It's very good.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Glazed lost me after having to ram my face into a gauntlet of trainers repeatedly just to level up enough to take on the 2nd gym.
Maybe the first gym. I don't remember.

Gaia is good though. Really hard to differentiate from a mainline pokemon game.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I'm giving it a go and it's good so far, and stuff through the E4 is more than enough for me. It's also had moments that got genuine laughs out of me, like the kid bailing on Redwood's free pokemon when he said he wants us to assist him with fieldwork. :laffo:

azren posted:

You know Gaia's good, cuz you can start with a penguin. Yes, I know Reborn lets you do that too, but...

i don't actually like any of the d/p/p starters :can:

Kitfox88 fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Nov 6, 2018

azren
Feb 14, 2011


You know Gaia's good, cuz you can start with a penguin. Yes, I know Reborn lets you do that too, but...

mycelia
Apr 28, 2013

POWERFUL FUNGAL LORD



I enjoyed one called Altered Emerald! It's an Emerald romhack with a wider availability of Pokemon, updated/improved movesets and abilities, type changes, changes to gym leaders, new areas/content etc etc. It occasionally pulls some Reborn-style bullshit (Tate and Liza are painful) but overall I found it really fun. Supposedly there's a patch coming for it at the end of this year that'll add a lot of new content (Megas! even more post-game stuff!) though, so maybe wait until then.

Ace of Aces
Feb 25, 2017

ZENRYOKU ZENKAI
Phoenix Rising has some pretty rude stuff that you need to prep for and it also runs like hot garbage if your PC is underpar thanks to its graphical design, but the first hour or so is reasonable, which is more than you can say for most Pokemon games.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

It's pretty depressing that basically every example we've given are "it's good but..."

I think Ethereal Gates and Gaia are the only ones that I haven't heard active complaints about just since opening that :can:.

Raitzeno
Nov 24, 2007

What? It seemed like
a good idea at the time.

For what it's worth I tried Gaia a few weeks ago and could barely even run it. The computer it's on shouldn't have ANY trouble emulating GBA hacks, but it was chuggin' FIERCE. Like upwards of two seconds for the screen transition to go up/down the stairs in the house you start in.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I wasn't having any major issues. Maybe it's cause I have the option checked to load the entire thing into RAM on start instead of streaming it from the HD? :iiam: Honestly my biggest problem is that there's just Too Many Pokemon, it's tough even to make a team of 6 let alone one slot for the HM wiener.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Kitfox88 posted:

I wasn't having any major issues. Maybe it's cause I have the option checked to load the entire thing into RAM on start instead of streaming it from the HD? :iiam: Honestly my biggest problem is that there's just Too Many Pokemon, it's tough even to make a team of 6 let alone one slot for the HM wiener.

While choice paralysis is absolutely a thing, if there's one thing you should never complain about in a Pokemon game, it's variety.

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.
I think we can all agree that the developers of the other fangames had both good and bad ideas. But none of them had ideas this terrible. Here's a little preview of the next update...



I hate sliding block puzzles anyway, but I despise this one especially.

Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary
My "lovely Puzzle Sense" is tingling.

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

I don’t normally mind sliding-tile puzzles (much, under certain circumstances, like the bonus minigame in the GBA remake of FF1&2), but the example there looks pretty garbage

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Are the pieces at least in their proper orientation, or do you have to spin some? The border looks pretty clear.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
I could be seeing things and/or misremembering, but that looks like the first puzzle from GSC's Ruins of Alph to me. I know it wasn't a sliding tile puzzle there, and maybe there's something about the way it plays out, but it doesn't seem that bad. :shrug:

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Blaze Dragon posted:

While choice paralysis is absolutely a thing, if there's one thing you should never complain about in a Pokemon game, it's variety.

Too many of the little bastards are my faves. :argh:

Also that puzzle wouldn't be nearly as bad if it had something other than a massive two color palette for itself to help distinguish poo poo.

azren
Feb 14, 2011


Kitfox88 posted:

i don't actually like any of the d/p/p starters :can:

S'okay, I'm apparently in the minority for disliking Incineroar.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

azren posted:

S'okay, I'm apparently in the minority for disliking Incineroar.

It's either a louder than normal minority or it's about a 50/50 split. Incineroar got a lot less hate than Infernape and Emboar did, that's for sure, but it still has its detractors.

