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Wouldn't be Voyager if they'd given enough of a poo poo to have even a single episode of denouement.
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When I play STO I either use season 3-7 TNG uniforms or First Contact uniforms, as the Lord intended.
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Oct 14, 2020 04:41
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Grand Fromage posted:Wouldn't be Voyager if they'd given enough of a poo poo to have even a single episode of denouement. Commander Fromage, you have anticipated my denouement. However, we don't give a poo poo. I will continue [to disappoint you]
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Oct 14, 2020 04:42
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Timby posted:They had everyone except Walter Koenig, as I recall. But, yeah, there's a reason pretty much every guest alien of the week sounds like a certain Canadian character actor. IIRC they fought with production to get most of the crew but they wouldn't pay for everyone, Koenig got to write an episode as a consolation prize. They did get Mark Leonard and the Harry Mudd guy back though. They used to run reruns on Nickelodeon which is where I first saw them as a kid
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Oct 14, 2020 04:49
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Tars Tarkas posted:IIRC they fought with production to get most of the crew but they wouldn't pay for everyone Kiiiind of. They were going to replace Takei and Nichols with soundalikes because the salary for Shatner and Nimoy was so high, and Nimoy hit the roof, correctly noting that they'd be axing the only minority cast members from TOS. He flat-out said he wouldn't do the show if they were re-cast, and I believe even took a pay cut to help cover the per-episode costs to have Takei and Nichols involved.
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Oct 14, 2020 04:52
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DrNutt posted:That sounds kinda weak because they are clearly different from tng uniforms. Like, goddamn Starfleet, how often do you really need to change uniform styles? Yeah, the hologram of Chief O'Brien pretty clearly used the TNG style comm badge and season 3+ uniform. So it's obviously not a problem for them to animate that in LDS. That said, I'm fine with the idea that lovely tugboat-tier ships have their own category of uniform in the same way that space stations had their own distinct utility uniform during the early DS9 years. Doesn't really explain the admiral wearing an LDS uniform, but then again admiral uniforms changed like 5 times over the course of TNG alone, so who cares? That doesn't even seem like a crazy number of uniform changes. By the time LDS hits, the grey shoulder First Contact uniforms had been in use for quite a few years already. To use a real-life example of lots of wasteful uniform changes, I can think of at least 10 different styles of mass-issued camo utility uniforms used by the US military within the past 20 years. More if you count minor variations in collar/cuff design, changes to undershirt or boot color, changes to buttons vs velcro, etc. Each of those involved a multi-year long phase-in where previous styles were still authorized. If anything, it's wild that Starfleet kept the TWOK-era uniform going for so many decades. Timby posted:He flat-out said he wouldn't do the show if they were re-cast, and I believe even took a pay cut to help cover the per-episode costs to have Takei and Nichols involved. 
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Oct 14, 2020 05:46
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If I sit down and try to make up a reason about why the uniforms in Trek are never consistent (other than production don't care) I think the best conclusion is that the uniforms are like internal gangs. If you wear a certain style, you're repping a certain gang. Troi was the only one who didn't really fit in with the TNG gang until Captain Replacement told her to represent. Everyone can wear whatever style they want but when we see crews all wearing the same style, we know they're a cohesive bunch of folks because they decided to rep the same gang. Then you have folks like Worf who want to rep more than one gang and it's like yeah sure whatever.
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Oct 14, 2020 06:37
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Nimoy was a jerk in a lot of ways, but he cared a lot about his castmates. He and Shatner both took pay cuts from their $6 million salaries on The Undiscovered Country, for example, so DeForest Kelley--who was already in declining health--could finally break the $1 million payday barrier. Of course, Shatner insisted on getting his full $6 million for Generations, which hamstrung an already-limited budget.
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Oct 14, 2020 06:58
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twistedmentat posted:I read they reason that when TNG wanted to show Starfleet from an earlier period, they wore TOS Movie jackets without the turtleneck is because no one could find one of the turtlenecks in costume storage so they just had Jack Crusher wear the uniform without anything underneath.
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Oct 14, 2020 07:29
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https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1316272530001399808
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Oct 14, 2020 08:12
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It's already gone. What'd it say?
