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It's probably just safe to say on the whole that most of the things people liked about Abyss had the opposite effect for me. The parts of the script some found ambitious and clever I just thought were forced and melodramatic, and the darker parts of the plot kept dropping into farce. The triple whammy of Act I Luke, Mieu, and Ion didn't help my initial impressions either.
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Motto posted:Immediately responding to a child's death with self-concerned whining and deflection is bad, imo On the other hand, expecting someone to be able to immediately accept they just murdered a town of thousands is also extremely unreasonable. Nobody comes out of that scene looking very good and I think at least a few of the characters ended up reflecting on it and coming to understand that at least a bit (Guy and Tear, maybe Jade too?).
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Sep 7, 2016 01:11
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the things you liked about vesperia didn't work for me  except rita. rita was cool. push yuri into a river and let estelle be the protagonist with her sidekick rita, imo
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Sep 7, 2016 01:11
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Endorph posted:the things you liked about vesperia didn't work for me It's still so bizarre that one of Vesperia's pivotal plot points has Yuri unironically repeating word-for-word a character motivation he openly rebuked a few hours ago and it's never pointed out by the game itself. Vesperia's character interactions were aces but it feels like two different scripts awkwardly welded together.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:13
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TheKingofSprings posted:On the other hand, expecting someone to be able to immediately accept they just murdered a town of thousands is also extremely unreasonable. The only person who doesn't have a big arc about that is Natalia, but then, Natalia wasn't that harsh on him during that scene to begin with - she was pretty focused on Asch.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:15
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TheKingofSprings posted:On the other hand, expecting someone to be able to immediately accept they just murdered a town of thousands is also extremely unreasonable. Guy and Tear do pretty quickly, and Jade and Anise have a couple of skits talking about how they misjudged Luke and admiring how he is actually doing everything he can to make up for it. They don't tell Luke this because they're jerks, but the sentiment is there. Natalia's the one who doesn't get much focus on it but she was the only member of the party not keeping secrets and her reprimanding of Luke basically came down to "you're like a completely different person than when you were a kid" which is completely accurate. So I don't blame her for it.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:17
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Another cool part of the Akzerituth scene is that Mieu is the only one who understands what Luke's going through and sympathises with him for it because he also accidentally killed a punch of people and got ostracised by his friends and family for it. And it's very weird in a way I enjoy that the annoying mascot character is the one trying to level with the main protagonist over their shared experience of accidental murder.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:20
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Phantasium posted:Oh yeah, does Berseria still block recording like 99% of the game? Or did only localized Zestiria do that? Yes. It sucks.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:43
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laaaaaaame
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Sep 7, 2016 01:47
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I would have livetweeted this game so much. I don't get this.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:50
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Probably some draconian japanese copyright law as usual.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:52
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american developers do it too. it's just developers being dumb.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:53
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Anyway I feel like there's a chance Berseria will also have these conversations because early Velvet is also a pretty awful person, she's just surrounded by pretty good+entertaining foils. And Phi, who is not a foil but is still a good counterbalance as well as a softening agent. That process begins pretty quickly, too, so that helps. I keep forgetting to say aloud how much I think Rina Sato's performance makes certain critical parts of Berseria. I really hope the dub does that justice.
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Sep 7, 2016 01:59
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i think part of the reaction to abyss is the specific ways in which luke is awful. luke is awful in that he's a coward, he's petty, he's annoying, and he's a brat. velvet is awful in that she's violent, cruel, and amoral. luke is outright unpleasant to spend time with - which is part of the point, but it doesn't exactly make you sit down and want to spend 80 hours with him. velvet isn't an unpleasant character, even when she's at her worst. She's not a good person, but she's still pretty engaging and charismatic. She banters with Magilou, she taunts Rokurou. Luke just whines at, uh, everyone. And unlike Luke, who requires a pretty huge shock to the system to break out of it, Velvet's growth is more gradual, and you can see that she isn't quite as much of a villain as she likes to pretend to be pretty early on. Not to mention, there's the village segment at the start where Velvet is just a normal girl, which makes you more primed to sympathize with her since you can actively see her struggles and how she got to where she is at the start of the plot, as opposed to Luke just whining about how nobody's told him anything. I think they're definitely playing with similar ideas, but there are a lot of reasons why I don't think anyone will be posting about how much they hate Velvs in the early game.
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Sep 7, 2016 02:40
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Caphi posted:I would have livetweeted this game so much. I don't get this. at least the localized version gets a pc release
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Sep 7, 2016 02:51
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I obviously haven't played Berseria, but I understand why someone might bounce off of Luke's character arc, especially considering the length of the game. Luke doesn't even get better though consistent upward progress, or at least it doesn't happen quickly: he starts off a poo poo, shows a few bright points here and there, acts like a major poo poo, and gets broken down. From there he resolves to become a better person, but by the end of Act 2 he still hasn't figured out who he wants to be or ascribed any meaning to his life, and doesn't fully achieve that until the very end of the game. In comparison to another JRPG where a dude acts like a poo poo but learns to become a better person, TWEWY places Neku's lowest points very early in Week 1, and by the end of Day 7 he's accepted Shiki as a valued friend. He's made a big stride towards becoming a better person, and the next two weeks are about dealing with the conflict, loss, and betrayal that come with being open to people. Abyss' take isn't necessarily worse, but I can see how it might rub people the wrong way cropping up in their slicey-diecy action-RPG, especially when it comes in the form of a long-rear end game with pacing issues.