It's just that Sun/Moon has grass-type as the best starter for first time since gen 1 (:can:) so Wrestlecat and Singing Seal kind of fall behind.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I really like all of the S/M trio, but cute seal wins every time. Or it would if I had a 3DS to play on. :colbert:

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

I adore all three of the S/M starters. It's really hard for me to pick, I've gone with Rowlet one time and Popplio another and if I had a third game it'd probably be Litten.

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




The sliding puzzles are a huge pain, mostly because most of the middle tiles and a couple of the edges are just blotchy messes. By the end of the game I got pretty good at remembering what the right way to do these was but it's still never any fun.

Ace of Aces
Feb 25, 2017

ZENRYOKU ZENKAI

KataraniSword posted:

It's either a louder than normal minority or it's about a 50/50 split. Incineroar got a lot less hate than Infernape and Emboar did, that's for sure, but it still has its detractors.

It's just that Sun/Moon has grass-type as the best starter for first time since gen 1 (:can:) so Wrestlecat and Singing Seal kind of fall behind.

Being Yet Another Physical Fire Starter was really frustrating, but Incineroar's design and everything are hilarious so it won me over.

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
I was able to name my Decidueye "OwliverQueen" so yeah, gen 7 grass starter best starter.

GirlCalledBob
Jul 17, 2013

ApeHawk posted:

I was able to name my Decidueye "OwliverQueen" so yeah, gen 7 grass starter best starter.

I know someone who went with 'Robin Hoot' and yours might be the first one to top that.

Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary

ApeHawk posted:

I was able to name my Decidueye "OwliverQueen" so yeah, gen 7 grass starter best starter.

I saw that name as someone's suggestion the day the starters' final forms were revealed.

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.




Hello everyone and welcome back! Today we've got it all! There's two new towns, new pokemon to meet, a rival battle, and actual plot developments too!

Just over 18 and a half hours so far. By the end of the update, we'll be past 20. It's kind of a lengthy update.



First off, let's meet the route 5 trainers.





Been there, done that.





Huh... it's not often you see an electric type beating up on a ground type.





Too bad so sad cry more.



We'll be able to buy these before too long. If I'm not mistaken, the third gym badge is locking away the really cool poo poo like this. We'll never be able to buy ethers, however. Which I find bullshit. For some reason the developers are really against you being able to refill your PP on the go. Even PP-restoring berries are basically nonexistant.





:stare:





According to Bulbapedia, Poison Tail has a 10% chance to poison the opponent. I've used it many many times since picking up Rollgirl and not once has it ever inflicted poison. I know anecdotal evidence doesn't hard data make, but it still irks me.

Mostly I want to use Venoshock's "deals double damage if the target is poisoned" effect. Sure, Rollgirl is closing in on learning Toxic, but I want to use it now dammit! For what it's worth, Rollgirl learning Toxic means she'll stay on the team for a long goddamned time. (The TM isn't found until the absolute end of the game. Like in the final plot area just before Victory Road.)



:mad:



At least he's self aware about it?



Hold on I think I have that around here somewhere...





By popular demand, Dracolich is being benched in favor of the cockapidgey. So this is his last appearance until it's time to give him a mega stone.





All the trainers here on Route 5 are weird. I'm outta here.





It's not very big, but it can look confusing in the screenshots. Anyway, Koril Town is a pretty nice place, but we never have cause to come here ever again after this. You remember that desert I pointed out in the opening cinematic?



Koril Town is that little collection of buildings in the upper right of the screenshot. I don't even know why, but I just like the ecotone where grasslands meet desert sands.







The upper reaches of Samsara Cave keeps going and going. It's a gigantic maze with an obnoxiously high encounter rate. If I'm not mistaken, between the entrance and the end of the puzzle, there are something like 7 or 8 screen transitions.



exactly like them.

That's just a cockatrice. It's mine now, so Samsara Cave is safe once again.



Torren!

Neat!



:stonk: I need an adult!

Hoenn, all those years ago.



Yeah can I talk to you about that?







I like a lot of the dialogue in this town, just because of how absolutely insane it is.





Oh you work at Wright & Co? Cool.





The only thing I really remember strongly about my trip through Gen 5 in BW2 was desperately searching for one of these in order to evolve my Lampent. I'm not sure I ever did find one.







We might be putting this to use sooner rather than later. You'll see at the end of this update.





idgi is it because Castform has breasts?







Uh... thanks? I guess? I'll just... give this to Chompy Boy?



We'll be back here later in the update. This is the site of a small sidequest.



