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So I was at work all day yesterday and missed this entirely; is there anywhere I can see the negotiations/last dude's surrender like on youtube?
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Feb 12, 2016 14:25
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Sky Shadowing posted:I would inquire about bets of 'who will be the first to claim 'gold fringe' or ask 'do you have a claim on me'', but I think we can all reasonably guess the answer is 'the first guy they haul into court/speak'. But when the first guy is sentenced to 10+ years for this bullshit, the rest will turn on each other to plea deal the poo poo out of it. Fry will be on his own though, he hosed up wanting to Lavoy himself, and he will be a crying bitch all by himself.
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Feb 12, 2016 14:30
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happyhippy posted:But when the first guy is sentenced to 10+ years for this bullshit, the rest will turn on each other to plea deal the poo poo out of it. Fry needs to be separated from the stresses of modern society and given the mental health treatment he needs, if possible.
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Feb 12, 2016 14:33
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happyhippy posted:But when the first guy is sentenced to 10+ years for this bullshit, the rest will turn on each other to plea deal the poo poo out of it. Strange as it may sound I actually kind of hope the feds will go easier on Fry than the others. The dude pretty clearly had sickbrains when he was talking during the David Fry Suicide Power Hours whereas everyone else with charges from this were more knowingly aware of the potential risks their actions would net them. David by comparison seemed mostly lonely and like he just wanted to be part of something - anything bigger than himself and didn't really care what it was at that point. He didn't really share the rest of the group's mostly Evangelical Christian rhetoric. He didn't really have the common rural/agriculture/pseudo-military background the others had. Hell, he only went out there because he could sneak away while his parents were on vacation. By all accounts, most everyone else at the refuge were simply tolerant of him at best or actively hostile toward him at worst. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 14:44
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Yeah i honestly hope that Fry will get the help he needs and that he won't have to spend a huge chunk of his life behind bars. Dude couldnt even fit in with militants, Fry-chan just needs friends
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Feb 12, 2016 14:50
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Astrofig posted:So I was at work all day yesterday and missed this entirely; is there anywhere I can see the negotiations/last dude's surrender like on youtube? audio only
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Feb 12, 2016 14:54
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:Yeah i honestly hope that Fry will get the help he needs and that he won't have to spend a huge chunk of his life behind bars. Dude couldnt even fit in with militants, Fry-chan just needs friends I think that Fry needs help with his mental health but Fry also acted as their IT guy the whole time. I don't know how high the bar is for computer crime related charges but if anyone gets them, I have a feeling that it's going to be him.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:04
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:
I'm willing to bet he also can't really see what he's aiming at with such a tiny gap he's shooting through with iron sights, unless the BLM guys were in a bucket truck raised in front of the bridge.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:06
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ChlamydiaJones posted:I think that Fry needs help with his mental health but Fry also acted as their IT guy the whole time. I don't know how high the bar is for computer crime related charges but if anyone gets them, I have a feeling that it's going to be him. The bar is low. Really low. Unnervingly low. His statements on livestreams indicate that he probably violated them when accessing the refuge's computers.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:33
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I think being punished by having one of those "no computers" restraining orders placed on him may help out with his paranoid delusions, coupled with powerful therapeutic intervention.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:37
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You have to think that there will be more evidence against Fry than anyone purely because of his obsessive need to document and stream everything. I really hope he gets treatment of all of the people involved in this I really hope he gets a decent deal.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:40
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From the Atlantic: During a press conference Thursday, however, Bretzing suggested there would be more charges to come for some of the occupiers. Once again, patience is the watchword: He described a painstaking process to go over the refuge in the coming days and weeks, and while he said the FBI would try to turn it over to the Fish and Wildlife Service to reopen as quickly as possible, there were several steps required to get there. First, law enforcement was sweeping the entire refuge to make sure no one else was left. Then a multi-agency bomb squad will go over the property. (Asked whether that was in response to any specific threat, Bretzing said only, “Several things that have happened over the last 41 days that have led us to believe this a prudent thing to do.”) After that, an FBI evidence team will go over the center, followed by a forensic team examining computers, and finally an FBI art-crime team that will assess Paiute Indian burial sites and artifacts that may have been disturbed. I love the idea that the FBI has a team dedicated to "art crime".
