SUK ZONE: it's all a pointless exercise and you're just screaming into the void

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Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

zegermans posted:

For reals you can't even use the "well it was a different time" because in spite of how god awful everything and everyone in the 80s were, including my parents for giving birth to me, I feel like "we stopped this program because they were literal house slaves" wouldn't have been all that politically risky to say.

they were trying to save their political capital for their presidential election bids!!

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:23

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# ? Jun 25, 2024 21:34

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

What's there to "justify?"

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:28

deadgoon: Dec 4, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

Al! posted:

that sounds like a labyrinthine way of justifying that they wanted to hire a famous white person because they thought it would make them more money

yes it's true, the corporations are motivated by profit

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:32

walgreenslatino: Jun 2, 2015; Lipstick Apathy

Condiv posted:

the thing that burns me about this argument is the "voluntarily". it's loving libertarian levels of voluntary, where we ignore everything that pushes a person towards the "voluntary" choice instead of any other choice (for example: prisons putting prisoners who don't work in solitary confinement)

it speaks volumes about what they think civil rights should look like: "well, black people voluntarily choose not to come into my neighborhood! sure the cops shoot them whenever they try, but it was their option!!"

It's not even that level of "voluntary" because Arkansas explicitly required all able-bodied prisoners to perform unpaid labor. It wasn't even some unspoken thing. There's no grey area, even if you're the kind of gross liberal looking for grey areas

I think now they "just" make you do unpaid work or you don't get "good behavior" time, I can't really find a straight answer and I doubt the department of corrections is looking to advertise it

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:37

SHY NUDIST GRRL: Feb 15, 2011; Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

This is well timed to send Hillary back to the political wilderness of power jogs in wherever the hell that was.
Thank god

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:42

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

quoting this for posterity to come back to it in 2019

lol

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:43

ex post facho: Oct 25, 2007

Hillary always gets the blame. That's what I mean. I've seen people blame Hillary for Walmart's hiring practices because she was on the board for a few years (as if briefly being a board member would give her the power to completely change a corporation's entire worldview).

I'm not defending using prison labor in government buildings (something that still happens today in the south). It's disgusting and should be outlawed. I'm saying that people in the late '70's and the '80's (when she was first Lady of Arkansas) and in the '90's (when she wrote the book) were not as "woke" as we are today. I can't stand it when people demand that people in the past have modern PC attitudes that were not common then. Even five to ten years ago cultural biases, implicit biases, and the differences in how white people and black people are treated in the same situations were not really discussed - at least not in the way it is discussed now. Were you asked to think about privilege as a kid/teenager? I sure wasn't. Times are changing (and that's good), but asking Hillary to have 2017 attitudes in 1979 is bullshit.

This is paraphrased from the thread attached below: No politician has their strengths diminished and their weaknesses magnified to the degree that she does. It drives me up the goddamn wall.

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/870591792797843457

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:48

HiHo ChiRho: Oct 23, 2010

ex post facho posted:

Hillary always gets the blame. That's what I mean. I've seen people blame Hillary for Walmart's hiring practices because she was on the board for a few years (as if briefly being a board member would give her the power to completely change a corporation's entire worldview).

I'm not defending using prison labor in government buildings (something that still happens today in the south). It's disgusting and should be outlawed. I'm saying that people in the late '70's and the '80's (when she was first Lady of Arkansas) and in the '90's (when she wrote the book) were not as "woke" as we are today. I can't stand it when people demand that people in the past have modern PC attitudes that were not common then. Even five to ten years ago cultural biases, implicit biases, and the differences in how white people and black people are treated in the same situations were not really discussed - at least not in the way it is discussed now. Were you asked to think about privilege as a kid/teenager? I sure wasn't. Times are changing (and that's good), but asking Hillary to have 2017 attitudes in 1979 is bullshit.

This is paraphrased from the thread attached below: No politician has their strengths diminished and their weaknesses magnified to the degree that she does. It drives me up the goddamn wall.

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/870591792797843457

59 tweet long threads drive me up the goddamn wall. just make a loving blog at that point and tweet the link.

also did you want a mcflurry with that?

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:55

FuriousxGeorge: Aug 8, 2007; We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

ex post facho posted:

Hillary always gets the blame. That's what I mean. I've seen people blame Hillary for Walmart's hiring practices because she was on the board for a few years (as if briefly being a board member would give her the power to completely change a corporation's entire worldview).

I'm not defending using prison labor in government buildings (something that still happens today in the south). It's disgusting and should be outlawed. I'm saying that people in the late '70's and the '80's (when she was first Lady of Arkansas) and in the '90's (when she wrote the book) were not as "woke" as we are today. I can't stand it when people demand that people in the past have modern PC attitudes that were not common then. Even five to ten years ago cultural biases, implicit biases, and the differences in how white people and black people are treated in the same situations were not really discussed - at least not in the way it is discussed now. Were you asked to think about privilege as a kid/teenager? I sure wasn't. Times are changing (and that's good), but asking Hillary to have 2017 attitudes in 1979 is bullshit.