Handy, I suppose.





This is doubly funny because he's using the Rich Boy trainer model.

headed for the desert.



Hoo boy. Is it that time already? If you recall, we've met four of the five cults. Well, this hat-wearing lady is talking about the fifth cult... the Sky Cult.





:smith:







I can count on one hand the total number of times I saw New Moon in my first playthrough. I'm actually half tempted to say "on one finger" because I'm about 75% sure that it only ever came up in the Champion battle. It may have also come up during one of the gym fights, but I'm lucky if I remember that fairies beat dark. Thanks to that stupid Kamen Rider reference in the type chart, I'll forever remember bug beating dark.

I don't even watch Kamen Rider. Or any other Sentai shows. :shrug:

Please don't try to get me to watch KR. I'm not interested.



Welp.





This will make the Audino grinding even less painful than it was. A free 1.5x on every pokemon in our party, and 2.25x on traded pokemon? Sign me the gently caress up!







:allears: See what I mean about the NPCs in this town being completely nuts?





I don't know exactly how much we have at the moment. It's very likely somewhere north of $75,000. Each training session with those level 40 Audino, by the way, takes $720. That poo poo adds up fast! So some bonus cash is well appreciated.



I'm pretty sure that's all the houses worth visiting. Koril Town is just one of those towns that serves to break up the endless parade of routes. It's a much appreciated checkpoint!



For all I have in the past and will in the future complain about this game, the quality of life stuff is legitimately amazing.



gently caress. This is one of those things I haven't been looking forward to.



I forgot to mention this cave in my wrapup last time. So just real quick...

Koril Cave

Hitmonlee
Hitmonchan
Hitmontop

Koril Cave (Surf)

Gastrodon (West Sea)
Skrelp

Koril Cave (Fishing)

Lanturn (All Rods)
Qwilfish (All Rods)
Kabutops (Good and Super Rod)

Koril Cave (Requires Rock Climb)

Terrakion (Level 95)



So, throughout this entire LP I've been talking about Relic Song and the game-spanning quest to obtain it. This, finally, is the first step. Just talk to the musical note stalagmite.



It's a 15-tile sliding puzzle. Unfortunately we have no idea what the image is supposed to be. The only clue we get is the loving musical note. So, allow me to bring in some outside help...

From the Pokemon Insurgence Forums

I linked to it because it's their domain and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't appreciate me embedding it. If you step back about 5 feet and relax your eyes, it turns into the world's least clear picture of Meloetta.



I am loving terrible at sliding tile puzzles. I never learned how to do them properly. Intellectually I know. You work line by line from the top down. But when it's a bunch of context-less two-color images...

Well, I spent about 20 minutes tabbing back and forth between the game, that image, and this website very tediously translating the individual tiles to numbers and then putting them into the proper slot on the site.

Then I had to redo it eight times because the site tripped me up repeatedly. It turns out that after you put in numbers 1-13, the site then switches to asking you where the hole is. This isn't communicated... anywhere. Also the site doesn't register clicks every time, so it's very easy to move faster than the little applet.

The good news is that if you hit the SOLVE button on the site, it takes you through step by step. And as long as you translated the tiles to numbers correctly, you'll get to the end eventually.





One down... seven to go. :smithicide:

They're all the same picture of Meloetta, just scrambled up differently.



Pictured: a relic song wall half out of frame. This one is holding Steelixite. So no Mega Steelix for us until the late postgame.



Say goodbye to Dracolich for now. He'll come back out soon enough.



Out comes Cockatrice! I forgot to get a picture of his level 12 stats. So there's no before image. Sorry Kyrosiris. I like the name YASD, but it's kinda awkward to type! Also gently caress you for getting me back into Nethack after I'd been clean for 3 years







Medusa Ray may be Delta Pidgeot's signature move, but it's an 80 accuracy status move that doesn't even give it a leg up. Delta Pidgey's line is amazing in terms of being a fully-realized idea, but it's mediocre in every other sense. It's pretty drat cool at least!





With a little math, we can figure out that Cockatrice's stats used to be..

31 HP
16 ATK
14 DEF
14 SpATK
16 SpDEF
21 SPD



Pretty nice gains!



He had Twister, but that's kind of a bad move to have at level 40. So I replaced it with a Flying-type coverage move instead.





Fancy and Chompy Boy are in a neck-and-neck race for who has the higher attack stat. I'll pick up a Wide Lens in Helios City and she'll become complete her transformation into "a ground type that flying types actually fear." Remember, the Helios Gym is sky themed!





