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It would be interesting to see a graph showing when tropes like "yandere" and "school show about nothing" were first coined and how quickly imitators were spawned.
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Rand Brittain posted:It would be interesting to see a graph showing when tropes like "yandere" and "school show about nothing" were first coined and how quickly imitators were spawned. All I know is that every "space cadet" slice of life character is but a pale imitation of Osaka from Azumanga Daioh. Please don't take that seriously I don't actually care that much And that while I haven't watched a single episode of the show this thread is supposed to be about, that it is terrible.
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Jun 29, 2014 06:11
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Namtab posted:Yeah what Mahouka needs is development of the incest subplot Speaking personally, I would far rather watch a show with actual incest (assuming it wasn't just treated as a titillating fetish) than one with this kind of insipid sibling-crush bollocks. Something in which the problems with that kind of relationship were actually addressed, whether it was portrayed ultimately as good or bad, would still at least be more interesting.
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Jun 29, 2014 23:19
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The_White_Crane posted:Speaking personally, I would far rather watch a show with actual incest (assuming it wasn't just treated as a titillating fetish) than one with this kind of insipid sibling-crush bollocks. I think Orimo was like that, but I didn't get far into it. Rand Brittain posted:It would be interesting to see a graph showing when tropes like "yandere" and "school show about nothing" were first coined and how quickly imitators were spawned. Yukako from JJBA is totally the original yandere. Probably.
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Jun 29, 2014 23:29
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I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that the anime based on a light novel called My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute isn't gonna address incest in a non-otaku manner. Heck, I'd even bet that if we were to get an anime that does a Lolita-esque treatment of incest, it's not gonna be written by a light novel author, that's for sure.
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Jun 29, 2014 23:42
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This thread is 30 pages long... should I watch the show?
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Jun 29, 2014 23:50
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:This thread is 30 pages long... should I watch the show? God, no.
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Jun 29, 2014 23:52
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Ok. I just thought Mahouka turned out to be a good show despite the initial expectations, when I saw how big the thread has grown.
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Jun 29, 2014 23:56
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Srice posted:I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that the anime based on a light novel called My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute isn't gonna address incest in a non-otaku manner. Cavia dealt with the incest topic in a pretty realistic matter. With the brother finding out and not being able to look at the sister in the eyes anymore, and the sister commiting suicide 
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Jun 30, 2014 00:01
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Ok. I just thought Mahouka turned out to be a good show despite the initial expectations, when I saw how big the thread has grown. If you bothered to read literally any five sequential posts in this thread you'd have realized that wasn't the case.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:01
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:This thread is 30 pages long... should I watch the show? Serious Frolicking posted:God, no. But by all means, read the entirety of thread if you must. In particular, look for WickedHate's posts as she tries to defend the show despite everyone else decrying that the show is dull, poorly written, Japanese nationalist rubbish. Also, look for Namtab's excerpts of the light novel showing just how much the novel is dull, poorly written, and chock full of blatant Japaneses nationalism with not a shred of tact in regards to past and current events in East Asia.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:02
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Edward IV posted:But by all means, read the entirety of thread if you must. In particular, look for WickedHate's posts as she tries to defend the show despite everyone else decrying that the show is dull, poorly written, Japanese nationalist rubbish. Also, look for Namtab's excerpts of the light novel showing just how much the novel is dull, poorly written, and chock full of blatant Japaneses nationalism with not a shred of tact in regards to past and current events in East Asia. Sounds fun. Will do that in the train tomorrow.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:04
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Srice posted:I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that the anime based on a light novel called My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute isn't gonna address incest in a non-otaku manner. Their only criteria was "Something in which the problems with that kind of relationship were actually addressed, whether it was portrayed ultimately as good or bad". Lucy Heartfilia posted:Ok. I just thought Mahouka turned out to be a good show despite the initial expectations, when I saw how big the thread has grown. Starts strong, gets really bad.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:14
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WickedHate posted:Starts strong, gets really bad. Starts poo poo, gets shittier
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Jun 30, 2014 00:27
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Sure, I'll bite. I haven't seen the show (for a good reason) and have only heard terrible things about that ending. How does Oreimo address the problems outside of "boo hoo we're related so society is against us shagging each other"?
