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Shaggar posted:why would it be easier in canada? the problem here is that you can say that ML is used constantly every day in life critical health applications because “machine learning” is actually insanely broad
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see table reproduced here https://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2009/09/the-difference-between-statistics-and-machine-learning.html the implicature is that the difference is superficial but in fact it is the extension of a total lack of computational competence in the stats peeps. no serious nn research has been done in R, and i saw one of his grad school minions having to teach tibshirani what javascript was w my own fuckin eyes bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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Jul 24, 2023 16:47
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mediaphage posted:lol how’s a new crypto coin going to do anything to tell the difference between humans and non-human content. what’s preventing a human from loaning its id or more likely faking it in the first place I've been assuming the ORB digitally signs its iris scans and they're going to create a combination of physical security and chain of trust so you can be certain that an iris scan came from an ORB in the custody of worldcoin representatives scanning a real human's iris or at least that's the plan. plus everything else wrong with launching a new coin in 2023
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i think ai is techniques invented in the last 10 years, machine learning is things invented 10-20 years ago, and statistics is things invented more than 20 years ago
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Jul 24, 2023 16:50
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backprop was invented reagan admin
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hobbesmaster posted:the problem here is that you can say that ML is used constantly every day in life critical health applications because “machine learning” is actually insanely broad yeah anyway once again i should point out that this is academic research looking at health outcomes i’m talking about not building some robot doctor that you press a button and get a diagnosis this product results in papers published in public health journals not a product sold to medical professionals
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bob dobbs is dead posted:backprop was invented reagan admin right, it's a classical statistics technique
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Eeyo posted:i think ai is techniques invented in the last 10 years, machine learning is things invented 10-20 years ago, and statistics is things invented more than 20 years ago CNNs are dead tech abandoned and now resurrected after available compute power and memory exploded relative to the 70s(60s?) There's some new stuff, but even that isn't so much foundationally new as new applications. GANs are basically taking one fuckoff huge NN and then making another fuckoff huge NN to determine whether something was made by a NN or not, then cyclically feeding them into each other. RNNs take the output of some CNN layer and shove it back as input to some earlier layer. The foundational boxes themselves aiui haven't really changed a whole lot.
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Jul 24, 2023 17:01
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bob dobbs is dead posted:backprop was invented reagan admin i thought that was bootstrapping
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Jul 24, 2023 17:26
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Jul 24, 2023 17:29
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mediaphage posted:larger quantities of high quality centralized medical records thanks to public healthcare. you still have to go through clean up but there’s a lot of very good data ya researchers love denmark for our health records
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:posted it before but oldjob spent a fortune on the Salesforce field level border encryption for sensitive fields and the sales guys just put all the sensitive info in the notes section that was unencrypted Hahaha Shaggar posted:guess how 10000 employee provider orgs who spend a billion dollars a year on their EHRs handle the same problem? you'll be amazed! Shocking! My current contractor job has me doing CAD work designing things for heavy wash equipment, and the very tiny 3 person small business trying to figure out an inventory system. At some point they had some software package, that I cannot remember the name of, that required them to call up the company to pay for changes. Currently everything is in excel, so I'm filling out spare part fields and updating a huge master file before emailing it back to my boss haha. Earlier chat about 4k displays reminded me of what a piece of poo poo Autocad is at doing anything in 4k and how busted the scaling is in that program.
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fusion360... kinda... sorta... works on high DPI displays like certain parts of the UI will still render like it's lower for some reason, and occasionally it just forgets you have that setting on entirely after an update and you have to go into the options to turn it back on, but it functions i guess
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mediaphage posted:larger quantities of high quality centralized medical records thanks to public healthcare lol thats not how that works
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mediaphage posted:i’m talking about not building some robot doctor that you press a button and get a diagnosis i work for one of the biggest medical companies in the world and boy have i got some information for you
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Like the reason the doc puts everything into the notes field is because hes a lazy piece of poo poo and doesnt think he should have to do it right, not because the fields dont exist or he hasnt been told how to do it correctly.
