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Tunicate posted:IIRC there are a couple passages people were particularly upset about and they ended up being ones that were purely jordan's work This is the thing that I remember most about the Sanderson WoT criticisms, mainly because it's just so drat funny.
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NikkolasKing posted:I remember last time I was musing about somebody having to continue ASOIAF after GRRM died and the consensus on here was Sanderson's finishing up WOT was not very good. Sanderson isn't everyone's cup of tea, which is fine. But I liked the ending of WoT just fine, and the whole of Memory of Light was just one massive Sanderlanche from beginning to end. I think Harriet actually picked him not just because of Mistborn but because she also read the eulogy he wrote for her husband: https://www.brandonsanderson.com/euology-goodbye-mr-jordan/ Finishing WoT was what made him massive, not just doing well in his own right. So many people finished WoT, was satisfied and then went looking for something else he had written. That's how I ended up reading The Way of Kings as my first Sanderson book, then Words of Radiance, before back tracking to every single other title in his catalogue that was out at the time. NikkolasKing posted:My memory of when i brought up ASOIAF continuing on after GRRM is that a lot of folks said something to the effect of "Sanderson tried to continue a franchise after the original author died and LOOK HOW THAT WENT." mewse posted:e: As for completing ASoIaF, I don't think Sanderson has the sensibilities for the amount of treachery that GRRM writes. I'd look to someone like Mark Lawrence (who is not GRRM either, obv, but probably capable of closing out the plot lines in a better way than the show runners did) Torrannor posted:And it's only natural that when people muse about somebody having to continue ASOIAF after GRRM died to mention Sanderson, since he's the only author I know who finished a fantasy series after the original author died, and did this in a way that provided an adequate conclusion of the story. Sanderson is on record as saying that he'll NEVER agree to finish ASOIAF, because he's simply not the right person for it: Brandon Sanderson posted:But the point is moot, as I wouldn't say yes to finishing ASOIAF, if asked. (And I don't think they'd ask me.) I'd respectfully decline. I wouldn't be right for the job for many reasons. I wouldn't want to put in the content that the series has, and part of that is due to my religious faith, part of it is just who I am. I don't shy away from difficult material, but I prefer not to get explicit. Honestly, when I read it in George's work, I often just cringe. I don't think it fits in prose; I think it looks tacky. But that's almost 100% due to the my religious leanings. I realize that others don't read such scenes in the same way as I do. He hasn't even read past the first book of the series: Brandon Sanderson posted:I'll admit, I haven't read the entire ASOIF. I read the first book, and while I though the writing was excellent (I've enjoyed a lot of George's short fiction) I found the experience too much for me. It didn't feel realistic so much as, "Look how much I can build someone up before I destroy them." Which is an absolute art--it's using emotion in a very powerful and clever way. But I feel that he's often doing things to shock and surprise, precisely because they'd be too pessimistic for an ordinary fantasy series. (Indeed, his series feels like distinct reaction and contrast to the cozy fantasy stories of the eighties.) Brandon Sanderson posted:As I said, I read the first one, which is not uncommon for me. There are a TON of series where I read only the first, even if I like them. Because there are a lot of people writing great fiction, and I feel that it's important to keep tabs on what everyone is doing, so that I can learn from them. Recently, I read the first of the Expanse, and despite enjoying it a lot, I don't know when/if I'll have the time to get the second. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4uwjq9/spoilers_everything_twow_isnt_coming_this_year_is/d6lotl1/?context=3
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:Sanderson admitted that he got Mat's voice wrong in The Gathering Storm but I think he did a good job correcting it after that. I honestly think he gave new life to the series as it felt like RJ was spinning his wheels the last few books. I was very satisfied with the ending. I did a reread this year for the first time since the last book came out and I noticed Sanderson's touch even less than the first time through. Not perfect but you can't ask for a much better ending when the author has died. He admitted that back during TGS e: read that wrong, thought you meant you saw him say that just now.
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On the last 5%/10% of Oathbringer and ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccck man, so god drat good. It’s going to be hard to not immediately jump into RoW but I need to knock out Expanse book 9 otherwise my friends will never forgive me.
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Also, speaking of Wheel of Time, I got an ad for the WoT TV show while watching a Twitch stream. It was the worst commercial I've ever seen. "One of you will be the chosen one to stop the dark one who will end the world" Could you make it sound more generic? I'm sure there's a lot mrore going on than this but the point of an ad is to entice me to watch and Srereotypical Fantsy 101 does not succeed at that. That commercial could describe Mistborn as much as this Whee lof Time series.
