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Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Venomous posted:

I mean, if we take that political compass website as in any way accurate, then Biden's only choice for a Republican VP who isn't outright fash is Bill Weld, and I have no idea who Bill Weld is apart from the fact that he's probably an ancap, with all the creepy poo poo that implies.

Lol there is no way in hell Tulsi is economically as left as Sanders

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





would've thought Tulsi would be way more authoritarian left tbh

lovely website anyway

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Venomous posted:

I have no idea who Bill Weld is apart from the fact that he's probably an ancap, with all the creepy poo poo that implies.

The beta test of Romney. Popular moderate republican governor of Massachusetts. I think they're currently experimenting with version 3.0.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
i've had time to digest this.

If Butt is the candidate I will write in Bernie Sanders

Depending on circumstances, I will reluctantly vote for Warren, Klob or Biden

If Bloomberg gets the nomination, I will vote Trump

4 more years of a incompetent fascist with transparent corrupt motives is far superior to a polished and competent fascist

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Luckily I don't have to worry about what to do with my vote if Bloomberg is the nominee because he'll never win Texas so I can just write in Bernard Sanders

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Vote blue no matter who
*Both candidates are actual republicans*

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

HootTheOwl posted:

Vote blue no matter who
*Both candidates are actual republicans*
I still think all eligible voters who don't cast a vote should be counted as votes for a dog. If the dog wins it gets to be President.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
This keeps coming up in the primary thread but I'm generally curious to see what people in this forum would do in a Bloomberg/Trump general.

I would vote Trump and (reluctantly) all Dem down ballot

Would you pick Bloomberg as a "lesser" evil?

Write in Bernie Sanders?

Not vote at all?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
Bloomberg is the greater evil. If he wins (which he won't, but for the sake of argument) it means that both major parties are now in the hands of fascist oligarchs and then we're completely hosed.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
I agree, but would you vote for trump?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
If I were eligible to vote I'd write in Zombie Eugene Debs.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

oxsnard posted:

I agree, but would you vote for trump?
I don't know about your state, but in my state PSL is routinely on the ballot and I'd probably vote for their candidate. (Which is what I did last election)

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

twodot posted:

I don't know about your state, but in my state PSL is routinely on the ballot and I'd probably vote for their candidate. (Which is what I did last election)

hell yeah. I think people who don't have these options should write in candidates, instead of not voting at all. if only in the hope that the numbers of people doing so would be reported.

Crumbskull
Sep 13, 2005

The worker and the soil
Anyone ITT know who SPUSA is running this year? Its not clear to me from their website this tine around. I nornally vote for their candidate cause thats what McCaine told me to do in '08.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Cerebral Bore posted:

Bloomberg is the greater evil. If he wins (which he won't, but for the sake of argument) it means that both major parties are now in the hands of fascist oligarchs and then we're completely hosed.

Destroying Bloomberg has become the greatest priority ATM, not gonna lie. We cannot afford attempts to buy the opposition to Trump, and if he gets the nom, the democratic party has to be destroyed, no if ands or buts, from both practical (we cannot have both parties in the hands of the fash oligarchs) and moral (a political party allowing itself to be brought in such a fashion must be made an example of).

StratGoatCom fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Feb 18, 2020

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I agree but I still can't bring myself to vote for Trump, I'll write in Bernie or something..

Bloomberg would lose 40+ states anyway, my vote won't matter at all

sand maggot
Jan 3, 2020

Cerebral Bore posted:

Bloomberg is the greater evil. If he wins (which he won't, but for the sake of argument) it means that both major parties are now in the hands of fascist oligarchs and then we're completely hosed.

We’re completely hosed anyway if Bernie doesn’t win.

Like, asking leftists and socialists to vote for fascist oligarchs, fake Indians, and centrists after they stole the nomination TWICE is hilarious.


oxsnard posted:

i've had time to digest this.

If Butt is the candidate I will write in Bernie Sanders

Depending on circumstances, I will reluctantly vote for Warren, Klob or Biden

If Bloomberg gets the nomination, I will vote Trump

4 more years of a incompetent fascist with transparent corrupt motives is far superior to a polished and competent fascist

If Bloomberg is the nominee, don’t vote - just work on trying to move out of the country before a synthesis of Mad Max and Blade Runner becomes a reality.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

oxsnard posted:

I agree, but would you vote for trump?

Yes. I don't just want Bloomberg to lose I want the map to swallow him.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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It may well be the lesser evil, as allowing the theft of the democrats by the other fash oligarch may be more damaging than 4 more years of Trump.

sand maggot
Jan 3, 2020

I never expected the DNC to shamelessly promote a billionaire boasting more racist, sexist, and transphobic poo poo on tape than Trump as a response to The Donald, yet here we are!

B B
Dec 1, 2005

sand maggot posted:

I never expected the DNC to shamelessly promote a billionaire boasting more racist, sexist, and transphobic poo poo on tape than Trump as a response to The Donald, yet here we are!

this was foretold immediately after the election:

https://mobile.twitter.com/randygdub/status/796229362643152896

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

I will vote for any democratic nominee other than Bloomberg. Even Pete, I think. But I'm not voting Bloomberg and I can't bring myself to vote Trump so if Bloomberg is the nominee I'll vote 3rd party or write in Bernie Sanders, depending on the 3rd party options.

