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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Circa 2000 the Flat Earth Society was a joke website somebody ran from his house. He had a picture of their “world headquarters” on the site that was a shack in the desert and meant to make fun of Kent Hovind, whose world creationism society hq was a trailer-park house on a concrete slab in the desert. I remember my high-school physics teacher showing it to us before class one day and telling the story. I recollect reading somewhere about 2000 on flat earthers and the take was that there was a vanishingly small number of true believers, and it was a vestige of past crank beliefs, slowly dying out. Like old school flying saucer nuts and fluoridation sceptics. Of course, here in 2021, everything old is new again.
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CommissarMega posted:Thanks, guys. Hoo boy, I'll almost miss these lunatics Oh, they're not going to go away. You'll run into them at unexpected moments, like I just did. Youtube, a place I go to for entomology videos and alt-rock, put the following top-drawer Βιden Ιnαuguratiοn conspiracy guff on my feed:  Leading to a lot of reactions like this one:   except for 'banjo music', read 'caddis larva aquarium'. The comment now has 17K upvotes. I don't watch Q-videos or conspiracy stuff on Youtube, so now I'm wondering if Google made this suggestion based on my search history.I gave in to curiosity, and found that the 'Godrules' account on Youtube seems to have got away with posting Qanon vids (so far) by embedding them among a full platter of Annunaki/Cryptid/Fake Moon Landings material (and even if I now purge my viewing history, maybe it's too late  ). My guess is that this is the belief soup the Qanon faithful are going to bob about in...until the next charismatic, Trumpesque figure arrives to purge the world of the Satanist pedovore (((elite))) that secretly runs it. Will it actually be an encore of Trump himself? I wouldn't bet against it.
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Wonder what - if any, take on the whole GameStop situation is among the Q people? Successful play to stick it to the (((elites)))? Satanic liberal plot to punish those who fought against the deep state?
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HappyHippo posted:Not to defend flat earth, but this isn't how it works in relativity. You can accelerate at a "proper acceleration" of 1g (as experienced by the observer being accelerated) indefinitely, but from an external frame of reference you'll appear get asymptotically closer to the speed of light. Not to defend flat earth, but interestingly enough they do accept special relativity:  E: Granted it looks like they copied this off of Wikipedia and who knows if anybody who believes in flat earth actually understand what all those words mean. letthereberock posted:Wonder what - if any, take on the whole GameStop situation is among the Q people? Successful play to stick it to the (((elites)))? Satanic liberal plot to punish those who fought against the deep state? I don’t think it’s related at all. It’s just a bunch of redditors who decided to go all in on GameStop to gently caress with the hedge funds and and then it got picked up on the news and the price kept going up. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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letthereberock posted:Wonder what - if any, take on the whole GameStop situation is among the Q people? Successful play to stick it to the (((elites)))? Satanic liberal plot to punish those who fought against the deep state? They are excited and trying to claim a connection Thread "I am a Regular User of r/wallstreetbets, CNN called all the users Trumpists and Everyone Is Waking Up" quote:mnm313 10 hours ago +127 / -1 quote:mnm313 9 hours ago +60 / -0 quote:Patriot_Lettuce 9 hours ago +20 / -0 quote:bubble_bursts 10 hours ago +11 / -0
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Elea posted:They are excited and trying to claim a connection Some people are making a lot of money on this stuff. A lot of people are going to somehow end up thinking that the liberals are why they are bankrupt come Monday. If that's the new prescribed sell day, because it used to be Friday.
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Carnival of Shrews posted:Oh, they're not going to go away. You'll run into them at unexpected moments, like I just did. Youtube, a place I go to for entomology videos and alt-rock, put the following top-drawer Βιden Ιnαuguratiοn conspiracy guff on my feed: Essentially now for the Q people we are in the Warhammer world where good came so close to triumphing over evil forever but then their God Emperor fell, and now in the Grim Darkness of the 2nd Millenium there is only memes
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The latest episode of the extremely good podcast QAnon Anonymous does a deep dive into the Q community's cognitive dissonance, collective trauma, and general reactions to Joe Biden actually being president and the storm not having come. tl;dr they're either going full Soverign Citizen, full white nationalist, doubling down on their sense of community, or being disgusted with the whole thing. Which way they go will depend on who talks to them first. Again, if you've got a Q relative, now's the time to reach out before one of those other groups do.