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Oct 14, 2020 08:34
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galenanorth posted:It's already gone. What'd it say? Weird. It was just the season 3 intro. Some unique motifs and imagery in it related to the new season.
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Oct 14, 2020 08:37
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Marshal Radisic posted:I think someone else in the thread said that the reason that TNG didn't use the turtlenecks with the TOS movie uniforms was because the turtlenecks were made with something called "trapunto quilting", a process which required incredibly rare sewing machines and needles.
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Oct 14, 2020 08:43
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I got the story straight from the Memory Alpha for TWOK. I know next to nothing about making clothes, so my assumption that the turtlenecks with a particular form of trapunto quilting that requires specialized equipment that wasn't easy for a Hollywood production in the early 1980s to acquire.
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Oct 14, 2020 09:11
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Marshal Radisic posted:I got the story straight from the Memory Alpha for TWOK. I know next to nothing about making clothes, so my assumption that the turtlenecks with a particular form of trapunto quilting that requires specialized equipment that wasn't easy for a Hollywood production in the early 1980s to acquire. I suspect it was more to do with turnaround times. Yes you could get the equipment/machines, but not within x working days. 26 episodes per year and I assume not a full year shooting means you don't really have more than a week prep per ep and sometimes those scripts do not come very far in advance. It's a real shame there wasn't a guerilla camera unit in the art dept during Peak Trek of the 90s because I would love to see a week in the life of running those shows. Powered Descent posted:The sloped shoulders make everyone look like they're slouching all the time. I hate them. I hate the shape, I hate the stripes, I hate the slouching effect, I hate the re-manufactured fat FC commbadges, I hate the fat PADDs hiding real iPads. I honestly can't think of a single bit of industrial design in that show that I like. (in it's defence I loved the Space Flowers) Malaise era. twistedmentat posted:The Picard uniforms looked weirdly tailored, like they made them in a hurry without properly mesuring the actors that were going to wear them. And Disco uniforms look like track suits, or pajamas. Both TNG-era uniforms in Picard looked really cheap/thin - I wondered if they were off-the-shelf ones (would make sense for how briefly it was on screen).
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Oct 14, 2020 09:47
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So I binged watched Lower Decks. It was pretty good. That is all.
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Oct 14, 2020 09:53
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echoplex posted:I hate them. I hate the shape, I hate the stripes, I hate the slouching effect, I hate the re-manufactured fat FC commbadges, I hate the fat PADDs hiding real iPads. I honestly can't think of a single bit of industrial design in that show that I like. (in it's defence I loved the Space Flowers) The quantum archive looked okay, and the computer interfaces in there (on screens!) looked like a decent LCARS upgrade, must-be-blue-computers aside. So much better than the stupid holograms that it'd be impossible to actually read...
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Oct 14, 2020 09:58
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Actually the worst uniforms are the Future Uniforms from Voyager. They are just uuuuuuuuugly.
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Oct 14, 2020 17:45
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If the theory is that you know it's the bad future that you need to fix by its terrible uniforms, then at least you can just write off Picard as the alternate future where there's a galaxy wide, brain damage inducing event.
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Oct 14, 2020 18:02
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Marshal Radisic posted:According to Ron Moore, Braga was considering bringing Voyager home early in the sixth season as a way to shake up the premise of the show. Moore was against it, arguing that doing so would be giving up on the one unique element of the show. In his opinion, if Voyager returned home then the Maquis characters would end up pardoned, everyone would want to stay onboard, and the show would complete its transformation into TNG v.2.0. Oh damnit, that could've been so good if they had done it though. I'm also one that was very disappointed that there was no resolution when they got home. No big reunions or speeches or memorials for the crew that didn't make it. No "well what do we do next". Just get there and then it ends.
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Oct 14, 2020 18:26
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speaking of, looks like 32nd century starfleet has a new logo
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Oct 14, 2020 18:27
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Nullsmack posted:Oh damnit, that could've been so good if they had done it though. Yeah I think RDM was wrong on that one. Yeah, sending Voyager home would kill its one premise, but it's not like they ever took it seriously anyway. They kept writing episodes about finally being able to get home early except lol this wormhole is too small and the probe got stuck in it, oh wait we can transport through it, lol it goes to Romulan space, and lol it's also 200 years in the past. Oh this time we found a good wormhole, let's go through, oh wait we need to deal with these Ferengi, and we are taking a long time to do this, looks like we got the Ferengi out just in time for them to go home but it was too late for us, lol.
