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Omobono posted:After Kamoshida he has a strong hunch he acts on and a couple Mementoes targets later he pretty much has confirmation. Futaba suggests that it's not a big deal because aside from her Japan sucks at computers lol
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I mean the PTs had to have been discovered by Akechi pretty quickly, no? As far as clandestinity goes they mostly suck.
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YaketySass posted:I mean the PTs had to have been discovered by Akechi pretty quickly, no? As far as clandestinity goes they mostly suck. They note a few times that it's not hard to deduce that they are all somehow involved in the changes of heart, the problem is actually proving it since everything that they do is done via alternate universe shenanigans That being said, corruption notwithstanding it always amused me that everyone just treats changes of heart as obviously illegal even though I suspect that there is nothing on the books about invading peoples palaces and stealing the source of their desires. In terms of the real world impact the results are something that could theoretically arise simply by managing to convince someone to change their ways, which I'm pretty sure isn't a crime.
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Sydin posted:Yeah he knows for sure, it's just that one of his redeeming features is that he's like, one of the only people in the entire loving game who knows to actually be subtle about it in public. Ryuji gets a lot of poo poo but pretty much everybody in the party is guilty of it at one point or another, particularly when your hideout is on a crowded Shibuya walkway where the group loudly talks about whose heart they're going to change next for anybody passing by to hear. the two circumstances probably tie into one another - mishima's privy to the thieves' mementos requests but they do their best to keep him out of the loop otherwise, and rightly so because he's got about as much impulse control as ryuji and even more insecurity
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No Mods No Masters posted:Futaba's right A Japanese game openly admitting that Japan sucks at computers surprised me almost as much as a Japanese game straight up acknowledging that Japan's criminal justice system is a giant fraud
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Fojar38 posted:That being said, corruption notwithstanding it always amused me that everyone just treats changes of heart as obviously illegal even though I suspect that there is nothing on the books about invading peoples palaces and stealing the source of their desires. In terms of the real world impact the results are something that could theoretically arise simply by managing to convince someone to change their ways, which I'm pretty sure isn't a crime. Honestly the entire legal side of things is weirdly shaky. Like near the beginning Sai and Akechi both agree that obviously these "changes of heart" are related to mental shutdowns. Like... why? What in any way connects those two crimes from the perspective of someone who doesn't know about the metaverse?
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Considering Akechi is the one causing the mental shutdowns and knows about palaces, it makes sense he'd have a good idea the changes of heart are also a product of the metaverse Sae making the connection is a bit of a leap and - to be fair - she gets called out by the SIU Director for making a leap in judgement but she brushes him off.
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Is Ryuji/Yuusuke coming over almost every day during summer break new? I like how that's actually a pretty realistic thing for these teenage guys to do over the break. edit: People were mentioning how Hifumi could have been in a role similar to Makoto, and I just did an event where I went to the book place with Makoto and ran into Hifumi and they became friends (I like how these hang-out things seem to often involve confidantes meeting each other) Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Sydin posted:Sae making the connection is a bit of a leap and - to be fair - she gets called out by the SIU Director for making a leap in judgement but she brushes him off. Sae was somewhat cooling off on the theory after the SIU Director calls her out on it, but Akechi, who has a clear reason to frame the thieves for the mental shutdowns, supported the theory, and since she trusted Akechi, she became convinced as well.
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P4/P5 spoilers I think it's funny that the inherent structure of the game totally gives away who the protagonist group is. Of COURSE Akechi would be able to identify the Phantom Thieves when their members are entirely composed of a growing list of victims of the most recent change of heart recipient. He had it totally sussed out once he realized who Yusuke was, even before Makoto joined you. Same with Adachi, oh, weird, all the previous kidnapping victims are all hanging out, hmm!
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Ytlaya posted:Is Ryuji/Yuusuke coming over almost every day during summer break new? They weren't every day, but Ryuji and Yusuke have hangouts that'll help build up friendship points. A lot of the random outings you get texted about involve another confident showing up. The one with Mishima and the planetarium is the one I'm reminded of the most.
