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The best thing about Roche is that every other Shinra mook's reaction to Roche is "ugh, for gently caress's sake, him?"
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It's a weirdly casual attitude towards the guy that's got no friendly fire setting in his brain.
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Feb 19, 2021 23:34
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In a world where Healing Materia exists, errant motorcycle-inflicted wounds aren't that big of a deal
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Feb 19, 2021 23:40
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I don't really get the problem with Roche being a character when Don Corneo, who is basically the exact same in both original and remake, is also a thing. Roche being way out there isn't even unique to him.
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Feb 19, 2021 23:57
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Roche owns and I'm sorry if you can't enjoy him
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Feb 20, 2021 00:11
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Momomo posted:I don't really get the problem with Roche being a character when Don Corneo, who is basically the exact same in both original and remake, is also a thing. Roche being way out there isn't even unique to him. There's also Palmer, the walking fat joke, who obssesses over lard, runs a space program and proceeds to fight you with a 1950's replica ray gun, sticks his tongue out at you, and then gets hit by a truck. That's the extent of his arc. Remake Corneo gets stomach jiggle physics. The point is, there are not only characters as ridiculous as Roche, but also just plain worse. Roche is the queer icon 2020 needed, but didn't deserve
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Feb 20, 2021 00:11
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Ace Transmuter posted:There's also Palmer, the walking fat joke, who obssesses over lard, runs a space program and proceeds to fight you with a 1950's replica ray gun, sticks his tongue out at you, and then gets hit by a truck. That's the extent of his arc. Remake Corneo gets stomach jiggle physics. The point is, there are not only characters as ridiculous as Roche, but also just plain worse. None of those people embody the hated anime in their actions however, so they're fine. I'll accept a thousand genocide enthusiasts before I tolerate another loud anime with a sword!
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Feb 20, 2021 00:13
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Namnesor posted:In a world where Healing Materia exists, errant motorcycle-inflicted wounds aren't that big of a deal roche-related incidents qualify as "injury by misadventure" on shinra health plans (silver and up only) so as far as the C-suites are concerned he's a solved problem
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Feb 20, 2021 00:19
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RareAcumen posted:None of those people embody the hated anime in their actions however, so they're fine. I'll accept a thousand genocide enthusiasts before I tolerate another loud anime with a sword! The original game's immediate predecessor had routine boss fights with a loving octopus. You also could (and should) suplex a mother loving train.
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Feb 20, 2021 00:22
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The Shinra crew, minus perhaps Rufus, are all fairly drat goofy, intentionally so. They're modeled after the evil underlings of a 90s-style anime evil overlord and the game plays that up. Like Hojo is a horrible monster in every way shape and form but you also find him sunning on a beach and he eventually turns into a goofy monster you fight. Hedegger and Scarlet are evil bastards who are absolutely played for comedy. Palmer is Palmer. Reeve looks straightforward but the dude is a secret spy using a loving robot cat riding a robot moogle. They are all absurd humans which is an intentional contrast to Sephiroth just feeling weird and inhuman. That's not counting the entire rest of the cast which has an absurd number of truly ridiculous characters. Don Coreno, Bugenhagen who is literally a goofy old man riding around on a floating ball, Dio who is just a beefy shirtless dude in short shorts, the Turks who are at once murderers of all of Sector 7 and people who have goofy antics and you discover chatting about which FFVII girl they'd want to date, etc, etc. Almost every segment of the game is filled with very silly sequences but it intentionally uses those sequences to humanize the protagonists so when something hits it hits harder. The game constantly straddles the line between serious and ridiculous and that is part of what makes it work. And that is also present in the remake. Don Corneo is a goofy fat rear end in a top hat but in a heartbeat he drops that to show the ruthless human trafficker beneath. Rude is a dude who literally always has replacement sunglasses and he also is personally responsible for the destruction of Sector 7. Wedge is a goofy dude voiced by Badger from Breaking Bad who loves cats and is the butt of jokes and he absolutely parlays that into being someone you worry about dying. FFVIIR works because it remembers that most of these characters are not one or the other but both and it intentionally builds upon that. FFVII is a silly game that is okay. Silly doesn't mean it can't have meaning. Good writing can make you care as much about a goofy cartoon skeleton as you do a photorealistic sad father, and it can make death or tragedy hit harder because you're seeing someone who feels more human than a constantly dour Extremely Serious Person. The only real difference between Roche and the rest of Shinra's cast is that he is new. There is absolutely no place where a motorcycle-riding rear end in a top hat Shinra Soldier wouldn't fit in perfectly as a reoccurring goofy villains.
