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Sapozhnik posted:https://lwn.net/Articles/725623/ the worst thing about conda is that still is the best thing for python on windows as far as i know. having run in into some conda poo poo though i learned better and now important python things have virtual environments regulated by pycharm
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carry on then posted:if you only need 100 lines of code you've never seen before to identify and fix a problem, that problem was trivial this is generally what happens with software that's complete enough to be distributed though? overlooked errors like opening a file without checking it exists, etc. does gnome ship with a "error: windowing system not implemented" problem?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:the worst thing about conda is that still is the best thing for python on windows as far as i know. having run in into some conda poo poo though i learned better and now important python things have virtual environments regulated by pycharm i think they mean anaconda the redhat installer not conda the python thing
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because the conda people couldn't just call it "python-install-manager" or ssomething like that
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i think they mean anaconda the redhat installer not conda the python thing Cocoa Crispies posted:because the conda people couldn't just call it "python-install-manager" or ssomething like that oh. well, ill reiterate, i can totally see conda being actually bad on technical level
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wow lol. Sapozhnik posted:https://lwn.net/Articles/725623/ I think suspicious dish? said something about siloing and communications issues between teams that was especially true for anaconda. why not just throw it all out and build a GUI over fdisk and other utilities?
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hifi posted:or just look at the source code ok richard
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OldAlias posted:pebkac bithc this behaviour won't be any better on other systems OldAlias posted:also why are you using the startup disk creator for nontrivial things. escape to a TTY and use fdisk or smth I didn't sit there weeping, though. I just D's it onto the stick and went from there.
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OldAlias posted:why not just throw it all out and build a GUI over fdisk and other utilities? that's how anaconda started
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installers are an insanely hard problem in general, because they have to solve a truly absurd number of corner cases for a wide variety of users the interface has to be available as a fully scriptable API, but it also needs to have a user-friendly click-through GUI, oh and it also needs to work on a 9600 8N1 terminal session because some of your enterprise users are just loving unbelievable dinosaur asslickers it needs to work well on a laptop with an m.2 ssd and legacy bios and 802.11 wireless, but it also needs to boot EFI and load custom firmware into a low-latency NIC to bring up an iscsi session for the root disk after negotiating 802.1x layer 2 authentication AND dhcp v6 / ipv6 pd to reach the LUN in the first place edit: and it has to do all these things without breaking backwards compatibility with somebody's pre-existing scripts written in the year 2002, because the current guys barely understand that clusterfuck and they will be mad at you
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anaconda is fine and i think the only reason why people obsess over that detail is because there was a late 90s slashdot idea of linux on the desktop not succeeding only because the installation had more technical steps than the windows one the blog post thing may have a point i guess if they have some specific thing they are trying to achieve with the modularization, but as it stands it rather reads like a programmer wanting to rewrite something because they feel the current thing is icky and beneath them
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well good news, all these installation issues are going to be a thing of the past from here on out that's because with the latest windows 10 fast ring build, ubuntu is now available straight from the windows store, and it's also free! just click download and bam! now you have a Linux...
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finally, a Linux on your desktop, with just one click
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Max Facetime posted:finally, a Linux on your desktop, with just one click legit excited about this  i only need the file system support from linux
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I hope this isn't just Microsoft showing preferential treatment to canonical but that in the future all Linuxen will have the opportunity to compete for users on an equal footing in Windows Store
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windows subsystem for linux remains the greatest improvement to windows for a long long time. use it daily for all kinds of stuff
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https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/15/0018221/in-which-linus-torvalds-makes-an-init-joke oh god the comment section is pure cancer was slashdot always like this
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Tankakern posted:https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/15/0018221/in-which-linus-torvalds-makes-an-init-joke why would you read the comment section of slashdot why are you reading slashdot seriously, though, I read slashdot too... but 30% of the articles are ads and 60% of the articles are bad opinions
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I read it and thought "this is just a burn on systemd, it's not against the idea of a Process 1" and the first comment mirrored my thinking exactly articles like this need to explain what the joke is, because insider jokes help no one except sperglord egos, which do not need helping also, systemd will never stop being a glorious troll in the form of open source software
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Tankakern posted:https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/15/0018221/in-which-linus-torvalds-makes-an-init-joke this is exactly how i remember /. circa 2002
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el dorito posted:I read it and thought "this is just a burn on systemd, it's not against the idea of a Process 1" and the first comment mirrored my thinking exactly what so you're one of them?
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hobbesmaster posted:this is exactly how i remember /. circa 2002
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hobbesmaster posted:this is exactly how i remember /. circa 1997
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Tankakern posted:https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/15/0018221/in-which-linus-torvalds-makes-an-init-joke yes
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Tankakern posted:https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/15/0018221/in-which-linus-torvalds-makes-an-init-joke there used to be more goatse I'm assuming, I haven't looked at slashdot in 15 years, I don't know the current goatse levels
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i kinda forgot slashdot still existed somehow my login from 1999 or whatever still works though
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Crusader posted:i kinda forgot slashdot still existed have you meta moderated recently?
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Jul 16, 2017 02:48
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no problem with fine patrician gentlemen who still post on something awful dot com
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pram posted:no problem with fine patrician gentlemen who still post on something awful dot com (Score: +5, Insightful)
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hosed up that this is still the best tech bullshit forum
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updating to fedora 26
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current fedora upgrade status: going to grocery shop and then vacuuming my appartment, will probably have enough time to wash the floors too
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something awful > yospos > fedora upgrade [no 56k!]
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:something awful > yospos > fedora upgrade [no 56k!] ill be done in 20 minutes i think. the problem is that i have lots of poo poo installed so the upgrade procedure manually combs through 10k packages, which is what slows everything down.
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*in hacker voice* im in
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using the proprietary nvidia drivers still results in an x11 session. maybe ill get to join the wayland party next release
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carry on then posted:using the proprietary nvidia drivers still results in an x11 session. maybe ill get to join the wayland party next release i have to say that im not even sure if im in wayland or x11. at least i know what wayland is. prolly still x11 since the only thing that did change is the desktop wallpaper
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carry on then posted:using the proprietary nvidia drivers still results in an x11 session. maybe ill get to join the wayland party next release the eglstreams backend is in, but xwayland doesn't work with it yet they're also planning to add the nvidia drivers to the official repos soon, so no more needing to mess around with 3rd party repos to install the driver 
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