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letthereberock posted:Wonder what - if any, take on the whole GameStop situation is among the Q people? Successful play to stick it to the (((elites)))? Satanic liberal plot to punish those who fought against the deep state? i think there's a decent amount of overlap between conspiracy theorists and people who try to play speculators on the market and get burned. one of the biggest conspiracy theorists i ever personally know, fake moon lander art bell type, wasted tens of thousands of dollars on penny stocks. its that toxic combination of knowing barely enough about the world to get yourself into trouble, combined with figuring you have secret and magical knowledge which will let you short circuit reality itself to rise above the sheep
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Elea posted:They are excited and trying to claim a connection I was saying "Boo-Urns"
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Froghammer posted:The latest episode of the extremely good podcast QAnon Anonymous does a deep dive into the Q community's cognitive dissonance, collective trauma, and general reactions to Joe Biden actually being president and the storm not having come. The failed prophecy stuff is terrifying because the whole of Q fits into the "dig deeper and never come out" category.
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Jan 28, 2021 18:08
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From the Free Republic Q thread. Minimizing interpretation.quote:Trust the Plan
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Elea posted:From the Free Republic Q thread. Minimizing interpretation. I love that right wingers have no problem with being actively lied to by their leaders and their cult priests "Yeah I lost my whole family and my friends won't speak to me, but it was good for me to see the truth!"  There is no helping a person like that. Just lick that boot more I guess TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Jan 28, 2021 18:19
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i think there's a decent amount of overlap between conspiracy theorists and people who try to play speculators on the market and get burned. one of the biggest conspiracy theorists i ever personally know, fake moon lander art bell type, wasted tens of thousands of dollars on penny stocks. its that toxic combination of knowing barely enough about the world to get yourself into trouble, combined with figuring you have secret and magical knowledge which will let you short circuit reality itself to rise above the sheep Oh yeah, if anyone learned anything from this experience is that Wall Street really is the world's most influential casino. And every casino has a few repeat customers who think they got it all figured out but they get taken to the cleaners every week
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The rah rah language of r/wallstreetbets, the nihilism, the meme-y sentence structure, the all caps, the mindless upvoting and firehose commenting are all reminiscent of r/The_Donald and thedonald.win which described themselves as 24/7 Trump rallies. It's cool to see billionaires ganked by an army of sad sack nihilists but I worry about where this is going. The mob isn't going to disperse and it could be co-opted and retargeted, and they're displaying real power here.
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Jan 28, 2021 18:46
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indiscriminately posted:The rah rah language of r/wallstreetbets, the nihilism, the meme-y sentence structure, the all caps, the mindless upvoting and firehose commenting are all reminiscent of r/The_Donald and thedonald.win which described themselves as 24/7 Trump rallies. It's cool to see billionaires ganked by an army of sad sack nihilists but I worry about where this is going. The mob isn't going to disperse and it could be co-opted and retargeted, and they're displaying real power here. It reminds me of when goons used to invade and overwhelm small mmos. Realistically, what kind of havoc could they cause now aside from ruining the stock market?
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Jan 28, 2021 19:08
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It reminds me of when goons used to invade and overwhelm small mmos. Realistically, what kind of havoc could they cause now aside from ruining the stock market? none, they are costing some large firms a lot of money at the cost of setting their own money on fire. it is not any kind of sustainable revolution, its more like a suicide attack where most of the attackers think they are going to get rich/go to heaven
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It's like all the idiocy of bitcoin without the whole "ruining the environment" thing
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Jan 28, 2021 19:23
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It's also, uh, decidedly not class warfare. There's billionaires who are invested long, and huge "traditional" funds who are laughing all the way to the bank, at the cost of a few hedge funds being ripped a new rear end in a top hat.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Realistically, what kind of havoc could they cause now aside from ruining the stock market? All the systems of society thread into each other, right? The stock market is not the economy but it's one of the circulatory systems of the economy, it's a way of adding structure to complexity so that we can summarize and compare institutions, and it's a way of manufacturing trust. I don't mean to write a defense of the stock market (and neither do I think it's going anywhere), just saying if the market actually did break down in a sudden fashion it's unpredictable what that would mean. Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:none, they are costing some large firms a lot of money at the cost of setting their own money on fire. it is not any kind of sustainable revolution, its more like a suicide attack where most of the attackers think they are going to get rich/go to heaven I think a lot of these people actually are going to get somewhat rich. Not the people who buy in now, but the nihilist regulars of r/wallstreetbets who bought in early. edit: vvvvv So I guess my discomfort is that the r/wallstreetbets nihilists resemble and perhaps overlap with the r/The_Donald folks and once this is through they're going to have some money and a rockstar sense of invulnerability. indiscriminately fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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the mob also is definitely going to dissipate quickly if each of them gets dinged a couple grand or more in losses each time they try to run up a meme stock and get burnedindiscriminately posted:I think a lot of these people actually are going to get somewhat rich. Not the people who buy in now, but the nihilist regulars of r/wallstreetbets who bought in early. yeah a handful of these people hit jackpots, funded on the backs of everyone who bought a $10 stock at $20 or $50 or god forbid $100+ and is still holding
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dao Jones posted:Huh! Well thanks for the correction! I knew I didn't understand relativity. Your explanation seems surprisingly clear to me, probably since I concocted the original erroneous scenario. Yeah, this scenario actually comes up quite a bit, because it's considered a potential way to travel to another star system. Basically you accelerate towards the star at 1g, and when you're halfway there you turn the ship around and decelerate at 1g the rest of the way. The idea is the people inside get "artificial" gravity of 1g for the whole trip (except that part where you turn around).
