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Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
As a child, I always thought that Rival evolved his Eevee into an opposite of whatever you evolved your Eevee into. I always picked Vaporeon, and always kicked Rival's rear end, so I never made the actual connection between the battles and the Eeeveelution later.

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SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
I hate Blue that much more upon realizing that Oak meant to give us the Eevee, but he decided the random Pikachu he caught would be a better choice. Then Blue got the Eevee. And no, it doesn't matter that you can get one later. You could've had two.

SectumSempra
Jun 22, 2011

Bi-Han now we've got Bad Blood
It's interesting how differently light screen works this gen because special is one stat instead of 2.

Vertigo Ambrosia
May 26, 2004
Heretic, please.
Gen 1 Flareon is an awesome useful pokemon and I will not have people slander it :mad:

why does nintendo hate my favorite :negative:

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Flareon's cool. And as bad as things are for it, keep two things in mind!

1. It got Flare Blitz in Gen VI, meaning that GameFreak is at least aware of it and considering possibly fixing it up more in the future.
2. It's not Raichu.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

To be fair, Flareon is tied for the second highest Attack in this game. It just kinda can't use it as effectively as the others.

Zonekeeper
Oct 27, 2007



Hobgoblin2099 posted:

2. It's not Raichu.

I'm honestly shocked they haven't said "gently caress it" and made a Mega Pikachu yet. If they're going to pretend Raichu doesn't exist then they might as well make Pikachu numerically better. Bonus points if Megachu gets an ability that elevates it to ubers while Raichu languishes in NU.

Petiso
Apr 30, 2012



Zonekeeper posted:

I'm honestly shocked they haven't said "gently caress it" and made a Mega Pikachu yet. If they're going to pretend Raichu doesn't exist then they might as well make Pikachu numerically better. Bonus points if Megachu gets an ability that elevates it to ubers while Raichu languishes in NU.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012


All those pikachu clones are honestly getting silly. Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, Dedenne...

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Flareon's cool. And as bad as things are for it, keep two things in mind!

1. It got Flare Blitz in Gen VI, meaning that GameFreak is at least aware of it and considering possibly fixing it up more in the future.
2. It's not Raichu.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Well, yes, but Flareon has a completely anemic movepool anyway, Giving it flare blitz was mostly a "Oh hey, yeah, you exist don't you" thing. You normally want It on things with Drought anyway.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Why are video game Russians always evil? Is it because of Stalin? I bet it's because of Stalin.

You take that back about Boris :argh: He is an understanding boss about your need to cut the Denver police force in half.

VolticSurge
Jul 23, 2013

Just your friendly neighborhood photobomb raptor.



Section Z posted:

You take that back about Boris :argh: He is an understanding boss about your need to cut the Denver police force in half.

And the Heavy Weapons Guy seems affable enough. And then there's Reznov.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

VolticSurge posted:

And the Heavy Weapons Guy seems affable enough. And then there's Reznov.

Stukov's about as decent a person as you'll get in his circumstances in the Starcraft series.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Zonekeeper posted:

I'm honestly shocked they haven't said "gently caress it" and made a Mega Pikachu yet. If they're going to pretend Raichu doesn't exist then they might as well make Pikachu numerically better. Bonus points if Megachu gets an ability that elevates it to ubers while Raichu languishes in NU.

I don't think they'll give Pikachu a mega evo, it needs to be recognizable. A mega light ball however...

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
It's mega evolution will just be Pikachu except perpetually surrounded by a nimbus of bright blue lightning.

Zonekeeper
Oct 27, 2007



Kurieg posted:

It's mega evolution will just be Pikachu except perpetually surrounded by a nimbus of bright blue lightning.

Make it a Pikachu/Pichu team with Parental Bond.

X_countryguy
Dec 31, 2007

Whatscha holdup, Tron? If you don't hurry up there's not gonna be any pizza left!
I kept hearing the "Bingo!" from Smash TV whenever a door was opened up in that update.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Update 21: Riding the Psywave

Starting off with more evolutions. Still plenty to go. Will today be your favorite? Find out here!



