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How are u posted:Or you could quit being a baby about it and work your rear end off to elect even Pete the rat because every one of these Dems has a good shot against Trump and 4 more years of Trump isn't going to teach your enemies a lesson and will in fact obliterate the last environmental protections the loving country still has and the climate apocalypse you Bernie or Busters like to shout about as the reason that Bernie must win is loving guaranteed. It's guaranteed with Pete too E: I'll probably end up voting for him out of despair because the alternative is Trump, but gently caress donating to him or canvassing for him. He has billionaire backers he doesn't need my chump change, and I can't lie to people's faces so canvassing or phonebanking for him is out. But it doesn't matter how I vote, I live in a red state that he will lose, in a nation that he will also lose because he sucks and Trump will clown all over his West Wing pablum in the debates. But it's loving ridiculous to use "Trump will destroy the climate" as an argument because so will Pete that is 100% guaranteed. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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yronic heroism posted:Pete will probably keep campaigning as he has been and signal he will pick a black running mate if things still look bad in SC. Identity voting doesn't work that way with black people. Hillary polled over Obama for a while in the south with black people.
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Why have we been arzying for 500 posts this afternoon? You'd think the spectrum outage on the east coast would hamper that.
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How are u posted:Or you could quit being a baby about it and work your rear end off to elect even Pete the rat because every one of these Dems has a good shot against Trump and 4 more years of Trump isn't going to teach your enemies a lesson and will in fact obliterate the last environmental protections the loving country still has and the climate apocalypse you Bernie or Busters like to shout about as the reason that Bernie must win is loving guaranteed. Pete Buttigieg is backed by the exact kind of people who are driving Trump's environmental deregulation and the only difference is that oafs like you are too embarrassed to admit you're voting for the same platform polished over with limp platitudes designed to reassure your completely empty sense of self worth. I mean you'd be saying all this stupid poo poo about Biden too, an instance where's it's objectively laughable to cite environmental protections, so more likely something's just short-circuited in your brain. ded redd fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I was trying to think of the ultimate conspiracy theory and I think I landed on a good one. Granted, I don't even believe it, but it's fun to think about. There's no wavering base to whipped for Donny. MAGA are ride or die tangerine fascism, and they were never going to waver. That base isn't something for anyone to concern themselves with, electorally. The election will depend entirely on firing up the Democratic base, who were not fired up last time, and to a much, much lesser extent herding the moronic centrists/independent cat voters. Bernie does that, but he also is well positioned to bring out lots of people who have been sitting out electoral politics for lack of a choice or candidate. Bernie going into November is positioned to do 2008 Obama and better numbers. Impeachment is going to be a non issue on the top of the ballot. It's effects will be felt down ballot as "reasonable" Republicans are unable to decouple themselves from Donny.
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Kunabomber posted:Seriously, the emotion coming out of Iowa should be anger and resolve, not despair. A week ago I was drat about to  for Biden because I didn't think there was a way that Bernie could overcome him. Its far better to be resolved because we don't know what is going to come next. In 2 weeks we could all be lol'ing at Butt getting 10% in NH and then all Arzying about Tom Steyers epic surge in South Carolina
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Office Pig posted:Pete Buttigieg is backed by the exact kind of people who are driving Trump's environmental deregulation and the only difference is that oafs like you are too embarrassed to admit you're voting for the same platform polished over with limp platitudes designed to reassure your completely empty sense of self worth. I'm voting for Bernie because he's the President we need.
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Hey, if I write a big long effort post about what to look for in this upcoming debate, a debate guide so to speak, would anyone bother to read it?
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Feldegast42 posted:I am worried in regards to the black vote that Pete will play up his Christian credentials in order to sway him. He was able to get a lot of (admittedly white) people in Iowa because he is the only one of the group that would talk about his (supposed) faith. All of those religious elderly black voters in the Deep South are all super loving homophobic, and they aren't about to vote for a gay guy under any circumstances. And all of the younger black voters are feeling the Bern. 