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:The failed prophecy stuff is terrifying because the whole of Q fits into the "dig deeper and never come out" category. QAnon is going to change forms, but it is by no means going away
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Froghammer posted:Yeah, pretty much. When Prophesies Fail is a chilling read in general, but the bit at the end where the Minnesota cult held on and stuck together for fifteen goddamn years, even after dozens of apocalyptic prophecies failed to come to fruition, is particularly scary. One of the major theories of biblical criticism (treating the bible as a historical document) is that Jesus was preaching that the apocalypse would occur within his generation. 2000 years later, Christianity is still going strong.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:none, they are costing some large firms a lot of money at the cost of setting their own money on fire. it is not any kind of sustainable revolution, its more like a suicide attack where most of the attackers think they are going to get rich/go to heaven I have a lot of doubts that any major player gets really hurt in any of this. I think the down side is almost entirely on the retail investors. I have a lot of doubts that the Hedge funds weren't hedged to the risk of potential loss. I'm sure they lost some money. I doubt that it was outside their risk tolerance. edit: Turns out I am somewhat wrong. The GME short sellers did lose about 5 billion, some places are reporting their hedge was at $90. Which seems like absurd downside for a $4 short. Murgos fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Murgos posted:I have a lot of doubts that any major player gets really hurt in any of this. I think the down side is almost entirely on the retail investors. I would guess a couple of hedge funds will fail or else suffer spectacular losses as a result of this. The hedge fund space is too crowded now, and trying to generate value with these sorts of strategies requires an ever increasing appetite for risk. That being said, a couple of hedge funds failing and a few rich people losing out this year doesn't really matter, and the retail investors, the majority of which will probably end up losing money off this will probably suffer more damage. They may do okay off gamestop but they're trying the same thing on other stocks now that they think are over shorted, and between the barriers the exchanges will put in their way and the collusion of the retail apps and the lack of focus I bet the whole thing will dissipate in a ball of recriminations.
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indiscriminately posted:edit: vvvvv So I guess my discomfort is that the r/wallstreetbets nihilists resemble and perhaps overlap with the r/The_Donald folks and once this is through they're going to have some money and a rockstar sense of invulnerability. I think you should be less worried about this and more worried about the possibility that it's minimal overlap - that this is an entirely different segment of people flailing for something, anything they can do short of trying to storm the capitol. It's going to fail to accomplish anything substantial, of course, and we're going to keep seeing more and more people abandon hope for any path to justice other than violence. If it's all trump fans at least you're still worried about a minority position.
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Irony.or.Death posted:I think you should be less worried about this and more worried about the possibility that it's minimal overlap - that this is an entirely different segment of people flailing for something, anything they can do short of trying to storm the capitol. It's going to fail to accomplish anything substantial, of course, and we're going to keep seeing more and more people abandon hope for any path to justice other than violence. If it's all trump fans at least you're still worried about a minority position. My personal thought is that it's the same people being victimized but could be different people committing the scam. Someone figured out that there is a portion of the populace that is really susceptible to meme based, altered reality advertising and the rest of us are paying the price for it.