Team Rocket is gone from Saffron, so now we can access all areas.

"to see you soon!"

: Hey! Don't look at my letter!

While this is a cool bit of continuity, I don't get no free stuff, so who cares, right?

"of techniques!"

Bit tame compared to the new letter being 'so I hear you've been taken over by the mafia?'



This is the interesting house.



While imitation is the highest form of flattery, that sounds annoying as hell.



Seems to have a pretty lucky family.



: Uh no, I just asked you. Huh? You're strange!



: But that's my favorite hobby!



: For me? Thank you! You can have this, then!



: Use it on a good POKEMON!

I would if it were a good move. Mimic (Monomane) allows you to select the enemy's move to copy. This allows you to see their entire moveset and see just how terrible they all are. Funnily enough, you can't use this feature in link battles. They at least got some things right... But yeah, unless you really want to use the opponent's moves against them, just attack them with what you learn.



: Pardon? Is it that fun to mimic my every move?



Okayyyyy, moving on from the crazy girl (she's great)

"It's only a doll!"

Copycat is a big fan of dolls, so that Poke Doll I bought way back in Celadon is better given to her then sequence breaking.



Copycat tells her parents her Doduo talks. They don't believe her.

"on his head!"

This is a very obscure reference to the Japan only Mario and Wario on the SNES. It was planned to be localized, but alas, never came to be. It was one of the few games to use the SNES mouse accessory (yes there was a SNES mouse). Interesting that they kept this in, since no one would understand the reference in the west.



This might be the first time I've ever picked up this hidden item.



Oh?

"CLEFAIRY!"

Oh. Not really not much of a secret if everyone knows it.



Well, time to take down this Gym.



: SABRINA's POKEMON use psychic power instead of force!

: Fighting POKEMON are weak against psychic POKEMON! They get creamed before they can even aim a punch!

He doesn't mention Poison types because lol if you're using one this far in the game.



Oh yeah, TELEPORT MAZE YAY. I ignored the poo poo out of these in Silph Co. because aside from a couple, they're completely useless. However, you need to use these to navigate the 3x3 grid of this Gym, with Sabrina in the centre. Good loving luck.

"our LEADER!"

: You won't reach her easily!

Crap, the Bug Catchers are back.



Oh wait, never mind.



:rolldice:



#080: Slowbro



This thing is strong. Or my thing is weak.

"SAFFRON."

: The FIGHTING DOJO next door lost its GYM status when we went and creamed them!

Rude. But tis simply the circle of life.



We'll be going to each room and clearing them and the best way to do that is to head across vertically each time. You'll only miss out on two teleports, but you'll eventually reach the leader after taking out all the trainers. A visual aid would be better.



So, the colours only indicate how many teleporters you've traveled to reach there. The minimum teleporters you'll use (including the first one), is 5 to reach the leader. So the quickest path is to go A, C, F, J, M. Or, go A, D, O, N, M. Or, A, C, E, H, M. You get the picture, there's quite a number of ways to get through. And then reverse for when you're heading back. Simple.

"fight!"

Oh great, these guys again.



Boring ghosts aside, this should be interesting because...



:science: :science: :science:



Thunder (Kaminari) is the strongest Electric move, if a bit inaccurate. This is just the boost Ikue needs to stay relevant.

"place."

Otherwise, eh. (Pikachu does the electrifying animation like it did with learning Thunderbolt, but I forgot, sorry!)



I don't believe your AI can predict the future!



...so not Ghost? So you knew of the glitch??? But didn't fix it?????

"its psychics!"

: You want to see SABRINA! I can tell!

Your powers told you that a Gym challenger wishes to battle the Gym Leader? Great clairvoyance there mate.



Pfft, easy. (Due to no Psychic moves)

"read your mind!"

...but you lost.

"respect her!"

Why are you here???



Oh yeah, Seismic Toss ignores weaknesses, resistances and immunities. If I hadn't mentioned that before, I have now!