Our shark head is extremely powerful, and I'm extremely interested to see how high that attack climbs by the endgame.





Rollgirl learned Steamroller and now her name is once again fitting.





HenryDavid continues to impress me. I never gave Throh a second thought before, but he's much better than I thought he would be! In fact, he's quite good. He's sturdy, and his stat boosting move makes him even better. This is one of those pokemon I'm quite happy to have been wrong about.





Thundervolt is here too. She'll be evolving soon, so that's something to look forward to!





It's right behind me. It's that terrifying lizard bird that's currently turning the trees and grass to stone.



This is definitely a pokemon lab. It's got those vending machines lining the front like all the others.





Reukra, if you don't remember, is the leader of Perfection. He's the nice fellow who gave us Dracolich way back in the second update.









Nobody who talks about how rare Deltas are, and how cool it would be to see one, are willing to acknowledge the Delta following behind me. Though to be fair I don't think it would be a great idea to look at Cockatrice anyway.





She doesn't want to tell us what they're all about, but wants us to join. Sounds legit!









I cut out about 3/4 of her text boxes. She kept discussing the mission talking about how they can't help themselves because they're not trainers and how much trouble this pokemon was causing and :rolleyes:



Saving here was a mistake. Y'see, I made a realization...



This Archen is level 5. All my pokemon are between 40 and 44. They could cough in this thing's general vicinity and knock it the gently caress out.



This is as close as I can get. There's a slight problem, however...

Archen has a 45 catch rate like, it seems, every loving thing else I want to catch. Across three resets, I threw 27 Ultra Balls at it. It broke out of all of them.



On the fourth reset I was in a bad mood. So a level 40 abomination against nature rampaged through a warehouse knocking out a bunch of baby level 5 fossil pokemon.



Not pictured: the Archen and two Lileep I already KOed. Also another Archen somewhere else.



The Kabutops is the ringleader here.





This thing has 1 HP, is paralyzed, and it still breaks out of a bunch of Ultra Balls. Great. Cool. Wonderful.



Like many other things, this is somewhat remedied when we reach Helios City. I swear, exploring that town is going to take multiple updates just because of how much poo poo is in it.







Works for me!



Show of hands... who is going to remember her when she finally calls us in the postgame? That little excursion was actually the first part of a sidequest that doesn't continue until then. What a pity.



That's enough of Koril town. There's one more thing we can do here in the not-too-distant future, and then we have nothing else to do here ever again. I'm probably never going to come back for the Steelixite or Torrakion.





Read: every battle takes 3x as long because you have to sit through a bunch of messages about the sandstorm.



The desert's a big open area with a bunch of trainers. So please don't mind me while I give you the highlights...

desert!



Hiker Henry is another of those guys who can go gently caress themselves.



He only has two pokemon and you don't get bonus points for guessing the other one.



I don't feel the least bit bad for using STAB supereffective Crunch to mess his day up. That loving Lunatone would have one shot Fancy were it not for her Sturdy! Ground isn't even weak to psychic!





We meet again Dr. Jones! Not really, but I always wanted to say that.





I don't catch him, but I wanted to point him out to ask a question. Are Hippowdon good? I've always wanted to use one, but never had the opportunity early enough in the game. Fancy is gonna be sticking with us for most of the game so no-go in this run sorry to say!









You're the one who ran half across the screen to demand a battle. The least you can do is fork over half your cash so I can pay off my debts to the Level Trainer mob.







I don't think a 10 year old girl is allowed to be a hiker. They just can't grow a big enough beard to qualify. Instead they get handed a picnicker uniform.









There's a reason I spent the time to get everyone in the team up to their 40s. This cave is it. I'm pointedly ignoring all the trainers in here and beelining for the exit.





Y'see, we've caught up to the plot. It's very nearly done running from us.











have a problem with letting me borrow it!



This idiot is trying too hard. He was actually being menacing until he felt the need to overclarify his statement.



You can't just take what's not yours!







Jesus Christ.

that cavern.







That sound you hear is me grinding my teeth.

















should.











JESUS CHRIST.



remain so.



loving hell. So uh... I think that qualifies for the plot becoming edgy again. That was only a taste of what's to come. It's going to go into overdrive to make up for lost time once we get to Helios City.



I never heard of Pokemon Insurgence until its development was finished. But even I can tell that this was obviously the end of one of the early chapters. Why?