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Feb 20, 2021 00:26
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Oxxidation posted:roche-related incidents qualify as "injury by misadventure" on shinra health plans (silver and up only) so as far as the C-suites are concerned he's a solved problem and here I thought Shinra Middle Manager was a minor character
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Feb 20, 2021 00:30
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Namnesor posted:In a world where Healing Materia exists, errant motorcycle-inflicted wounds aren't that big of a deal It's actually kinda funny, they almost take pains to show Cloud isn't killing that many people in cutscenes. Even folks getting hit with motorcycles get up afterwards. ImpAtom posted:The Shinra crew, minus perhaps Rufus, are all fairly drat goofy, intentionally so. They're modeled after the evil underlings of a 90s-style anime evil overlord and the game plays that up. Like Hojo is a horrible monster in every way shape and form but you also find him sunning on a beach and he eventually turns into a goofy monster you fight. Hedegger and Scarlet are evil bastards who are absolutely played for comedy. Palmer is Palmer. Reeve looks straightforward but the dude is a secret spy using a loving robot cat riding a robot moogle. They are all absurd humans which is an intentional contrast to Sephiroth just feeling weird and inhuman. Yeah, it's kinda important to have a character who is both a badass and vulnerable and human. New Wedge is really well done and actually really endearing; I was very pleased with how relatively heroic he was played - and this for a guy who's fat, goofy-featured and just generally a dork. Other works would've totally just made him a loser! The Remake gives him real pathos moments! RareAcumen posted:The one thing about Roche is was he normal before becoming a SOLDIER and now he's crazy or is he like this now afterwards and a danger to everyone since he can swing motorcycles around like nunchuks? I also kinda got the impression Roche was there to help sell the idea that SOLDIERs are not actually very stable. Between their apparent propensity for dying young due to cellular degeneration, Roche's dysfunctional eccentricity, and even Cloud's stunted emotional growth - especially given the implication other SOLDIERs were conscripted youngsters - it helps add a creepy element to their whole concept which was sort of lacking in the original.
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Feb 20, 2021 01:52
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RareAcumen posted:Too much Wall Market, Roche was pointless filler, Jesse, Biggs and Wedge suck up way too much of the game's plot time, Sephiroth shouldn't have appeared for another three games, Hardedge shouldn't have been available so early and where the gently caress is Tifa's slot macine Limit Break? That is not the consensus around here. Also Wall Market is great except for that new lovely music they have for it.
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Feb 20, 2021 02:19
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Ace Transmuter posted:There's several parts that are like "She's still fighting, so we need to keep fighting too!" I don't remember them referring to her continuing to fight on post death, but a lot of how she had planned to return from the City of the Ancients once she was done and how her optimism and kindness in life continued to inspire the heroes. That doesn't mean they don't exist though, and I'm going to replay with high res textures so I guess I'll find out! Ace Transmuter posted:The game sets up all this darkness as a motivator, and of course the ending is supposed to be ambiguous. But I'm not seeing any support in the text for this misanthropic interpretation and tons of support for a hopeful future. The game is constantly bringing up that human activity can be harmful for the planet both implicitly and explicitly. The WEAPONs attack settlements because of this, the planet around Midgar is a black, lifeless plain, etc etc. This doesn't mean that humanity is irredeemable, throughout the game we see several personal redemptions and we get speeches like Cid telling our characters it's up to us to protect the planet (specifically from Sephiroth but more generally as well). The game is absolutely optimistic on the level of the individual but we are not shown that at the societal level the impetus to change will be sustained. This time, we were spared, but if nothing changes, planet will eventually get rid of the threat and continue existing without us. Which is literally climate change where the Gaia hypothesis is true. That is not grimdark (I never said it was, though), that's just...realism? That said it does include a hopeful option - you can always interpret the greening of Midgar as a symbol of humanity's growth and learning to live more harmoniously. And if you believe that is possible the game is calling you to apply that to where we are now. Face the uncertainty of global warming and try to make things better.
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Feb 20, 2021 02:24
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Elephant Ambush posted:no it isn't They're talking about the Cait Sith cameo, not exactly the same since instead of some one liner he falls to his knees in despair, but it's got the same energy.
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Feb 20, 2021 03:17
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Electric Phantasm posted:They're talking about the Cait Sith cameo, not exactly the same since instead of some one liner he falls to his knees in despair, but it's got the same energy. No don't
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Feb 20, 2021 03:27
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ImpAtom posted:The Shinra crew, minus perhaps Rufus, are all fairly drat goofy, intentionally so. They're modeled after the evil underlings of a 90s-style anime evil overlord and the game plays that up. Like Hojo is a horrible monster in every way shape and form but you also find him sunning on a beach and he eventually turns into a goofy monster you fight. Hedegger and Scarlet are evil bastards who are absolutely played for comedy. Palmer is Palmer. Reeve looks straightforward but the dude is a secret spy using a loving robot cat riding a robot moogle. They are all absurd humans which is an intentional contrast to Sephiroth just feeling weird and inhuman. President Shinra is voiced by James Horan using his Skullface performance and that's inherently hilarious.
