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GeneralYeti posted:So everyone's focusing on the method of the murder. What about the motive? What's the 'hidden link' that could cause a person to kill? Most of the motive is locked up in the game so we aren't going to have anything useful to work on until next update. The folder is more than likely going to tie in but once again, we have no idea what's in it. Until we have some clues in those directions all we can do is wildly speculate. I think I said this before but if not, this mystery is more about the motive than who did it. Blackmail would be my go to wild guess since we're dealing with a photographer and a mystery folder.
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It occurs to me to wonder: if Peko was the murderer, and she was wet when she arrived at the diner because she washed off after the crime, does this actually make sense? Now bear in mind I'd operating on the assumption that the killer already fled the scene by the time Hinata and Souda got to the diner. This was at 3:00. For them to have escaped any later than that would require them to be a ninja or to somehow be able to divine from the tunnel that 'Everyone in the diner is distracted by Nanami's boobolas, time to go'. So the killer washed off right after the killing, presumably a few minutes before 3:00, dumped the empty water bottles into the trash, and booked it somehow (not going into that). If it was Peko, she then loiters around someplace where no one else would see her for half an hour or so, then heads into the diner, arriving after Nanami and Akane. Since it was 3:30 before people started showing up, and Peko came near the tail end of the group, it was probably 3:40-45ish. She's still soaking wet. Wait- what? 45 minutes in the sun should be more than adequate to dry off someone wearing a swimsuit on a tropical island. Did she go into the water from some other location to get wet again? Why would she do that? To lend credence to her 'I went looking for the other islands' story? And why such an unbelievable story? She should have been able to show up bone dry and nobody would suspect a thing, so why show up wet after leaving a bunch of incriminating water bottles at the crime scene? She could have simply returned to her cabin and dried off. This doesn't smell right. Unless we get some evidence that Peko had some method to leave the beach house after 3:00 without being noticed, I can't properly suspect her. Edit: drat. Well, I don't even remember what was in my own post that was deleted, hah. Still a sorry business. Think I'll hang back till a few more updates go by just to be on the safe side. Knicknevin fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Jul 3, 2013 21:01
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So, it's come to my attention someone's been reading ahead and disguising spoilers as speculation, especially with the most recent case. I went ahead and edited out a bunch of random posts, including the offending ones and if yours got edited out, please feel free to repost theories, etc. I confirmed with some people who've completed the game that there was some information people couldn't have known about. I'm sure you can dig up who posted what, and what was real if you so desire, but if you want to stay unspoiled, this is the best solution I could come up with. Also, I don't understand for a drat second the point of this. No one is going to respect you or think you're smart if you pretend to guess some of this. You're only being a jerk to people who want to see a good translation Let's Play of it. Seriously, what points were you hoping to win here? As much drama as this thread causes, it's kind of a neat story so gently caress you for spoiling Chapter 2 for me, and I hope at least some of you are still in the dark about some of it. Thanks, The Mgmt I'll reopen later. slowbeef fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jul 3, 2013 |
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Jul 3, 2013 21:12
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Okay, I'm reopening the thread. Thanks to people who told me what was spoiling what, etc., but I did try and edit things out that had nothing to do with anything, and even not edit a couple things that do. If you want to talk about what was spoiled, we can do that after Chapter 2, but please try to enjoy your murder mystery normally and not mention any of this business! slowbeef fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Jul 5, 2013 02:28
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It kinda struck me how Monobear specifically mentioned how even accidents would be considered murder, here... it makes me wonder if someone did kill her by accident, somehow - the only idea I have as to how that could've happened is kind of absurd, admittedly - and then Nagito smeared the baseball bat in blood in a desperate bid to emulate Togami. (Also to make the students think harder...? I don't know, I can't help but think that if anything particularly shady is going on, he's probably wrapped up in it.) The only idea that springs to mind as to how you could accidentally kill someone like this was if Saionji drank way too much water, and left a bunch of bottles laying around, which Koizumi then slipped on and smacked her head.  Though, the more I think about that, the less sense it makes, as the game did go out of its way to mention that the water was used, and sweet fizzy drinks were left, whereas I think Saionji would've probably gone for drinks in the opposite order. Still, I can't help but think that that bat is going to turn out to be a red herring somehow, even if the rest of my theory is a bit off - the most obvious use for taking a load of water, and ignoring all the fizzy drinks, would be to clean up, and leaving the murder weapon just laying around still covered in blood would probably be a bit silly. Still, I have no idea, I can't wait to see where this goes. E. One other thing - while Hinata was fairly quick to dismiss the window because "You'd need an accomplice", if Nagito was free at the time of the murder, he's already shown he's quite happy to be an accomplice to murder, so it's probably not entirely out there that that was what happened. 100percentjesusfree fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Jul 5, 2013 03:29
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100percentjesusfree posted:
However things turn out my money is on the doorknob being what actually killed her. Anyway, I'll be quiet for a while now.