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Oct 14, 2020 18:33
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They really are doubling down on that dumb ‘rank insignia hidden on the badge’ idea, aren’t they?
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Cojawfee posted:Yeah I think RDM was wrong on that one. Yeah, sending Voyager home would kill its one premise, but it's not like they ever took it seriously anyway. They kept writing episodes about finally being able to get home early except lol this wormhole is too small and the probe got stuck in it, oh wait we can transport through it, lol it goes to Romulan space, and lol it's also 200 years in the past. Oh this time we found a good wormhole, let's go through, oh wait we need to deal with these Ferengi, and we are taking a long time to do this, looks like we got the Ferengi out just in time for them to go home but it was too late for us, lol. Voyager was always basically Gilligan's Island in space, yes
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Oct 14, 2020 18:37
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Zaroff posted:They really are doubling down on that dumb ‘rank insignia hidden on the badge’ idea, aren’t they? I hate that. The badge isn't about rank. The badge is a unifying symbol of mutual exploration and discovery
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Oct 14, 2020 18:39
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Brawnfire posted:I hate that. The badge isn't about rank. The badge is a unifying symbol of mutual exploration and discovery This is from the show that gave extreme black badges to the top secret extrajudicial police The rank signifiers on disco were already dumb though. Collar pips will always be the best
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Oct 14, 2020 18:45
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Zaroff posted:They really are doubling down on that dumb ‘rank insignia hidden on the badge’ idea, aren’t they? "Sorry, uh... Captain?!? Oh poo poo."
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Oct 14, 2020 18:49
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Crusader posted:speaking of, looks like 32nd century starfleet has a new logo Starfleet eat the eggs
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Oct 14, 2020 18:51
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Crusader posted:speaking of, looks like 32nd century starfleet has a new logo Beautiful sneak reference to what DIS has been so far. Three seashells. Not that I'm not going to watch the gently caress out of it.
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Oct 14, 2020 19:01
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Crusader posted:speaking of, looks like 32nd century starfleet has a new logo Writers: "What if: Borg logo but with the starfleet swoop??"
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Oct 14, 2020 19:53
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Could be interesting if this theory pans out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41r6UjYESJQ It would be neat if the copy of the Voyager EMH from "Living Witness" would show up at some point. That should be from around the same time.
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Oct 14, 2020 19:58
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No joke if they kept a Robert Picardo cameo under wraps for Disco, that would be cool as hell.
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Oct 14, 2020 20:01
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So season 3 is going to be the Star Trek: Andromeda that Gene originally wanted?
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Oct 14, 2020 20:30
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The Future Imperfect badges having rank was fine because the bars were way bigger than the collar pips. I'm going to say again they need ranks on the sleeves again. So Disco is going beyond even the Enterprise-J and the Relativity from Voyager, so shouldn't Starfleet pretty easily be able to send them back in time? The justification for traveling so far forward doesn't make any drat sense anyway so I guess it's whatever if it means they get a blank slate for Disco. After so much was made of Burnham being Spock's sister but again, whatever.
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Oct 14, 2020 20:56
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Humerus posted:So Disco is going beyond even the Enterprise-J and the Relativity from Voyager, so shouldn't Starfleet pretty easily be able to send them back in time? Not if it's all confuckulated and post-apocalypse poo poo Setting a prequel in the far future is bound to absolutely gently caress with any sort of continuity or sense-making
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Oct 14, 2020 21:46
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Is that Rosario Dawson?
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Oct 14, 2020 22:01
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The_Doctor posted:Is that Rosario Dawson? Yeah
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Oct 14, 2020 22:27
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twistedmentat posted:Actually the worst uniforms are the Future Uniforms from Voyager. They are just uuuuuuuuugly. 
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Grandpa The Doctor is on his fifth rummage through the living room couches and still no remote has turned up
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