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Shaggar posted:Like the reason the doc puts everything into the notes field is because hes a lazy piece of poo poo and doesnt think he should have to do it right, not because the fields dont exist or he hasnt been told how to do it correctly. this is correct, almost all doctors, especially the more specialized they are, are completely full of themselves doctor strange is more accurate than you think
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Jul 24, 2023 19:21
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Mr. Crow posted:this is correct, almost all doctors, especially the more specialized they are, are completely full of themselves doctor strange eventually learns there's things more important than him in the universe which doesn't happen to most doctors even after they try to climb a tree backwards in their 911 turbo
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qirex posted:doctor strange eventually learns there's things more important than him in the universe which doesn't happen to most doctors even after they try to climb a tree backwards in their 911 turbo being in a car crash didn't humble strange, having his soul punted out of his body into an acid trip by tilda swinton did shame she doesn't have enough spare time to do this for all the doctors
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infernal machines posted:reportedly he got that name for losing a posting challenge, it was the worst thing they could think of drat so yospos doesn't even get a relationship buff with him like if the pope is from your country in Crusader Kings.
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Shaggar posted:Like the reason the doc puts everything into the notes field is because hes a lazy piece of poo poo and doesnt think he should have to do it right, not because the fields dont exist or he hasnt been told how to do it correctly. doctors want every single field to be a space they can freely doodle in. my medical records have a page that has all the fields blank except for this: 
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my condolences on your miscarriage
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Mr. Crow posted:i work for one of the biggest medical companies in the world and boy have i got some information for you pass i specifically said i’m not talking about that. i’m talking about basic research Shaggar posted:lol thats not how that works that’s fine i’ll listen to the researchers who actually work with this poo poo and know what they’re talking about over the tech bro on the internet. there’s a lot of high quality data available here. see above how people go for denmark for the same reason there’s a lot more to the data than just whatever scribbles a doctor may or may not write down on a notepad in your file mediaphage fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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im sorry for your loss
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haveblue posted:my condolences on your miscarriage god DAMMIT
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Achmed Jones posted:god DAMMIT so close
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haveblue posted:being in a car crash didn't humble strange, having his soul punted out of his body into an acid trip by tilda swinton did LSD is supposed to have that effect on people.
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leper khan posted:LSD is supposed to have that effect on people. he never came back from the trip he went on after dropping acid during med school
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Sweevo posted:doctors want every single field to be a space they can freely doodle in. my medical records have a page that has all the fields blank except for this: haveblue posted:my condolences on your miscarriage 
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mediaphage posted:pass then great we dont need AI!
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jesus christ
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old doctors retiring will have more to do with improvements in healthcare data than just about anything else. its laughable to think "public healthcare" is the reason for improvements when the US government spends more than any country in the world on healthcare and utterly fails in quality at every level because CMS is an incompetent organization. the VA health system is probably the closest thing the US operates to a totally nationalized health system and its currently going through a horrible migration off an in house EHR system to a new EHR (oracle lol) and its going about as well as you'd expect. They're hitting all the same problems private provider networks run into with implementation only worse because if how massively more fragmented the current system is.
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go off king that has literally nothing to do with what i was talking about so just enjoy arguing with the imaginary picture you created i guess
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Ibm watson solves this
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mediaphage: "AI applications (and stats stuff) need data. to be useful data needs to be labeled. countries with centralized public health care tend to have data that is easier to ingest. denmark is an example of this, and its health data is frequently preferred due to its high quality categorization." i dont know how shaggar can miss the point this completely and aggressively, but here we are
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Nah EHR legitimately sucks. My wife is a (fairly tech-savvy) optometrist and she says EHR jankiness often adds two unpaid hours to her day. She's used several different EHR systems and they all lack basic features. I was chatting with some of her optometry friends, and one of them was complaining that her EHR is so laggy that it will take five actual seconds to select a new field, and each patient has dozens of mandatory fields. A ton of her friends, despite being new grads, are already trying to leave the field because of the combo of increasing corporatization of the field (and resulting increased workloads) + extremely frustrating charting.
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mediaphage posted:go off king The biggest problem is quality data collection, NOT automated suggestions which can be done today already without AI if you have quality data.
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denmark doesnt have materially better collection. canada doesnt either. none of it is actually good because data entry gets worse the richer the peep doing it the problem is fundamental, inasmuch as its enterprise software. you would need to purge the epic and oracle and such from the sector and start off with something where the peeps using it are the peeps allocating the money "oracle works in this sector and its not hosed" - an absolutely ludicrous statement bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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Mr. Crow posted:Ibm watson solves this you've been diagnosed with a visible ruler on your biopsy. i'm afraid it's terminal
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again the ultimate problem with EHRs is they're designed around what the administrators and doctors think they want rather than whats medically necessary just like every enterprise software system. This is a place where CMS should be defining coding systems and procedural standards that would result in minimum requirements for all providers. Doctors would loving hate it because they dont like being told what to do, but it would give you more consistent outcomes and better data for large scale ingestion.
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