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NikkolasKing posted:Also, speaking of Wheel of Time, I got an ad for the WoT TV show while watching a Twitch stream. The show is good btw
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RC Cola posted:The show is good btw It started strong but is making some baffling deviations from the source material that are quickly souring me on it. And ogier look like poo poo.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:It started strong but is making some baffling deviations from the source material that are quickly souring me on it. And ogier look like poo poo. Which ones didn't make sense? Shoot me a PM or take it to the wheel of time book thread I guess if you want. I've only reread the series over a dozen times so maybe I just enjoy the series though
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Speaking, if I love Sanderson is it safe to say I’ll like the WoT books?
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 21:38 |
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Louisgod posted:Speaking, if I love Sanderson is it safe to say I’ll like the WoT books? Maybe. The wheel of time is more wordy. In a way I like, some don't. Each book also spends time recapping the series, which some dislike. I highly recommend it though. 14 books. The highs are amazing. The lows are well written. The payoff is fantastic.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 21:40 |
yeah it's very different but it's also one of those foundational modern high fantasy things that sanderson's writing is both indebted to and reacting against
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Louisgod posted:Speaking, if I love Sanderson is it safe to say I’ll like the WoT books? Just bear in mind that it was revolutionary for its time, but if you're only diving into it now, you may find some things quite offputting. It is a super influential work though, and I genuinely enjoyed it. Also you don't have to wait for the conclusion, and the whole last book is all Sanderlanche, which IMO is 100% worth it.
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I love sanderson but for whatever reason I was just not into WoT, I slogged through the first book and had zero interest in the second so I stopped there. I like the show a lot more than what I read, it kicks rear end so far.
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Louisgod posted:Speaking, if I love Sanderson is it safe to say I’ll like the WoT books? eke out posted:yeah it's very different but it's also one of those foundational modern high fantasy things that sanderson's writing is both indebted to and reacting against Agree with eke; I started with Sanderson and fell in love with him for the concrete magic systems. I picked up WoT because he finished the series, and I enjoyed it significantly less than anything Sanderson has written. Even the most devout fans will refer to the middle of the series as "the slog" I'd say at least check out the first book, as it was written with a 'complete enough' ending in case a sequel didn't get approved and if you like it, well, then carry on. If not then at least you tried. e; I'm also enjoying the show, because it's much faster paced / cuts out a lot of the bloat
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RC Cola posted:The show is good btw Since episode 4 it's been letting me down, and I just can't forget that someone said it has a xena vibe because that feels so on the spot. It's not yet been able to make me suspend disbelief when watching it. Episode 6 was another dud for me and it was so hyped beforehand. If it wasn't specifically about the WoT books I don't think I would keep watching.
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RC Cola posted:Which ones didn't make sense? Shoot me a PM or take it to the wheel of time book thread I guess if you want. In no particular order : Giving Perrin a wife to kill immediately. Skipping Caemlyn entirely. Healing Mat of the dagger poison in 3 seconds when the books made it explicitly a big deal that happens much later on in the series. The entire episode dedicated to Logain. Moraine can make gateways? Moraine and Siuan are loving? The ways are opened using the one power now? Like I get some of the narrative reasons for making these choices but I'm disappointed in a lot of them. They're skipping Min and Elayne and Elaida etc until they're ready to be more major characters instead of one off casting choices that may not be available in the future. Makes sense. But some of it feels like maybe the writers only paid attention to the first two or three books and ignored the rest.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 22:36 |
of that list only the perrin change is actually bad and some of the rest is good as hell or just things i'm pretty sure you misunderstood (there's no way mat is fully healed, it's going to be just like the books where moiraine temporarily warded off its influence; she can't make gateways there was a specific ter'angreal that goes to one place; min is coming next episode)
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 22:49 |
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Hello, I created the WoT thread so that this discussion could stop derailing the Sanderson thread, please go there
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Seems to me that mentioning WoT in the thread title here virtually invites discussion about it
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 23:05 |
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For the books yeah, for the shows it probably makes sense to draw the line there. At least until the show hits whichever books Sanderson wrote.
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# ? Dec 11, 2021 23:11 |
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If you like Sanderson and are wondering if WoT is for you, here are some (completely skippable if you don't care) things you should know:
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DarkHorse posted:And lots of arms being crossed under ample bosoms. Ample bosom girls make the wheel go round
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DarkHorse posted:[*]Speaking of his wife, she was his editor and while undoubtedly whip smart she may have let Jordan get away with too much wordiness and meandering plotlines. And inclusion of his spanking kink. And lots of arms being crossed under ample bosoms. [/list] M_Gargantua posted:Ample bosom girls make the wheel go round The amount of spanking kink in the WoT books cannot be understated. It is ubiquitous. Also the WoT vibe summarized in gif form: mewse posted:Hello, I created the WoT thread so that this discussion could stop derailing the Sanderson thread, please go there Anyway to contribute something more on topic - Sanderson actually did NaNoWriMo for the first time in a very long time, working on the first half of Skyward 4: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sanderson/comments/r6orfn/final_sandowrimo_checkin/ His final word count was 51k, on top of a book launch, a family vacation and a bunch of other stuff. Another 50k words to go to finish off the 1.0 draft of Defiant and then he's going into Stormlight 5. I'm looking very much forward to the State of the Sanderson next week. I wonder how many surprises will be in there this time.
