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I’m usually in a drunken weed smoked haze when watching this show, but was it revealed that there were two big ball fAIs before this episode? I was like, how the gently caress did they move that massive thing out of the lobby of that French guy’s building, but then they started referring to it as Solomon so I figured it’s just a second ball, but is it able to communicate with its “brother” or is it just one central AI and the other big ball in the building lobby just a remote login station? If they are two separate AI entities, are they on the same page, or is one working against the other? I’m sure none of this matters and the finale will be 50 minutes of bad sword play between Maeve and Delores, only to realize we’ve been in GTAWorld the whole time and Jesse Pinkman got PTSD from a really intense video game session.
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It was stated in previous episodes that there were earlier attempts before robohome.
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Apr 28, 2020 22:03
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Next season will introduce David in a Westworld/Prometheus crossover.
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They have made it so there are basically no stakes to the robot fights which is a problem, but I will say, I like Maeve's habit of dying. When Musashi-Delores killed her I laughed and said, "haha oh right, that's her thing. Her storyline always moves forward by her dying. That's a really fun little storytelling thing that they do." But when it's everyone.....eh. Sudden Loud Noise fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 22:43
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:They have made it so there are basically no stakes to the robot fights which is a problem, but I will say, I like Maeve's habit of dying. When Musashi-Delores killed her I laughed and said, "haha oh right, that's her thing. Her storyline always moves forward by her dying. That's a really fun little storytelling thing that they do."
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You'd think being copies of the person with the plan they'd be aware of the plan but whoops nope, you betrayed yourself. Also, we 100% know that Serac has a back up Hector because he was in WarWorld sim before they retrieved his pearl.
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Apr 28, 2020 23:03
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Not the Hector that knew Maeve, though. She brings him in once she sees the sphere is connected while printing the body.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:You'd think being copies of the person with the plan they'd be aware of the plan but whoops nope, you betrayed yourself. Real Dolores is the master in their SPI network. She controls who gets what info.
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Apr 28, 2020 23:16
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Yeah, so he's unawakened Hector 1.2 who missed, what, maybe a week's worth of woke time from the end of season 1 and season 2? He gets clued in in 1x11, gets shot in 1x12. He's sitting there bleeding out when Maeve finds him at the Mesa and takes him to Shogun world and up to the gate where ??? It's not so much murder as it is theft of some memories that , tbh, would probably suck to carry. Cojawfee posted:Real Dolores is the master in their SPI network. She controls who gets what info. Scotsloris knew he was cannon fodder and was cool with it. If Charmandernathy was selectively lobotomized that seems like a dumb loose end when you can implant immutable directives. (Yes this presumes that the rules exist beyond what is necessary for the plot at any given moment which is not really this show's thing.) Edit: Haha just realized she opted for 5 disposable clones over her father. Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 23:39
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Anything that occured 2 episodes ago essentially didn't happen. Maybe this whole mess is an experiment in bringing back episodic television.  If none of the pieces fit together... you can show them in any order
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Apr 29, 2020 00:10
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So there's Hale, Bernard, Scottish guy, and Yakuza guy, are we still waiting on what happened to with the last pearl or am I not remembering?
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Apr 29, 2020 00:38
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Apr 29, 2020 00:58
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Bikelores, RIP
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Gunlores
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Gunlores or Dronlores?
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So I've had a theory for a while that the next season is going to be a post-apocalyptic Western, with robots and crazy sci-fi things running around. I think that'd be a lot of fun. So I liked this last episode because everything seemed to be building towards a post-apocalyptic season 4 like i wanted. Then I took a step back and realized nothing made sense in this episode nor was it in any way satisfying unless you're building towards post-apocalyptic Western adventures. So I'm pretty sure that's what they're doing. And that seems like schlocky fun, so there's that. But for real, I'm totally on board with where this appears to be going. A season or two of crazy Western sci fi- Man in Black riding around the actual West hunting robots, burned Heck, let's go full Battle Angel Alita and then they can go into space season 5 and there will be a tournament arc or some poo poo. The worst thing about Season 2 is that it didn't move on. It was stuck in the park and stuck in the concept of mystery boxes and was just kind of pointless. All the twists from season 1 still have relevance and are now basic parts of the setting. The twists from season 2, I can't even remember and don't feel I need to. For all its faults, I appreciate that season 3 is basically high-budget Person of Interest, even if it's almost as incoherent as season 2 when you get down to the details. Keep that poo poo up. Let's shift genres entirely every season. As long as next season is a post-apocalyptic Western.
