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pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever
Wow you went through that really fast. Glad you enjoyed it, Hourou Musuko is definitely one of my favorite manga.

If you wanted to check it out animated, there's an 11 episode series starting from when they go to middle school. It's not much but the art is really, really nice. The series is up on Crunchyroll.

pezzie fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jul 23, 2013

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Miijhal
Jul 10, 2011

I am so tired... I am so tired all the time...

arisu posted:

Wow you went through that really fast. Glad you enjoyed it, Hourou Musuko is definitely one of my favorite manga.

If you wanted to check it out animated, there's an 11 episode series starting from when they go to middle school. It's not much but the art is really, really nice. The series is up on Crunchyroll.

Unfortunately the anime is terrible. It takes a 180 right at the end and implies Nitori "got over it". I know Takatsuki isn't handled well in the manga (which I'm rather miffed about) but the anime adds another layer of bullshit that comes across as really offensive in its execution.

On that note, I'd really like to see a series that has a transsexual protagonist that isn't about transsexuality now. Not happening soon, though. :v:

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Transsexualpolitan.

AntimatterSpork
Apr 23, 2008

Modéré, je vous prie.

Miijhal posted:

On that note, I'd really like to see a series that has a transsexual protagonist that isn't about transsexuality now. Not happening soon, though. :v:

its not a manga, but the webcomic Iothera features a trans protagonist and so far seems to be mostly about uncovering the mysteries of space/ancient civilizations etc. I'm enjoying it quite a bit, but ymmv

pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever

Miijhal posted:

Unfortunately the anime is terrible. It takes a 180 right at the end and implies Nitori "got over it". I know Takatsuki isn't handled well in the manga (which I'm rather miffed about) but the anime adds another layer of bullshit that comes across as really offensive in its execution.

On that note, I'd really like to see a series that has a transsexual protagonist that isn't about transsexuality now. Not happening soon, though. :v:

It's been a while since I saw it, but I totally don't remember that happening. Maybe it just went over my head.

Miijhal
Jul 10, 2011

I am so tired... I am so tired all the time...
It's at least the interpretation I got out of it, what with the whole "I always thought of you as a guy" conversation and the last few lines of dialogue. It's been a while, and I have a bit of a tendency to expect that sort of thing, but it didn't sit right with me at the time and I know a number of other people got that interpretation as well.

pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever
Hey it's Bonnouji 29!

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bonnouji/v01/c029/

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Yet another wonderful, nothing-amazing-happens-yet-still-fulfilling chapter.

I kinda wish someone else was scanlating it though. Easygoing Scans seems to put out a new chapter every couple months, living up to their name. A shame that it's one of their lower-priority series.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Hell yes, more Bonnouji!

Should have stuck with that skull ring. :hb:

In other news they finally shipped my LoveCom dvds. :neckbeard:


edit:
Holy poo poo, after two years there's a new chapter of Manga no Tsukurikata- How to Make a Manga
http://dynasty-scans.com/series/manga_no_tsukurikata

It's about a female manga artist who starts to pretend-date her friend to get inspiration to try writing a yuri manga. Surprise! They (might be) developing actual feelings for each other. It's slow and slice-of-lifey, but the art is super cute and the characters are pretty good. Plus there's manga drawing shenanigans, making it (very, very vaguely) like Bakuman.

a kitten fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jul 25, 2013

.Clash
Apr 10, 2009

a kitten posted:

Holy poo poo, after two years there's a new chapter of Manga no Tsukurikata

Holy poo poo wow. I was just thinking about how much I missed this the other week.

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007
I'd completely forgotten Manga no Tsukurikata existed to be honest, I really do enjoy the artstyle (although I can't remember what was going on, so I guess I'll re-read it). Is it still ongoing and just now far ahead of translations, or did it end in the 2 years since last chapter? Mangaupdates claims it's ongoing at 7 volumes, but that's hardly the most reliable source of information.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

The chapter listing on the latest release has "Afterword" listed after chapter 46, so I think this is the last volume.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I managed to get Wandering Son Volume 1 for 11 dollars "used"(it's brand new aside from a horrible giant price sticker on the back that I'll probably need to Goo-Gone to get rid of) and I am so impressed by the amazing quality of this hardcover book complete with an article about understanding honorifics for the uninitiated in the back, and other stuff, that I immediately went and ordered the next three volumes from Amazon. Really top-notch quality on the make of the book, I'll be sure to pick up the rest!

