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Not trying to be a dick, but what is the point of a requester warehouse? Is there ever a reason to have 30K of an item available all at once in one place?
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Apr 25, 2018 22:44
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Nevets posted:Not trying to be a dick, but what is the point of a requester warehouse? Is there ever a reason to have 30K of an item available all at once in one place? I assume it's useful for logistics heavy builds, I'm using those ones as buffers for the ore processing system, and I made them requesters so that they can also suck in any random bits of ore I end up trashing while faffing about with belts. I can do the same thing with a chest and an inserter sure but it's easier to put it on the warehouse. Basically it combines the function of a warehouse (storing lots of stuff) and a bunch of requester chests and inserters (connecting to the logistics network)
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Apr 25, 2018 22:57
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What are some cool beaconed red-circuit factories? I guess I could just use the same bot based layout I use for my smelters with millions of requester chests but that's boring.Nevets posted:Not trying to be a dick, but what is the point of a requester warehouse? Is there ever a reason to have 30K of an item available all at once in one place? Storage for trainstops. Although I use buffer warehouses.
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Apr 25, 2018 23:23
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LLSix posted:What are some cool beaconed red-circuit factories? I guess I could just use the same bot based layout I use for my smelters with millions of requester chests but that's boring. Define "cool." Is cool stupid circuit tricks, or is cool ratio optimized mega factories?  Because I don't have the latter, and it might take some convincing that I have the former.
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Apr 26, 2018 01:05
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Alright, I take it back, Helmod is amazing, once I figured out how to use it. I've got like 10 different assembly lines with it now for charting everything from blue science production to what's the best method to produce glass. After over 80 hours of 26 green algae farms, I'm finally getting ready to replace them with ~30 tree farms producing wood, both saving a ton of charcoal not feeding the farms and making wood plastic a reality just in time for my blue science line. .16 seablock is just nuts... Here's a general overview of my base. Just finished making 1000 large solar panels and 1000 highcap accumulators, need another 1000 solar but it'll do for now. Also got 20 desert upgrade farms doing Nilaubergine -> vegetable oil -> fuel oil -> 47 tier1 oil burning generators.  On the right side are 60 mk2 electrolyzers feeding 12 mk2 liquidifiers -> 24 charcoal filtration units -> 48 crystallizers, 8 of each ore. I'm running each through floatation cells, ore sorting then a general warehouse feeding 12 individual ones via loaders. I've spent the past ~6-7 hours building up ore reserves for a blue science push. Once I unlock the next tier of ore techs, I intend to redo most of the middle setup to produce individual ores via catalysts.. fun times.  Smelting setup, and at the lower left you can see my highcap accumulator 'temporary' production line. I'm piping in methanol from the green algae farms above left. You can also see a warehouse that's 90% full of concrete that I need to place.  And then over on the left we have blue algae experiments, and the aforementioned desert farms and generators. Just got done processing ~120k crystal dust from the Nilau into 30k of each catalyst to jumpstart the individual ore processing in a few hours.  And the starting area with the initial wind generators I got. I've come so far... and so far left to go, lol.  And one more, electrolyzer/flare stack arrays. Got overflow vents on the gas tanks. I've burned off so much hydrogen... wish I could use it for power.  edit: I did add Nanobots and Squeak Through. Laying out the solar farm and the ore lines would have taken a LOT longer without nanobots.. Ambaire fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Apr 26, 2018 01:52
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OwlFancier posted:I assume it's useful for logistics heavy builds, I'm using those ones as buffers for the ore processing system, and I made them requesters so that they can also suck in any random bits of ore I end up trashing while faffing about with belts. I'd have thought buffer warehouses would be better here, so that bots can also grab from it if you're actually requesting the raw ore anywhere else.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:16
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Ambaire posted:Here's a general overview of my base. Just finished making 1000 large solar panels and 1000 highcap accumulators, need another 1000 solar but it'll do for now. Also got 20 desert upgrade farms doing Nilaubergine -> vegetable oil -> fuel oil -> 47 tier1 oil burning generators. I take it the top left is your solar farm? Those off-90 degree angles are making my eye twitch.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:18
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xzzy posted:Define "cool." Is cool stupid circuit tricks, or is cool ratio optimized mega factories? That's certainly an interesting use of the circuit network.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:18
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Jabor posted:I'd have thought buffer warehouses would be better here, so that bots can also grab from it if you're actually requesting the raw ore anywhere else. Maybe? I've not used buffers so I wasn't sure what they did. I'm not using raw ore anywhere else though, it's the central ore processing intake.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:25
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xzzy posted:Define "cool." Is cool stupid circuit tricks, or is cool ratio optimized mega factories? SO yeah, I can't figure out wtf you're doing with those circuits. Just on-demand supply of materials from the 3 belts?
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Apr 26, 2018 02:28
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Nth Doctor posted:I take it the top left is your solar farm? Those off-90 degree angles are making my eye twitch.  Yes. Bit of a pain to run through even with squeakthru, but it's a space efficient tiling method.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:30
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Canuckistan posted:SO yeah, I can't figure out wtf you're doing with those circuits. Just on-demand supply of materials from the 3 belts? Yep, they're set up so that when chests get below a threshold the inserters activate to supply more raw materials. I wanted to learn circuits better and I read a thread about single belt factories and my dumb brain decided to make it a project. I have no illusions it's efficient but it's pretty.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:33
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I need to learn how to do circuits. I tried to make a simple circuit that would store X number of items in a chest and move anything > X onto a belt. It should be dirt simple but i couldn't figure it out myself. Time to watch some more youtube vidyas.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:37
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Canuckistan posted:I need to learn how to do circuits. I tried to make a simple circuit that would store X number of items in a chest and move anything > X onto a belt. It should be dirt simple but i couldn't figure it out myself. Time to watch some more youtube vidyas. You can kinda do this without circuits by using the red X
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Apr 26, 2018 02:39
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Yup. I could just stick a limited chest off the belt and scoop up everything until I had what I needed, but I wanted to try it with a logic circuit just for giggles.
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Apr 26, 2018 03:00
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You have this setup, where "<" is an inserter things from right to left and "C" is the chest: < C < Both inserters are connected to the chest. The inserter putting things into the chest is set to activate when [item] < X The inserter taking items out of the chest is set to activate when [item] > X This will keep the number of items around X, until the belt is backed up. At that point, items will be added until X is reached.
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Apr 26, 2018 03:11
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Canuckistan posted:I need to learn how to do circuits. I tried to make a simple circuit that would store X number of items in a chest and move anything > X onto a belt. It should be dirt simple but i couldn't figure it out myself. Time to watch some more youtube vidyas. You use a decider combinator for this, drag a wire from your chest to the input side of the combinator and make the parameters of the combinator your item on the left box, and the number you want stored in the chest in the right box. Set the drop down to greater than. In the output set the icon to whatever makes you happy and select the '1' option. Then drag a wire from the combinator output to your inserter, and set the enabled condition on the inserter to match the icon you just chose, set the drop down to equals, and the right box to '1'. A blueprint example: code:
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Apr 26, 2018 03:29
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OwlFancier posted:Public service announcement: Requester warehouses have a smaller capacity than normal warehouses. Please tell me that is ore on the map and not water :P Chest explosions are always fun, especially in the middle of your main bus. You find things that shouldn't be there for hours as you build your factory.
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Apr 26, 2018 15:30
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Ambaire posted:Alright, I take it back, Helmod is amazing, once I figured out how to use it. I've got like 10 different assembly lines with it now for charting everything from blue science production to what's the best method to produce glass. Does anyone know how to get helmod working where some of the product gets looped back in? Like, trying to configure for charcoal/carbon output when some of the charcoal is used to make CO2 for the algae farms and carbon. Some googling indicated I should split off the blocks and have separate items within the production line, but that it didn't work for me. My current 20 hour (save time, not 100% play time) mess: 
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Apr 26, 2018 15:40
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LLSix posted:What are some cool beaconed red-circuit factories? I guess I could just use the same bot based layout I use for my smelters with millions of requester chests but that's boring. This is one that I was really happy with how it worked out. https://teoxoy.github.io/factorio-b...G6Ikv8D0dCQsA== The setup isn't completely bot friendly as you do need to individually place and make sure the every "chest" is limited to three stacks (one each green, plastic, wire). But its correct ratio, works fully and has pretty good (though I suppose not perfect) beacon coverage.
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Apr 26, 2018 15:44
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LLSix posted:What are some cool beaconed red-circuit factories? I guess I could just use the same bot based layout I use for my smelters with millions of requester chests but that's boring. code:
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Apr 26, 2018 15:50
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Reverend Dr posted:This is one that I was really happy with how it worked out. Clever use of cargo wagons. I keep forgetting you can do that. Bhodi posted:here's a non-bot layout I ripped from somewhere, don't remember if I used it or not. In my last game I decided to bot it all so all my beacon recipes are bot-based. That one's pretty good. Almost as beacon efficient as my boring bot row.
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Apr 26, 2018 21:14
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Bhodi posted:Does anyone know how to get helmod working where some of the product gets looped back in? Like, trying to configure for charcoal/carbon output when some of the charcoal is used to make CO2 for the algae farms and carbon. Some googling indicated I should split off the blocks and have separate items within the production line, but that it didn't work for me.  Dunno-Lars posted:Please tell me that is ore on the map and not water :P 
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Apr 27, 2018 04:45
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Mario posted:Even more fun on top of spaghetti: It kinda looks like the world's biggest CPU.
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Apr 27, 2018 07:05
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Solumin posted:You have this setup, where "<" is an inserter things from right to left and "C" is the chest: < C <
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Apr 27, 2018 08:01
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Is Fluid pressure a thing in this game? And does it matter if I build my storage tanks closer to my pumpjacks, or my chemical plant?