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S.D. posted:They weren't every day, but Ryuji and Yusuke have hangouts that'll help build up friendship points. I did the one where you go to the shrine with Ann and Takemi shows up...right after I started a relationship with both of them. And it is doubly hilarious because their conversation simultaneously doesn't take that possibility into account at all while also being the most awkward interaction in the world if you are.
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So (endgame spoilers) I on my second playthrough I just got to the classroom question by Maruki, about when Totalitarianism crosses the line into Authoritarianism, with the correct answer being "when you start controlling public thought." Guess he'd know, huh 
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Yo what's up with Okumura in this? I don't remember having trouble with him in the original. I'm lv42 and only on hard and I can't do enough damage to the green robots to kill them before they flee. I've got Joker@Horus with Psiodyne, Haru, and a handful of psy offensive items. I've tried passing to boost Joker's offense as far as it'll go and I'm still not breaking through. I don't know how I can juice any more effectiveness out of the tools I've got right now. Most of the advice I've seen for this fight is "turn it to easy and summon the free cheat Personas" which is crazy. What did Atlus do to this fight lol
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Deified Data posted:Yo what's up with Okumura in this? The two most important elements are Psi and Wind. The trick is to have your one or two party members that don’t have those elements to use the elemental bomb items and/or have the accessories equipped that provide those attacks to pass to Joker/Haru/Mona. I was lucky. I got a couple fusion accidents which gave me early access to the -dyne spells plus their relevant boost, so Joker could nuke them after a pass + his normal turn in a single cycle. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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It's the opposite: turn the fight up to Merciless difficulty. It may sound weird, but on the highest difficulty damage targeting weaknesses does 3x damage both ways. Everybody with psy items + baton pass on Merciless will clean up the green bots easy.
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Ytlaya posted:
That hangout event made me sad; I was torn between dating Hifumi or Makoto and now my headcanon is that they get along but both have crushes on the MC (though I will end up dating Makoto, since I prefer when the MC dates a party member).
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Sydin posted:It's the opposite: turn the fight up to Merciless difficulty. It may sound weird, but on the highest difficulty damage targeting weaknesses does 3x damage both ways. Everybody with psy items + baton pass on Merciless will clean up the green bots easy. That did it. How weird. I feel bad for people just trying to play on normal for the story lol. Merciless made it pretty effortless ironically.
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Deified Data posted:That did it. How weird. I feel bad for people just trying to play on normal for the story lol. Merciless made it pretty effortless ironically. I think I'm fully convinced that Merciless might actually be easier than Normal mode just because how that fight plays out is how literally every fight plays out
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Sydin posted:Sae making the connection is a bit of a leap and - to be fair - she gets called out by the SIU Director for making a leap in judgement but she brushes him off. It's a leap, but I never got the impression she was particularly confident in it - just that in both cases, a person undergoes an almost immediate shift in behavior (either a mental shutdown, or a confession of their crimes) for no obvious external reason. That's certainly a strange commonality between two very unusual cases.
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radlum posted:That hangout event made me sad; I was torn between dating Hifumi or Makoto and now my headcanon is that they get along but both have crushes on the MC (though I will end up dating Makoto, since I prefer when the MC dates a party member). don't date cops
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Ytlaya posted:edit: People were mentioning how Hifumi could have been in a role similar to Makoto, and I just did an event where I went to the book place with Makoto and ran into Hifumi and they became friends (I like how these hang-out things seem to often involve confidantes meeting each other) There's an event where you help Hifumi pick out a new air conditioner and you end up bumping into Yusuke and Mifune. Yusuke's interaction with Hifumi is amazing. (Plus you get some really hilarious dialogue options.) I would've loved to see more of the two of them unintentionally out-wierdoing each other in that subtle intense eccentricity both of them share while completely missing the irony of the situation.
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Persona 5 Royal: We Date the Cops
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radlum posted:That hangout event made me sad; I was torn between dating Hifumi or Makoto and now my headcanon is that they get along but both have crushes on the MC (though I will end up dating Makoto, since I prefer when the MC dates a party member). You have chosen correctly.
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I did enjoy the new random meet up events the game added. My favorite one was when you go shopping with Futaba and run into Iwai and how quickly they start to bond a while they may be geeks about different things, Futaba can clearly recognize the knowledge and skill that he possesses.
