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What should I play next in the C&C Universe? This poll is closed. |
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| Twisted Insurrection |
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8 | 8.00% |
| Mental Omega |
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12 | 12.00% |
| Renegade X |
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| The next official C&C game |
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56 | 56.00% |
| Other [Thread's choice] |
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4 | 4.00% |
| Total: | 100 votes | ||
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Nod infantryman, patrolling a narrow corridor deep in the bowels of a massive cargo ship: "Watch for snipers." E: New video on previous page!
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May 26, 2021 04:47
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SoggyBobcat posted:Nod infantryman, patrolling a narrow corridor deep in the bowels of a massive cargo ship: "Watch for snipers." Havoc, throwing back jagermeisters at the bar. "And then there was this one time I crossed a Black Hand soldier in between doors of this ship, so I plugged him with 3 rounds from my sniper rifle. Point blank! Did I mention I shot him left-handed?" The bartender groans again...
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May 26, 2021 05:03
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This level features the first of two otherwise multiplayer only weapons in the hands of an npc: the shotgun. I can see why they'd want to introduce it in this fairly compact indoors level but decided against it because the low ammo capacity would lead to lots of awkward reloads at point blank range. The map layout is indeed confusing but gets somewhat easier if you visualize it sideways as a grid: The ship is laid out in rows of compartments and columns of decks. Most decks beside the red keycard return path from the bridge to the submarine pool are all connected within their compartment. There are indeed 4 helicopters, though only the last one will attack you/has an objective for you to kill it. As to the nature of the ship, between the submarine dock and there being weapon systems all over the so called "cargo ship", I'd assume that is a deliberate misrepresentation by NOD to disguise the fact that it's used as mobile helipad and submarine base. The only cargo containers on the deck are arrayed in a hollow figure 8 around the helipad and SAM launcher to obscure them from view. Lastly, there's a funny typo in the subtitles at the end of the mission: 
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May 26, 2021 13:42
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For some reason I always thought the grenade launcher was multiplayer only as well. Might have to do with how I only remember getting lost in this level and one time accidentally sequence breaking it by going through a locked door the moment an enemy walked through it. If you told me half of all players quit playing in this mission I would believe you.
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May 26, 2021 14:14
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Clearly Havoc is into BDSM play, which involves dressing up as pre-1920 naval ships. Also fighting chefs are probably a reference to the fact that ex-Navy SEALs are routinely given jobs as cooks on board boats and/or trains. Kangra fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 21:02
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Kangra posted:Clearly Havoc is into BDSM play, which involves dressing up as pre-1920 naval ships. Boarding Deep Sea Machines, hell yes.
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May 26, 2021 21:10
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Don't kink shame Havok's sub play, OP 
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May 26, 2021 21:27
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Somehow the first time I played this level I managed to lock myself in one of the higher-security level areas before picking up the second or third keycard, I think an enemy opened up one of them and I managed to get through before it closed without noticing. I ended up getting stuck for the better part of an hour trying to figure out how to get back to main path before having to give up and restart the mission.
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May 26, 2021 22:16
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kvx687 posted:Somehow the first time I played this level I managed to lock myself in one of the higher-security level areas before picking up the second or third keycard, I think an enemy opened up one of them and I managed to get through before it closed without noticing. I ended up getting stuck for the better part of an hour trying to figure out how to get back to main path before having to give up and restart the mission. My personal memory is that I somehow managed to softlock the level by doing the objectives in an unexpected order, which apparently prevented the objectives from updating or something important from spawning.
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May 26, 2021 23:41
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Thats literally what happened to me too 
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May 27, 2021 00:06
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That flamethrower exists for various culinary purposes, the crèmes brûlées and meringues require it.
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May 27, 2021 02:23
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SIGSEGV posted:That flamethrower exists for various culinary purposes, the crèmes brûlées and meringues require it. From 30 feet away?
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May 27, 2021 02:28
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Dale-Taco posted:From 30 feet away? Say what you want but the Brotherhood of NOD still observes COVID-19 restrictions wherever possible.
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May 27, 2021 02:39
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Dale-Taco posted:From 30 feet away? Time saving measure, get an entire batch for a whole mess serving done in a single minute!