This is paraphrased from the thread attached below: No politician has their strengths diminished and their weaknesses magnified to the degree that she does. It drives me up the goddamn wall.

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/870591792797843457

It's just that I was alive in the 90s and even as a dumb teenage libertarian I was outraged about this kind of crap. Having been arrested yourself can give you some empathy for people in far deeper trouble with the criminal justice system. You don't need the woke dictionary terms to understand this. It's just a system that is totally hosed to hell and back even beyond the racism and private prisons and Democrats have had a hand in all of it.

FuriousxGeorge has issued a correction as of 20:58 on Jun 7, 2017

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:55

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Hollande killed the French socialist party, and now France is probably more anti-alt/right than Germany, MoDems sweeping into power.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:56

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

HiHo ChiRho posted:

59 tweet long threads drive me up the goddamn wall. just make a loving blog at that point and tweet the link.

also did you want a mcflurry with that?

hillary, regretfully: bill and I use to have a boy that would get us mcflurries, course we had to send him back to prison if he kept the change

# ? Jun 7, 2017 20:57

deadgoon: Dec 4, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

"slavery is wrong" -- a controversial opinion to hold in 1979 or 1999

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:00

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

ex post facho posted:

Hillary always gets the blame. That's what I mean. I've seen people blame Hillary for Walmart's hiring practices because she was on the board for a few years (as if briefly being a board member would give her the power to completely change a corporation's entire worldview).

I'm not defending using prison labor in government buildings (something that still happens today in the south). It's disgusting and should be outlawed. I'm saying that people in the late '70's and the '80's (when she was first Lady of Arkansas) and in the '90's (when she wrote the book) were not as "woke" as we are today. I can't stand it when people demand that people in the past have modern PC attitudes that were not common then. Even five to ten years ago cultural biases, implicit biases, and the differences in how white people and black people are treated in the same situations were not really discussed - at least not in the way it is discussed now. Were you asked to think about privilege as a kid/teenager? I sure wasn't. Times are changing (and that's good), but asking Hillary to have 2017 attitudes in 1979 is bullshit.

This is paraphrased from the thread attached below: No politician has their strengths diminished and their weaknesses magnified to the degree that she does. It drives me up the goddamn wall.

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/870591792797843457

i'm sorry for judging unenlightened hillary by her actions. if only someone had told the people of the 70s, 80s, and 90s that slavery was wrong!!

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:01

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

ex post facho posted:

Hillary always gets the blame. That's what I mean. I've seen people blame Hillary for Walmart's hiring practices because she was on the board for a few years (as if briefly being a board member would give her the power to completely change a corporation's entire worldview).

I'm not defending using prison labor in government buildings (something that still happens today in the south). It's disgusting and should be outlawed. I'm saying that people in the late '70's and the '80's (when she was first Lady of Arkansas) and in the '90's (when she wrote the book) were not as "woke" as we are today. I can't stand it when people demand that people in the past have modern PC attitudes that were not common then. Even five to ten years ago cultural biases, implicit biases, and the differences in how white people and black people are treated in the same situations were not really discussed - at least not in the way it is discussed now. Were you asked to think about privilege as a kid/teenager? I sure wasn't. Times are changing (and that's good), but asking Hillary to have 2017 attitudes in 1979 is bullshit.

This is paraphrased from the thread attached below: No politician has their strengths diminished and their weaknesses magnified to the degree that she does. It drives me up the goddamn wall.

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/870591792797843457

slavery

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:03

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

"Hillary was trying to work with a broken system that she fully exploited to her benefit so that she could come out on top and make it better for all involved if only you gave her a chance. A more efficient oppressive system if you just gave her a chance argh."

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:03

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

Hillary owned slaves lol

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:04

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Lastgirl posted:

"Hillary was trying to work with a broken system that she fully exploited to her benefit so that she could come out on top and make it better for all involved if only you gave her a chance. A more efficient oppressive system if you just gave her a chance argh."

i'm sure she'd get around to fixing it this time if you'd just give her that vote maddie

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:04

FuriousxGeorge: Aug 8, 2007; We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Agean90 posted:

Hillary owned slaves lol

Bernie wouldn't have one.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:06

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

really guys, have you considered that you might not be being entirely fair to the poor white woman who has pocket dictators? it's not an easy life being so important that entire governments change the way they function in deference to your opinions...

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:06

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

ex post facho posted:

Hillary always gets the blame. That's what I mean. I've seen people blame Hillary for Walmart's hiring practices because she was on the board for a few years (as if briefly being a board member would give her the power to completely change a corporation's entire worldview).

