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greatZebu posted:I am Shane Oman, Vanilla Town. I agree that killing capps is strictly better than killing no one (for town, anyway). I wouldn't consider killing anyone other than capps or fv because if we kill town and capps isn't lying, we just lose. mr.capps posted:uhh reasoning Oh, and another point in favor of Capps being Scum. We know the Scum roleblocker hit someone with no night action during N1, and Keane was targeted by Capps. If I'm right, we won't have a Scum RBer tonight which makes victory little more than a formality. Just under 5 hours left, let's lynch Capps.
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of course i want to be confident because i want to win? i am sorry you don't know how humans behave
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Sorry if I'm wrong Capps, but your lynch is the only thing that makes sense today. Lynching someone who might be Town risks losing the game today if you're telling the truth. No lynching is just a worse form of lynching you if you're telling the truth. Lynching you leaves us with the same lynching opportunities in the future with the possibility of additional info. If you you are lying, then we obviously should lynch you today.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:12
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mr.capps posted:of course i want to be confident because i want to win?
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Jul 19, 2014 21:13
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you are wrong and dumb vote fv jesus christ
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Jul 19, 2014 21:13
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Ardulac posted:Beep, beep, boop. The only logical course of action is your removal from the game. Sorry bud. ARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!
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Jul 19, 2014 21:14
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ard i will call you mean names
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Jul 19, 2014 21:14
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If you want me to stop advocating your lynch, then explain one benefit to leaving you alive.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:16
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Ardulac posted:If you want me to stop advocating your lynch, then explain one benefit to leaving you alive. we can actually kill scum today
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Jul 19, 2014 21:16
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How can we do that better today than tomorrow?
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Jul 19, 2014 21:17
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The only difference I'm seeing is that I'll likely be dead tomorrow if you're telling the truth. And while I'm not lacking in the self opinion category, I don't think that is worth the risk of leaving you alive.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:18
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Ardulac posted:How can we do that better today than tomorrow? one scum on its own makes poorer decisions than 2 or 3 scum together
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Jul 19, 2014 21:18
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mr.capps posted:one scum on its own makes poorer decisions than 2 or 3 scum together I mean with everyone full claiming, they've almost certainly worked out most of their plans.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:22
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I have considered one small benefit to lynching someone else over Capps today. If we hit Scum, then they can't Roleblock and kill tonight which means Opop can protect me tonight. So that's something. I still think it's not worth the risk, but I'll ponder that for a bit.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:26
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Let's do that list thing kids were doing earlier. Rules out: Very unlikely: Keane/f_v - Keane could have saved her Vig, let the Thunderdome finish (killing a Townie or a 3rd Party), and Vigged someone tomorrow as soon as any Townie voted for another Townie. Resulting in a surprise LYLO. Keane/Zebu - See above. Keane/Opop - See above. f_v/Opop - Between my Town result on him and his play, I'm pretty confident Opop is Town. (And honestly, we'll probably just lose if I'm wrong since I don't see us catching him at this point) Zebu/Opop - See above. capps/Opop - See above. The rest: f_v/Zebu f_v/capps f_v/TT Zebu/capps Huh, so in any of those 4 cases lynching f_v won't end the game today. Hmm...
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Jul 19, 2014 21:53
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And even adding the unlikely Keane options back in, the only one that ends the game is Keane/Zebu.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:55
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Based on all of that, can anyone see something I'm missing that justifies not lynching f_v?
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Jul 19, 2014 21:58
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I'll buy it, Ard.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:59
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It's tempting to just pull the trigger and do this with you right now.
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Jul 19, 2014 22:01
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Ardulac posted:The rest: Also, if the scum team was me/capps, killing fv would win the game for town because it would verify the identity of both scum (assuming you rule out keane as scum).
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Jul 19, 2014 22:01
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greatZebu posted:Also, if the scum team was me/capps, killing fv would win the game for town because it would verify the identity of both scum (assuming you rule out keane as scum). Then again, I didn't see anything wrong with my logic on Capps until I went through this process.
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Jul 19, 2014 22:03
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##vote fv
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Jul 19, 2014 22:10
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Ardulac posted:Based on all of that, can anyone see something I'm missing that justifies not lynching f_v? Yes, this. Opopanax posted:We have me, Ard and FV here. Scum will want to RB me tonight, then kill one of the three. But if two of us survive we will gain info. FV will either catch or clear someone, or Ard will. If FV is scum we'll know soon enough and should still have time to deal with it later. I don't want to kill FV today
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Jul 19, 2014 22:23
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##unvote
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Jul 19, 2014 22:24
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Ardulac posted:Let's do that list thing kids were doing earlier. Why are you 100% ruling out Keane? We've already said the scum team seems a bit underpowered, so a scum day vig would balance that.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Why are you 100% ruling out Keane? We've already said the scum team seems a bit underpowered, so a scum day vig would balance that.
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Jul 19, 2014 22:29
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Here's how I see it. Most likely scum team Capps/Zebu. Capps is the roleblocker. Unlikely, but not impossible scum team Keane/Zebu. In this case Capps is telling the truth about his 3P role. To me, lynching Zebu makes sense with either combination. Lynching Capps also makes sense because if he is telling the truth about being 3P then if he disappears overnight and we lynch town today, then we lose.
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Jul 19, 2014 22:29
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CCKeane posted:##unvote Keane, I don't understand your thinking. If fv isn't scum, the only plausible team that doesn't include you is me and capps. And you have an unreasonable level of trust in capps. And even if it was me and capps, I think town would win after killing fv.
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Jul 19, 2014 22:37
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I'm ready to cast my vote, but I'd rather here what Opop has to say first. I'm okay with making this decision and possibly losing the game for myself, but I'd rather not make that decision for Opop without hearing his thoughts.
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Jul 19, 2014 22:49
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I want to lynch Capps or nobody
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Jul 19, 2014 23:02
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I'll vote Capps or Zebu.
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Jul 19, 2014 23:19
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Opopanax posted:I want to lynch Capps or nobody
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Jul 19, 2014 23:22
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Ardulac posted:Any thoughts on what I mentioned? What's that?
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Jul 19, 2014 23:27
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The comments on the different possible Scum teams and how that relates to lynching f_v today.
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Opopanax posted:If FV is scum we'll know soon enough and should still have time to deal with it later. I don't want to kill FV today I don't think this is true. If capps is telling the truth and we kill him, scum can block opop and kill ard. Then fv says she tracked me and its her word against mine again, except now its lylo.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:05
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greatZebu posted:I don't think this is true. If capps is telling the truth and we kill him, scum can block opop and kill ard. Then fv says she tracked me and its her word against mine again, except now its lylo. But then we know poo poo is whacky.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:08
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Can we just kill Capps please. ##vote Capps -1 now.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:09
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##Unvote
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Jul 20, 2014 00:15
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This is a very exciting end game.
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Congrats on your win one way or the other Capps. ##Vote f_v.
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