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DarklyDreaming posted:I feel like dems and leftists have to remind themselves this every 2 years: The Latin American community is not a unified voting bloc. Thinking all Latinos are a unified voting bloc is like thinking all of Western Europe is a unified voting bloc because they’re all white aren’t they?
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DarklyDreaming posted:I feel like dems and leftists have to remind themselves this every 2 years: The Latin American community is not a unified voting bloc. Trump and the GOP are trying their damnedest to change that though.
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Jul 8, 2020 21:50
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I imagine most reporters have the Team Trump emails marked as spam at this point.
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Jul 8, 2020 21:59
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https://twitter.com/houmayor/status/1280958534008614913 houston convention is canceled.
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Jul 8, 2020 22:03
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evilweasel posted:Arizona is one of the two most likely tipping point states, however (it and Wisconsin). True but if the current trends hold it will more likely be WI (+8 Biden) as the margin in AZ is much narrower (+3 Biden) Numbers from 538 polling averages- https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/arizona/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/wisconsin/
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Jul 8, 2020 22:03
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/houmayor/status/1280958534008614913 Great for Houston, though I'm sure TXGOP will find a chud-friendly municipality instead.
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Jul 8, 2020 22:06
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Thinking all Latinos are a unified voting bloc is like thinking all of Western Europe is a unified voting bloc because they’re all white aren’t they? American political punditry tends to be really bad about using race as one tidy little package to explain literally tens of millions of people's votes. I think part of it is the difficulty of dicing the data as much with smaller groups compared to larger ones. Once you've drilled down to something on the order of a fifth or tenth of the population, the error bars start getting really big because getting a representative sample becomes harder and harder. So you end up with what amounts to stereotypes in an attempt to come up with some sort of homogeneous approximation of a heterogeneous group. This also means ignoring things that we acknowledge for white voters. Cranky old guys everywhere seem to be fans of partido de leopardos comiendo las caras de personas. White people have a strongly religious subset, but then so do all races. There's a lot of people willing to support reactionary policies in the name of lower crime and they're absolutely not all white.
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Jul 8, 2020 22:33
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my sister in law is cuban and her and her family love trump and are virulently racist. they love the wall.
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Jul 8, 2020 22:39
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:my sister in law is cuban and her and her family love trump and are virulently racist. they love the wall. A ton of immigrants are anti immigration because they insist that they came in THE RIGHT WAY.
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Jul 8, 2020 22:41
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There's a bit of a No Homers club for Latin American countries
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Jul 8, 2020 22:43
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:A ton of immigrants are anti immigration because they insist that they came in THE RIGHT WAY. they also strongly believe that there are racial differences between various nationalities from latin america and america is doing a good job keeping the 'wrong' type of latin americans out. people all over can be bad.
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Jul 8, 2020 22:45
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I've heard my sister-in-law who was born and raised in Chile until she was six talk trash about Mexicans and repeat nonsense about MS-13 in regards to immigration. Latin America is a very large and stratified place.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:07
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Xombie posted:I've heard my sister-in-law who was born and raised in Chile until she was six talk trash about Mexicans and repeat nonsense about MS-13. Latin America is a very large and stratified place. People born and having lived in Latin America do have legit cause to fear gangs like MS13 though. It’s not like frightened white suburbanites in Wisconsin.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:09
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Nonsense posted:The Lincoln Project guy did not say very pleasant things about Michael Brown.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:09
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:People born and having lived in Latin America do have legit cause to fear gangs like MS13 though. It’s not like frightened white suburbanites in Wisconsin. Yeah but she came here to Ohio in 1987.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:12
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:they also strongly believe that there are racial differences between various nationalities from latin america and america is doing a good job keeping the 'wrong' type of latin americans out. people all over can be bad. It's easy to forget that admidst all the American intervention/coup making horror done in Latin America, that a lot of the reason for problems down there is how deeply racist/classist and at times caste system esque many of the societies traditionally were. That uber inequality breeds the leftism that gets put down, but also the rightwingism that happily takes CIA guns and funds to put down that left. Basically America wouldn't be able to gently caress around half as well without pre-existing wells of deeply right wing power structures and classes looking for a patron/friend to begin with. Extremely excepting Costa Rica. Whose history is a fascinating march to a different drum.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:16
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The Revolutions across Latin America in the early 1800s were not pleasant and resulted in a lot of bad blood to put it lightly.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:18
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A lot of Latin America was basically an alternate version of the US South, where race mixing wasn't as taboo, and ties to the UK were much closer in terms of the purpose of the colonies.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:21
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Grape posted:A lot of Latin America was basically an alternate version of the US South, where race mixing wasn't as taboo, and ties to the UK were much closer in terms of the purpose of the colonies. Lol most of Latin America was nothing like the US South except for Brazil which was worse than the south. And people just naturally have animosity towards other countries. Especially if they share borders. That's human nature. So even if there isn't a racial difference (although there is in some cases) Peruvians will always hate Chileans and vice-versa (they fought several wars in fact) Argentines will always be angry at Brasilians, and so on and so forth.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:28
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riseofmydick posted:Lol most of Latin America was nothing like the US South except for Brazil which was worse than the south. I'm not making a 1 to 1 comparison of enslaved African based societies, I'm talking very caste systemy societies with essentially aristocratic whites at the top of an economy relying on lots of non-white labor. Though there were a lot more African slaves around Spanish America than people tend to think. And I'm not just talking the Carribbean. Even places like Bolivia had African slaves.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:31
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riseofmydick posted:And people just naturally have animosity towards other countries. Especially if they share borders. That's human nature. This seems like a wildly unconsidered opinion. How long have "countries" existed, as a concept?