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May 27, 2021 03:17
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Also, I think the "updating radar flags" is the small radar adding new enemies due to z-level differences. So as you ascend to the upper decks it displays upper deck enemies that weren't shown while you were downstairs.
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May 27, 2021 09:52
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PurpleXVI posted:My personal memory is that I somehow managed to softlock the level by doing the objectives in an unexpected order, which apparently prevented the objectives from updating or something important from spawning. Same here, really disliked this level, remembered just wandering around lost gunning down respawning enemies for a solid hour or so. Least the music is a nice remix of the C&C1 Industrial song though, only thing that is chill about this darn level, although the endlessly overlapping voice clips of enemies is at least kinda silly. Do like the dedication of that Technician though, friend gunned down and still just cleaning up Tiberium sludge, hoping beyond hope that pesky commando just leaves.
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May 27, 2021 11:44
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Man, I don't remember ANY of these levels past the first two. And I know I played further than this because we still haven't done the other level I remember.
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May 30, 2021 17:50
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FoolyCharged posted:Man, I don't remember ANY of these levels past the first two. And I know I played further than this because we still haven't done the other level I remember. based on what I remember from Renegade there are a great number of forgettable levels. It seemed to be a thing in FPS campaigns at the time; they had good ideas for like 4 missions but also put in another 12. I can think of several of Renegade's peers which did this too.
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May 30, 2021 21:04
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FoolyCharged posted:Man, I don't remember ANY of these levels past the first two. And I know I played further than this because we still haven't done the other level I remember. Honestly forgot that the volcano/ship level was this early, could have sworn that there was another level at least before them. Then again, the 2nd level IS pretty monstrous in size soooo...
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May 31, 2021 09:04
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Renegade might honestly be the C&C game that has aged the worst. I still enjoy it enough that I played through it again a couple years back.
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May 31, 2021 09:45
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Mission 05: Deadly Reunion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tvbj5LDVh8 Renegade 05: Deadly Reunion  After making up for earlier loses with the return of several GDI prisoners from the [REDACTED] Nod Freighter, Havoc immediately jeopardizes the Commando team DEAD-6 by invoking cliche tropes, causing the potential death of all his ex-teammates. In true Havoc fashion, he proceeds to reveal his position and get more friendlies killed when his chopper is destroyed.  Location: Unknown, France Objective: Locate and Rescue the Author's note: Now we're getting into truly long maps, with tons of units all over, hiding in wait to murder you. I had to cut out two major portions thanks missing an objective.   Name: Nick Parker Aliases: Havoc, Five Alive Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Commando Voiced/Played by: Wally Wingert Havoc is a Commando within the Global Defense Initiative's forces, ready and willing to take any fight to the Brotherhood of Nod. Commandeers (un)friendly vehicles in record time. Delivers terrible one-liners on purpose, or so he claims. Has a thing of Sakura. Learned to shoot left-handed, for sport.  Name: BGen Locke Aliases: None Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Commander of the Global Defense Initiative Special Forces Voiced/Played by: David Lodge The commanding officer for Havoc and other Special Forces, Brigadier General Locke displays an excellent sense of patience and decor, especially in the face of the more unruly members he commands. Chief officer of GDI Special War Operations, Brigadier General Adam Locke began his military career in the British Army. Locke has commanded Havoc for two years running.  Name: Nigel Grant Aliases: Gunner, The [REDACTED] Gun Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Member of Dead-6 | Weapons Expert Voiced/Played by: Andre Sogliuzzo Future Majima expy, Gunner is the weapons expert for the tutorial. Stands 5'10" tall and weighing 74kg, according to what I can make out of his bio. Nigel Grant was born on the wrong side of London. Nigel was seconded to GDI through the British SBS (Special Boat Services), the British equivalent of the American Navy SEALs.  Name: Shai Aviv Aliases: Hotwire Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Member of Dead-6 | Vehicle Expert Voiced/Played by: Unknown Hotwire is the vehicle expert for the tutorial. She's supposedly dead, standing 5'10" tall and weighing 74kg, according to what I can make out of her bio. Shai Aviv is a tough-as-nails commando and a woman of few words. She came to GDI from the MOSSAD, where she served with distinction.  