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Just a heads up, at this point I would advise against looking at anything vaguely DR-related on Youtube, as there is now a SDR2 execution video pretty much at the top of any "most relevant" search and a passing glance at the thumbnail was all it took to completely spoil one of the executions for me. So if you were planning to look on Youtube for anything relating to the anime or whatever else, I would strongly caution against it. In fact, you should probably just never type the words "Dangan Ronpa" outside of this thread from now on.  I'm gonna stay out of speculation entirely until said execution comes to pass. I feel like it's gonna have too much influence on anything I come up with.
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Jul 5, 2013 03:39
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Akane is probably in the clear now, at least if we assume the killer used the water bottles to wash off the blood. She showed up covered in blood thanks to Nidai, so that means she probably didn't wash off before.
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Armanky posted:Just a heads up, at this point I would advise against looking at anything vaguely DR-related on Youtube, as there is now a SDR2 execution video pretty much at the top of any "most relevant" search and a passing glance at the thumbnail was all it took to completely spoil one of the executions for me. So if you were planning to look on Youtube for anything relating to the anime or whatever else, I would strongly caution against it. In fact, you should probably just never type the words "Dangan Ronpa" outside of this thread from now on. How many loving times do people have to be told this? If you don't want to be spoiled, don't search for Dangan Ronpa anywhere. We've had dozens of people make this exact same post and yet people still keep doing it.
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LordNagash posted:How many loving times do people have to be told this? If you don't want to be spoiled, don't search for Dangan Ronpa anywhere. We've had dozens of people make this exact same post and yet people still keep doing it. It's a good reminder since the anime has started airing and people will probably try looking for it.
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Jul 5, 2013 03:46
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I like how at this point the reaction to Komaeda is the same reaction people have to a horror movie villain. Either hideous disgust, severe annoyance, or "oh god how the gently caress did you get here". And they start referring to him dramatically as "He" or "that guy" instead of his proper name. Seriously I don't know how he could have gotten out unless either A- he convinced Monomi to do it (which is most likely but I want to doubt that) or B- his Super High School Level Good Luck got the rope caught on something while he was turning in his sleep or some poo poo and then just managed to get loose from there. Considering how simplistic his ideas are once you figure out how he sets poo poo up, it's hard to believe he has a talent aside from being a creepy weirdo.
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Even better, we currently have some spoiler ads. I think only for DR1 though? Yes, people pay money just to spoil others apparently.
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LordNagash posted:How many loving times do people have to be told this? If you don't want to be spoiled, don't search for Dangan Ronpa anywhere. We've had dozens of people make this exact same post and yet people still keep doing it. My apologies, I realize this isn't the first time it's been brought up, but like whitehelm said, people are probably gonna be inclined to look at anime stuff now that it's out. In my case, I just did a search for "dangan ronpa opening" and the offending video was right there in plain sight. I won't drag this out any further anyway.
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Yeah, searching for DR and expecting not to get spoiled is like searching pussy on Google and not expecting pornography. Don't do it. Not on pixiv, not on tumblr, not on YouTube, not with Google, not anywhere.
