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YPG is good, but they cannot govern Syria. Jihadists are bad, and they cannot govern Syria. Assad is a messy bitch who lives for drama.
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lollontee posted:
Sorry, I get annoyed when people keep asking me to provide quotes when I've got the primary source already posted because it feels like they don't want to read, and it feels like bad faith questions. The reason the PKK/YPG "Ocalanists" are content to be part of Turkey or Syria is because having their own state is an existential threat in a region where absolutely nobody wants an independent Kurdistan. Democratic Confederalism is an adaptive strategy from the PKK and Ocalan's roots as a Marxist-Leninist party, where they figured that if it's impossible to be de jure independent then they may as well have practical independence through direct control of local government. They not only borrow from Bookchinite ideas of communal stateless rule, they also lift heavily from Mao's concept of the cadre forming a government in parallel which makes the official government irrelevant until it can supplant it fully. The Turkish invasion of Afrin, and the Iraqis retaking Kirkuk after the independence referendum, are the primary examples of why the Kurds shouldn't play the state game. Not having guarantees from the United States against Turkish aggression and lacking Syrian state security to enforce the borders left Afrin completely open to Turkish aggression. Afrin was practically a de facto state, and that independence left them practically defenseless against an imperial power like Turkey. That's why the best deal for the YPG is to maintain their independence of government while still delivering taxes to the Syrian state, and maintaining the territorial integrity of Syria. If they go fully independent, then their rear end is in the breeze. The United States has no long-term commitment to the Kurds because without ISIS they're just a liability. so, tl;dr - Democratic Confederalism is an adaptive political strategy for a people who cannot have a state.
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why does everybody hate the kurds
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Because their communities have the gall not to respect the wisely laid out borders of the post-Ottoman Middle East, and thus they show a reckless disregard for national security and integrity.
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Rastor posted:why does everybody hate the kurds Dozens of reasons. If they're not Godless communists, then it's because they want to be independent and take all those territories with them. The Turks hate the Kurds because they refuse to be Turks, the Iranians hate the Kurds because they're communists, the Iraqis hate the Kurds because if they leave then they're gonna take the oil, and the Syrians hate the Kurds for both the oil and being communists.
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ah, so it's like if venezuela was surrounded by jealous armed enemies
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Not all Kurds are left wing, and there’s factionalism across borders.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Sorry, I get annoyed when people keep asking me to provide quotes when I've got the primary source already posted because it feels like they don't want to read, and it feels like bad faith questions. yeah the kurds are playing the long game of waiting for the major middle eastern states to collapse before making any real move which is smart they also manage to tamp down the factionalism pretty well, but we'll see how that goes once IS is more or less "gone"
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the turkish and syrian kurds are mostly communists (PKK and YPG) while Iraqi Kurdistan is split between two social democratic parties pretty much, but Barzani is almost a dictator at this point. The Iranian kurds are more successfully repressed, though I think the PKK has an offshoot operating underground there as well.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not all Kurds are left wing, and there’s factionalism across borders.  this. is. the. simplified version. and deprecated at that!!
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https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/984988657328123905
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Willie Tomg posted:
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have they still not sorted Flint's water? your country is a fraud
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:so, tl;dr - Democratic Confederalism is an adaptive political strategy for a people who cannot have a state. As it should be, they're fighting a decades long war against vastly superior enemies after all. But I thought this debate of ours was actually about the long-term goals of PYD and how those relate to American military aid, not how they could practically defeat both Assad and Erdogan in a head-on battle? Because I definately agree they couldn't, as we see in the case of Afrin, but as absolutely no one knows what's going to happen exactly with those troops and guns (or Trump), I wouldn't go as far as predict who they're going to have to fight to survive going forward. Or how that would define their long-term aims in establishing an multiethnic Democratic Confederation. I never tried to argue that Rojava should declare independence immediately as a tactically smart move, just that I don't see PYD surviving all that long if they have to submit to Assad's authority. Being that he tried to exterminate them for decades before, with little less brutality than the Turkish regime.
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flint's pipes are being replaced right now
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nopantsjack posted:have they still not sorted Flint's water? the pipes are being replaced, which won't be done till 2020 however, lead levels in the water have dropped somewhat, enough that the governor just stopped providing free bottled water and water filters understandably, residents are not happy and don't trust the Snyder administration
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the point stands regardless of where they are in the process of fixing the pipes. amerika allowed its infrastructure to fail and poison its own people to save a few bucks but always finds the money to symbolically fire off scores of million dollar missiles. Plenty of other bridges and piping that should be getting worked on out there too
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Main Paineframe posted:the pipes are being replaced, which won't be done till 2020 Can't understand it at all https://twitter.com/LittleMissFlint/status/834622538684706816
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A Flint water company rep was on the Democracy Nowpodcast like a week ago saying they got the pollution to 4 ppb down from something like 30.
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Fast Luck posted:the point stands regardless of where they are in the process of fixing the pipes. amerika allowed its infrastructure to fail and poison its own people to save a few bucks but always finds the money to symbolically fire off scores of million dollar missiles. Plenty of other bridges and piping that should be getting worked on out there too how about Puerto loving Rico something like a quarter to a third of residents still don't have power seven months after the hurricane hit, and there's been two multi-day island-wide blackouts in the last week 2018's hurricane season starts in a month and a half and they're not even done rebuilding from the last hurricane
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you guys keep talking and trumps gonna send cruise missiles to flint and Puerto Rico.
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america is good and definitely needs to be the lead actor in an international system policing what goes on in the rest of the world
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debth to amberika, bictory to assab someding sombething inshallah
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G.C. Furr III posted:debth to amberika, bictory to assab someding sombething inshallah welcome professor furr, it is good to see you
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G.C. Furr III posted:debth to amberika, bictory to assab someding sombething inshallah “donald trump and john bolton should escalate military conflicts across the world” -many wise posters in this thread
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its me, the guy who found the objective good guys in a 1000 sided civil war fueled by every single nation remotely capable of projecting power into the levant. death to the other guys!
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:weve got one boys, an actual tankie freak that prefers assad over actual leftists Hamprince, who thought every poster in the thread was this, is finally justified
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hold on we need to freedom bomb more muslim countries first
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nopantsjack posted:have they still not sorted Flint's water? Lol ask us about the post-hurricane rebuilding in Puerto Rico.
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Lol https://twitter.com/Syricide/status/986796476499222529
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Whom amongst us wouldn't want a nice bath and some delicious dates?
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geeeeejus
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Willie Tomg posted:
which group is the equivalent to CSPAM nite crew?
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the sootoro, duh
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brown moses added the thread subtitle about himself, lol
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R. Guyovich posted:brown moses added the thread subtitle about himself, lol that owns
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R. Guyovich posted:brown moses added the thread subtitle about himself, lol what a literal tool
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lollontee posted:please gently caress my retard mouth with a vanguard dick go back to d&d
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R. Guyovich posted:brown moses added the thread subtitle about himself, lol hahahahahahahahahah what a lame thing to do hahahahahaha
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