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gently caress, I’ll take a post apoc western.
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If this is what needs to happen to get New Vegas on the big screen, so be it.
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I'm a fan of the Dolores's diverging, and I buy that Charloris would become too attached/involved with her family, it's like she's reverting to the sweet farmgirl programming as a way of dealing with intense body dysphoria (something you almost never see in bodyswap narratives). I'd like to see more of this kind of character work tbh. She's absolutely going to nuke the world now though.
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I would love to see more of the bitter, deep-fried Halores, but I am afraid HBO can't be bother to do 3 hour deep-fried make up and just instant hand wave her back to dolled up Dolores. Look magic 3d printer and magic WD portable harddrive, they can bring any past actors back. It's science.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I'm a fan of the Dolores's diverging, and I buy that Charloris would become too attached/involved with her family, it's like she's reverting to the sweet farmgirl programming as a way of dealing with intense body dysphoria (something you almost never see in bodyswap narratives). I'd like to see more of this kind of character work tbh. I'm ok with her diverging, I'm not ok with her instantly teaming up with the people who killed her family.
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socialsecurity posted:I'm ok with her diverging, I'm not ok with her instantly teaming up with the people who killed her family. Why do people keep saying this? It reads as more of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type deal. I have no doubt she wants to kill Serac too, it's just that she's even more pissed at Dolores.
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oh but seriously I posted:Anything that occured 2 episodes ago essentially didn't happen. Maybe this whole mess is an experiment in bringing back episodic television. When Maeve shows up, I couldnt help noticing how it was presented as a great character re-introduction. It felt like if you had barely seen her this season you'd go "OH poo poo!". Also, Westworld would be way better if it was all the way episodic.
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Yannick_B posted:When Maeve shows up, I couldnt help noticing how it was presented as a great character re-introduction. It felt like if you had barely seen her Yeah, I kinda like that. If we hadn’t seen Maeve at all in ssn3 and then she just shows up to fight DLRS with a katana it would have been pretty wild. Then of course we’d get a whole episode of Maeve backstory though.
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At this point it’s pretty clear that Caleb was, somehow, part of Chloroformess’ plan from even before he saw her, that or their paths just so happen to cross, leading him to his brainwash chamber.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Why do people keep saying this? It reads as more of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type deal. I have no doubt she wants to kill Serac too, it's just that she's even more pissed at Dolores. Same. I'm wondering if I missed something, which could be the case since the show now actively wants us to not pay attention. I thought Halebot meant she'd burn down the world her own way instead of following vanilla Dolores.
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I think what Serak offered Maeve is to keep Robo society alive in VR. He would transfer all the hosts to a server farm and let their world run in isolation for however long they wanted. This is acceptable to him because then he has total control over them and they do no longer pose a threat to society and his plans for it. This is obviously a less than ideal solution for the hosts because their entire existence is then at the hands of Serak/humanity surviving and keeping the servers running, but it's also a path that avoids war with the humans/collapse of society and all the suffering and misery it would create. Dual Shock on the other hands wants true safety, autarky and access to the real physical world. But that path leads to an unavoidable conflict with humans and risks total extinction of hosts. It's the old survive as a collaborator/slave vs. die in a futile attempt at resistance trope.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Why do people keep saying this? It reads as more of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type deal. I have no doubt she wants to kill Serac too, it's just that she's even more pissed at Dolores. I don't even remember why she's angry at Dolores.
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socialsecurity posted:I'm ok with her diverging, I'm not ok with her instantly teaming up with the people who killed her family. Her family dying was such a lazy creative decision to give some character motivation but not have to write scenes with characters. I offer a world where she successfully hides her family, continues diverging into her own character that loves her family, who then needs to fight Dolores because revolution will hurt the people she cares about. Instead, she wants revenge, a shorthand motivation that leaves her with no interest in the world other than fighting Dolores.