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I only watched the first WoT episode but it had a braid tug in the first three minutes so I assume the rest of the show is very close to the books
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Louisgod posted:Speaking, if I love Sanderson is it safe to say I’ll like the WoT books? I like Sanderson a lot and have read basically everything he's put out, but I only made it up to book 7 of WoT. I found that I just didn't like the characters, and the story seemed to meander.
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Narmi posted:I like Sanderson a lot and have read basically everything he's put out, but I only made it up to book 7 of WoT. I found that I just didn't like the characters, and the story seemed to meander. That's one of the major criticisms of the series: It drags badly from about the point you're at until the 11th book. It's a lot of dead weight; it could probably be condensed to about two books without losing anything valuable. Sanderson wrote books 12-14 and cut the meandering.
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Weekly update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-87GZw8tQDE Key highlights:
My mind is still being blown by the Patreon thing and I will likely have to do a whole react video unpacking it.
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Me imagining my wifes face. "What is this $500 monthly patreon bill for?"
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White Chocolate posted:Me imagining my wifes face. “Pornography”
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"You know how I like to eat metal shavings and yell 'I BURN PEWTER!' as I'm raking leaves?"
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I’ll be honest - I voted “No” on the Patreon poll. While I love reading the old annotations on his site and would have no issue paying $5 a month for more, Brandon himself pointed out that Patreon is meant more for smaller creators, and the idea of an artist who can support their art (especially at his level of success) through other means being on the site doesn’t sit right with me.
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For me Patreon is great for writers, or creators in general, who need support because they don't have an advance or a monthly paycheck. And who release their work in installments, usually as they write, to keep patrons interested. For Sanderson it seems unnecessary, he's (I would assume) financially secure, and if you want to support him you can just buys hos books. It's not like anything he writes is going to do poorly sales-wise.
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Part of me wonders whether big names getting into Patreon is good or bad for the smaller names. Because it's possible they could 'crowd out' smaller creators by hogging the attention, but it's also possible that they grow the platform as a whole.
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Yeah the whole point is to support people who have no reliable means of generating a livable paycheck out of what they produce, but have people who want to support them. A very popular and successful artist with a small mountain of financialized products available for sale is not the point. I give a small amount to a lot of people on patreon, but I wouldn't give to Sanderson - I am already buying what he's selling.
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# ? Dec 15, 2021 00:12 |
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Finished Cytonic. Felt like I barely remembered anything from the previous book. The reveal that the delvers are emotionally damaged AIs disappointed me, with the constant description that they exist outside of time. Was expecting something Arrival-esque. With the reveal, they don't exist outside of time, they just hate it, which diminishes their other-ness.
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MildShow posted:I’ll be honest - I voted “No” on the Patreon poll. While I love reading the old annotations on his site and would have no issue paying $5 a month for more, Brandon himself pointed out that Patreon is meant more for smaller creators, and the idea of an artist who can support their art (especially at his level of success) through other means being on the site doesn’t sit right with me. Narmi posted:For me Patreon is great for writers, or creators in general, who need support because they don't have an advance or a monthly paycheck. And who release their work in installments, usually as they write, to keep patrons interested. Taffer posted:Yeah the whole point is to support people who have no reliable means of generating a livable paycheck out of what they produce, but have people who want to support them. That was the overwhelming reaction in the comments section of his YouTube video too, which on the whole I thought discussed all of the nuances involved reasonably well. I didn't want to repeat anything that had already been stated so I tried to contribute a different perspective instead. The video turned out way longer than I thought it would be: https://youtu.be/5Gyri9QxzY0 Cicero posted:Part of me wonders whether big names getting into Patreon is good or bad for the smaller names. Because it's possible they could 'crowd out' smaller creators by hogging the attention, but it's also possible that they grow the platform as a whole. I didn't get to directly address this in the video because it was already getting too long, but my gut is that they would grow the platform. The market for readers is not a zero sum game when you look at it from a market level perspective and over time, instead of from an individual's perspective at one specific point in time. Leng fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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State of the Sanderson is up: https://www.brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-2021/ There is no mention regarding the recent poll on annotations Key highlights: Brandon Sanderson posted:[The Lost Metal] was a longer write than the other Wax and Wayne books, as I increased the book-length by 50% (and gave the story a little more outlining time) to make certain to wrap up things in style. well November 2022 can't come soon enough. Brandon Sanderson posted:After getting