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FrickenMoron posted:Even better, we currently have some spoiler ads. I think only for DR1 though? Yes, people pay money just to spoil others apparently. Haha what? What's the point of that, the first LP is already over. Edit: Oh I've seen one now, they link to the anime thread, so I guess that explains it - LP readers aren't the intended target. Also in regards to accidental spoilers, I'll just quote myself from a while back: Regy Rusty posted:To be safe, just never type the words D*ng*n R*np* anywhere ever. Regy Rusty fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Jul 5, 2013 03:53
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Regy Rusty posted:Haha what? What's the point of that, the first LP is already over. There are probably people who haven't finished reading it yet and the anime just premiered today too, so people who were looking to experience the story through that aren't safe yet either.
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To get things back on track...Narsham posted:As has been mentioned, the real puzzle here involves explaining how three people left the house: the killer and the first two discoverers of the body. Only one left footprints. The killer's exit is actually the easiest to account for, as it appears likely that the body was moved after the murder. That means the door wasn't blocked until it was moved and someone could leave through it. It seems possible that the last student to leave moved the body and then left the footprints, but it's not yet clear why someone would do that. Yeah, I agree that determining how the killer left the beach house is going to be important. Before Souda arrived in the house and the murder announcement was triggered, there had to be at least two or three people in there besides the victim. It all depends on whether or not the killer counts toward the murder announcement, or if the announcement happens when three people besides the murderer find the body. There's only one set of footprints going out of the house, so that means one person left through the beach-side door. That leaves one or two other people, who probably went out the window in the shower room. They wouldn't have gone through all that trouble to mention the shower window if it wasn't important, right? Besides, the body was blocking the tunnel-side door, so it's unlikely the killer made their egress through there. If there was an accomplice to the crime, they could have helped the killer out the window, after which the killer could have pulled them up and out (or the accomplice was the person who went out the beach-side door). If the killer managed to get to the window themselves, it's unclear how they could have done it.
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FrickenMoron posted:Even better, we currently have some spoiler ads. I think only for DR1 though? Yes, people pay money just to spoil others apparently. I recall some Game of Thrones TV-onlies getting user titles to do with the "Red Wedding" shortly before it aired, and there's surely other precedent.
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Now I'm really starting to think this is Asahina from DR1. If you can remember, in DR1, Genocider would call her a dirty girl & talk about her large breasts & whatnot, & it would make Asahina extremely uncomfortable. More so than what is normal. They never really followed up on that, so I feel this is her, & what she said about her stepmom's boyfriend has something to do with her getting freaked out by Genocider's taunts.
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Oh, it's not a trainer. It’s just that when my stepmom's boyfriend gets drunk, he gives me full-body massages.
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eifie posted:Now I'm really starting to think this is Asahina from DR1. If you can remember, in DR1, Genocider would call her a dirty girl & talk about her large breasts & whatnot, & it would make Asahina extremely uncomfortable. More so than what is normal. They never really followed up on that, so I feel this is her, & what she said about her stepmom's boyfriend has something to do with her getting freaked out by Genocider's taunts. I really doubt this. Unless someone among the students is in a disguise waiting to pull it off and expose some secret or identity, or one of the Mono Siblings is revealed to be controlled by a returning DR character, none of the DR2 cast apart from Togami are likely returners from DR1. Because, apart from having that plot twist for the sake of the twist, what point is there? That the students are all brainwashed into thinking they have entirely different personas and skills and histories? Just like the VR theory, this would undermine the whole drat plot. If you're brainwashed into being your current identity and behave accordingly, none of the actions you take could be directly your fault; Monobear or whomever could just as easily programmed a "Kill somebody" protocol into a random student, which would render his entire "Despair is stronger than Hope" message an utter lie. It's not true if you brainwash kids into killing each other.
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eifie posted:Now I'm really starting to think this is Asahina from DR1. If you can remember, in DR1, Genocider would call her a dirty girl & talk about her large breasts & whatnot, & it would make Asahina extremely uncomfortable. More so than what is normal. They never really followed up on that, so I feel this is her, & what she said about her stepmom's boyfriend has something to do with her getting freaked out by Genocider's taunts. Edit: And really if some crazy girl was rambling about how big your chest was, wouldn't you feel a little uncomfortable by that too?