: If you wish to beat SABRINA, focus on winning!

Everyone's very chatty in this Gym.

"enough!"

So I use the force?



Heh, I beat you up with power.

"MASTER next door!"

Been there, done that.

"their trainers."

: Your POKEMON must be tough then!

I know yours aren't, I've faced a million of them!

"to my POKEMON!"

TM is love, TM is life.



That's all the trainers, so let's head to the final teleporter.



: I have had psychic powers since I was a child. I first learned to bend spoons with my mind.

: I dislike fighting, but if you wish, I will show you my powers!

:siren:VS Leader Sabrina:siren:


Sabrina: The Mistress of Psychic Pokemon!
(Sabrina sounds vaguely like psychic, or a combination of Abra and brain. It could be based off Sabrina The Teenage Witch, which debuted in comic form in 1962 and TV form in 1996. But who knows for sure. Natsume is the Japanese name for the jujube (or date) tree.)



Oh, whoops, accidentally sent out my Fighting type. Whatever will I-



jk, Abra has no damaging moves. And look, the strongest type in the game is at level 50. Oh won't this be fun.



Kadabra does have some powerful moves which can really hurt. Well, except for Psywave (Saikowēbu: Psychowave), which does a variable amount of damage that increases depending on the user's level. It uses the formula (X+0.5)*L, where X is a random number between 0 and 1 and L is the level of the attacking Pokemon. So at level 100, it can do between 50 and 150 damage, which is either amazing, or pathetic. So go with something that has some consistency to it. It isn't affected by typing either.



Wukong did its job though. And Psywave did 52 damage. So, by reversing the equation, we get (52/50)-0.5, which is 0.54, the number chosen. Maths bitch!



Okay maybe Wukong wasn't that useful. But Aquamemnon has this. Right?



Eh. Whatever. Moving on.



#065: Alakazam



We need to cripple this thing, FAST. It can deal some serious damage to our team.



THAT WAS A CRIT?



The main thing it'll do is boost its Defense to an amount that isn't completely pathetic. Now Ikue can barely damage it on either side.



But it did what was necessary.



Maybe I would've just died to one attack. Who knows? What matters is I won.



: But, a loss is a loss. I admit I didn't work hard enough to win! You earned the MARSHBADGE!



Holla holla that dolla dolla.

"to L70 obey you!"

: Stronger POKEMON will become wild, ignoring your orders in battle! Just don't raise your POKEMON too much!

: Wait, please take this TM with you!



: TM46 is PSYWAVE! It uses powerful waves to inflict damage!

: Everyone has psychic power! People just don't realize it!

I predict you getting weaker for whatever reason. It's also weird she talks so much about traded Pokemon, which you probably shouldn't have over level 50, or 70 by this point anyway. It's strange. Oh well, back we go.



: If I had that, I'd make a bundle at the slots!

Is that all adults think about in this world?



Regardless, we have only two more badges left. But before we end it off, what I like doing after a specific point is going back through the region with various HMs and items and finishing up some leftover stuff. So let's go.



First up is back home. Now there are a number of places we could go for some of these Pokemon, but I'm going to where they're most likely to appear. Stuff you can catch with rods was changed around a lot between games, so it'll differ a lot in RBG.



Ikue is gonna be pretty useful. I could get a low leveled Pokemon to whittle them down, buuuuuuuuut :effort:



We're gonna be doing a lot of catching.



Next up, not new Pokemon, but new places. Kinda.



: The POKEMON LEAGUE champion is the only person who is allowed in!

I get ya. You're guarding this place. Not surprising, with hair like that.



Something new to get though.



No, not you.



#119: Seaking

There we go.



Quick Attack is also very useful in whittling things down.



Hey, remember this girl? No? Good, she's a bit rubbish.



Well, aside from that. Spore (Kinoko no Hōshi: Mushroom Spore) is the only reason to use Paras and friends, since it's a 100% accurate Sleep inducing move. Shame the Pokemon that have it are kinda poo poo. Ah well.