I'm not defending using prison labor in government buildings (something that still happens today in the south). It's disgusting and should be outlawed. I'm saying that people in the late '70's and the '80's (when she was first Lady of Arkansas) and in the '90's (when she wrote the book) were not as "woke" as we are today. I can't stand it when people demand that people in the past have modern PC attitudes that were not common then. Even five to ten years ago cultural biases, implicit biases, and the differences in how white people and black people are treated in the same situations were not really discussed - at least not in the way it is discussed now. Were you asked to think about privilege as a kid/teenager? I sure wasn't. Times are changing (and that's good), but asking Hillary to have 2017 attitudes in 1979 is bullshit.

This is paraphrased from the thread attached below: No politician has their strengths diminished and their weaknesses magnified to the degree that she does. It drives me up the goddamn wall.

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/870591792797843457

yo dipshit i am from AR and even growing up in a conservative household in the 80s we all knew the prison system was racist as poo poo, and refused to go to distant rich relatives' reunions because they still had black house servants that weren't prisoners but obviously had no way out and were institutionally direct descendant of house slaves. and we were terrible racist fucks. social consciousness did not suddenly spring into being in 2010 when someone put a hashtag in front of woke

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:08

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

ex post facho posted:

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/870591792797843457

She also got 62 million more votes than the last president who owned slaves

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:08

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 3 days!)

ex post facho posted:

I can't stand it when people demand that people in the past have modern PC attitudes that were not common then.

Same but it's about the antebellum planter class.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:10

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

pictured: the president and first lady in saudi arabia trading tips on proper slave discipline:

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:10

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

Al! posted:

pictured: the president and first lady in saudi arabia trading tips on proper slave discipline:

yeah but she solved sexism by not covering up

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:15

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

now i want to travel back to 2014 and tell myself "in 2016 your choice for president will be between a rapist and a slaveholder, and no they're respectively not the members of the parties you think they are!"

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:18

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

watching all the twitter wokes verbatim echo my racist uncle's justifications for the prison labor system like "better at work than in a cell or on the street" "they just don't have good decision making intelligence" "it's for their own good and it saves taxpayer labor costs" "nothing will change so at least letting them work somewhere they can see respectable behavior and work ethic is the best option" is a loving trip yet at the same time completely unsurprising

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:29

The Nastier Nate: May 22, 2005; All aboard the corona bus!

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

now i want to travel back to 2014 and tell myself "in 2016 your choice for president will be between a rapist and a slaveholder, and no they're respectively not the members of the parties you think they are!"

Well actually, Hillary never owned slaves, they belonged to the state of Arkansas. You wouldn't say she owned the Governor's mansion. She was more of a...slave renter.

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:30

ex post facho: Oct 25, 2007

lol if you couldn't tell that was a cp'd fb post yall dang

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:30

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

Breakfast All Day posted:

watching all the twitter wokes verbatim echo my racist uncle's justifications for the prison labor system like "better at work than in a cell or on the street" "they just don't have good decision making intelligence" "it's for their own good and it saves taxpayer labor costs" "nothing will change so at least letting them work somewhere they can see respectable behavior and work ethic is the best option" is a loving trip yet at the same time completely unsurprising

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

magnitude-below-minimum wage migrant labor and chattel slavery are great ways of providing lucrative employment opportunities to People Of Color

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:30

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

The Nastier Nate posted:

Well actually, Hillary never owned slaves, they belonged to the state of Arkansas. You wouldn't say she owned the Governor's mansion. She was more of a...slave renter.

really she was elected by the people of arkansas to be a slave steward

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:31

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

ex post facho posted:

lol if you couldn't tell that was a cp'd fb post yall dang

tbf there are d&d posts that are pretty much that

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:31

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

well her husband was, she doesnt win many elections

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:31

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

observe:

JeffersonClay posted:

The stuff about low emotional intelligence as a predictor for criminality is completely accurate. Amateur phrenology

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4525433/

JeffersonClay posted:

Haha that nefarious racist Hillary KKKlinton agrees with those establishment researchers that deficits in emotional intelligence are correlated with violence. How can that idiot racist not recognize the deficits are cultural, not emotional?!? (But the cultural deficits aren't their fault! The white man just hasn't provided them the right environment to develop a non-criminal culture!)

You are making this way too easy.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:32

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

The Nastier Nate posted:

Well actually, Hillary never owned slaves, they belonged to the state of Arkansas. You wouldn't say she owned the Governor's mansion. She was more of a...slave renter.

a renter? according to libertarians it was she, then, that was the slave. checkmate leftists

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:33

Mister Fister: May 17, 2008; D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE

I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

Agean90 posted:

Hillary owned slaves lol

# ? Jun 7, 2017 21:33

ex post facho: Oct 25, 2007

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

tbf there are d&d posts that are pretty much that

fair enough

anyway my replies to that comment were pretty much what this thread posted so thanks for the validation yall

also they ended up bringing up bernie and all I had to say was "I never mentioned Bernie :grin: