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You should definitely do it, because Never Say is basically A Bond Movie through and through. Looking back on it, it's probably THE most Bond movie I've seen (and I did watch them all). I remembered more scenes of it than from, say, Moonraker, a surprising amount. All of this is due to the fact that Never Say consists only of cliches. Like, there are at least 70% of the movie that you could transplant into any other Bond, and watchers would say "yeaaah this is classic Bond". Never Say is a checklist of Stuff That Needs To Be In Bond, and everything it does on its own is either absolutely terrible or downright disgustingly cringeworthy. The plot is laughable, with probably the biggest example being how long the bad guy keeps Bond around for absolutely zero reason at all. But it's what Bond Villains do, right? The score is so bad that even I noticed and I never pay attention to music. So yeah, do it.
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I don't think I've ever once managed to sit through the entirety of NSNA. You're in for a couple of real treats after View though. Both of these films however? I think they contend for the most aggressively boring Bond films of all time. How you do that with Christopher Walken as the lead villain and a location like San Francisco is beyond me, but they manage it. Like, A View to a Kill isn't even entertaining bad like the lesser Moore flicks, it's just plain boring. And hell if I can remember anything about NSNA no matter how many times I've tried to watch it. man nurse fucked around with this message at 20:33 on May 14, 2015 |
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man nurse posted:I don't think I've ever once managed to sit through the entirety of NSNA. You're in for a couple of real treats after View though. A View To A Kill is the last Bond I watched (or maybe it was OHMSS) after I got a collection as a gift, and I kinda liked it a lot. Not as a Bond movie, but as a comedy  .
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Also it's a little less aggressively misogynistic than many other Bond films, since May Day basically makes up for every lovely Bond Girl by herself.
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chitoryu12 posted:Also it's a little less aggressively misogynistic than many other Bond films, since May Day basically makes up for every lovely Bond Girl by herself. Literally, by trying to surprise Moore with a big black strap-on under the covers when their sex scene was being filmed, although that was the actress and not the character.
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thrawn527 posted:Nah, I'll do it (though in a couple of weeks, taking a trip all of next week). It's not like it could even be the worst Connery movie I've ever seen, considering I've seen League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. LXG has a few cool parts. Same as all the Bond films.
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effectual posted:LXG has a few cool parts. Same as all the Bond films. Nemo, and...Nemo's car?
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Heteroy posted:Literally, by trying to surprise Moore with a big black strap-on under the covers when their sex scene was being filmed, although that was the actress and not the character. Did she really? Grace Jones is a national treasure.
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Since I saw Conan the Destroyer as a child, Grace Jones has excited and terrified me.
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Roger Moore and Grace Jones didn't get on at all during the shooting. What's mainly come out is that she played loud music in her trailer and generally was a bit of a diva, turning up late on set and not gelling well with being rushed for directions. She also got Dolph Lundgren to appear as a KGB bodyguard - they were dating at the time. John Glenn confirms the dildo story - I get the feeling she was having a go at Moore's sensibilities. Moore sidesteps the issue in his autobiography "if you have nothing nice to say about someone, say nothing at all." And keeps to his word.
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thrawn527 posted:Nemo, and...Nemo's car? The villains hammed it up well, I liked the scenes in Africa, some of the lines were amusing, like when invis guy was naked in the snow, action was decent enough at its worst.
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I liked League of Extraordinary Gentleman  . I never read the graphic novel so I had no expectations to be ruined, I guess.
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effectual posted:The villains hammed it up well, I liked the scenes in Africa, some of the lines were amusing, like when invis guy was naked in the snow, action was decent enough at its worst. "Let's take Alan Quartermain, but without his opium addiction. And Mina Harker, but make her a vampire, which means Dracula actually won, I guess. Make sure she's fine with the sun, though. Shooting in the dark gets hard. And Dorian Gray, who became obsessed with looking at his portrait, and make it impossible for him to look at his portrait. And an invisible man, but let's make sure we point out how it's not the Invisible Man. And Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde, and make him Hulk sized. And let's have a line at the end saying our villain was actually Moriarty the whole time, but let's immediately move on and never mention it again, because it doesn't really matter. Oh, and let's toss Tom Sawyer in there, too. Um...we'll make him a U.S. Secret Agent, or something. No one's going to care." I really hate that movie. But yeah, I read the comic, and most of the books the characters came from. So I get kind of nit picky. Nemo was cool, though.
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I just rooted for Dorian Gray the whole time. It's no Moonraker.
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Wizchine posted:I liked League of Extraordinary Gentleman The aspects I dislike about it are common to all of the comic book movies of the era.
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They actually do a lot with the characters in the comic, whereas in the film it's just a bunch of set pieces. Granted the comic is WAY darker in tone, but it still works.
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To be fair that's how it was in the comic book.
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It wasn't as bad as Thunderball? I don't think? Or, I don't know, maybe it is worse? That was one of the most boring things I've ever watched. It had elements of a good movie throughout it, and I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly why I thought was so boring (the music likely doesn't help). But that was just so...dull. Gonna have to ponder that one for a bit.
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Now imagine what the opening could have been: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytZ7YxAva2Q
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thrawn527 posted:It wasn't as bad as Thunderball? I don't think? Or, I don't know, maybe it is worse? Stacy Sutton is the worst Bond girl in my book. She's got to be the most helpless, I think half her lines are just shouting "James!" She does nothing useful and Moore clearly doesn't like her at all.
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WebDog posted:Roger Moore and Grace Jones didn't get on at all during the shooting. What's mainly come out is that she played loud music in her trailer and generally was a bit of a diva, turning up late on set and not gelling well with being rushed for directions. She also got Dolph Lundgren to appear as a KGB bodyguard - they were dating at the time. If you've read his book, you'd know that's typical of Moore. He might be the most British man in history.
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gohuskies posted:Stacy Sutton is the worst Bond girl in my book. She's got to be the most helpless, I think half her lines are just shouting "James!" She does nothing useful and Moore clearly doesn't like her at all. Well, okay, but I watched Never Say Never Again, with Connery and Kim Basinger.
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thrawn527 posted:Well, okay, but I watched Never Say Never Again, with Connery and Kim Basinger. Oh my bad, I forgot you were including non-Eon as well, and just compared it to Thunderball since that one was bad too. Well get ready for a real stinker next time up too. gohuskies fucked around with this message at 03:08 on May 27, 2015 |
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thrawn527 posted:It wasn't as bad as Thunderball? I don't think? Or, I don't know, maybe it is worse? Two words... Nigel Small-Fawcett. In all seriousness, there's a lot wrong with Never Say Never Again, but there are some really good parts in there too compared to the wackiness of the Roger Moore era films. 
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DarkSol posted:Two words... Nigel Small-Fawcett. Right, what the hell was Rowan Atkinson doing in this movie. I had to check IMDb to make sure it was really him.
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Don't forget about that cool futuristic high-tech awesome video game or the most bizarre reason for not killing James Bond when he's at gunpoint. One of things I don't get about the movie is the death of Largo. Why was Domino there? Her shooting him in the original is the only reason I can think of for why it happens here, but because the situation is completely different it makes zero sense. In a series of films where a helicopter picks up a car with a magnet and a midget janitor whistles the theme from a previous film, this one moment more than almost any pulled me out of the movie to ask "why?".
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It was so bad of a movie it killed the thread.
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Testikles posted:It was so bad of a movie it killed the thread. Sorry guys. I really want to write it up. It's a fascinating movie. I just have no time (and these write-ups honestly take like 2-3 hours after I grab screenshots). My plan was to try something this week a little at a time. And to keep me honest, I will post a review by the end of the week. Essentially, I plan to put more effort to writing this review than they did to write the script. This thread may now slow down here and there. But dammit, it will not become an abandoned thread. edit: Actually, I'll do it now. VVVVV thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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 Never Say Never Again I can’t recall if I’ve ever seen a feature length film made out of spite, before this. Hell, I’ve never seen any movie like this. This movie was made as a giant gently caress you from the producers and lead actor to the producers of the Eon Productions Bond films. It’s a remake of a film from 18 years ago, starring the same actor from the original in the same role. It came out the same year as another movie with the same character. I mentioned how weird that was during my write-up of Casino Royale (1967), but as least that was a spoof. This would be like if Chris Pratt ends up playing Indiana Jones for a few films, and then suddenly we get Harrison Ford back in a remake to Temple of Doom. This is not a great film. Make no mistake. But hidden inside of it are some strong moments. They just never really add up to anything fun. Someone earlier posted that it comes off as a Bond movie check list, and that really feels accurate. They knew how to bake the cake because they had a recipe, but there was no love here, no interesting take on how to make a cake. They just followed each step to the letter, and forgot to write an interesting message on the cake (...okay, I’m straining the metaphor here a bit, but you get what I mean).  We open to...directed by Irvin Kershner?! What the gently caress? Maybe I should be giving George Lucas more credit for The Empire Strikes Back than I tend to. Because I have now seen three Kershner movies (the third being Robocop 2), and his track record just keeps getting worse. This is a lazy film too look at. For shame. Anyway, unlike other Bond movies, we have no cold open. Instead the credits play over Bond breaking into a jungle compound to rescue some woman. A luke warm, boring theme song plays over the whole scene. And I’ll get this out of the way now. Connery looks old here, and is clearly past the age where he should be playing Bond. But it actually is part of the plot, which is rather refreshing. For Your Eyes Only is the only Moore movie I can think of that even brings it up, and there it’s only barely touched upon. But here he is an aging Bond that MI-6 is thinking of putting into forced retirement, and we get some notion of whether or not Bond is still relevant, and how he’ll deal with getting older. And this is with Connery being younger than Roger Moore! Maybe I’m in for a surprise and A View to a Kill will also make this part of the plot. But I really doubt it. I appreciate what they’re trying to do, and that they’re not pretending it makes sense for him to still be here.  Anyway, back to the opening, the whole rescue operation ends up being part of a war game, which Bond loses because he fails to recognize that the girl he is there to rescue had turned, and he gets fake stabbed. Apparently the new M has been putting him through the war games for 2 weeks, testing his abilities. Oh, we also get something I hate, which is when a movie shows us people watching footage of what just happened, and they're clearly just watching the movie as we were just seeing it, as if the camera men where there too. Bond feels that war games shouldn’t count against him, because the real thing gives him an edge. M keeps bitching about “free radicals”, and I feel like I’m missing some sort of important historical context to know what the gently caress he’s even talking about. M is sending Bond to a health clinic/spa, and I get my first, “Oh right, Thunderball” of the movie. Quick note that Moneypenny didn’t get to age with Bond, and here is clearly younger than Bond. At the health spa, Bond is getting his check up, and the movie shows us the humor we’re in store for, as a nurse says from across the room that she’ll need a urine sample, and Bond says, “From here?” These are the jokes, folks. And I have to stress, this is only the first urine related joke the movie will throw at us. I’m less than 10 minutes in and I’m already regretting this whole thread. The nurse, naturally, finds this charming, for reasons passing understanding.  We then meet Fatima Blush, played by Barbara Carrera, who is entering a secret meeting (via secret door in a secret vault, which feels more like Get Smart...and for that I can’t hate it) being held by SPECTRE. Specifically Blofeld, here played by Max von Sydow. No, wait, don’t get excited. He’s utterly wasted here. I would love to see You Only Live Twice or On Her Majesty’s Secret Service with Sydow playing Blofeld, but casting him to have him hold meetings is a crime. We get a plot info dump of Blofeld tasking Number 2, who tasks Number 12 (Blush) to take extra care of a Captain Jack Petachi, played by Gavan O’Herlihy, of the US Air Force, who has had an eye operation and will be recovering at the same health spa as Bond. Here is one slight deviation from Thunderball, and Petachi isn’t being replaced by a double, but is apparently being beaten and coerced into working with SPECTRE through the use of threats to his sister, Domino. And the movie is better for it. (Though, it’s still crazy, as apparently the eye operation is to give him an eye identical to the President of the United States.) We rejoin Bond, who is working his seducing game on a physical therapist (again, much better than Thunderball, because he doesn’t rape this one). I actually like Bond sneaking caviar and vodka into the health spa, because of course he would.  After this, Bond witnesses, through a window, Blush beating the absolute poo poo out of Petachi, and goes to investigate. He also sees Petachi having his eye scanned, so he’s onto that part of the plan as well. I actually like O’Herlihy’s performance as Petachi. He’s on edge, freaked out, clearly miserable, and jumps out of his skin any time anything goes wrong. SPECTRE has broken this man, and it shows.  Bond is caught spying on Petachi, but he gets away. As a result, they set out to kill him while lifting weights. A giant of a man (played by the most famous of giant 80’s henchman, Pat Roach) posing as a janitor tries to kill him on the weight machine, but Bond fights him off. We then get was is probably the best (well, only decent) action scene of the movie. They fight through the whole gym, then the whole clinic, destroying everything in their path (which no one else notices, because everyone is watching a fight on TV). Roach (I don’t believe he actually gets a name, so I’ll use the actor’s) is beating Bond in basically every way. He’s stronger, faster, and just better at this than Bond, who is showing his age again here. For a while, everything Bond tries, Roach just easily sweeps aside. Catching Bond’s punch, breaking a knife, tossing a loving bookcase away, etc. It’s honestly pretty great. To the point where I honestly started to wonder how Bond was actually going to get out of this. They end up in a lab of some sort, and Bond throws a mystery liquid into Roach’s eyes, which I assume is some sort of acid or something because Roach starts stumbling and screaming, and think (I don’t know why it’s there, but sure). Then the scene ruins any goodwill it’s built up, when Bond looks at the vial and see it labeled, “Urine sample, James Bond.” What? God dammit, Bond’s piss doesn’t need to be super powered against bad guys! It’s unreal how this ended up in the movie. Crazy poo poo. Anyway, Roach still screaming stumbles back into some shelf, and stumbles over dead, apparently having impaled himself on several syringes and broken glass vials.  While M is yelling at 007 about the destruction, SPECTRE is going about succeeding at their plan, as we now see Petachi infiltrating a military base’s iris recognition security, to, as the President, have two dummy warheads replaces with live nuclear warheads. Which, after launched, are acquired by SPECTRE, which they plan to use to extort billions of...well, you’ve seen Austin Powers, you know. So, as crazy as their plan seemed, it worked perfectly, so who am I to complain? For his troubles, Petachi is, of course, murdered in bizarre fashion. While driving, Blush pulls up next to him and tosses a snake into his car, which causes him to crash. Blush stops to plant a bomb (and grab her snake), killing Petachi for good. Poor son of a bitch. Against his better wishes, M reactivates the double-0 section and tasks Bond with tracking down the missing weapons. Then we get to meet this creepshow.  Maximillian Largo. Was Largo a full on creep in Thunderball? I don’t remember him being this bad. He’s apparently dating Domino Petachi, played by Kim Bassinger, and his favorite activity appears to be watching her do dancercise from the other side of a two way mirror without her knowing. While playing 70’s porn music, and smiling and laughing. It’s just so drat weird and creepy, and makes my skin crawl. Anyway, Largo is a SPECTRE agent, who are, of course, responsible for the death of Domino’s brother, Captain Petachi. We see Largo give Domino a medallion named “The Tears of Allah”, which is says is “the most valuable thing I have ever possessed, besides you.” When says about it being safe with her, “What if I ever leave you?”, Largo says, “Then I cut your throat.” This gets a, “Well that was odd” kind of look from Domino, and she moves on.  While Bond is on the shooting range, Bond meets up with Q (sure his name is “Algernon”, but he’s Q). He gives Bond a small pen with a giant Union Jack on it that shoots an explosive dart. Which will of course be used later. There is also this great moment where he gives Bond a new watch, saying it will keep perfect time, and when Bond asks for how long, Q says, “At least for your lifetime,” while he carelessly tosses aside the old watch. Bond watching the “old model” getting tossed aside so easily gives him a moment's pause, and it’s a better moment than I expected out of this movie. Q also says, “I hope we have some moments of gratuitous sex and violence,” in a clear trailer line.  Bond then heads to the Bahamas, where he meets up with Nigel Small-Fawcett (o...kay movie, on that name), played by Rowan Atkinson. I know very little of Atkinson, outside of Mr. Bean and things like Love Actually and that weird Doctor Who video he did. Was he already a big deal in 1983 and this was a fun cameo, or was this just an early role of his before he was famous? Anyway, Bond meets Blush, and they immediately bang on her boat. Sure, why not.  They then go diving, and Bond is attacked by a shark. If it seems I jumped right into that, it’s because in the movie it just kind of happens. I’m not sure why. I...think Blush knows who Bond is? Eh, anyway, he finds out there was some sort of shark homing device planted on him (as in, it gets the shark to chase him), presumably planted by Blush, and he gets rid of it and gets away. Bond meets some random woman fishing (he met her earlier, but who cares) and they head back to her room. While in bed, they hear an explosion, which is Bond’s room blowing up. They’re all, “Glad we picked your place and not mine,” and get back to it.  Bond then finds out Largo and Domino are heading to Nice, France, and Bond follows, meeting with CIA favorite Felix Leiter, played here by Bernie Casey, and hey, looks like the Casino Royale reboot wasn’t the first time Felix was played by an African American. Bond goes to a beauty salon, where he poses as an employee in order to creep out on Domino, giving her a body massage, looking at her naked under the towel naturally, before getting out of there, leaving her to find out he didn’t work there. It’s uncomfortable, but she smiles about it so I guess it’s alright? The reason for this scene is apparently so he can find out that Largo is hosting a charity event at a casino that evening.  Bond goes to the event (where there are a poo poo ton of arcade games, which feels super out of place, but hey, 80’s) and meets with Largo. There they play a 3-D video game called Domination, which I feel like I should hate for being a lame way to have video games added to Bond movies, but...I actually kind of like this scene. I won’t get into all the details of the game, but it’s like Thermonuclear War from Wargames, all while holding handles that shock the player with increasingly powerful electricity, until the player let’s go and loses. The scene proves to actually be a pretty intense game of chicken and the game, while dated looking, is pretty to look at. *shrug* I don’t know, I like it. It’s unique.  Bond, of course, eventually wins. Bond says Largo need not pay as long as he can have one dance with Domino. Bond decides this dance, in public, is the best time possible to inform Domino that her brother is dead, and that Largo is responsible. He then leaves her with Largo and this knowledge. Super.  Once he returns to his villa, Bond discovers his french contact Nicole has been killed (um, by the way he had a french contact named Nicole. She is completely unimportant). Bond chases Blush from the villa, and we get a motorcycle chase scene, which is hilarious to me, mainly because it’s clear it’s included because Bond has to wear a helmet, and they can get a stunt driver to take care of things, because this is so clearly not Connery. The scene is alright, but mainly serves to show how useless Largo’s lackeys are. Bond dispatches all of them, before finally being captured by Blush, who has him on the ground at gunpoint. Which should have been all there was to it, but Bond gets out of this is the strangest way possible. He says that she was the best he ever had, and was planning on putting her in his memoirs as his “Number One” sexual partner. She says that he’ll have to write his memoirs now, so he should take out a pen and write that down. It’s like, fine, I get it, he has the exploding pen dart thing, but is this really the only way to have him take it out? It’s one of the weakest excuses for using a gadget I’ve seen yet. Anyway, you get it, and he shoots her, and she blows the gently caress up.  