"mushrooms here."

: I think I got them all.

...well done? I think we should leave her and her shrooms alone.



Got more things here.



#098: Krabby

Coooooooooooooooookiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee.



Heh, it's gone to the PC. Like that episode. Remember? WELL, DO YA? 90S KID??? REMEMBER WHEN THINGS WERE GOOD????? CLICK THIS loving ARTICLE CHRIST



#099: Kingler



Ahh, it's been a while. Well, last, last update, but it was just a stop off.



Here's a weirdly hidden item. Like how the hell did people find this?



So we did miss out on a couple things here. Maybe, just maybe, I purposefully lost. Like I did in Mt. Moon. Yeah...



Bit weird that you can fish up Pokemon in this area despite it being pretty tricky to actually accomplish. Seriously, the rates are different compared to Vermillion.



Also, don't fish on the tile next to the S.S. Anne, because when the map loads back in, the boat LEAVES. Oh, uh, my friend found that out.



Anyway, time to settle the score.

"if you lose!"

Ohohoho. OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO.



: Jellyfish sometimes drift into the ship.



A shame we had to miss out on this item for so long, but he was the most convenient guy I could lose to.



And that's everything. Bye boat! See you next year!



Wait poo poo I forgot something.



Crap. Well at least I haven't saved.



gently caress. Okay, okay, I can fix this.



Hmm, uh, maybe I can Surf around?



Alright, it worked!



Sure buddy.



Might as well explore.



...the hell is this? What's it doing here? This game is very basic, so if something's in the game, then there has to be a reason. I guess I could move it with Strength and get my Mew... but I already have one. Well, I'm sure it's not important.



So yeah, even if the S.S. Anne leaves, by walking just above the Sailor and quickly saving, you can reset the game and if your character still faces the water, you can Surf on top of the guy and go straight past him. Allowing you to access the S.S. Anne whenever you want.



Now what about the truck? Well, it might have had a purpose at one point, but in this game, it does nothing. In the remakes, they kept it in and had a Lava Cookie nearby, so it might not have been one renegade artist slipping it in at the last second and they actually knew about it. Since you can just trade a Pokemon over that knows Cut, you can skip the S.S. Anne entirely and return later, so the truck could be a cool little easter egg for those more curious players. And of course, if you faint after getting the HM, or just glitching through the guy, you can return whenever no matter what. And, no, you cannot use Strength on it. Beating the Elite Four 365 times however...



Anyway, there's nothing else here. Using the glitch, you can make the S.S. Anne leave and return as much as you want. But I think we're done here.



That's deep man.



#054: Psyduck



Sure, chuck it in the pile.



#055: Golduck

Oh yeah, I ran out of Pokeballs, so I'll just evolve Psyduck later.



I know this has been bothering me for a little bit.

: I've seen you, but I never had a chance to talk! Here's a gift for dropping by!



: TM41 teaches SOFTBOILED! Only one POKEMON can use it! That POKEMON is CHANSEY!

Softboiled (Tamago Umi: Egg Lay) is an okay move that heals you for 50% of your health. And yeah, only Chansey can learn it. And Mew. Is that why it's a TM? Well, it could be useful.



Nearly done, just a couple more Pokemon to get.



No.



#130: Gyarados



We could've gotten this a long time ago had we raised Emperor. But I'm not loving insane, so here we are.



Last stop and we can get the last item in this goddamn place. But there's just one more thing.



#147: Dratini



Unfortunately we have to find this mythical Pokemon in this terrible place, but at least it's not too speedy. It's fairly common to fish up, so you'll get one eventually.



Now we can also catch its evolution, but not only is it really rare, it's also kinda speedy, so it'll be annoying to catch.



So we'll just evolve it.



#148: Dragonair



Will our team become high enough to evolve this Pokemon? We'll find out.



Not next time. But we will be cruising the deep blue sea and finally leave mainland Kanto.

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Dec 27, 2015

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
Dragonite is awesome. :colbert: Dragonair however is far to frail.