RANDOM RIVAL BATTLE OUT OF NOWHERE!









losing again!



I feel bad for Damian here...





Water/Dark vs pure Fighting. HenryDavid used Storm Throw until the Crawdaunt stopped moving.





Steel/Psychic vs Dark/Dragon. Cockatrice introduced Metang to Crunch. There's so little to say about this battle. Just entirely by accident, my team has evolved to cover 100% of what he's fielding. I seriously didn't do it intentionally.



That's Delta Blastoise all grown up. Remind me when I'm not 194 images deep into an update to cover all the Delta Starters sometime. This footage still has another 20,000 frames to go, and I've still got 3 Deltas to cover before we're done. I'll probably cover them when we get the mega stone.



Storm Throw don't gently caress around. Also... Dark/Fighting vs pure Fighting.





Electric vs Ground. A super high attack Bulldoze put the hurt on this Luxray.





Rollgirl is basically Shaymin's worst nightmare. Grass doesn't like either Poison or Bug. Even being Leech Seeded didn't stop her from Steamroller rolling over this poor grassy hedgehog.



Because I'm the protagonist and I understand the type chart have a well-rounded team.





Damian acts like a kid at least.





way to do it.







The reason before that I mentioned that this was obviously the end of a chapter was because of that bit there. That's one hell of a cliffhanger to end on until the next chapter is finished.



We're not done, though. There's more trainers here, but I'm skipping all of them in order to get on with things.





Roggan Town is famous for two reasons: the Game Corner and the Battle Frontier are both found here. The Battle Place is blocked off until the postgame because of Rock Climb.



The game corner, however, is right here. I'll cover that in a bit. First, let's explore...









I will never interact with this area in a meaningful fashion. I don't find competitive battling remotely fun. I actually dread to think about just how hosed up these battles must be.



This is a regular Larvesta. Even in this game with its hosed up level curve, it evolves far too late to be of any use to me.

Evolution on their team.

Many of these mega evolutions are unique to Insurgence! In fact, most plot critical battles will feature mega evolution.





Sometimes the writing in this game is legitimately pretty great.









In about 50 hours, after we have the 7th badge, he will call us about a Delta Pokemon he wants us to take.









Meet, uh, Delta Emolga? It's Dark/Fire type. Juding by its base stats, it's pretty loving terrible for how late you get it. 428BST with a 75 base SpAtk is not great! It learns a lot more fire type than dark type moves, but I'm just not convinced it's worth using.

Its two abilities are Flash Fire (+50% fire power when hit by fire moves) and Blaze Boost (Hidden; When the user uses a Fire-type attack its Attack, Special Attack, and Speed are increased by 1 stage) I... what? Holy poo poo. I... wow. That actually... huh. It's hidden, so that means it's postgame only. But that's kinda loving broken. Neat!

I'm never going to pick it up because I will never remember to come back. I didn't even realize it existed until just now when I was looking at the wiki page. So there's still three more Deltas to cover in this update!

What gets me is that the wiki doesn't show it has a mega evolution. However the graphics are right there in the data. :psyduck:



This game corner, because Insurgence is a Mature Game, has slot machines and Voltorb Flip. And Triple Triad.





Pokemon Insurgence Wiki posted:

Diancite - Show any Legendary Pokémon to the Hiker in the house to the right of the Pokémon Center

Cool?

Super Effective!







Holy poo poo!







Sweet.





Finally, let's look at the Game Corner!









I think I must be the only person on the earth to be, at best, apathetic about Triple Triad. I don't care enough to play it whenever I subscribe to FFXIV, so I certainly won't be playing it here in Insurgence.





This lady offers us a TT deck. I take the grass one because my first pokemon ever was Bulbasaur. :colbert:



The lotto is the same as it ever is. In Insurgence, you get prizes for matching differing amounts of numbers.

1 - Ultra Ball
2 - PP Up
3 - Exp Share
4 - Max Revive
5 - Master Ball





Welp.





We'll come back to this in a minute. I'll cover these three Deltas as the last thing in the update before the Looking Ahead section.





TM10 - Hidden Power
TM16 - Light Screen
TM33 - Reflect
TM108 - Ally Switch (I've literally never heard of this move. Bulbapedia makes it sound, at best, like a gimmick.)
TM117 - Dragonify (Insurgence-added move. Turns the foe into Dragon Type)



Insurgence mercifully lets you buy coins. So for $200,000 you can buy that Delta Wooper you were eyeing.