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Maybe the conspiracy lunacy is coming from inside the threat, but I think it's pretty telling that the conversations surrounding the news cycle today has largely been dominated by the 'it might be chuds' noise rather than the freezing of trades being done by the brokers or whatever you call the app people in order to stop the filthy poors from wrecking wall street
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Lib and let die posted:Maybe the conspiracy lunacy is coming from inside the threat, but I think it's pretty telling that the conversations surrounding the news cycle today has largely been dominated by the 'it might be chuds' noise rather than the freezing of trades being done by the brokers or whatever you call the app people in order to stop the filthy poors from wrecking wall street One of the key areas of bipartisan agreement is the protection of capital, so of course all institutions are going to find a way to demonize the people wrecking up their system. A lot of them might themselves even sincerely believe that it's chuds.
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Lib and let die posted:Maybe the conspiracy lunacy is coming from inside the threat, but I think it's pretty telling that the conversations surrounding the news cycle today has largely been dominated by the 'it might be chuds' noise rather than the freezing of trades being done by the brokers or whatever you call the app people in order to stop the filthy poors from wrecking wall street this is definitely one of those situations where you enter with "class solidarity" intentions and end up bedfellows with nazis https://twitter.com/lilsarg/status/1354796995483987969 capital isn't going to be hurt by this. this is not a threat to the system. this is a threat to the savings accounts of racist petit bourgeois who want to attack the "globalist bankers" who get easily fooled by internet memethink into bold but ultimately fruitless and self harming action Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:this is definitely one of those situations where you enter with "class solidarity" intentions and end up bedfellows with nazis If nazis want to fight capitalists, the only obligation I feel is to bring enough popcorn and weed for everyone else that wants to watch.
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they aren't fighting the capitalists as a whole, they are attacking riskier investment firms while larger, more stable investment firms make giant profits. wall street as a whole isn't losing any money here if it isn't clear enough, here is what massive racist ben garrison thinks of the situation. ooo those dastardly millenials, sitcking it to Big Banker! 
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:they aren't fighting the capitalists as a whole, they are attacking riskier investment firms while larger, more stable investment firms make giant profits. wall street as a whole isn't losing any money here Ok, if a nazi wants to fight a capitalist, i'm still going to enjoy the show. i think it's categorically incorrect to say that appreciating one enemy harming another enemy is 'getting into bed' with an enemy, which i guess is where i diverge from the general consensus.
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Lib and let die posted:i think it's categorically incorrect to say that appreciating one enemy harming another enemy is 'getting into bed' with an enemy, which i guess is where i diverge from the general consensus. you're moving your goalposts from the original "how do we know chuds are mixed up in this, sounds like a defense of Big Capital to me" quote:I think it's pretty telling that the conversations surrounding the news cycle today has largely been dominated by the 'it might be chuds' noise rather than the freezing of trades being done by the brokers obviously we are going to talk about chuds in this, the "let's talk about chuds" thread. but a huge part of this ideological and sacrificial token revolt against wall street is to revolt against (((wall street))). the rest of it is just people who have no idea what they're doing gambling grandma's insulin money based on some poo poo they read on reddit
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:this is definitely one of those situations where you enter with "class solidarity" intentions and end up bedfellows with nazis If those screenshots sway you, you're never going to be able to fight capital. There will always be a group screaming that money = jew, and as I trust you're aware the nazis don't care whether their rhetoric has anything to do with reality. That is not to say that buying gamestop shares is a particularly effective method of fighting capital, but this is a spectacularly bad angle on the situation.
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Irony.or.Death posted:If those screenshots sway you, you're never going to be able to fight capital. There will always be a group screaming that money = jew, and as I trust you're aware the nazis don't care whether their rhetoric has anything to do with reality. That is not to say that buying gamestop shares is a particularly effective method of fighting capital, but this is a spectacularly bad angle on the situation. i can't fight capital because i recognize racists exist online? no idea what your point is here
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i can't fight capital because i recognize racists exist online? no idea what your point is here I don't know what you're trying to say, but it comes off as "this can't be a victory against capital because there's a credible chance that nazis were involved." If one of my enemies hurts another of my enemies, that's good. It doesn't mean either enemy is rehabilitated, it just means one of my enemies is now weaker. E: and to prove the point, here we are slap fighting over whether this was an anti Semitic attack, rather than Wall Street icing out us poors (to an even greater extent)
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i can't fight capital because i recognize racists exist online? no idea what your point is here Let's borrow your phrasing and see if that helps clarify: how would you imagine revolting against wall street without someone jumping on board to revolt against (((wall street)))?
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