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Feldegast42 posted:A week ago I was drat about to tulsmentum is at hand, abandon all hope Cpt_Obvious posted:Hey, if I write a big long effort post about what to look for in this upcoming debate, a debate guide so to speak, would anyone bother to read it? sure edit: troop https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1225396220602077184 uh oh https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1224532731775741952 #standwithtulsi https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1223769582336270337 know what, fine https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1223716010953342977  https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1223217866184388608 Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Hey, if I write a big long effort post about what to look for in this upcoming debate, a debate guide so to speak, would anyone bother to read it? I would read it and probably also share to my friends (we have debate watch parties)
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Hey, if I write a big long effort post about what to look for in this upcoming debate, a debate guide so to speak, would anyone bother to read it? Eh. Why not. 
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How are u posted:I'm voting for Bernie because he's the President we need. I'm actually only voting for Bernie because I really want to make terrible jokes about turning the map red while playing The Internationale at confused Republicans.
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Feldegast42 posted:A week ago I was drat about to Just keep the fires burning, and don't forget to  every time the DNC trips over their own dick while trying anything they can to stop Bernie.
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You said the first thing he would do is cancel student debt by executive order, but does the president actually have the power to do that?
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How are u posted:Or you could quit being a baby about it and work your rear end off to elect even Pete the rat because every one of these Dems has a good shot against Trump and 4 more years of Trump isn't going to teach your enemies a lesson and will in fact obliterate the last environmental protections the loving country still has and the climate apocalypse you Bernie or Busters like to shout about as the reason that Bernie must win is loving guaranteed.
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I think something a lot of us are forgetting is that bernie has been under attack for the past what, 4 months? His campaign should have been ended several times now. The guy had a heart attack!! He won Iowa even with the ratfucking! And hes still basically the front runner. Butt is the latest challenger, and I'm not saying to get complacent, but we can overcome this, just have to buckle down. Text banking is fun, do it
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How are u posted:Or you could quit being a baby about it and work your rear end off to elect even Pete the rat because every one of these Dems has a good shot against Trump and 4 more years of Trump isn't going to teach your enemies a lesson and will in fact obliterate the last environmental protections the loving country still has and the climate apocalypse you Bernie or Busters like to shout about as the reason that Bernie must win is loving guaranteed. to defeat trump we must elect a younger, gay trump
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Hey, if I write a big long effort post about what to look for in this upcoming debate, a debate guide so to speak, would anyone bother to read it? probably, yeah
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How are u posted:Or you could quit being a baby about it and work your rear end off to elect even Pete the rat because every one of these Dems has a good shot against Trump and 4 more years of Trump isn't going to teach your enemies a lesson and will in fact obliterate the last environmental protections the loving country still has and the climate apocalypse you Bernie or Busters like to shout about as the reason that Bernie must win is loving guaranteed. this is bait
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Not voting for DNC candidates for as long as the DNC takes its present form. Sorry not sorry. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I don't give a gently caress about the LGBTQ folks and the PoC who are being oppressed by Trump and his Republicans right now, and I don't care what happens to them in his 2nd term. I also don't give a gently caress about the environment.
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Pick posted:You said the first thing he would do is cancel student debt by executive order, but does the president actually have the power to do that? Short answer is, yes. Long answer is that after his chosen Secretary of Education/Treasury(I forget which) works out a series of mathematical equations related to budgets and debt, yes.
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Full disclosure: a non-christian president is a lifetime endgoal for me. like holy poo poo let's change it up a bit.
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Gyges posted:Short answer is, yes. Long answer is that after his chosen Secretary of Education/Treasury(I forget which) works out a series of mathematical equations related to budgets and debt, yes. But that would still only be for the direct federal loans, correct?