Bond and Felix then attempt to board Largo’s yacht, the “Flying Saucer”, in search of the nuclear warheads, but only Bond manages it get on board. Largo and Bond then play a game of Bond being his guest for a while, and I don’t know why. All the cards should really be on the table at this point, and Largo should really kill him, but they keep pretending to be friends, so fine. Bond finds Domino in her dancercise room, and Largo is of course watching them like a creep. Bond turns up the music because he assumes Largo is watching, and Domino shows Bond the “Tears of Allah” medallion from earlier. Bond says he needs her help to transmit a message, but first he needs to provoke a reaction, and starts making out with Domino. Largo, pissed as hell, storms in, but finds they’ve already left. Domino triggers an alarm, letting Bond sneak into the communications room and contact MI-6 with his location.  Largo is then finally done with the pleasantries and captures both Bond and Domino at his base in North Africa. He punishes Domino for betraying him by auctioning her off to some passing Arabs (seen above), because someone decided that was a good idea for this movie to do. It is, again, uncomfortable, for a number of reasons. Bond escapes using a laser in his watch and rescues Domino on horseback from the literal castle they were in by way of terrible special effect of a horse falling. Here, just look at it.  They’re then rescued in the water by Felix and the CIA on submarine, where they realise the Tears of Allah is actually a map of Largo’s underground base (so that was stupid of him). Oh, we also get some mention of the “Washington bomb” being found and defused, so now we just have to worry about one more. Bond and Felix infiltrate the base, and a gun battle erupts (like they always do in these movies) between a faceless army of CIA agents and Largo’s faceless army. The sets here honestly remind me of the caves from the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, only exceptionally cheaper looking. In the confusion, Largo attempts to get away with one of the warheads, but Bond catches and fights him underwater. Slow motion knife fight! Just as Largo attempts to final bomb, Domino comes out of nowhere and shoots him, taking revenge for her brother’s death. Bond defuses the bomb and they leave. Bond and Domino head back to the Bahamas (I guess so they can film there again, because it sure looks nice there) and we get a moment where I think some other henchman is about to attack them at this villa they’re staying at. But it’s just Small-Fawcett again, who is pleading for Bond to return to service for “the civilized world.” Bond says, “Never again,” and Domino says, “Never?” Bond then looks at the drat camera and winks...winks. And we close out with the terrible theme song.  Watching this again for the write-up, I found I don’t dislike this movie. It’s pretty decent, if rather dull. The fight scene is the health spa is pretty great, I like the Domination scene, and Connery, while clearly here for the paycheck, is at least charming. And again, I like that they address his aging head on, and in theory having him retire by film’s end. That being said, the villain is more of a creep than threatening, and the story drags in far too many places. Is it better than Thunderball? I think so, but that’s a pretty low bar. I’m glad I watched it, but I think I may forget everything that happened in a month’s time. And now we have one more outing left for the even older Bond, Roger Moore, in one I’ve heard legend of, and been dreading, since the start of the thread. James Bond will return in A View to a Kill!
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A View to a Kill is dumb, but it's more entertaining (IMO) than NSNA, and it has a main villain played by Christopher Walken.
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You went from Octopussy with a decent Barry score, to Never Say Never Again, which doesn't have anything resembling an actual score, and didn't mention anything about it!
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Darko posted:You went from Octopussy with a decent Barry score, to Never Say Never Again, which doesn't have anything resembling an actual score, and didn't mention anything about it! Right, because I barely noticed it was there. Almost didn't register.