I will never understand why Psyduck and it's evolution aren't psychic type. :(

I do kinda miss the days with crazy theories on how to get superspecial super pokemon super.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

quote:

He doesn't mention Poison types because lol if you're using one this far in the game.
Well I hope Vegeta didn't hear that :colbert:.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Darth TNT posted:

Dragonite is awesome. :colbert: Dragonair however is far to frail.

I never said it wasn't. Just that it might take a while.

Paul.Power posted:

Well I hope Vegeta didn't hear that :colbert:.

Vegeta would be better off without it. It doesn't even get Poison STAB!

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
You posted the same Pokedex picture for Magneton twice.



It's pretty great that Copycat is so annoying that she causes Red to stop being a silent protagonist for a moment. :allears:

Looks like a lot of Sabrina's Gym Trainers are using Poison-types (or Ghosts at least), too. Really weird how that happens.

Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Sep 24, 2015

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

It's pretty great that Copycat is so annoying that she causes Red to stop being a silent protagonist for a moment. :allears:

No, she's just mimicing you being annoyed at her for being a mimic.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Aw. Well, it's still pretty funny.

Twinty Zuleps
May 10, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
You know, when I played these games on my old brick I never knew that the game sent you to a Pokemon center with half your cash after you lost a fight. I'd been raised on Contra, old RPG's and loving King's Quest. I must have just gone in thinking that just like any other game when you were dead you were dead. Restore, Restart, or Quit, bitch. If I ever lost a fight I probably turned off the game boy in a huff to save myself the time of seeing the game over screen mocking my failure. I think it wasn't until I saw Twitch Plays Pokemon that I learned there wasn't a game over screen on the way.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I bet there's a Creepypasta Pokémon game where Youngster Joey executes the trainers he beats.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

If you lost to him and his Rattata, then you deserve it.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Crosspeice posted:

If you lost to him and his Rattata, then you deserve it.

I'll have you know his Rattata is in the top percentage of Rattata's. :colbert:

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
His Rattata is the 1%.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

And thus first up against the wall during the glorious revolution.

(Besides, Joey, like every trainer, has set IVs depending on his class, so most likely his Rattata has 0IVs across the board)

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Crosspeice posted:

And thus first up against the wall during the glorious revolution.

(Besides, Joey, like every trainer, has set IVs depending on his class, so most likely his Rattata has 0IVs across the board)

It actually has excellent IVs! People have checked! It's seriously top percentage!

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Waffleman_ posted:

It actually has excellent IVs! People have checked! It's seriously top percentage!

I thought that was just a rumor? Like he doesn't actually have an all 31 IV Rattata. It was either a random set of numbers like most other trainers or so. Or however IVs work for trainers.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Internet has to say this about it:

Joey's Rattata has a Gentle nature and all-around 0 IVs.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
It's in the top percentage of garbage rattatas.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Man it's a real shame they never remade Pokemon Yellow as well. Are Heartgold and ORAS basically Crystal and Emerald or no?

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

RareAcumen posted:

Man it's a real shame they never remade Pokemon Yellow as well. Are Heartgold and ORAS basically Crystal and Emerald or no?

They don't really remake 3rd versions, though the remakes usually incorporates some stuff from the 3rd version into them.

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011

:frogsiren:

Dr. Fetus posted:

They don't really remake 3rd versions, though the remakes usually incorporates some stuff from the 3rd version into them.

Heartgold and Soulsilver have Crystal's Suicune plot included and OmegaRuby and Alpha Sapphire have Emerald's Rayquaza plot included in it, as well as the additions the 3rd games and beyond bought.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.
HG/SS are definitely Crystal remakes, but OR/AS are missing a lot of Emerald content. In fact, I can't think of a single area Emerald added that survived the remake.

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Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!

RareAcumen posted:

Man it's a real shame they never remade Pokemon Yellow as well. Are Heartgold and ORAS basically Crystal and Emerald or no?

I think I read somewhere that it's in the works but I can't for the life of me remember where I read that.

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