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brian posted:i don't think it did that, I thought it towed the line between dutifully in depth for the competitive crowd while making the whole thing accessible enough for joe public, I got the impression they were always talking relatively to previous games, given the context of pitting it vs moment 37 over and over. on a rewatch i think i see that better. i don't necessarily buy the idea that balancing for spectacle/accessibility is mutually exclusive with competitive play (see: KI, overdone particles aside). sfv definitely has failed at it though.
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Dj Meow Mix posted:i don't necessarily buy the idea that balancing for spectacle/accessibility is mutually exclusive with competitive play Marvel vs Capcom manages to do it. New players can use simple mode and do lots of flashy moves and have a good time. They can even beat lovely players who use normal mode with superior timing and no input whiffs. However, the simple mode does not let you use your characters full potential, to get really good you have to master normal mode. That means there is a flat skill curve at the the bottom (where it belongs) and a steep curve as you approach mastery.
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May 28, 2017 19:00
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Rutibex posted:If Street Fighter 5 is simple mode crap for pubbies than why does anyone play it competitively? Street Fighter 4 still exists, as does many other fighting games. Hi, you must be new to esports.
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May 28, 2017 19:13
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No game that has ever marketed itself on being an esport with its own publisher backed tournament series has been good
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May 28, 2017 19:14
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Pomp posted:No game that has ever marketed itself on being an esport with its own publisher backed tournament series has been good Quake 3 Arena, though obviously long after it actually came out.
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May 28, 2017 19:23
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Pomp posted:No game that has ever marketed itself on being an esport with its own publisher backed tournament series has been good kof14
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May 28, 2017 19:27
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:Quake 3 Arena, though obviously long after it actually came out. Marketed himself as an esport. Q3A became one. darealkooky posted:kof14 kof14 is dead
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May 28, 2017 19:29
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he didn't say "alive", he said "good"
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May 28, 2017 19:30
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I don't think publisher backed tourneys are inherently bad, but more that that there's about 10x more of them than there really need to be and idiots try to run them on day 1 instead of letting a scene grow organically.
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Day/week 1 tourneys are a cool way to see what people have figured out in a short time frame, and then in the following weeks you can see how people work around it. Publisher sponsored tourneys are fine and "Publisher tourney = bad game" is a dumb platitude based on an n of 1 where the 1 is Capcom.
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May 28, 2017 19:39
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darealkooky posted:he didn't say "alive", he said "good" can't be esports if you're dead Brosnan posted:Day/week 1 tourneys are a cool way to see what people have figured out in a short time frame, and then in the following weeks you can see how people work around it. Publisher sponsored tourneys are fine and "Publisher tourney = bad game" is a dumb platitude based on an n of 1 where the 1 is Capcom. I agree. It gets people going, you get to see some interesting picks because people are figuring poo poo out, there's a shot at a blowup...
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May 28, 2017 19:42
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Brosnan posted:Day/week 1 tourneys are a cool way to see what people have figured out in a short time frame, and then in the following weeks you can see how people work around it. Publisher sponsored tourneys are fine and "Publisher tourney = bad game" is a dumb platitude based on an n of 1 where the 1 is Capcom. blizzard, mobas and for a very long time CS:GO are bad too 
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May 28, 2017 19:42
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Overwatch - Whack League of Legends - Whack Dota - Whack Starcraft 2 - Whack Hearthstone - Whack NRS games - Whack
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May 28, 2017 19:58
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It's already established you hate games that came out this millennium or that more than five people play, yes.
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May 28, 2017 19:59
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Bloodline Champions was marketed as a game for competitive players, insofar as it was marketed at all, and was awesome. it's also dead as doornails but what you gonna do
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I guess. My main thing that I think is dumb is companies from day 1 being like "yeah esports competitions!" when it's pretty obvious that their game is a poo poo competitive game. Obviously it's a totally different market that fighting games, but 2K sports has been trying to esports up their latest NBA games and NBA teams have agreed to sponsor virtual teams and make a league it's just like.....why? Who does this appeal to? Would there be anyone in the world trying to play these competitively if you weren't throwing money at it? Probably not. Why in the world would I want to watch virtual NBA teams? Maybe there's a market for it but the whole thing to me screams "old business guys in a room hearing about esports money and trying get at that for their own league while having no understanding of why people are interested in competitive games and what makes them watchable". And maybe that's in the minority, but I anecdotally feel like I'm seeing more and more ads for arbitrary games I've never heard about pushing esports style play/tournaments or whatever and it just feels like the cart's being put in front of the horse a lot of times IMO.
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May 28, 2017 20:03
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Pomp posted:Overwatch - Whack "Me? I'm tight as gently caress!" - guilty gear
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_E5UImoyo&hd=1
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Dias posted:It's already established you hate games that came out this millennium or that more than five people play, yes. I don't get it. I mean, applying this to like Old Man Zand or me or any number of other people might make sense. But Pomp?
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:I don't get it. You all look the same to me. Also I'm just being a jerk.
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I watched this whole fuckin video
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:I don't get it. i'll never not be amazed with people that aren't motivated by the money/esports aspect of the game being okay with sacrificing competitive integrity with accessibility. "this game series is so great and i love it. it would be better if the series was made worse so that I'd have more people to play a bad game with." the amount of people saying this, almost verbatim, with the release of sfv was staggering. not even just the sfv thread here, filled with people that played for 2 weeks, but discussions all over filled with people that played for 2 weeks. how many people still say poo poo like "gg looks cool but i'd rather play sfv and have someone to play against?" i'll post another sirlin classic image to top off this post. the accessibility of your game should be built around good game mechanics, not the other way around. balancing on this edge is not easy and barely anyone gets it right ever Zand fucked around with this message at 22:05 on May 28, 2017 |
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Zand posted:i'll post another sirlin classic image to top off this post. the accessibility of your game should be built around good game mechanics, not the other way around. balancing on this edge is not easy and barely anyone gets it right ever I wonder where he stole that idea.
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Rutibex posted:I wonder where he stole that idea. I'm sure he "read" it somewhere, or as the Japanese would say, he "yomi'd" it somewhere.
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btw nice job today bears
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Brosnan posted:I watched this whole fuckin video same dude owns
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSj8kUoSnc&t=670s
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keyboard supremacy 
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Usf2's replay system cant record matches that take too long. They put some kind of data limit on the uploads Wtf
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Real hurthling! posted:Usf2's replay system cant record matches that take too long. They put some kind of data limit on the uploads capcom owns
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If everyone online is using Evil Ryu, Violent Ken, and Akuma matches shouldn't be taking longer than 50 seconds anyways.
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capcom put out an ultra street fighter 2 "battle tactics" video a couple of days ago going through a few of the changes (which all seem terrible and pointless, like vega can't loving reattach his claw now??? great????) but what really got me was this super turbo's default speed is 3, they slowed it down and tried to pass it off as speeding it up
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why do developers hate fast like there was this whole thing with starcraft's variable speeds too
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the hosed up thing is they know it's what people want to the point where they try and lie about doing it
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:why do developers hate fast Capcom Japan is probably still bitter that USA sped up their game
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absolutely anything posted:the hosed up thing is they know it's what people want to the point where they try and lie about doing it
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Might as well be the tag line for SFV.
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absolutely anything posted:the hosed up thing is they know it's what people want to the point where they try and lie about doing it I had Street Fighter 2 Turbo for SNES, and it let you pick any speed from 1-10. Why don't they just do that?
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Rutibex posted:I had Street Fighter 2 Turbo for SNES, and it let you pick any speed from 1-10. Why don't they just do that? 10 choices is too many.. it would give people option paralysis and they would just turn it off
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