Name: Erich Wulfe Aliases: Patch Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Member of Dead-6 | Explosives Expert Voiced/Played by: Unknown Patch is the explosives expert of the Dead-6 team. Stands 5'10" tall and weighing 74kg, according to what I can make out of his bio. Born in Berlin, Erich Wulfe found himself street-wise at an early age. He came to the attention of GDI as a member of the GS9, a German paramilitary/counter-terrorist organization.  Name: Dariel MacInnis Aliases: Deadeye Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Member of Dead-6 | Expert Marksman Voiced/Played by: Unknown Patch is the explosives expert of the Dead-6 team. Stands 5'10" tall and weighing 74kg, according to what I can make out of his bio. Originally from Scotland, Dariel MacInnis was involved with the Special Air Service before joining GDI. He is a top marksman, with a nearly flawless strike record from 200 meters and beyond.   Babushka Weapon: None Purpose: Resistance Leader Members of the resistance call her Babushka, Lola Merkova has been a town figurehead for many years.  Mendoza Weapon: Flamethrower Purpose: Assassin Carlos Mendoza joined NOD when his methods became too bloody for even the most extreme extremists. He is loyal to Raveshaw and the Brotherhood, provided money doesn't run out.  Flame Tank Weapon: Twin Flamethrowers Purpose: Anti-Personnel Vehicle Though inefficient as a long-range assault unit, the Flame Tank is devastating in close quarters and narrow alleyways. Destroy it with rockets at range. Aftermath:  We all got to witness this beautiful man. [DEATHS: 06]
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Jun 1, 2021 02:56
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..They're all the exact same height and weight?  E: So that little piece of the map around 12:23... that's straight up copied from cs_italy. Wow. THE BAR fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 08:49
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THE BAR posted:..They're all the exact same height and weight? GDI has VERY exact hiring requirements for their Special Forces. Also, the intro to this mission with the Flame Tank burning down all those civilians is a massive nod(no pun intended) to the Flame Tank intro from C&C1, right down to the architecture and overall design of the buildings. Sadly, as shown, the Flame Tank in Renegade is a far cry from the murder machine it was in C&C1, as its' flame jets just have such inconsistent hitboxes to render it almost worthless vs infantry aka, the main thing it is supposed to counter. Did like how Mendoza just kind of no-clipped down through the ground though at his little "ambush" at the crashed chopper. Speaking of those, man, both GDI and NOD's military budget must be crying from all these lost choppers every single mission. Interesting that this mission takes place in France though, guess taking the path to assist Ukraine vs Germany is canon then. 
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Jun 1, 2021 09:42
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I can imagine the attack bike maybe didn't get implemented because it's a two-wheeled vehicle, it seems different enough from everything else that it would require a decent amount of work to make work satisfyingly.
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Jun 1, 2021 12:03
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And this was the other level I remembered. It's very evocative of the French resistance stuff in the ww2 dominated media of the time.
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Jun 1, 2021 15:18
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I know you announced it in advance, but was cutting yourself off at 24:40 in the middle of your sentence intentional? And yes, from what I understand the Flame Tank is supposed to be NODs equivalent to the Mammoth in this game, but it *really* doesn't compare. At least it has a lot of armor?
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Jun 1, 2021 16:25
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Nuramor posted:I know you announced it in advance, but was cutting yourself off at 24:40 in the middle of your sentence intentional? Yeah, there wasn't a really good spot to cut. 
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Jun 1, 2021 17:11
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The surprise snipers were definetly my number 1 cause of death back when I played this. The second was turning a corner and taking a rocket to the face. IIRC the health/armor upgrades are +5 on normal difficulty, along with 100 base health/armor, and then hard difficulty reduces everything by 25%. (Of course, given my recollection of how elevators worked, this should probably be taken with a grain of salt.)
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Jun 1, 2021 17:58
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PurpleXVI posted:I can imagine the attack bike maybe didn't get implemented because it's a two-wheeled vehicle, it seems different enough from everything else that it would require a decent amount of work to make work satisfyingly. The recon bike is actually in the game engine if you re-enable it, looking exactly like the one in the cutscene. It's a lot of work, but you can mod any vehicle spawn point to replace it with a bike and it's fully drivable. I've not done it myself, but I'm told you quickly realise why Westwood disabled it - absurdly fast, but doesn't feel like a bike at all.