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The score is terrible, and I usually never pay attention to scores (maybe a little more since I started reading a few CD threads). I severely dislike most of this movie, with a few exceptions, it's just terrible in so many ways, much more now than when I first watched it as a child. Largo's supreme creepiness only really comes across when you start to realize how ridiculously manipulative and terrible lines like his "I'll literally kill you if you leave me" are. And she puts up with it, because the writing is just that bad! Blush's death scene is also ridiculously bad, you maybe misremembered it in writing: she tells Bond that she'll shoot his dick off first thing, he taunts her sexual prowess, then she gets all self-conscious and demands of him to write his memoirs right here, right now, putting her as his best ever conquest. It's mental. Though I always remembered the sex scene with her the clearest of all Bond sex scenes, mostly because it's actually a scene, and not a one liner seduction, fade, pillow-talk affair (ha!). Actually, it's far more indulgent than pretty much all Bond sex shown before, and a while after (okay, with Brosnan the ante was upped a lot). So maybe she was indeed his best sex partner! What also especially irked me and what you didn't comment on is the entire ending. They are...somewhere I don't even know, and Largo has the bomb, and he tries to arm it and poo poo, and I fail to see the problem, I really do - it's somewhere on the coast under a desert, right? What are the stakes here, what happens if it does explode? I mean of course, they don't really want a warhead to go off anywhere, but does it really matter that much? SPECTRE's plan has failed spectacularily already, they won't get their money no matter what. Contrary to Octopussy, they never wanted to explode the missiles in the first place, they just want money, so it's not even some looming threat of global annihilation or Soviet dominance or whatever. After Largo's goons are beaten, it's just him and the bomb anyway, he's solo underwater, Bond fighting him alone for a short while is ridiculous (he could have just waited for the army that would eventually come to take care of Largo), and they didn't even think of showing HOW CLOSE TO EXPLOSION HOLY poo poo the bomb timer was - it's still got like 30 minutes at the end, so, whatever?! The movie is terrible, but the ending takes the cake for nonsense. I didn't even mind the Bond Urine of Death, that was at least somewhat interesting and almost funny.
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Jun 8, 2015 17:49
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Thrawn, Yeah, that's part of the reason the movie is so dull when watching. Some parts come out to be completely silent. When you watch a View to a Kill, which is one of the better Barry scores, the crappiness of the film is sometimes covered by the blaring, dramatic score in the background. You'll probably notice that in the ladder/fire scene as the most obvious example. Living Daylights (which is the best Bond score) vs. Licence to Kill (a boring Kamen score) is also a huge back to back difference you may notice.
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Jun 8, 2015 17:50
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I think there could have been one good Thunderball movie made from the ideas. When I was a kid and saw this the magic urine joke was funny, so I still give it a pass today. Blofeld is incredibly unmemorable in this. I often forget that he was in it, and that Max von Sydow played him. I like Klaus Maria Brandauer's Largo though, even if his villain plot isn't handled well. He is very creepy. I also think Fatima Blush is superior to Xenia Onatopp.
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Jun 8, 2015 21:10
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FlamingLiberal posted:A View to a Kill is dumb, but it's more entertaining (IMO) than NSNA, and it has a main villain played by Christopher Walken.
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Jun 8, 2015 21:18
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I've actually read Thunderball the novel and M being a crazy health nut yammering about free radicals like a 2002 infomercial is actually a thing in the novel. It was utterly shocking how modern it felt. As for Rowan Atkinson, this was one of his early roles. He'd done comedy all along, but Mr Bean happened at the turn of the 90s and that's what made him a huge star. Domination is also pretty much the only thing I remember about this movie for how cool yet dated it looked back in the dusty late 1990s when I first saw the movie. And this is avatar material, goddamn. Darko posted:When you watch a View to a Kill, which is one of the better Barry scores, the crappiness of the film is sometimes covered by the blaring, dramatic score in the background. You'll probably notice that in the ladder/fire scene as the most obvious example. Living Daylights (which is the best Bond score) vs. Licence to Kill (a boring Kamen score) is also a huge back to back difference you may notice. So many correct opinions about Bond scores in one post!
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I just assumed Bond's piss was deadly because he's so riddled with venereal diseases.
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