These machines seem to pay out fairly often, but it is only paltry amounts. A whole 4 coins when I spent 3!



Gonna be honest, my first thought was mahjong and I'd be down for that. But no, this is just a static item in the world.



Gonna be honest, again. If I wanted to play Picross, I'd play loving Picross. If I wanted to play Minesweeper, I'd play that. I know a lot of people enjoy the two combined, but I hate how much guessing gets involved here. What I love about Picross is that it's all about logic and thinking the puzzle through. This... this isn't. There's just enough randomization involved that you can't solve it 100% of the time and invariably wind up guessing.



Guess today's the unpopular opinions day from me. So let's go back to that list of pokemon...



Let's start with the most expensive one.









Delta Wooper is Grass/Fire type. However, it still has Wooper and Quagsire's very physical-focused stats. To put it bluntly, it's pretty loving terrible. At the best of times, Quagsire is mediocre mid-game fodder. It doesn't excel in anything and is slower than molasses.



They have the same moveset, just Quagsire learns everything a few levels later. The only Fire-type STAB it gets is Ember. By default.

As far as abilities go, it has Pickpocket (Steals an item from an attacker that made direct contact), Flash Fire, and Harvest (Hidden; May create another Berry after one is used). You'll excuse me if I don't trip over myself to use this piece of poo poo.

However, I AM going to buy it. And then he or she will be the second inhabitant of the SHAME BOX. Let's move on, however to something much brighter.













This little cutie is Delta Litwick. It's Fairy/Fire type! Lampent evolves to Chandelure with a Shiny Stone, for whatever that's worth. Unlike Wooper, Litwick's line puts its new typing to great use. Chandelure is a special powerhouse anyway, and between Fire and Fairy both, it will kick everything's rear end.

In terms of abilities, Litwick's line has Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Physical attacks lower Defense and raise Speed), and Fairy Aura (Hidden; Powers up each active Pok�mon's Fairy-type moves)

Finally...









Delta Misdreavus, with its the Holiday-themed look, is Ice/Fairy type. The one weird thing about its move set is that it doesn't learn Ice Beam outside of TMs, and that one in particular doesn't show up until Victory Road. It's another special powerhouse and it's been custom built to make dragon-types poo poo themselves in abject terror. Like Lampent before it, Misdreavus needs a Shiny Stone to evolve.

Misdreavus' and Mismagius' abilities are... Magic Guard (The Pokemon only takes damage from attacks) and Winter Joy (Hidden; Strengthened in winter and weakened in summer. 40% increase in Atk and SpAtk from Nov-Feb. 30% decrease between May-Aug.)

And that finally... FINALLY brings me to the end of this update.

Looking ahead...

Route 6

Farfetch'd
Plusle (10%)
Minun (10%)
Pachirisu (10%)
Emolga (10%)
Gogoat

Route 6 (Surf)

Dewgong
Lapras
Swanna (10%)

Route 6 (Fishing)

Seaking (Good Rod)

Route 7

Skitty
Chimecho
Chatot
Stoutland
Phantump
Pumpkaboo

Route 7 (Surf)

Dewgong

Helios City

Wynaut Egg ($2500)
Bonsly (Gift)
Smeargle (Trade Stunky)
Barboach (Trade Gyarados)
Delta Lotad (Trade a Dragon Type)

Helios Sewers

Grimer
Koffing (14%)
Gulpin (14%)
Stunky (10%)
Yamask (2%)
Trubbish
Foongus (10%)
Delta Heatmor (After 7th Gym)

Jesus. That was the longest update yet. Should've just cut this in half

NEXT TIME: Onward to the Capital!

DoubleNegative fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Nov 8, 2018

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
So if you put some santa hats on your spooky ghost it becomes ice/fairy :thunk:

Also I somehow had it in my head that Perfection's leader was the twerp we met who was loving with Orion and his stone, not the flasher in the lab.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



DoubleNegative posted:

Sorry Kyrosiris. I like the name YASD, but it's kinda awkward to type! Also gently caress you for getting me back into Nethack after I'd been clean for 3 years

That's fine, it was a silly suggestion anyways. Just make sure it's not hissing at you. :)

Also oh my god every one of those deltas is cute as hell also gently caress YOU Quagsire is cool and good and my friend.

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Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




I love the fancy chandelier. I didn't use it, since I think I was using a Charizard and Gardevoir anyways, but it's really good.

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