that second Wax and Wayne draft done, there were just a lot of little things demanding my attention that I’d been putting off. Some Wheel of Time scripts, some work on the various film projects for my other series, and loose ends of various other things I needed to do. Two months of loose ends with film projects??? Scrolling down to the section on film projects, there doesn't seem to be a lot of movement. Mistborn film, Stormlight TV series are still where they were. Brandon Sanderson posted:Stormlight Five starting in January, with a target for a Christmas 2023 release. (It could end up coming out in the spring of 2024, depending on how difficult a write it is.) Also, I will very likely do a Rock novella as part of the Words of Radiance leatherbound kickstarter in the summer of 2023. I wonder if the planned title will still be Horneater. I'm also kind of hoping for a 2024 release for Stormlight 5 (KoW) because Christmas 2023 doesn't seem to be long enough to my rereads, since my available reading time is going to be significantly reduced going forward. Brandon Sanderson posted:Janci and I had a lot of fun working together on the novellas. Our plan was to do another set of them between books three and four, but the timing was tight on these first ones–and that was a tad stressful. So we’re now working on doing some follow-ups to the first four-book series. We’ve brought on Darci Cole, an excellent writer and one of the beta readers on the Skyward series, as a co-writer as well. Sanderson levels up with bringing on another new writer to write in Cytoverse spin-offs. What's super interesting is that Darci Cole looks like a self-pub author and evidently must have made an impression during the beta readers for Skyward. She has one book out in an 8 book series - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZC77WV9/. Now I am SUPER CURIOUS as to whether further Cytoverse spin-offs are going to be Sanderson's foray into self-publishing. Brandon Sanderson posted:In 2022, I’m going to try doing something new–writing prose on Stormlight in the afternoon session, then doing revisions on Mistborn in the evening session. I’m curious whether this works for me, and if so, whether it’s better or worse for my pace and my enjoyment of the process. This is interesting, because he normally doesn't simultaneously work on new prose and revisions at the same time. I'm gonna be curious too as to whether this is going to pan out for him. That's a lot of cognitive load to juggle. Brandon Sanderson posted:We should have the graphic novel omnibus coming at you sometime in the near future...We’ve spent a lot of time making it the quintessential White Sand graphic novel experience, updating text and dialogue to be more in line with the Cosmere. There are 38 new pages at the beginning, revised text and art throughout, a new map and glossary, and fourteen Ars Arcanum pages. I hope these updates get flowed through to the digital versions of the individual graphic novels. Brandon Sanderson posted:I’ve been working on a video game for several years, and I suspect it will be announced this year. So, commence speculation! (Note: it’s not for one of my properties, but something new that I built with them. It’s a game company many of you will have heard of, but probably not the one you’re thinking about right now. Not that other one either.) What??? Can someone decipher this? I mean, not that we guessed Kelsier in Fortnite last time either, but still. Brandon Sanderson posted:Speaking of our online store, we have rebranded and are now Dragonsteel Books! You will still receive the same great service and products, but we are positioning ourselves to continue to grow and provide a wider array of products in future years. Watch our social media channels (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram) for announcements of new products and events, restocks on your favorite products, and more! We might have some fun surprises in store! With this and the extensive list of licensees plus Cytoverse developments, I'm calling it now. Sanderson has plans to become the next Marvel. Brandon Sanderson posted:We’ll be occasionally doing more of these types of giveaways, so if you don’t want to miss one, be sure to follow Brandon across all his social channels (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube). YouTube in particular is the best place to keep a close eye on what Brandon’s working on. So if you’re interested in following that, be sure to subscribe there. If you only want to know about the big stuff that’s happening, subscribing to his newsletter is probably the best option for you, as we only send a few out each year. Looks like Sanderson is shifting from Twitter to YouTube as his primary author platform. Reddit is not mentioned but given how many fan communities exist there, I assume he'll still hang out there for direct engagement. Interesting! Brandon Sanderson posted:Fall 2021: Skyward 3 Every single title I've bolded is a co-authored one, and I am really curious about the extent of the co-authoring, who is contributing what to the outline and who is contributing what prose. Assuming he chooses his co-writers well, I suspect that, like the Skyward Flight books, I'll be happy to pick up the co-authored books (so long as the prose isn't super jarring in style) though I probably won't dive into things like the audio originals or the weirder non-Cosmere spin-offs. AFAIK, Isaac (his art director) is the only one who's allowed to write Cosmere stuff (see the broadsheets in Wax & Wayne).
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Leng posted:What??? Can someone decipher this? I mean, not that we guessed Kelsier in Fortnite last time either, but still. no idea what he's teasing but I imagine the reference is to GRRM consulting on Elden Ring for FromSoft?
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Also, "will be announced this year"?? As in 2021??
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eke out posted:no idea what he's teasing but I imagine the reference is to GRRM consulting on Elden Ring for FromSoft? I think he's just saying it's a mid-tier publisher, so not like Ubisoft, or Microsoft. epic would be out since he already did work with them (so not an infinity blade re-release or something)
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