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Jun 2, 2021 15:59
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Theres a comment on the video stating its as driveable as the light tank. So not at all
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Jun 2, 2021 17:04
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Theres a comment on the video stating its as driveable as the light tank. So not at all I have a theory about the weird handling of the light tank. I'll talk about it more when we get to the relevant mission.
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Jun 2, 2021 19:42
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i've never had any trouble with the handling of the light tank, and also i have never driven it facing forwards ever since i found the camera option that lets you actually rotate the dang turret and camera all the way around. backwards tanks > forwards tanks
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Jun 2, 2021 22:26
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I think the game intends you do visit the chateau escapee before dealing with the obelisk because the new weapon is amazing against helicopters.
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Jun 3, 2021 00:33
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Mission 06: The Grip of the Black Hand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QUrFEVE6fY Renegade 06: The Grip of the Black Hand With the town and Cathedral secured, Havoc takes it upon himself to go on a rescue mission, alone, of the GDI Tiberium Experts. The upcoming stealth mission will require the utmost patience, care, and silence to successfully complete, qualities that a man like Nick "HAVOC" Parker is surely well suited for! Location: Unknown, France Objective: Locate and Rescue the Author's note: Despite having a crack team of Commandos at our disposal, Havoc absolutely need to go on a rescue mission by himself. I also miss two tertiary objectives that I only just learned about, one for a 2nd allied personnel, and another for a secret cache of weapons. Name: Nick Parker Aliases: Havoc, Five Alive Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Commando Voiced/Played by: Wally Wingert Havoc is a Commando within the Global Defense Initiative's forces, ready and willing to take any fight to the Brotherhood of Nod. Commandeers (un)friendly vehicles in record time. Delivers terrible one-liners on purpose, or so he claims. Has a thing of Sakura. Learned to shoot left-handed, for sport. Name: Nigel Grant Aliases: Gunner, The [REDACTED] Gun Affiliation: GDI Occupation: Member of Dead-6 | Weapons Expert Voiced/Played by: Andre Sogliuzzo Future Majima expy, Gunner is the weapons expert for the tutorial. Stands 5'10" tall and weighing 74kg, according to what I can make out of his bio. Nigel Grant was born on the wrong side of London. Nigel was seconded to GDI through the British SBS (Special Boat Services), the British equivalent of the American Navy SEALs.  Ceiling Camera Weapon: None Purpose: Security Camera Ceiling Cameras are frequently hooked into internal security systems. Avoid prolonged exposure to prevent setting off alarms.  Ceiling Gun Weapon: Automated Machine Gun Purpose: Stationary Turret A difficult to spot and deadly target, the Ceiling Gun is a mounted menace. The target acquisition time for these weapons is slow, so try to eliminate them before they get adjusted. Aftermath: One of three of the GDI scientists rescued; the Black Hand Assassin, Mendoza, is KIA; Former Dead-6 member, Sakura, is MIA. [DEATHS: 06]
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Jun 7, 2021 19:02
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So what actually happens if they trigger an alarm? Instant mission over or just a lot of dudes to kill?
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Jun 7, 2021 21:28
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PurpleXVI posted:So what actually happens if they trigger an alarm? Instant mission over or just a lot of dudes to kill? I believe that enemies spawn in, but I forget if I've seen it mentioned in the guide. An alarm being triggered does call enemies to your location, at the very least. Edit: The Guide states it triggers a wave of reinforcements in the entry for the "weapon" but no mention is made for the mission specifically.
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Jun 7, 2021 22:45
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Did you skip the library because you want to show off the new weapon in a later mission or just that guide lacking info on tertiary objectives again?
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Jun 8, 2021 15:04
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My memory of the order of these missions is all off. I thought this one happened a lot later and several ones we haven't seen yet are way earlier...
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Jun 8, 2021 15:22
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Asehujiko posted:Did you skip the library because you want to show off the new weapon in a later mission or just that guide lacking info on tertiary objectives again? I literally missed the two other tertiary objectives, both times I played this! We'll see the new weapon soon enough, though, so its not an issue.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:23
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I enjoy the little touch of Raveshaw having a statue of himself - but taller - in front of his mansion.
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Jun 8, 2021 16:44
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