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Feb 12, 2016 15:40
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gently caress man I am in the wrong line of work.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:43
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prefect posted:I love the idea that the FBI has a team dedicated to "art crime". It sounds funny now, but once the feds show their true socio-fascist selves art crime will be about illegal art.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:43
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Aesop Poprock posted:So are they going to be dropping more charges on them? Can they, at this point? I don't know jack poo poo about law but if a bunch of them just get off with a fine that seems hosed. IANAL, but I believe that the police can't hold someone for more than a certain period of time without charging them with something, and the Feds are usually very careful about laying down charges. You can continue to add charges to them as you find and collate more evidence. As you see with Bundy Sr., you can serve charges years down the line as long as you're still within the statute of limitations. I think their primary concern was ending the standoff before possibly exacerbating it with further charges.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:51
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Re: the FBI thanking Fiore by name It can be viewed as a "gently caress you" in the same vein as people from the south doing the "bless your heart" facade. Someone mentioned that Fiore has a shitload of debt and is trying to run for higher office (in addition to selling sexy calendars), and having the federal police thank you by name about how instrumental you were to getting sovcit morons out of a wildlife refuge might not play too hot with the people who voted for her. A brief 2 years ago, she was "one of us" and trying to fight the man from the institution, now she's being thanked by the Feds for basically being responsible for the Cliven pick up? I don't know man, she's obviously a plant and we can't trust her.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:56
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After a routine conceptual investigation exposed them to radioactive Fluxus they became the Art Squad! With Pete Mondrian - with the power to turn into anything with right angles - Freddie Kahlo - who can make copies of herself at will - and of course their leader Marcus "Marky" Duchamp, with the power to make anything from found objects. Together they solve art crimes and try to foil the world domination plans of the mysterious Christo. This week, the Mystery of the Missing Monet with special celebrity guest James Franco.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:59
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Al! posted:I think being punished by having one of those "no computers" restraining orders placed on him may help out with his paranoid delusions, coupled with powerful therapeutic intervention. If this was a crappy 90's kids movie the judge would sentence him to five year of helping out the local park rangers at a wild life reserve, out in the wilderness well away from any computer, and being out in nature would clear his mind and he would become a better person for it. And honestly if that happened it would probably be the best thing for him. Unfortunately he's probably just going to get jail. 
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Feb 12, 2016 16:04
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Al! posted:After a routine conceptual investigation exposed them to radioactive Fluxus they became the Art Squad! With Pete Mondrian - with the power to turn into anything with right angles - Freddie Kahlo - who can make copies of herself at will - and of course their leader Marcus "Marky" Duchamp, with the power to make anything from found objects. Together they solve art crimes and try to foil the world domination plans of the mysterious Christo. I would watch this TV show.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:04
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Mo_Steel posted:I get the sense that the FBI are an actual good intelligence agency where the CIA / NSA are spying, torturing fucksticks. Is that accurate? Yup. They got overruled on the torturing thing by the CIA/Bush administration to the extent that they would treat overseas suspect like they would American citizens, get the information, until the CIA would barge in and waterboard those same people hundred times for no particular reason. This is covered in all kinds of media from Frontline to the book American Torture, both of which I highly recommend.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:11
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"Christo is planning on inflating a balloon around the Earth, and there's only one man capable of building a bow and arrow big enough to stop him" "Old Man Oldenburg? But he's still in jail after we stopped him from deflating the Superbowl"
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Feb 12, 2016 16:17
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prefect posted:Asked whether that was in response to any specific threat, Bretzing said only, “Several things that have happened over the last 41 days that have led us to believe this a prudent thing to do.” I love how hilariously understated officials statements can be sometimes. Also I'm assuming there probably aren't any booby traps just because I'm pretty sure the militia people would of accidentally set them off long ago if they had tried to set any up. . Still no way in hell you would want anybody to go inside the refuge without a real thorough check first. Also I feel really sorry for whoever's stuck with the task of clean up all the poo poo buckets left behind. Poor bastards
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Feb 12, 2016 16:20
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This is beautiful. Has some nice duckbutt.DeathSandwich posted:David Fry Suicide Power Hours
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Feb 12, 2016 16:21
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Al! posted:After a routine conceptual investigation exposed them to radioactive Fluxus they became the Art Squad! With Pete Mondrian - with the power to turn into anything with right angles - Freddie Kahlo - who can make copies of herself at will - and of course their leader Marcus "Marky" Duchamp, with the power to make anything from found objects. Together they solve art crimes and try to foil the world domination plans of the mysterious Christo. I want to see the action figures of this on shelves now.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:22
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shoplifter posted:Didn't see this posted unless I accidentally skipped a page: So how long do you think it will be before she monetizes her involvement in the incident? Two weeks?
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Feb 12, 2016 16:24
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Shageletic posted:So how long do you think it will be before she monetizes her involvement in the incident? Two weeks? I mean she was already trying to monetize it while it was happening by crowing on about book deals.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:27
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm willing to bet he also can't really see what he's aiming at with such a tiny gap he's shooting through with iron sights, unless the BLM guys were in a bucket truck raised in front of the bridge. Not that I expect any level of 1337 SNYPa SkILlZ from these chucklefucks, but the more you look at the photo the sillier it gets. Setting the rifle itself aside, he's resting his rails directly on hard concrete, which afaik is not something a pro would do, a pro would rest the rifle on a sandbag, across their backpack, or at least a wadded-up jacket or hat. Also, he's got a firing loophole but is sticking his muzzle into it like it's a snizz on prom night. Best I know, when you have a firing loophole you're supposed to back up behind it to mimize the attention your muzzle/flash/dust draws. In a static position like this where you control the environment and had time, I'd think you'd want to open a slightly larger gap and back way up from it so heavily restrict the angles at which anyone can see you or return fire. I can't post on TinyPic since they're blocking my IP since my server is run through Democratic Republic of Congo (seriously), but here's a mil diagram showing how to use a loophole: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/21-75/FigD-20.gif So in short, he put way too much effort into having clever Velcro patches and awesome sunglasses, when spending $400 at a pawnshop to get an old deer rifle, and a few hours per evening reading publicly available military sniping manuals, would've massively increased his actual utility as a "sniper".