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Feb 20, 2021 03:56
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Over-the-top motorcycle man is the silliest boss fight in a game where you fight a flying sentient house that has all house-puns for attacks and shoots chair-missiles at you and launches exploding stuffed cats while being narrated by a pair of WWE commentators. "Your friend fought a house? .... a house."
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Feb 20, 2021 04:17
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I hope the other parts include MORE weirdo SOLDIERs to bug Cloud and the gang.
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Feb 20, 2021 04:36
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Waffleman_ posted:I hope the other parts include MORE weirdo SOLDIERs to bug Cloud and the gang. I'm curious to see what else they expand into boss fights. Midgar is honestly pretty frontloaded with bosses even discounting the minor enemies they gave boss status there are as many boss fights in Midgar as there are up until the Temple of the Ancients afterwards. I assume Midgar Zolem will probably be upped to either boss or optional boss status but not sure what other iconic stuff they can throw in.
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Feb 20, 2021 05:08
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Triceratops tank at the now-mandatory Gongaga reactor.
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Feb 20, 2021 05:25
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Funky Valentine posted:President Shinra is voiced by James Horan using his Skullface performance and that's inherently hilarious. Wait he was voice by who? WHOOOOOO!?
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Feb 20, 2021 05:36
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Tonal shifts are an important part of any good narrative. Even Shakespearean tragedies have comedic breaks.
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Feb 20, 2021 05:50
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Schwartzcough posted:Triceratops tank at the now-mandatory Gongaga reactor. Tankceratops.
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Feb 20, 2021 05:57
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ImpAtom posted:I'm curious to see what else they expand into boss fights. Midgar is honestly pretty frontloaded with bosses even discounting the minor enemies they gave boss status there are as many boss fights in Midgar as there are up until the Temple of the Ancients afterwards. Cloud and friends are riding Chocobos toward the cave when they see the Midgar Zolom chasing after them, with Roche riding on top of its head.
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Feb 20, 2021 18:03
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amigolupus posted:Cloud and friends are riding Chocobos toward the cave when they see the Midgar Zolom chasing after them, with Roche riding on top of its head. "A boss battle against Roche on top of Midgar Zolom" would be a pretty fuckin' amazing way to start the game.
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Feb 20, 2021 18:05
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amigolupus posted:Cloud and friends are riding Chocobos toward the cave when they see the Midgar Zolom chasing after them, with Roche riding on top of its head. I just realized, is Red XIII gonna just be running along side everyone else or are they gonna animate him trying to ride a Chocobo?
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Feb 20, 2021 18:16
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My favourite thing about Roche is that he is so fight-horny that he opens by hucking an Elixir at you just to make sure that he gets the best fight possible out of you.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:40
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SirSamVimes posted:My favourite thing about Roche is that he is so fight-horny that he opens by hucking an Elixir at you just to make sure that he gets the best fight possible out of you.  on a motorcycle.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:52
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ImpAtom posted:"A boss battle against Roche on top of Midgar Zolom" would be a pretty fuckin' amazing way to start the game. A Final Fantasy orchestrated version of "Baba O'Riley" starts playing as the camera zooms in on Cloud's horrified face while an old man starts narrating the story so far
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Feb 21, 2021 10:06
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All this talk about Midgar Zolom” makes me think a Gunnm crossover with dueling evil disc cities is in the works.
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Feb 21, 2021 13:14
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I kind of want to kill myself everytime I hear the phrase dilly dally shilly shally.
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Feb 21, 2021 19:15
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I had to google where that even came from, because my brain has erased it from my memories; I found a 30 second video and didn't make it to the 10 second mark.
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Feb 21, 2021 19:25
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Zuru zuru zuru zuru
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Feb 21, 2021 19:26
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exquisite tea posted:The absence of Iscar Matthias alone is complete tonal whiplash in every scene. FTFY
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Feb 21, 2021 23:17
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Sakurazuka posted:Zuru zuru zuru zuru As a teen I ONLY watched Advent Children on Japanese with subs. So thank you for bringing these memories back Also how can anyone hate Dilly dally shilly shally? Next you'll be telling me you don't like "let's mosey"
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Feb 22, 2021 02:01
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Moola posted:As a teen I ONLY watched Advent Children on Japanese with subs. So thank you for bringing these memories back Let's mosey is great. Nonsense baby words are not.
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Feb 22, 2021 03:04
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All words were baby words until someone had to be a try hard about it.
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Arkage posted:Let's mosey is great. Nonsense baby words are not. I mean FF7:AC did not invent those things. I agree it was a dumb set of choices but it's actual phrases.
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