Also, my mom saw it in the previous orders list(we share a Prime account) and now she wants to read it after asking me about it.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Baka-Updates is a pretty handy site for finding other stuff someone's done, and I was curious if the Wandering Son author had done anything else of note. I saw this one(Shiki No Juunin) in particular, and it's been partially scanlated, but seems to have been dropped by every scanlation group a couple years back. It also seems to be a pretty old work, dating back to 1997. I burned through the 14 chapters that are out, but it seems like it would be a pretty decent series if not as dramatic and impactful as Wandering Son, but about people maturing in different ways. I wonder why nobody's scanlated the rest of it, are there any groups that do requests, even a crappy one like the ones who did the last few chapters of this one would be fine. I'm not sure if making a request comes with having to offer compensation or something, though, never requested something like that before.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jul 27, 2013

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Captain Invictus posted:

I managed to get Wandering Son Volume 1 for 11 dollars "used"(it's brand new aside from a horrible giant price sticker on the back that I'll probably need to Goo-Gone to get rid of) and I am so impressed by the amazing quality of this hardcover book complete with an article about understanding honorifics for the uninitiated in the back, and other stuff, that I immediately went and ordered the next three volumes from Amazon. Really top-notch quality on the make of the book, I'll be sure to pick up the rest!

Also, my mom saw it in the previous orders list(we share a Prime account) and now she wants to read it after asking me about it.

Told ya. :colbert:

As much as I love her work I still haven't really read much of Shimura's older stuff although I keep meaning to. I have read the part of The Devil is So Cute that was done on jmanga (RIP) and Boku wa, Onnanoko, the latter of which has a story featuring Yuki from Wandering Son.

I'll have to look at the one you linked, if only just to see more of her artwork.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I am just really intrigued by it because it went for a solid seven volumes and completed. Considering they did Wandering Son, I'm really interested in where it could possibly go in 7 volumes worth since what it's set up so far is promising for a fairly lighthearted, slightly dramatic maturation story and maybe romance(if the tags are any indication). But nobody's scanlating it, so I was curious what the normal way of going about making a request like that would be and if anyone knew groups who took requests/commissions, how much they'd be, etc.

edit: uh. uhhhhh...I was going through the other stuff he's done and got to "Dounika Naru Hibi". It's...kinda hosed up! That second chapter is pretty hosed up in a mental illness sorta way!

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jul 27, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Alright, apologies for the double post but this thread doesn't move too quickly, and I've nearly run out of suggestions folks gave me, I think! Things I've read so far that's been suggested and what I thought of them:

Ai-Ren(tragedy, romance, sci-fi, psychological) - Very moving, while I think most of the apocalypse subplot was extraneous, Ai and Ikuru were adorable together. Probably one of the most impactful things I've ever read, likely due to my experience with horrible death and tragedy in the past. I would not want recommendations similar to this series, though, it was really soul-crushing reading the last third or so of Ai-Ren. A series that, while often about romance, is mostly about life, death, humanity, and acceptance. I am frankly astonished it's never been put out in English.

Sasameki Koto (yuri, drama, comedy, school) - Felt this one was roughly a third longer than it needed to be. I enjoyed a lot of it, but felt certain characters and arcs were shoehorned in as padding. Still nice, the drama was pretty well-thought-out for a romance manga, the romance itself was pretty solid, and the comedy was also good.

Octave (adult, yuri, drama, slice of life, post-school life, active relationship) - Probably one of the best romance series I've read so far. The main character is flawed, insecure, selfish, petty, and psychologically scarred so she's got some serious mental issues to sort out, her insecurities wind up hurting her a lot. Portrays homophobia more realistically than many of the other series I've read(when it bothers with it), the romance is interesting and they deal with all sorts of issues pretty smoothly(in regards to pacing). One character in particular kinda seems like an exposition fairy. The ending is a little abrupt but still, one of the better series I've read in this list.

Masturbation Master Kurosawa (drama, school, psychological, mental issues, romance, mature stuff) - I read this a long time ago but might as well include it in the list. Probably in the top 10 manga I've read, pretty hosed up but surprisingly well made, story moves at a solid pace and the characters show genuine change throughout instead of it being yet another status quo hell. Can be really difficult to convince people to read it due to the name, but when I've gotten folks to, they've usually been surprised by how good it is. I'll have to read it again some day.

