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Kleen_TheRowdyDog posted:I went to a therapist for years before I got sober. For me, I needed the fellowship of other people who thought and acted and drank like me, yet had somehow recovered, to muster enough hope to get sober.
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Ocean Book posted:you dont have to believe an immaterial wizard exists to benefit from interacting with something you call god xtians are so clever
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jarvis cocker posted:lord'ds prayer comes up less often than the other one which is mandated by cult rules to be said in every meeting The meetings I ended up going to started by reading the twelve steps and the lords prayer I think, its been a while. I only ever saw one person come in drunk and that was a guy that had over a decade sober and he just sobbed the entire meeting, came back the next week and picked up a new chip. Sad to think that even when sober their lives revolve around alcohol. And yeah the hand holding and chanting at the end was really weird Cosmic Charlie fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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barfoid 4 posted:Gas immediately. first let me tell you how an addict can responsibly use their drug of choice
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have you tried giving your fellow alcoholics lsd to cope with their addiction op?
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Cosmic Charlie posted:Sad to think that even when sober their lives revolve around alcohol. This is the worst part of AA I think, you don't overcome the addiction, you just switch to spending all your time talking about how badly you need a drink/how great it is to be a dry alcoholic. I mean sure sometimes that kind of environment helps to dry someone out in the short term but it's gonna be therapy with a real specialist that actually fixes the underlying causes. Those old crusty dried up drunks in AA are just miserable. And with NA you're just surrounding yourself with top-quality drug connections each time you go to a meeting.
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:This is the worst part of AA I think, you don't overcome the addiction, you just switch to spending all your time talking about how badly you need a drink/how great it is to be a dry alcoholic. you can't cure addiction
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Sep 28, 2014 21:43
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Classic, with that attitude your mental health will surely be on the mend!
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Classic, with that attitude your mental health will surely be on the mend! okay thanks? 
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I don't think you guys understand how AA works. There's an actual organization called AA but all they do is publish the book and help various meetings voluntarily coordinate, but the meetings themselves are completely independent and if there are rules for a meeting they have been set by the people who are attending. Literally any two people can get together and call themselves an AA meeting. Some meetings don't even talk about the steps. The only reason people call their meetings AA is so non-regulars and first time attendees will know the general subject is alcoholism and it's considered socially courteous let people keep their identities private. If you went to a meeting and they said the lord's prayer it's because somebody at that meeting wanted to say it and not enough people objected (maybe the guy was a respected regular or scary looking). It could be that specific meeting or the part of the country you are in has a lot of Christian people. Hating on AA is akin to hating on something like conversation because you had a bad one once.
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plain blue jacket posted:okay thanks? He was being sarcastic. 
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Who What Now posted:He was being sarcastic. please stop drinking Amarcarts posted:I don't think you guys understand how AA works. There's an actual organization called AA but all they do is publish the book and help various meetings voluntarily coordinate, but the meetings themselves are completely independent and if there are rules for a meeting they have been set by the people who are attending. Literally any two people can get together and call themselves an AA meeting. Some meetings don't even talk about the steps. The only reason people call their meetings AA is so non-regulars and first time attendees will know the general subject is alcoholism and it's considered socially courteous let people keep their identities private. The problem is that addicts will weave elaborate narratives as to why they don't need help, this thread has some great examples. "I have it completely under control" is a warning siren that you need to steer clear before you get caught up in the inevitable meltdown that will occur. plain blue jacket fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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plain blue jacket posted:okay thanks? He's being sarcastic because it's pretty loving stupid and not supported by any evidence whatsoever. There are plenty of secular addiction associations that don't use that retarded "I'll always be an addict" bullshit those christmade idiots profuse.
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Nonsense posted:have you tried giving your fellow alcoholics lsd to cope with their addiction op? You laugh but since I started taking LSD I drink far less because alcohol and LSD don't mix very well and I'm usually tripping balls. hth
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i had to go to NA/AA for a weed charge and it was really preachy and all the meetings were held in church buildings and poo poo but this is indiana so i guess its what ya get
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Who What Now posted:Your therapist sucked rear end, and now you're a shittier person for it. Maybe next time try more than one before joining a literal cult. lmao GBS is still full of edgy goobers even after spooky Halloween.
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Let's assume AA is a cult. Why are cults bad in the context of AA? Because they manipulate people into behaving a certain way?
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:This is the worst part of AA I think, you don't overcome the addiction, you just switch to spending all your time talking about how badly you need a drink/how great it is to be a dry alcoholic. Yup, I found that all of the state mandated programs were designed to make money and not do much else, some of the rehabs down here are little more than for profit AA meetings. An old classmate of mine just got out of rehab, is now 25k poorer and will probably be back in jail shortly seeing as shes now both pregnant and using again which is how she got locked up to begin with. This will be the fourth kid to get taken away, just a hosed up situation all around.
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Who What Now posted:Your therapist sucked rear end, and now you're a shittier person for it. Maybe next time try more than one before joining a literal cult.
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Kleen_TheRowdyDog posted:Or, perhaps, AA is able to offer something that a therapist can't provide for alcoholics of a certain variety. Yeah, it's called Christianity.
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Hobohemian posted:Yeah, it's called Christianity.