B B
Dec 1, 2005

To contribute: there's not a chance in hell I'd vote for Bloomberg if he wins the nomination. I'd at least vote for any of the other nominees. I'd throw Warren a few bucks and might do some door knocking in November.

For Bernie, I'll very likely be selling a bunch of stuff that I don't need so I can max out my donations and would volunteer hundreds of hours to his campaign.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
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Buglord
why would bloomberg win the nomination?

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Probation
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

why would bloomberg win the nomination?

Because he gives a lot of money to the same entities seeking to ratfuck Bernie in a contested convention

Eminai
Apr 29, 2013

I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality.
Bumping this thread to say that if Bernie wins the primary I'll probably vote straight ticket Democrat, and if Biden wins I'll probably spend that Tuesday volunteering in a soup kitchen.

also lol Bloomberg

Foul Ole Ron
Jan 6, 2005

All of you, please don't rush, everyone do the Guybrush!
Fun Shoe

Eminai posted:

Bumping this thread to say that if Bernie wins the primary I'll probably vote straight ticket Democrat, and if Biden wins I'll probably spend that Tuesday volunteering in a soup kitchen.

also lol Bloomberg

Ha, good luck with having a democracy then.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Eminai posted:

Bumping this thread to say that if Bernie wins the primary I'll probably vote straight ticket Democrat, and if Biden wins I'll probably spend that Tuesday volunteering in a soup kitchen.

also lol Bloomberg

You should vote downticket.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Foul Ole Ron posted:

Ha, good luck with having a democracy then.

you don't have a democracy in the first place, you have a plutocracy

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders.

Rosalie_A
Oct 30, 2011

Eminai posted:

also lol Bloomberg

I haven't fully figured out how I'd feel about a Biden v. Trump November, but I'm very happy I don't need to navigate the five people on each rail trolley problem of Bloomberg v. Trump.

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Foul Ole Ron posted:

Ha, good luck with having a democracy then.

Either democracy ends on nov 2020 with Trump winning or democracy ends in nov 2024 after a weak Biden presidency gets clobbered by Trump 2.0, now 30 years younger and 30 times as fascist

If our society could even be legitimately called a democracy anymore

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Feldegast42 posted:

Either democracy ends on nov 2020 with Trump winning or democracy ends in nov 2024 after a weak Biden presidency gets clobbered by Trump 2.0, now 30 years younger and 30 times as fascist

If our society could even be legitimately called a democracy anymore

Yeah, the dems are sleepwalking into getting smashed by Herrenvolk social democracy. Biden eating poo poo may well be less damaging long term.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

StratGoatCom posted:

Yeah, the dems are sleepwalking into getting smashed by Herrenvolk social democracy. Biden eating poo poo may well be less damaging long term.

Our slim loving fortune is that the GOP is still ideologically incapable of, say, adopting M4A (except those people) as a policy, because holy poo poo would they wreck the Dems and their "better things aren't possible" bullshit.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


Cerebral Bore posted:

Our slim loving fortune is that the GOP is still ideologically incapable of, say, adopting M4A (except those people) as a policy, because holy poo poo would they wreck the Dems and their "better things aren't possible" bullshit.

And the instant one appears, we are hosed on this trajectory.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




So, I'm going to pose a question that I think the majority of us will need to ponder in the next 8 or so months.

Does it make sense to vote for Biden, thinking Trump must be replaced over anything else, even if Biden is not much better (and likely going senile)? Or do we choose Trump, with the risk that it will accelerate Democrats even further left as back to back establishment nominations and rallying against Bernie caused eight years of Trump? With Biden you're validating the establishment and you may not ever have another chance. I'd probably write in Sanders if that's the case, but a write-in vote is basically a Trump vote so have to think in that mindset.

I know even thinking about voting for Trump in these parts is treading on thin ice, but I think it's going to get brought up more and more.

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

I'm definitely grappling with that myself. At the moment I'm leaning toward leaving the Presidential choice blank and just voting down ticket. I think for me it may depend on who the VP is and how likely they could take over in 2024 if needed.

I just really loving hate the establishment right now and can't believe so many people didn't learn poo poo from 2016.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Pembroke Fuse posted:

Choose your fighter:

- In a two-party system, not voting for the lesser of two evils in a general election is de-facto enabling the greater of two evils. This has bad consequences now and may have very bad consequences later (the cessation of voting altogether).
- In a two-party system, voting for the lesser of two evils enables them to remain merely "lesser" and not in fact reformist or revolutionary in any real sense. This has less bad consequences now, but may have very bad consequences in the future (inability to distinguish evils in any meaningful way).
- Jeb!

OP was more right than they ever expected.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Kirios posted:


Does it make sense to vote for Biden, thinking Trump must be replaced over anything else, even if Biden is not much better (and likely going senile)? Or do we choose Trump, with the risk that it will accelerate Democrats even further left as back to back establishment nominations and rallying against Bernie caused eight years of Trump?
I'm not sure an extra 4 years of targeting the vulnerable is worth it. Much less whatever happens at SCOTUS.

Totally want the DNC to gently caress off and realize they boned themselves but that's pretty much cutting off my nose territory.

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PenguinKnight
Apr 6, 2009

Tbh I’m fine with tiny spite moves like that when we have no power or say towards anything at the DNC

Does it work? No, unless a lot of people do it. Does it feel good? Yeah it fuckin does

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