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It seems like you edited the second quote. Those aren't my exact words. FYI.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Full disclosure: a non-christian president is a lifetime endgoal for me. like holy poo poo let's change it up a bit. we just had obama and trump though? i agree that all else equal i'd vote for a nonchristian, it's part of why i'm a big ilhan fan despite some votequibbles and her occasional foot-in-mouth issues Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Nairbo posted:Anyone that into their faith that it will steer them towards him will be just as scared away by him being gay. It’s a double edged sword A little backstory... South Bend is, of course, a rust-belt city. Its history is closely tied with unions - UAW # 5 and 9 (I think, could have my numbers wrong) are both in South Bend, still extant. Studebaker was there. The area was Catholic as hell, and the blue-dog congresscritters that come from that area tend to be pro-life democrats. South Bend is also, in a sense, a far suburb of Chicago. The South Shore Rail Line, a light-rail commuter line, runs from South Bend to Millennium Park in Chicago, and it's 11 bucks each way. South Bend Politics produced Joe Kernan (a graduate of St. Joe High, a mayor of South Bend, and a governor of Indiana that once had dreams of the Presidency) and Joe Donnelly. And, of course, the University of Notre Dame is right next door to downtown South Bend. There's been a 'South Bend Democratic Machine' for decades. It's loosely tied to the Rahm/Obama way of thinking (as evidenced by Pete's neoliberal stances). But around the time that Pete was elected - during #Occupy - there was a bit of a revolution in that machine. Many of the up-and-comers in that Dem Machine were brilliant black locals. There was also all kinds of dirty politics at play. In many of South Bend's black churches, there are pastors that marched with MLK and presently believe homosexuality to be an affront to god. So this gay white kid coming in and becoming mayor got a lot of resistance on that point alone. Early in Pete's first term, the City Council wanted to pass a civil rights protection that includes sexual orientation as a protected status. Notre Dame worked with black churches in the West Side to get the 2nd district to elect a new council member - Henry Davis Jr (a friend of mine) - who would vote /against/ that measure (pushing out a brilliant, well-respective progressive black female academic). It took a few years for the city council to pass that ordinance change. Davis voted against. At one point the statehouse was pushing some anti-lgbt nonsense, and the city council was considering a sternly written letter to the statehouse about how much bullshit that was. The progressive activists flooded the city council meeting, and Davis - being a populist - voted for the letter, 'cause all these hip young politically engaged people were there in person. Afraid of other homophobic people accusing him of being gay (the /worst/ thing, in his eyes), he posted a story to facebook about a man loving dog - and took the time to google up an image of an actual man loving an actual dog to upload with the link. It was quite a scandal, and most people were just confused as gently caress by it, but it was basically Davis saying 'I can hold my nose when it comes to public policy not attacking gay people, but I find the act disgusting to the highest order.' Then Regina took the 2nd district and Davis is more back-room lately. (henry davis jr. is not related to and should not be confused with oliver davis, another [much better]] black city council member who is now running for county commissioner if I'm not mistaken) But, like, this is fine-grain detail and long gone history at this point, and is not meant as a defense of any particular action that Pete has taken.
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Again, without the broad social programs of a real Green New Deal any climate change plan will fail. Bloomberg and Buttigieg won't alter the course from Trump in a meaningful way when considering the scale of climate impacts. That's why they have to be defeated in the primary so we have a chance for this nation to avoid fascism.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Full disclosure: a non-christian president is a lifetime endgoal for me. like holy poo poo let's change it up a bit. We've never had a truly christian president. All 45 of them have been worshippers of Mammon
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I ask this because, for example, Sallie Mae is not a government organization, so I'm trying to figure out what the mechanism is for an executive order there.
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Pick posted:You said the first thing he would do is cancel student debt by executive order, but does the president actually have the power to do that? Dept of Education is part of the executive branch so there's an argument that yes the president could just go ahead and do that. I have no idea how it would shake out in real life but if I trust anyone to try its Bernie.
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Ok, I'll work on a debate guide with a little bit of background about Iowa just to set the tone. Note that it is going to be HEAVILY biased for Sanders, but at this point it's impossible not to be.
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Office Pig posted:That stupid loving presser with Troy Price is still going on in case anyone wants to kill time.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Dept of Education is part of the executive branch so there's an argument that yes the president could just go ahead and do that. I have no idea how it would shake out in real life but if I trust anyone to try its Bernie. Right, but see above: many student loans aren't actually held by the government. I can't see how an executive order could cancel student loans that are held by Sallie Mae, for example. I don't know the proportionality's here, but if I recall that's quite a large percentage of them.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Not voting for DNC candidates for as long as the DNC takes its present form. Sorry not sorry. So the last time I argued the opposite of this, I was reminded there was a rule against that sort of thing. I think it should apply both ways. Also, "sorry not sorry" is a little less sincere than just writing, "gently caress you."
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:What's the gist? lol
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Pick posted:You said the first thing he would do is cancel student debt by executive order, but does the president actually have the power to do that? Yes! quote:But on Tuesday, Warren announced she would use a little-known shortcut and wouldn't need Congress. As president, she says, she could cancel the debts of tens of millions of student borrowers all on her own. https://www.npr.org/2020/01/14/796329598/cancelling-student-debt-is-easier-than-it-sounds
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