Wandering Son(Hourou Musuko) (drama, romance, transsexualism, school years) - One of the best manga I've read, period, deals with lots of real issues pretty realistically. Follows a young boy who identifies as a girl, a girl who identifies as a boy, and their struggles as they grow from elementary school kids to middle and then high schoolers. Deals with conflicts with bullying, discrimination, and identity crises very well. There are some flaws but overall one of the most open-minded series I've read. When I finished it I immediately bought the first volume, then when I got that and found how high-quality the books are, I bought the other four available. Seriously top-notch book quality, to boot.

Paradise Kiss (romance, fashion, comedy, drama drama drama) - Paradise Kiss is one of those series that when being introduced to a genre, is one of the first most folks would suggest. Very dramatic, very romantic, very well-done art(though my one major gripe is the AyeAye-like spiderfingers people have), and also very very funny at the right moments. Lots of twists and turns, some unexpected. Doesn't overstay its welcome and is very solid throughout, a real showstopper.

Lovely Complex (shoujo, romance, comedy, high school hijinks, drama) - Has some of the best funny faces I've seen in manga, really goddamn funny a lot of the time. The high school romance is good, Seiko is cringeworthy(though still handled better than you'd think a comedy series would), it starts to lose steam later on unfortunately and does that thing I don't like where the series ends along with graduation. I hate that so much. If I had to compare it to something, it'd be like...the Dragon Ball of romance series? Maybe? Not the best but definitely something you should eventually check out if you get into the genre. I hear the anime's better though, and that there's a finished sequel called Love Com 2 but that's not fully translated yet. Love Com is a weird series in that it seems to keep hinting that it could have a much deeper story, but doesn't. Such as in Love Com 2 when Risa's brother mentions how Risa has no idea the situation she's in, which sounded like she's totally hosed up her life's chances.

B Gata H Kei(Yamada's First Time) (4koma, romance, comedy, sex, school) - A wacky 4koma about an attractive perverted virgin girl who falls for the most run-of-the-mill dude in class. Has roughly a billion chapters(each chapter is 7 4komas), takes absolutely forever to go anywhere, and yet is still a satisfying series. Some stuff can be straight-up skipped, and it does feel like it's stuck in status quo hell, but it does gradually go somewhere and progress. Not a regrettable read, actually pretty satisfying and can be pretty funny. Still, around a hundred chapters too long.

Sekitou Elergy (drama, romance, comedy, post-school, blue-collar workers, slice of life, sex) - Take the palms of your hands and mush your face so it makes your lips pucker. You now look like a character in Sekitou Elergy. The faces are hilarious, and the background artwork is really drat good most of the time. Very grimy, very crude, very unflattering, that is this series. Everything is dirty. Everyone is a total shitbag. The protagonists are a cowardly failure and a rude, brutish loner working part-time jobs. But the series is just so god drat appealing and fun, and really drat funny a lot of the time. The characters grow and progress at a fairly normal pace, their romance is pretty adorable and hilarious. Not fully scanlated unfortunately, but definitely one to keep an eye on.

Girl Friends (yuri, slice of life, school comedy, drama, oogy woogy fluffy bunnies) - Super cutesy fluffy yuri romance. Cute, enjoyable, was a pretty solid read, nothing super special or terrible or anything, a "safe" series. Probably worth picking up if it gets a bit cheaper.

Bonnouji (adult, post-school, romance, slice of life, comedy, active relationship) - Bonnouji doesn't really need any introduction. It's one of my favorite series out there for slice of life romance, and it's super fun and adorable as well. I tend to get the same sort of feeling reading Bonnouji as I do Yotsuba, though Bonnouji is for more mature audiences. It's just a wonderful, lighthearted series.

Fragments of Love (yuri, romance, school) - Not sure what to think of this just yet. Feels pretty solid but not much has been translated, only half a dozen chapters so far.

Aoi Hana (yuri, romance, drama, slice of life) - I'll probably need to re-read this series, but I do remember enjoying it for the most part, though it seemed kind of aloof at times. By the same person who did Wandering Son, and apparently the final loving chapter hasn't been scanlated because some weird website that advertises porn on their front page has licensed it for digital distro but hasn't even released the first volume and nothing turns up the series in their search. Great.