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Jun 30, 2014 00:29
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^^^^^^ e: It was portrayed in a completely unrealistic manner. It does end up alienating the siblings from a few of their friends, but it was still portrayed with a really gross, fetish-y appeal. Listen: Oreimo was loving garbage, this series is loving garbage and the only thing that keeps me coming back to this thread is WickedHate's sometimes hilarious posts and Namtab's schadenfreude-tastic excerpts from novels I will never ever read. Cao Ni Ma posted:Cavia dealt with the incest topic in a pretty realistic matter. With the brother finding out and not being able to look at the sister in the eyes anymore, and the sister commiting suicide Can you please explain more about this Cavia thing? The only things related of entertainment that showed up with said name was a defunct video game company and an Argentinian illustrator. Wark Say fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 00:29
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Wark Say posted:^^^^^^ It is the video game company.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:34
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Wark Say posted:^^^^^^ The video game company. They made Drakengard, which is a pretty messed up game (and also the game they were referring to), and Nier, which rules.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:36
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The only anime dealing with incest somewhat serious-ish I can remember is this one anime called Angel Sanctuary I watched as a young teen once. As far as I remember the protagonist was basically hating himself for crushing on his sister, and when his crush went public due to whatever circumstances friends, family and society as a whole ditch him. But then that plot gets pretty quickly sidelined for one about angels and demons at war with each other and the world ending so it's not exactly a strong contender for a realistic portrayal to begin with.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:42
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Sweet. Guess I have some weird, messed-up games to go hunting, then!
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Jun 30, 2014 00:44
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Oh right I should also have mentioned that Drakengard is also super terrible to play. There's an LP on the archive that I'd read instead.
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Wark Say posted:Sweet. Guess I have some weird, messed-up games to go hunting, then! I've heard of Drakengard before and I always confuse it with the completely different Drakkhen. I have a PS2(somewhere) so maybe I'll try it sometime. Edit: Cake Attack posted:Oh right I should also have mentioned that Drakengard is also super terrible to play. There's an LP on the archive that I'd read instead. Oh, well, then that's probably a better idea.
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I'd usually say to play the game over reading an LP but Drakengard is really really bad to play so just peep the LP instead. (iirc one of the ending requires you to grind all the weapons to max level, the gameplay is godawful and slow)
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Wark Say posted:Sweet. Guess I have some weird, messed-up games to go hunting, then! Don't. Read TheDarkId's LP of it. Drakengard was interesting, but it plays so badly that it deserved to be forgotten. The_White_Crane posted:Speaking personally, I would far rather watch a show with actual incest (assuming it wasn't just treated as a titillating fetish) than one with this kind of insipid sibling-crush bollocks. I agree completely. Koi Kaze comes to mind, with both the brother and sister being shown as psychologically broken people. Even though the two of them decided to continue their relationship, it was portrayed as a dubiously happy ending (particularly since this came after they talked about committing suicide together). If Mahouka actually explored this idea, that Miyuki was an obsessive person who is completely co-dependent on Tatsuya, it would be a better show and I would gladly watch it (Sounds pretty Eva now that I put it that way). But of course that would inject realism into the fanservice and we can't have that! EDIT: Hell, another idea! Tatsuya brought Miyuki back from the dead, right? I'm not spoiling this because nobody cares, it's in the show's OP and come on it's loving Mahouka. So go full Lovecraft with the concept! Make it so that Tats brought her back wrong; that when he did the ritual he wanted his perfect mage sister who loved him dearly to be brought back, and instead got this obsessed, possibly false, mockery of a human being. However, since she is basically exactly like his sister, and he has obligations to the Yotsuba clan, he puts on a poker face and carries on. He also does this because internally he is wracked by guilt and doubt. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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SSNeoman posted:If Mahouka actually explored this idea, that Miyuki was an obsessive person who is completely co-dependent on Tatsuya, it would be a better show and I would gladly watch it (Sounds pretty Eva now that I put it that way). That's what I've been saying.  (Along with the show itself not reinforcing Miyuki's view of Tatsuya being perfect and agreeing with her)