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I just tried to switch to another guide, since this one isn't great at explaining stuff. Found another one, starting on June first. The first hangout is with ryuji. This guide has him up to rank 8 already, mines at 5 (now 6). All of its confidants are higher than mine I guess I chose a bad guide:(
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This game would have been really interesting if Makoto had been the main character. If they ever make a Persona 6 I hope they don't just make a better version of 5. I'd rather have a deconstruction of what Persona is and a challenge of the tropes. The main playable character being fully voiced and not being the fool would be neat.
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I feel like they kinda recognized P5 was the end of the formula. That was the whole point of splitting the team and moving all the senior creative to project re fantasy, sort of a hand-off of future persona projects to the next generation. I hope that means P6 will be a paradigm shift like P2 to P3 was but maybe that's too optimistic. I guess I don't know where or if the development of royal fits into that picture though.
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Also I am in loving love with the menu design and art of jose's shop in mementos. It's loving gorgeous. Why can't this be the dynamic theme 
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JackDarko posted:This game would have been really interesting if Makoto had been the main character. It's interesting you say that because early in the development, Joker kind of WAS Makoto. Mokoto's backstory, living with her prosecutor sister Sae while keeping the Phantom Thief thing secret was Jokers living situation in the prototype builds.
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Akechi was also supposed to be Sae's son at one point. That would have certainly been an... interesting living arrangement. Honestly as much as I love Sojiro and Leblanc and wouldn't want to part with either of them I wonder if the story would be more effective if they'd stuck with the original premise of Joker being taken in by Sae. Then the framing device that takes up a solid 3/5ths of the game would actually be a lot more powerful because instead of it being Sae interrogating a kid she's bumped into 2-3 times, she's interrogating somebody she's been living with and slowly growing to care about for half a year. It would also add some much needed moral ambiguity to what the Thieves are doing since now you'd watch in real time as your actions frustrate and disrupt your guardian's career, start warping her desires, and ultimately give rise to a Palace. The story would need a LOT of tweaking to make it work of course.
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Also it would make her social link make a lot more sense since you no longer have past Joker receiving benefits for things present Joker does.
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Hellioning posted:Also it would make her social link make a lot more sense since you no longer have past Joker receiving benefits for things present Joker does. I don't remember if it was different in vanilla, but in P5R I think I didn't get any Judgement bonus exp for Personas until we caught up to the present.
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arisu posted:I don't remember if it was different in vanilla, but in P5R I think I didn't get any Judgement bonus exp for Personas until we caught up to the present. Yup. You don’t get anything benefit from Sae until the flashback gameplay is completed since they remembered that none of it has technically happened yet. Also, I wouldn’t hold my breath on going too crazy with changes for P6 since P5 became so wildly successful. I could see a spinoff deconstruction and whatnot, but they aren’t going to cut this golden goose apart so easily and rip open the entire base series.
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Hail Saetan.
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If there's anything I'd like to see from P6, it's something more subdued. P4 and P5 have just been ramping up the comedy elements to where it's become borderline slapstick, which is so far removed from the original thing that made me want to try P3 which was seeing that early scene of the shadows exploding from a guy's face. It doesn't need to go all the way into Shadow Hearts realm of horror-game JRPG, but I think if they were to retry something like P3, the significantly better character work they've done since then would really make the experience that much better. Even with P3's god awful social links, the character work among the main party is still the best in the series. Also, if you've now beaten P5 and are looking for something else in a similar vein, Caligula Effect is on Steam and it wants to be Persona very very badly. It takes itself much more seriously (even moreso than P3) but I actually really liked it for what it was - the gameplay is really good and it's like 30 hours long. e: speak of the devil it's actually on sale for 20$ on Steam for the Golden Week sale RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 01:01 on May 1, 2020 |
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Detheros posted:Hail Saetan. Speaking of which, I finally found time to grind mine up to max. What's a good moveset for the three secret bosses? Edit: He's my attacker. I have a near max Maria for my cleric mask. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 01:30 on May 1, 2020 |
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I kind of miss the creepy vibes from Persona 3; I want the next game to be closer to that than the lighter tone of P5.
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