I'm sure there's others I've just forgotten I read, but so far those are the series I've read. Any suggestions for others would be appreciated, though I prefer series that don't finish with the relationship actually beginning, I feel that's a major cop-out to end the series at that point. Stuff like Octave or Bonnouji and such that have the relationship as the focus rather than the end goal are the types I like.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

As far as Aoi Hana's scans go you've missed a step. A group called Lililicious was doing it but dropped it when it got picked up by Jmanga, which was a totally legit digital manga site. It also didn't really catch on and folded a few months ago, taking a bunch of stuff down with it and after only putting out one volume of Aoi Hana (and about half of The Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer. RIP good, consistent translation of one of my all time favs. :argh:) So now, some other site bought the digital distro rights and lili won't pick it back up since it is licensed--but it's homeless at the moment and who knows what the hell is going on with the legitimate ways to get it. The last several chapters were done by /u/ and/or Hime and I'm seriously hoping that that same person or people will do the same for the final one. I braved poking around over there to see if someone had finished it up and ended up with the raws for chapter 52, but I'm afraid to look at them. Not that it would do me much good anyway, since I can't read a single word of Japanese.

Here's the cover though!


Next up, why you should watch some anime too!

The Paradise Kiss anime rules, rules, rules. Don't get me wrong, the manga is better overall, but I loooove the anime as well. Plus it has one of the most perfectly chosen songs for any ED. Ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgMAKuJIkmc

Reasons to watch Lovely Complex:
1) The faces are possibly even beter animated



2) Everyone has awesome Kansai/Osaka accents.
3) It pretty much skips all the :ohdear:"oh no, can they stay together now that they've finally gotten together":ohdear: angst that dragged down the latter parts of the manga for me.

You might want to give Itazura na Kiss a look. It starts out in high school and follows the cast all the way through college and into the workforce. The male love interest is terrible though and you might seriously start to wonder why the hell Kotoko would put up with him. Still, I think it's sort of a classic and has been adapted into both Japanese and Korean live-action shows a few times now, along with the anime and original manga versions.

a kitten fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Aug 3, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
One question, that shirt Yoshi is wearing on one page in one of the prequel chapters, that's original, right? Not something translated, they actually had that in a shoujo mag on a dude's shirt, right? Because if so, that's magnificent. I laughed for a solid couple minutes when I saw that. So out of the blue. I hope that's original and not a scanlator joke.

And I will give the Paradise Kiss/Lovely Complex animes a shot. I recall seeing some Lovely Complex gifs of just the best faces in the PYF anime gif thread, if you've got any, throw'em in there.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Kimi ni Todoke chapter 81 (a few weeks old now, how did I miss it!)
http://s2scanlations.com/online/reader/read/kimi_ni_todoke/en/0/81/page/1

Aw, they're all growing up so fast:cry:. I liked seeing a glimpse of Sawako's possible life as a teacher. Plus some words I wouldn't have thought I'd be likely to say: "Kent is actually kind of cool isn't he?"


Also, Chizu and Ayane rule, but that's no surprise really.

a kitten fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Aug 14, 2013

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

:siren:Double postin' with the final chapter of Aoi Hana.

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sweet_blue_flowers_ch52

I'm torn, on the one hand I think it works, but on the other the story meandered so oddly for the last several chapters that it doesn't really feel like it earned much of a happy ending. Not that it's even really a happy ending.

Or even much of an ending; it's just kind of a stopping point.

I'm ok with it, but considering just how much I loved the characters and story early on it is a letdown that the ending turned out to be so flat. Maybe my opinion will change one way or the other with time.


I read somewhere that Shimura wrote something about Aoi Hana in that issue too, I'd be interested in reading whatever it is, assuming anyone bothers translating it at some point, I'd love to get any insight into her mindset about how the series progressed. It's probably just a bunch of "thank yous" though, that seems to be the normal thing authors write when a series wraps up.

I do have to wonder if she has plans for anything else with both Sweet Blue Flowers and Wandering Son ending.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Yeah, that felt like just a place to say "alright, show's over folks." It was an inoffensive end, at least.

Anyways, Wandering Son was definitely the better of her two major works. Aoi Hana as a whole seems like a feeling out process both in-world and out. The ending doesn't really change that. Still pretty good though.