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Cake Attack posted:Oh right I should also have mentioned that Drakengard is also super terrible to play. There's an LP on the archive that I'd read instead. Okay, if the story's interesting, I'll read the LP instead. Project x Zone has already burned me out on wasting time and money on crappy games. Though that game did give me a cool and sorta  story to tell. Feel free to skip it if you've read this one already, since I think I posted this on a Season thread before.On July 2013, I met Toshiyuki Morikawa (Tekkaman, Eneru, Kyosuke Nanbu, Panda Mama! among many MANY others) in a recording session for a couple of drama CD's and advertisements. While he had to go and talk with the people from the studio and his representing agency (though he more or less basically represents himself nowadays). When he came back, he told me how we had like an hour to muck about while other VA's showed up. We started to talk about silly nonsense, things we like a bunch (he's super into sports, especially baseball). After like 30 minutes, we talked about things we sorta regretted participating in.He told me about really getting bored while voicing Dante in the Devil May Cry Anime. He then took it back because, eventually, this allowed him to hang out with and "mercilessly tease" Nobuyuki Hiyama for like 3 days in a row while they were doing the voice work for PxZ, which was pretty okay with him due to the fact that he had not seen the man in a good while and kinda missed the King of Braves. He then told me how it was kinda nostalgic that he's been friends with Hiyama for a quarter century. He also told me how Yukari Tamura was treating him like an older brother, which kinda made him feel slightly self-conscious because then Hiyama started busting his chops about it. Additionally, and in retrospect, I think said recording session was also the first time I heard his "Diavolo" voice, because holy crap did I get a mayor case of the goosebumps when he started doing that voice as a sort of warm-up. WickedHate posted:That's what I've been saying. I reiterate it: Please never stop posting. e: Nothing wrong. I find your posting very funny. The smilie sort of fueled most of that. vvvvv Wark Say fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Wark Say posted:I reiterate it: Please never stop posting. I don't get what's disagreeable about that. I was agreeing with someone and saying the show would also be better if the show didn't present Tatsuya as perfect.
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SSNeoman posted:EDIT: Hell, another idea! Tatsuya brought Miyuki back from the dead, right? I'm not spoiling this because nobody cares, it's in the show's OP and come on it's loving Mahouka. I realized that there's a very rigid, tiered pyramid for how conflict resolves in this series. No one wins against characters of a higher tier, and their defeats are universally total and crushing. ~*Onii-sama*~ stands at the apex, emerging victorious from every struggle with a bare minimum of effort. Below him is First High. Below them are the high schools who like First High, then the High Schools who dislike them. Then the Japanese muggles--you know the people who supposedly outnumber the mages 100,000 to one yet never appear. Much, much further down, you have the entire rest of the world. Since some of y'all have read ahead, are there ever conflicts this theory fails to describe? Like his aunt! Did he kill her yet? Was it even hard?
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His aunt has barely appeared or had much to do with anything. There are 13 volumes. One is sidestories, one is flashbacks. One is the standalone story where a FILTHY WHORE ACTRESS is the closest thing to a villain. I'm pretty sure that the latest book is also standalone, but it hasn't been fully translated yet. The other 9 books cover 4 story arcs, in which the aunt and the rest of her murderous clan are rarely even mentioned. The scary part is, this entire season seems to be on track to cover the first 4 books. They could (and likely will) pump out a second season immediately.