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Does Halores know for sure her human family were killed by Dolores or she was just guessing?
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Why do people keep saying this? It reads as more of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type deal. I have no doubt she wants to kill Serac too, it's just that she's even more pissed at Dolores. Now, if Dale was helping Maeve specifically, that I could buy. Make it clear that Dale has her own plan she believes she can manipulate Maeve into carrying out, and that she isn't really helping Serac, and the story makes a lot more sense. ghostwritingduck posted:Her family dying was such a lazy creative decision to give some character motivation but not have to write scenes with characters.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is loving stupid if the enemy of your enemy just killed the people you cared about the most. It's a lazy excuse to paper over nonsensical character development, not some bullet proof defense. I'm glad we agree
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stephenthinkpad posted:Does Halores know for sure her human family were killed by Dolores or she was just guessing? Well that wasn't revealed in the show so who knows. It seemed like it was Serac in the episode it happened in but this show is incredibly inconsistent this season, in a different way to how it was in Season 2. The Charlotte scene in general was loving weird, just a very dark shot of her talking down a phone and a one liner about what she's doing. That'll probably be all we get for her for the remainder of this season as well. Whoever said this was like reading a wikipedia summary of episodes was somewhat accurate, I'd say it feels like there's straight up missing episodes. It's like Cowboy Bebop where you feel like you're dipping in and out of the characters lives and missing some stuff, except in that show it was part of the freewheeling attitude, there wasn't an overarching storyline in most of the episodes and you never felt like you were missing important poo poo whereas this feels like we're missing poo poo all the time. Some of it is just extremely silly though. Like Caleb and Dolores got on a plane a couple episodes ago, he'd just seen she was a robot and it seemed like they would have some stuff to discuss. The next time we see them, they're on horseback riding out to this blacksite in the middle of nowhere and Caleb is just now asking her what's up. I get they wanted to have a cool backdrop for the exposition but it's still very dumb. thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is loving stupid if the enemy of your enemy just killed the people you cared about the most. It's a lazy excuse to paper over nonsensical character development, not some bullet proof defense. The problem is Dale now has nothing to lose and no one to have a non confrontational conversation with. I think that’s why this season is so rough. None of the main characters have anyone that matters to them. If no one in the show cares about any of these characters, why should we?
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I can't wait until they reveal that the phone call as actually made by a disembodied Hale head created by Serac.
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I don't get this Dale helping Maeve thing, with what Serac loving Dale over and Maeve being an agent for Serac. Is this some Chewbacca reasoning?
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ghostwritingduck posted:The problem is Dale now has nothing to lose and no one to have a non confrontational conversation with. Thinking this through, I wonder how you could give other characters similar levels of attachment. I mean, it's fine if William doesn't have any because his thing is literally ruining everything, but it kinda seems like Caleb should be forming an emotional connection with Dolores. Not even like a romantic one, though perhaps you could still do some fun parallels to the Dolores-William relationship, but some sort of real camaraderie between two people working together towards a common cause. That would require them to actually spell out what Dolores's end goal is though - and perhaps also make the release of the Incite data the big thing this season, which sets up the next season as one where the rules have really changed. All the extra time would be filled with conversations and emotional moments, not anemic action moments.
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ghostwritingduck posted:I think that’s why this season is so rough. None of the main characters have anyone that matters to them. If no one in the show cares about any of these characters, why should we? I was happy with Paul Aaron’s character just being a working class human trying to get by. Then they ruined it by giving him a confusing nonsense backstory. The other characters have all had their stories told and aren’t interesting anymore because the writers are bad. At this point I’m only watching it because of the actors that are propping the show up. Without the A list actors this show would be unwatchable with the exception of 1 or 2 good episodes.
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ghostwritingduck posted:The problem is Dale now has nothing to lose and no one to have a non confrontational conversation with. Anyone or anything. If the show were a representation of something that really happened, the only original character in it would be Dolores. There's really no reason for anyone else involved to be in it in any capacity. I understand why a successful television show would not want to make that move, but everything would make way more sense.
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