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007
Minor AH ending stuff: Yeah, I was fine with AH's meandering pace, intermittent focus on side-characters, and overall kind-of slice-of-life feel in some parts, back when it was still running and there seemed to be time for Shimura to keep progressing at a lazy pace until it reached a natural conclusion. But it ended up making the last few chapters feel out-of-place, because between lots of things happening, and time-skips, the pacing was just completely counter to every previous chapter and storyline. The ending in and of itself was merely 'standard', or 'safe', but seen in context with the rest of the work it put a bad taste in my mouth, not so much for what happened, but how it was done (or to put it differently, rather than being annoyed at the ending we saw unfold, I'm annoyed at all the stuff we DIDN'T get to see). I have the same problem with Wandering Son's ending, really, but it felt somewhat better executed and less jarring there for some reason (maybe because it felt like it had progressed further and done more before the ending rush set in).

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?
Just going to put out a recommendation for a series I recently finished re-reading. It's nothing super amazing, but I found that it's a good read and definitely a little different than some standard Shojo manga where.

Sand Chronicles is a manga that follows the life of a girl called Ann, and it starts from when she's 12, and keeps jumping in time all the way until she's an adult. The series isn't typical in that it doesn't end with her finally getting together with the guy, and it's a very easy read with the main story totaling only at 8 volumes while the bonus stories increase it into 10 volumes. If anyone is in need of something to read, I'd recommend giving it a shot.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
The art kinda sucks, though, at least the first few chapters I've read. There's a lotta derpy fishfaces, gummy worm/spider fingers, blowup doll mouths, and sometimes the eyes aren't even drawn in(straight-up blank spot on a bare face, wut). :v:

I'm sure it improves over time, though.

edit: IT GOT WORSE! OH THE ANATOMY!

edit again: alright, read up to the end of the scanlated stuff, ordered the three volumes that are left off Amazon. I really don't like how bad the art is and I downright hate the hands in it, like, they're some of the worst hands in a long-running professional-level work that I've seen outside of Attack On Titan. Every single scene with hands in them show a distinct lack of knowledge about how to properly draw hands, it's a real shame because it makes otherwise dramatic scenes REALLY AWKWARD LOOKING. Like the fingers don't even interlock properly when drawing people holding hands, it's like she's drawing Poser models on paper. And they've still got the gummy worm spiderfingers seven volumes in, even discounting the weird shapes and positions and sizes hands can be(I've seen a few scenes where the hands were bigger than their heads).

That said, I'm pretty impressed by the direction it's taking with an extremely flawed and clearly untreated traumatized person, and with the flow of time. It doesn't lock down in the school years but rather moves through and then beyond them rather impressively fast. Since it's already gotten seemingly close to an ending already, I'm really intrigued by what could be done in the last three volumes, so I grabbed'em.

Also, the author is totally a fan of Foxtrot. She HAS to be. No way in hell can she not know about it and still draw all those Foxtrot-style faces during lighthearted scenes.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Aug 10, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I've got a fever, and the only cure is more Bonnouji!

This chapter was preeeeeetty great!

Also, loving out of nowhere Spirograph reference. I haven't even thought of those in like, twenty years.

edit: poo poo, I had at LEAST half the stuff they montage through. Eeeeeerie! I remember that fish game, and that dress-up doll(my sister had shitloads of those), and the water-game, and and and

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Aug 11, 2013

NovaPolice
May 9, 2006
And, a reference to Killer Condom, the finest 90s German horror-comedy connected to Troma and HR Giger.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Good god they're an adorable couple. :kimchi:

edit:
Two new very good Fragments of Love chapters came out today too. One of the intro pages says "published 3 times a year: February, June, and October" which explains why there isn't as much of it as I might like.
Chapter 7
Chapter 8

a kitten fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Aug 12, 2013

gobbledygoat
Jun 4, 2011

Ask me about
Steaming Early-onset Accessperger's



Free Logical Fallacies only in 2014!
Do not listen to a thing I say.
I love fragments of love but the update schedule means that I just forget about it most of the time :(

Cityinthesea
Aug 7, 2009
Fragments of Love is great but I also love it because the art is so nice looking.