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lotus circle posted:And really if some crazy girl was rambling about how big your chest was, wouldn't you feel a little uncomfortable by that too? Doubly so if they are a fujoshi serial killer.
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MadRhetoric posted:Yeah, searching for DR and expecting not to get spoiled is like searching pussy on Google and not expecting pornography. 
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MadRhetoric posted:Yeah, searching for DR and expecting not to get spoiled is like searching pussy on Google and not expecting pornography. Just being on youtube can get you spoilers. If you watch the DR videos, youtube remembers that you watched them and tries to recommend similar videos on the sidebar. I'm lucky I haven't seen any spoilers in video titles, but I feel like there's a decent chance it could happen.
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Upuu Tube is the best part of this. You are a good person.
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LordNagash posted:How many loving times do people have to be told this? If you don't want to be spoiled, don't search for Dangan Ronpa anywhere. We've had dozens of people make this exact same post and yet people still keep doing it. Also don't tell your friends you're reading this murder mystery. 'Cause you might just find out one of your friends is a royal prick and links you to one of the endgame videos. 
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Eventually you will slip up and make one of these that is not pure gold. And then! Then you will truly look foolish, good sir. Until then keep it up though these are pret-ty amazing.
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MadRhetoric posted:Yeah, searching for DR and expecting not to get spoiled is like searching pussy on Google and not expecting pornography. You should not search it here or there. You should not search it anywhere. You should not search them in a house. You should not search them with your mouse. Yeah, I'll see myself out now.
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What was the name of these things? I thought I heard someone refer to it as Sin-something or other. And I thought not looking up things you don't wanna get spoiled on was just how you stayed hyped. Is not looking for things that most of the internet is going crazy about just weird thinking on my part? 
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I'm pretty sure that the footprints leading out of the house are saionji's. As for the announcement I thought that three people had to find the body consecutively and that they didn't have to all be there at the same time.
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RareAcumen posted:What was the name of these things? I thought I heard someone refer to it as Sin-something or other. He's editing strips of an old, old webcomic called Sinfest.
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Vateke posted:Just being on youtube can get you spoilers. If you watch the DR videos, youtube remembers that you watched them and tries to recommend similar videos on the sidebar. I'm lucky I haven't seen any spoilers in video titles, but I feel like there's a decent chance it could happen. That's also why I never put any DR-related keywords in the titles of this LP's videos. So, unless Youtube starts recommending videos based on visual content, you should be fine.
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If you absolutely have to watch DR videos on Youtube (hint: you don't) at least pause and wipe your watch history.
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I'm sorta surprised people still search DR stuff while following this lp. I recall the last thread having quite a few people warn about doing so for exactly this reason.
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I'm amused at all this "Something Awful is the only safe place to read Dangan Ronpa™" talk, while there are currently two banner ads that spoil DR1. On an unrelated note, more pictures for sad students. 
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Seshoho Cian posted:I'm amused at all this "Something Awful is the only safe place to read Dangan Ronpa™" talk, while there are currently two banner ads that spoil DR1. Also keep it up. EDIT: Also might I suggest "pictures for dead students"? Zereth fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Professional Razer posted:I recall some Game of Thrones TV-onlies getting user titles to do with the "Red Wedding" shortly before it aired, and there's surely other precedent. There was one for Mass Effect 3 and I think the title of FYAD was Snape Kills Dumbledore for a while. This is the latest in a grand tradition, oh the glory 
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Speakng of the Dangan Ronpa anime...filez (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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orenronen posted:That's also why I never put any DR-related keywords in the titles of this LP's videos. So, unless Youtube starts recommending videos based on visual content, you should be fine. I dunno if this is true but I believe Youtube also uses filenames of uploaded videos to search for suggestions, so make sure that can't be traced back to DR either.
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