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Is it ever mentioned if mages are somehow poison-proof? Because that seems like it would probably be a really effective weapon against these folks that can easily win against bullets and bombs. Guns/bombs < Mages < Tatsuya < Biological/chemical warfare
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Well, chemical weapons were never really all that good at killing people. They certainly can kill people with enough exposure, but chemical weapons were always primarily meant to terrorize. Medical science is absurdly advanced in this setting even discounting magic, so biological weapons likely wouldn't be too effective either. Nope, the best way to kill Tatsuya would probably be by completely destroying his body all at once. The american girl probably could have done so, but she wasn't aware that he could regenerate and now she is both gone and madly in love with Woody, The Lumber Who Walks Like A Man. Of course, this assumes that Satou is any more knowledgeable about weapons and biology than he is about teenagers, romance, siblings, politics, diplomacy, japan, every other country, sports, betting, military life, history, wealth, influence and butlers, to name a few examples. gimme the GOD DAMN candy fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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WickedHate posted:No, yeah, I know it's a "thing" in anime. I could have sworn Oreimo was more recent though, and I didn't know SAO had it. SAO is prettymuch the proto-this. Author masturbatory god-man main character, incest, etc.
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Ytlaya posted:Is it ever mentioned if mages are somehow poison-proof? Because that seems like it would probably be a really effective weapon against these folks that can easily win against bullets and bombs. How to kill a mage? Make robots for it. Neeksy posted:SAO is prettymuch the proto-this. Author masturbatory god-man main character, incest, etc. SAO also had a really gross and inaccurate porn scene in the LN that got edited out when it became popular.
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Neeksy posted:SAO is prettymuch the proto-this. Author masturbatory god-man main character, incest, etc. And yet Kirito actually suffers if I remember the spoilers rightly. He can't save his original crew, he suffers gender dysphoria in the FPS game, and by the later novels he's been in and out of virtual worlds so much his sense of reality is breaking and he's the one that has to be saved by the friends he's made so far. Tatsuya will feel kind of miffed by something that happens at worst/best.
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WickedHate posted:SAO also had a really gross and inaccurate porn scene in the LN that got edited out when it became popular.
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Rangpur posted:Gross pretty much goes without saying, but the "inaccurate" part sounds hilarious assuming you meant in a 'this author has no idea how sex actually works,' sense. I do, and it's pretty funny in a creepy, "I can't believe the author wrote this" way.
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It's hilariously awful and I highly (don't) encourage people to read up on it. Glop.
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Traveller posted:And yet Kirito actually suffers if I remember the spoilers rightly. He can't save his original crew, he suffers gender dysphoria in the FPS game, and by the later novels he's been in and out of virtual worlds so much his sense of reality is breaking and he's the one that has to be saved by the friends he's made so far. Let's also not forget the brain damage. 
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Rangpur posted:Like his aunt! Did he kill her yet? Was it even hard? At the end of the flashback book his aunt kinda attacks him, it is implied that he gets shredded, heals, then dispels her magic. The aunt then goes on to say to her butler that they're totes gonna make miyuki the heir to the yotsubas cause it's the only way to prevent tatsuya deciding to murder them all and miyuki going along with it.
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Not much of note happened during this episode. "I was sworn to secrecy by a superior officer, which means I am legally required to keep that secret. Telling a random high school student is likely a criminal offense. However, I want to show off how knowledgeable I am." "I can't believe that Tatsuya is really Taurus Silver, even though he kept saying "Who has two thumbs and is secretly the brilliant engineer Silver? This guy!" completely unprompted every day during lunch." "Stop being a child with your perfectly legitimate complaints. Yes, psychological trauma can make mages permanently unable to use magic. Yes, teenage magicians are more at risk than adults. Yes, there are a great many potential substitutes we could use without demonstrating to half of the school that their confidence in their abilities is completely unwarranted. No, there is nothing at stake in this contest worth demoralizing the student body, perhaps permanently. But you are the main character so we are just gonna put all of that aside so you can be the center of attention like usual." All Tatsuya has to do to keep a low profile is to stop loving showing off at every opportunity. I loathe braggarts.
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