If it's only published 3 times a year I don't get what the chapter list is for though.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

a kitten posted:

Good god they're an adorable couple. :kimchi:

edit:
Two new very good Fragments of Love chapters came out today too. One of the intro pages says "published 3 times a year: February, June, and October" which explains why there isn't as much of it as I might like.
Chapter 7
Chapter 8
Geez, that's...a hell of a release schedule. Especially considering how empty a lot of the pages and panels are, I'd expect more. I don't agree that they're high detail, most panels have nothing but the character in them or low detail backgrounds. Some frames have a lot of stuff going on in them but those are few and far between. And everyone still looks like Digglepeople. Still, pretty good chapters from a storytelling perspective, I could understand all those issues I have with it if it were a weekly or maybe even monthly thing, but every four months? What. I don't want a crowded mess, of course. But a little more detail work into the walls and stuff so that it doesn't just look like lines formed into a basic shape on the paper, yanno?

Way too many words complaining about something I ultimately like, but think could be much better, I guess!

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Aug 12, 2013

PoorWeather
Nov 4, 2009

Don't worry, everybody has those days.
A little belated, but regarding Aoi Hana: Like other people are saying, I'm really bummed that it ended that way, to be honest. Like, the ending wasn't bad, per se (I was pleasantly surprised that they ended up back together) and it wrapped up or atleast addressed most of the loose ends, and was a fairly satisfying in terms of tone, but... With the way the pace and drama shot up so sharply in the last few chapters, combined with the massive amount of timeskips, the whole thing ended up taking on an impersonal, almost weird and surreal quality, which jarred completely with the usual meandering, delicate pace. Hourou Musuko did the exact same thing, for that matter, and combined with the fact that they both came to a stop at the same time, makes it end up feeling overwhelmingly like something external forced or led Shimura to cut them very sharply short, and we'll now never get to see what was originally planned.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I love both works to bits, and overall way the narratives concluded didn't feel like a total cop out. But I've been following them for such a while (Hell, half grown up with them, even) - That it just feels tragically sad that it ended in a way that was obviously much more awkward and half-hearted then what might've been. After so long, they deserved better. :(

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Wow uh, why is Sand Chronicles not in the OP? Aside from the horrible spiderfingers and general hand anatomy for most of it(I just got the last three volumes and the artist seems to have practiced a lot to fix it for those), it's an extremely well done series about a girl who goes through life, love, and traveling after suffering a major traumatic experience when young. It portrays things like trauma, depression, and the inability to let go pretty realistically, love, unrequited love, moving on, and other topics. The "heroine" is very flawed and doesn't always make the best decisions. The time scale is in years, not days or months, and it moves through Elementary, middle, and high school at a fairly brisk, reasonable rate, rather than beginning at, like, the first year of high school and ending at graduation. It then continues on into her life past the typical school years.

I was a bit surprised and maybe disappointed to see that volume 8 is where the main story actually ends even though there's a 9th and 10th volume since my main reason for buying the last three volumes was to see where it would go in three whole volumes with how things ended in volume 7, but the side stories in those are so god drat good(and mostly take place after the story concludes anyways) that it was well worth reading them. I felt the actual story's ending was a bit rushed, but that could also be due to the whole series moving at a pretty rapid pace altogether(the story begins when Ann is 12, and ends when she's at least 30, spending a decent amount of time on each stage of her life up to that point.

Definitely worth the read. The spiderfingers are still the worst though and kinda ruin a bunch of scenes because they're so drat badly drawn. Glad she fixed that for the last three books for the most part.

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Aug 13, 2013

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

I'll definitely have to give that one a look, been meaning to ever since The Black Stones posted about it.

If anyone wanted to watch the anime for Sasameki Koto, you have 'til Aug, 30 to do it legally.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-816847/marathon-time-sasameki-koto

That's kind of a bummer, that is literally the show that got me into romance anime to begin with. Hell, the very first scanlations I ever read were for that series since the anime stops before anything really happens.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I'll say it ahead of time: might want to order volumes 8, 9, and 10 preemptively, since if you're going to read scanlations, they end at the end of 7(when it was licensed), and you're going to want to know what happens next if you've read up to that point.

I felt buying those three was worth it, I don't know if I'd pay a Benjamin for the entire series, though.

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
Thanks for the heads up about Sasameki Koto; that's been in my queue for a while but I haven't had a chance to watch any of it.