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Jul 8, 2020 23:41
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Grape posted:It's easy to forget that admidst all the American intervention/coup making horror done in Latin America, that a lot of the reason for problems down there is how deeply racist/classist and at times caste system esque many of the societies traditionally were. That uber inequality breeds the leftism that gets put down, but also the rightwingism that happily takes CIA guns and funds to put down that left. Costa Rica is an absolutely fascinating country to look at. It is surprising that you don't see more people bringing them up as a example of Democracy done right for the most part with some Socialism mixed in. It would be interesting to see what both Central/South America and Africa would be like if there wasn't meddling from the United States and other Western countries.
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Djarum posted:Costa Rica is an absolutely fascinating country to look at. It is surprising that you don't see more people bringing them up as a example of Democracy done right for the most part with some Socialism mixed in. I remember looking into Central America and how particularly hosed up those countries are, and then Costa Rica is just ... might as well be on a different planet for how it's fate turned out. What I recall is the society there was never really so stratified as it was elsewhere in the region. It was considered crappy backwater real estate, so instead of having a basis of criollos lording over mestizo/native psuedo-serfs? It was like a bunch of poorer people of all sorts of backgrounds settled it just trying to make something of the land. Well that and the abolition of their military they did way way later which is a novel solution to constant coups.
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Somfin posted:This seems like a wildly unconsidered opinion. How long have "countries" existed, as a concept? Well, as of the 1648 Peace of Westphalia...
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Somfin posted:This seems like a wildly unconsidered opinion. How long have "countries" existed, as a concept? kinda forever, but it was either tied to ethnic groups/empires/kingdoms. and thats only counting the European perspective. if we are going by standard europian centric stuff(i dont know enough about asian or pre colonial african history sadly to say anything for certain) id say probably a renaissance/enlightenment era is when countries started to be viewed as thing than more than just kingdoms, but alot of it was more city state stuff and ethinic ideals. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jul 9, 2020 |
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Jul 9, 2020 01:31
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lol at the 1% of Biden supporters going to Trump. https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1280954879511605254?s=20
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Jul 9, 2020 01:33
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Dapper_Swindler posted:kinda forever, but it was either tied to ethnic groups/empires/kingdoms. and thats only counting the European perspective. if we are going by standard europian centric stuff(i dont know enough about asian or pre colonial african history sadly to say anything for certain) id say probably a renaissance/enlightenment era is when countries started to be viewed as thing than more than just kingdoms, but alot of it was more city state stuff and ethinic ideals. Looking for a year count, preferably contrasted with how long humans have been around
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Somfin posted:Looking for a year count, preferably contrasted with how long humans have been around are you familiar with something called “the tribe” because the Neanderthals were
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Somfin posted:This seems like a wildly unconsidered opinion. How long have "countries" existed, as a concept? what do you mean by a country? a modern nation state? a cohesive political unit like a city state? an empire where people have allegiance to a local entity, but that entity is part of something larger? depending on your criteria the answer will range from 'hundreds' to 'thousands' of years.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:what do you mean by a country? a modern nation state? a cohesive political unit like a city state? an empire where people have allegiance to a local entity, but that entity is part of something larger? depending on your criteria the answer will range from 'hundreds' to 'thousands' of years. seconding this. because it depends.
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Somfin posted:This seems like a wildly unconsidered opinion. How long have "countries" existed, as a concept? Read this book. It is incredible https://www.amazon.com/War-Before-Civilization-Lawrence-Keeley-ebook/dp/B005JC0PTK 
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Charlz Guybon posted:Read this book. It is incredible yep. also alot of apes are violent as gently caress too, at least toward other ape groups.
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Jul 9, 2020 02:00
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riseofmydick posted:And people just naturally have animosity towards other countries. Especially if they share borders. That's human nature. This is what I was responding to. Countries as defined by borders and therefore land ownership.
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Somfin posted:This is what I was responding to. Countries as defined by borders and therefore land ownership. quote:"Men are not gentle creatures, who want to be loved, who at the most can defend themselves if they are attacked; they are, on the contrary, creatures among whose instinctual endowments is to be reckoned a powerful share of aggressiveness. As a result, their neighbor is for them not only a potential helper or sexual object, but also someone who tempts them to satisfy their aggressiveness on him, to exploit his capacity for work without compensation, to use him sexually without his consent, to seize his possessions, to humiliate him, to cause him pain, to torture and to kill him. Homo homini lupus. Who in the face of all his experience of life and of history, will have the courage to dispute this assertion?"
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yeah what riseofmydick should have said was people naturally have animosity towards outgroups especially neighboring outgroups.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yep. also alot of apes are violent as gently caress too, at least toward other ape groups. Yes, unfortunately, we seem to have inherited more of the chimp like behaviors than the bonobo like behaviors from our common ancestor.
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Has anyone polled the apes on who they prefer between Biden and Trump?
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DutchDupe posted:Has anyone polled the apes on who they prefer between Biden and Trump? Trump is a big fan of gorillas.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Yes, unfortunately, we seem to have inherited more of the chimp like behaviors than the bonobo like behaviors from our common ancestor. Wild bonobos are also very violent, their hypersexuality is only really observed in captive and extremely bored populations.
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