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Kleen_TheRowdyDog posted:Nah, I don't think so. My sponsor, for example, is Jewish. Further, at the meetings I go to, if someone starts talking about Jesus, one of the old timers will shut them up by saying "Welcome to AA. Please leave your hat and your religion at the door." No one in AA has ever asked me to pray to Jesus, accept Christ in my heart, go to Church, read the Bible, or anything like that. Sorry, my bad. I should have said Abrahamic religiosity.
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OhsH posted:i had to go to NA/AA for a weed charge and it was really preachy and all the meetings were held in church buildings and poo poo but this is indiana so i guess its what ya get me too, so i picked AA because it was close and the people were chill, but they weren't too preachy at this one, it was a house not a church, and i quickly found out they p.much all still smoked weed. then i started forging the papers after a couple weeks.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:Let's assume AA is a cult. because AA doesn't fix anything. AA basically does the equivalent of driving carefully on bald tires instead of getting new ones and actually being safe aka treating the underlying issues instead of just being forever a member of AA. also like every single person at the meeting last night smoked cigarettes so thanks for giving me cancer instead of just being a mean drunk i guess
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FordPRefectLL posted:because AA doesn't fix anything. AA basically does the equivalent of driving carefully on bald tires instead of getting new ones and actually being safe aka treating the underlying issues instead of just being forever a member of AA. This is pretty much the perfect analogy.
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wow i had no idea aa is basically a huge scam that has taken over the country. i knew about the retarded religious stuff but drat that bullshit is doing an incredibly amount of harm and no one even says anything
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Hugh Malone posted:me too, so i picked AA because it was close and the people were chill, but they weren't too preachy at this one, it was a house not a church, and i quickly found out they p.much all still smoked weed. tbh i went to the NA one because i still had some residual issues from my old pill abuse that i was happy to talk about to strangers so i think i got somethin out of it VVVVV ya p much this vOv OhsH fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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FordPRefectLL posted:because AA doesn't fix anything. AA basically does the equivalent of driving carefully on bald tires instead of getting new ones and actually being safe aka treating the underlying issues instead of just being forever a member of AA. also like every single person at the meeting last night smoked cigarettes so thanks for giving me cancer instead of just being a mean drunk i guess I'm not saying the court should force people to go there, but it definitely works for some people.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:I'm not saying the court should force people to go there, but it definitely works for some people. i cum a lot and i am sober is that a thing we should recommend
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FordPRefectLL posted:i cum a lot and i am sober is that a thing we should recommend Do you not think going to meetings and discussing your alcoholism with other alcoholics as sort of mutual support group isn't in any way benficial?
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Amarcarts posted:I don't think you guys understand how AA works. There's an actual organization called AA but all they do is publish the book and help various meetings voluntarily coordinate, but the meetings themselves are completely independent and if there are rules for a meeting they have been set by the people who are attending. Literally any two people can get together and call themselves an AA meeting. Some meetings don't even talk about the steps. The only reason people call their meetings AA is so non-regulars and first time attendees will know the general subject is alcoholism and it's considered socially courteous let people keep their identities private. the problem is a shitload of programs are based on the 12 steps model, which is completely worthless to most people and even harmful, as it teaches that its your own fault that you relapse and most people just end up even more depressed
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Kleen_TheRowdyDog posted:Or, perhaps, AA is able to offer something that a therapist can't provide for alcoholics of a certain variety. What? A place to make friends? Maybe just go out and make some? -EDIT- Jimbo Jaggins posted:Do you not think going to meetings and discussing your alcoholism with other alcoholics as sort of mutual support group isn't in any way benficial? Sure, but it isn't a treatment in and of itself. Any people who stay on the wagon did it because they had the will to do it, in spite of everything AA tried to tell them. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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They're totally religious, OP.
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:Do you not think going to meetings and discussing your alcoholism with other alcoholics as sort of mutual support group isn't in any way benficial? It's cool but also AA has a lot of stupid crap. Not even religion but weird untested beliefs about alcoholism. Peace.
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Thug Lessons posted:It's cool but also AA has a lot of stupid crap. Not even religion but weird untested beliefs about alcoholism. Peace. What like?
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:What like? There's a ton but people will tell you stuff like "alcoholics don't have any friends, they just have drinking buddies". Also it's impossible to stay sober if you don't keep going AA, people who claim otherwise are just "dry drunks" who will inevitably relapse. And you really shouldn't be around alcohol period because it's too tempting for any alcoholic to resist. (These kind of beliefs, I think, persist mainly to perpetuate AA rather than help its members). I come from a family full of alcoholics and am friends with alcoholics and most if not all of them defy these claims even if they're grateful for the help they got from AA. It's good there's something out there that's free and has the potential to help people but it's unfortunate it comes with a lot of bullshit with the potential to actually do harm.
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Thug Lessons posted:There's a ton but people will tell you stuff like "alcoholics don't have any friends, they just have drinking buddies". I've known alcoholics who drank so much that they only friends they had left were just drinking buddies, and alcoholics that couldn't handle being around any alcohol ever. And I've known more alcoholics that never got to that level for either. Every person is an individual and it's pretty dumb to condemn an organization that by definition of being an organization has scenarios to cover all bases. Your friends aren't "doing AA wrong" by choosing the parts that are helpful to them. That's just stupid as hell.
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