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Apr 28, 2018 07:55
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Away all Goats posted:Is Fluid pressure a thing in this game? And does it matter if I build my storage tanks closer to my pumpjacks, or my chemical plant? Fluid pressure is most definitely a thing. Pipes and storage tanks try to equalize with their neighbors in terms of capacity (so a 50% tank will only try to get a connected pipe to 50%) and over a long enough distance pressure can drop quite a bit if there's a sink on the other end that's consuming at least as fast as you're producing. This is somewhat fixable with pumps, if you really need to have a long pipe for some reason. Additionally, underground pipes have less pressure loss than a similarly long string of regular pipe due to them being treated as only 2 pipes because of an implementation quirk. If you're concerned about this at all, the first step is to put pumps on the inputs of tanks so they don't spill backwards into their source pipes. Depending on what you're trying to do, you may want to put pumps on the outputs as well. After that, if you have an exceptionally long section of pipe and you're noticing a consistent, large drop in pressure far away from the source, consider putting some pumps along the way to prevent fluid from flowing backwards. Note that one of the devs recently said they want to overhaul this because it's so weird and confusing, so this may be completely invalid in a couple of months.
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Apr 28, 2018 08:23
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Away all Goats posted:Is Fluid pressure a thing in this game? And does it matter if I build my storage tanks closer to my pumpjacks, or my chemical plant? Just want to point out that if you're messing with fluid wagons, having storage tank -> pump -> wagon makes them fill up almost instantly. If you put even a few bits of pipe between tank and pump they take way longer.
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Apr 28, 2018 09:08
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How big is too big when it comes to expanding your factory with walls? When does it make sense to stop expanding your original factory walls and just start making standalone walled resource collection points with a train delivery?
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Apr 28, 2018 11:16
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Canuckistan posted:How big is too big when it comes to expanding your factory with walls? When does it make sense to stop expanding your original factory walls and just start making standalone walled resource collection points with a train delivery? Around the same time you're wishing you had a train?
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Apr 28, 2018 11:48
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Canuckistan posted:How big is too big when it comes to expanding your factory with walls? When does it make sense to stop expanding your original factory walls and just start making standalone walled resource collection points with a train delivery? It really comes down to when it becomes too much of a burden to keep extending your wall.
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Apr 28, 2018 12:07
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Do you need to protect your tracks with walls?
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Apr 28, 2018 12:16
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Generally no. Biters won't deliberately attack tracks, but there are some edge cases where they can attack something next to the track and then go on to attack the track as well.
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Apr 28, 2018 12:17
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Canuckistan posted:How big is too big when it comes to expanding your factory with walls? When does it make sense to stop expanding your original factory walls and just start making standalone walled resource collection points with a train delivery? This used to have a problem with migrating biters sneaking in and needing handled once your base gets really big, but that's what artillery is for these days.
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Apr 28, 2018 13:16
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If you notice biters eating your power poles, and you just plop them back down, they will absolutely get eaten again. When the bugs run into obstructions that are large enough for them to have to re-calculate the path around it, they count anything that they bump into as aggressive. So if you put a power pole on a shoreline, the biters will eat it as they are trying to run around the lake to get to your pollution on the other side. Just replace it over a bit and out of the way. Large power poles themselves aren't large enough to trigger path calculation, which is why biters largely leave them alone (unless it's a massive group of them which can rarely trigger this same behavior)
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Apr 28, 2018 15:02
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That varies a bit when mods get involved though. Rampant was recommended a few weeks ago and is an example of this. The updated biter AI in the mod will be quite happy to eat rails, poles, and even rocks / trees at random. It'll also travel in more directions so just pillboxing certain paths wont work. And spawn giant waves of 100 green bugs eventually. And is MASSIVELY tuned against you expanding away from your home base. What I'm saying is Rampant kind of needs some more work because it's only really working as an AI improvement to stop pillboxing in the midgame. It's nightmare fuel trying to keep stuff safe in the first few hours, and then just a slog / deathworld scenario late game. Midgame is unchanged if you box up. (and the author wants to add tunneling to the biter behaviour too, because gently caress you)
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Apr 28, 2018 15:46
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Biters will chow down rails if they're chasing down artillery too. Use artillery train to bombard, train leaves town and a bunch of pissed off bugs roll up looking for meat. Finding none, they go apeshit on your tracks.
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Apr 28, 2018 15:57
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gently caress me, I started a new SeaBlock game. WHY CANT I QUIT YOU, FACTORIO?!
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Apr 28, 2018 17:06
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Canuckistan posted:How big is too big when it comes to expanding your factory with walls? When does it make sense to stop expanding your original factory walls and just start making standalone walled resource collection points with a train delivery? The only way to be sure is to cover the entire planet in concentric rings of walls, completely paved over, with all trees, rocks, cliffs, and water removed.
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Or build your walls out of gun turrets, then it doesn't loving matter anymore. 
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