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Feb 12, 2016 16:32
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So I wrote up a pretty lengthy article detailing the timeline of events and the most important people involved in the story. It's not incredibly detailed, just a general overview of the most important points for anyone who wants a decent understanding of the situation. That said, it's 17 pages long (7422 words). Would it be untoward to just put it in a post here? Should I host it somewhere else?TapTheForwardAssist posted:Also, he's got a firing loophole but is sticking his muzzle into it like it's a snizz on prom night. Best I know, when you have a firing loophole you're supposed to back up behind it to mimize the attention your muzzle/flash/dust draws. In a static position like this where you control the environment and had time, I'd think you'd want to open a slightly larger gap and back way up from it so heavily restrict the angles at which anyone can see you or return fire. This actually reminds me of a funny story from an airsoft game. We were playing in a squad that included Hunter, an Alaska National Guard veteran. After we successfully captured a town, Hunter tried to get the squad to rally up. Everyone listened except a teenager in a cheap (possibly homemade) ghillie suit and a canvas-wrapped sniper rifle, who was standing inside a tower with half his rifle sticking out through the window. "I'M SNIPING!" Hunter pointed out that he was an idiot and everyone could see him, ghillie suit or not. Every time I see these guys cosplaying war at stuff like the Bundy standoff or Malheur occupation, I end up being reminded of dumb kids playing airsoft. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 16:40
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chitoryu12 posted:So I wrote up a pretty lengthy article detailing the timeline of events and the most important people involved in the story. It's not incredibly detailed, just a general overview of the most important points for anyone who wants a decent understanding of the situation. That said, it's 17 pages long (7422 words). Would it be untoward to just put it in a post here? Should I host it somewhere else? Host it remotely and ask the OP to put it in the OP.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:50
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skaboomizzy posted:Serious question: how do you defend these assholes in court? I don't know about the rest of them but for all of the "land rights" people (which I assume includes the Bundy's) their whole argument basically rests on not recognizing that the federal government is legally allowed by the constitution to own land. This is despite court rulings that say otherwise (including a supreme court ruling as well I believe). So basically, they don't really have an argument unless they somehow get it all the way up to the Supreme Court again and it decides to go against a past ruling. It's the same exact stuff they've tried in the past and gotten shot down on, but it's the only real argument they have it seems like to me. I guess they might also go for the "we were peacefully protesting we shouldn't be held in this conspiracy charge" and maybe it'll just come down to fighting that and not pushing the land rights agenda, but either way I don't think they have much of a case. They clearly did illegal things that they claimed weren't illegal and got themselves on camera doing and saying it.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:58
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The whole movement's defense is pretty much "the government is illegal so crimes don't exist"
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Feb 12, 2016 17:05
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All right here's my entire article in a Google Doc. Let me know if you see any mistakes or think I missed anything important!
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Feb 12, 2016 17:07
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Al! posted:I think being punished by having one of those "no computers" restraining orders placed on him may help out with his paranoid delusions, coupled with powerful therapeutic intervention. And in a decade or so he can have a real solid meet-cute with Angelina Jolie.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:13
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Intel&Sebastian posted:And in a decade or so he can have a real solid meet-cute with Angelina Jolie. He could easily be the weirdo tech guy on CSI: Bumfuck
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Feb 12, 2016 17:17
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dr_rat posted:If this was a crappy 90's kids movie the judge would sentence him to five year of helping out the local park rangers at a wild life reserve, out in the wilderness well away from any computer, and being out in nature would clear his mind and he would become a better person for it. And honestly if that happened it would probably be the best thing for him. If I judge sentenced Fry to work with me, I would shoot the judge.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:20
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Al! posted:"Christo is planning on inflating a balloon around the Earth, and there's only one man capable of building a bow and arrow big enough to stop him" Quick, someone get Shonda Rhimes on the phone.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:23
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Banning Frylo Ren from computers is just the plot of Hackers which I like. Then I look at Fry and realize that he looks like Phreak from that movie and I lose all interest.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:26
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Well, from my conservative (insane) acquaintances, I'm learning that it's unfair that Cliven Bundy was arrested for owing under a million dollars to the government, but Al Sharpton is allowed to walk free despite owing $4.5M. Yes, Bundy was arrested over the money, that's definitely the issue.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:50
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No Butt Stuff posted:Well, from my conservative (insane) acquaintances, I'm learning that it's unfair that Cliven Bundy was arrested for owing under a million dollars to the government, but Al Sharpton is allowed to walk free despite owing $4.5M. Michele Fiore also owes to the tune of $1 million, something I found when researching her for my article on the occupation. She blamed it on her ex-husband being a lovely accountant and a former employee embezzling and claiming false debts to cover it up. She actually got booted out of her legislature position....for less than 24 hours before they reinstated her.
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Aaaargh god dammit I just thought of an awesome burn that would have been entirely approrpiate when they were getting rolled by the feds. Sic Transit Gloria Bundy.
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