I'll just post this here rather than in the recommendation thread, to Captain Invictus RE: Kimi no Todoke bein' kinda slow:
I read KnT more or less simultaneously with Suki-tte Ii na yo and I thought they made a nice counterpoint to each other. They both feature protagonists who are kind of dense loners and not very good at relating to others, who make friends with side characters who have their own fairly interesting romantic developments. Both protagonists grow and learn how to connect to other people, which IMO is the strong point of both stories more than the romance. However, Suki-tte Ii na yo starts the relationship stuff off way earlier and has a more frank tone about sex and other issues that high school age kids encounter like bullying and body image stuff. The anime was kinda meh, I enjoyed it but watched it after reading the manga.

So anyway, you might check it out if you need a shoujo fix and want something in the same vein as KnT but a little less sweet and innocent (still a slow burn though). I didn't see anywhere in your posts that you'd already read it so sorry if this is redundant!

Oh, forgot to add something--

I recently read Hinatama, which is just a really cute slice of life manga about the friendship between two boys (and one of the boy's younger siblings). It's short and complete, so if you need a quick read and want something light and cute I'd recommend it.

Everything Burrito fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Aug 14, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Nah, I haven't. I'm gonna finish KnT's manga and if that's even remotely satisfying(so far, so decent) then I might give that other one a go.

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012
Well, I finished Octave just now, and I'd like to personally thank Invictus for recommending it to me in the Anime Recommendation thread, even if that was by accident.

On the surface, I suppose one could sum it up as a fairly typical relationship, just between two women instead of a man and a woman. The manga is almost entirely about the two of them. They fight, they get closer to each other, they have their sweet-lovy dovey moments together, but that would really be missing the main appeal of the series, I think. What I liked most about this one was that it tackled something I don't see very often: the reaction of the main characters' family and friends toward a homosexual relationship.

Nobody really strongly condemns it, but there are definitely a few characters who are uncomfortable with it, at least initially, but it does lead to a couple lovely moments. Both are toward the end, but essentially the main character's mother heard rumors about her daughter's relationship and tacitly approved of it, saying it was alright. The other was her partner's brother hearing about them moving in together, and while it surprised him at first, he suspected it for a while and gradually accepted it as the way things were going to be. But the main character does struggle with her sexuality a bit, as she admits one of her dreams as a girl was that she'd find a boyfriend and get married, and she had a surprisingly nuanced view of her sexuality over the course of the series. I think she herself summed it up best by saying she loves her girlfriend, including the fact she's a woman, but she never comes out and says she is only attracted to women.

Actually, the main character deserves quite a bit of attention herself. I got the impression over the course of the manga that she doesn't really know what she wants in life. Her career as an idol floundered, causing her to fall into a malaise before she met her girlfriend. Even after meeting her, she never really seems to be comfortable with who she is until just about the very end. I think her growth over the series is what really endeared me to the manga, as her intense selfishness was the major source of her problems, both with her relationships outside of her girlfriend and with her. But saying that, I always got the feeling she soon realized after the first time they had sex she had a special bond with her girlfriend and never wanted to do anything to disrupt that.

Anyhow, this is exactly the kind of dramatic yuri I crave. The main relationship is extremely passionate and all-consuming for the both of them, and I think the copious number of sex scenes between the two of them really allowed the reader to understand the depth of their passion, which helps make the drama more believable. So yeah, I quite enjoyed this one and would happily recommend it to anyone who likes yuri or drama in general, really.

By the way, Invictus, would be I mistaken in saying the final few words in the last chapter were a text message from Yukino's mother? That's certainly the impression I got. I agree the ending was just kinda there, but I do like the fact she's going back to her mother's to formally introduce her girlfriend and be honest with herself after lying to her mother about having a boyfriend. There is no :unsmith: big enough. She's making a fresh start, probably exactly what she needs to do.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
You'll continue craving that dramatic yuri for a good long while because there's really not a whole hell of a lot like it out there of that quality. Really. If anything, there'd be one or two series like it. The only things I can think of that are similar would be Sasameki Koto and Aoi Hana, and neither of those even come close to Octave in terms of quality drama and introspection of characters, though they have their own strengths.

The text message was I'm pretty sure from my memory Yukino recalling something her mother said about bring Iwai to visit, and her response to that.

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coathat
May 21, 2007

Octave ain't dramatic yuri. Not a single murder, suicide, or secret half sibling in the whole thing.

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