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Sep 7, 2016 02:55
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Endorph posted:i think part of the reaction to abyss is the specific ways in which luke is awful. luke is awful in that he's a coward, he's petty, he's annoying, and he's a brat. velvet is awful in that she's violent, cruel, and amoral. luke is outright unpleasant to spend time with - which is part of the point, but it doesn't exactly make you sit down and want to spend 80 hours with him. velvet isn't an unpleasant character, even when she's at her worst. She's not a good person, but she's still pretty engaging and charismatic. She banters with Magilou, she taunts Rokurou. Luke just whines at, uh, everyone. That is all fair and Tales of Berseria is very good. I still want to talk about Sato though because her shouting is very good, and the difference she draws between regular Velvet and village mode Velvet and big sis Velvet and trauma depressed Velvet is amazing and the script does good things with it. From a shouting standpoint Velvet's endgame is kind of a wash because on the one hand there are basically no opportunities to use Ambivalence, the best Consume Claw finisher in this and all other categories, but on the other hand it's all you can eat on Hell Claw and Impulse Desire. Which reminds me, another reason I want a break from these very fast frenzied LMBSs - they tend to a lot of omitted or abbreviated spell incantations outside of Mystic Artes, and I love some dumb tryhard magical chanting. I'm glad we finally got Indignation back but I kind of wanted it as a regular spell, and now all the more in a game that has room for an extended poem.
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pretty much all the jp voice cast is amazing, yeah. Sato is superb, but the, uh, other Sato... Man, their names are even spelled the same way. Apparently no relation, too. It's weird. Then again, I guess it's not exactly an uncommon name. Anyway, I was really impressed with Magilou's va. She's easily the kind of character that could have been grating, but I thought Satomi Sato did an excellent job keeping her on the fun side of annoying. Hopefully the dub nails that, too. I'll be sure to report on when/if the simuldub for Zesty the X gets to the Berseria episodes. Anyway, the best combat shouting is Magilou's mystic artes.
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Sep 7, 2016 03:02
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Does Laura Bailey still do anime games?
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Motto posted:Does Laura Bailey still do anime games? she still does her legacy roles like chun-li, but she hasn't taken on a new job in that area in a while. so, like, michelle ruff? michelle ruff could be our velvet.
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Sep 7, 2016 03:07
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All the voice work is pretty solid, I just think Velvet did a very good job with a lot of very sensitive scenes. Though yeah, Satomi Sato gets a bunch of really good ones too "If Velvet could do it, surely I can!" and also delivers every silly line perfectly. ﾅｯｶﾞﾚﾎﾞｼ～* I mean I probably like all the performances because I like all the characters. Bienfu is pushing it a little. * I hope you like the voice clip for Tamayura, and I hope you still like it in English, because you'll probably be doing it a lot if you want to complete Chamballoon.
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Sep 7, 2016 03:17
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I honestly came around on Bienfu as a character, he had some amazing skits, but yeah his voice, uh, never improved. I hope the dub dials him back a bit. Or give him a deep male voice with a sexy french accent. That'd be hilarious.
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Sep 7, 2016 03:18
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I think a high, sort of squeaky male voice would actually be best for Bienfu, but the Teepo voice would be perfectly functional assuming it didn't sound too much like Phi's. But I do want them to dial back his dumb accent, however they translate it. e: to clarify I meant that I am also good with where Bienfu ended up as a character but his voice is bad. Caphi fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 03:22
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Laura Bailey could do a great Velvet. I don't actually know anything about Velvet, but Laura Bailey could voice-act a table lamp and make it the best performance in the script.
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My favorite Bienfu skit is the one where he goes to Grimoire for help and she says something like like "Oh, are we having a chit-chat the night before the final battle? That's for young couples who are embarrassingly in love." But the rest of the skit is also legitimately good and sweet and Bienfu is good in it. I want to talk more about Grimoire and I can't, but you talk about how Berseria has amazing NPCs, and everyone is thinking of Dyle because he's the one everyone knows about from the magazines and because he's a lizardman ha ha ha (Dyle is a good character though), but I thought Grimoire was going to be a one-off plot helper from the trial version and then she was one of my favorite characters.
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Sep 7, 2016 04:12
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it's insane how many good characters berseria has. the npcs popping up in a few skits helps a lot.
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Sep 7, 2016 04:23
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Let's have Minae Noji come back and do the voice for english Velvet.
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Sep 7, 2016 04:58
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Pureauthor posted:Let's have Minae Noji come back and do the voice for english Velvet. and i think doing a jrpg was just a weird thing she did once for kicks since she hasn't done anything else like it
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Anyway upon a bit of reflection on the Stairway to Heaven, I still think it's an uncompelling hook and I'm a little pessimistic that it's going to result in anything but obnoxious villains and another overplotted prophecy story, but I also think it's set up to bring closure to both Phi's and Sorey's dreams/motivations that they've built (well, nominally) over the last two games. I say all this mainly to explain why I think they're planning to do one more Wasteland game after all. 
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Sep 7, 2016 05:05
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what if the hook is for tales of zestiria the x, and that show goes somewhere completely crazy
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Sep 7, 2016 05:06
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oh, also, berseria is getting a manga, so i looked up the artist, and i can see how they got this job...
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Sep 7, 2016 06:34
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that is a oddly specific torn area on his pants
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Sep 7, 2016 06:37
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Endorph posted:oh, also, berseria is getting a manga, so i looked up the artist, and i thought he had three legs at first
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Sep 7, 2016 12:01
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Erg posted:i thought he had three legs at first Heh, well
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I was browsing the Aselia wiki looking at the Titles in Abyss (because someone had the genius idea to never state their effect in game), and I suddenly came across tales_of_sidequests.txtquote:
Have we actually had anything like this since Graces? I don't remember any, and we actually have a quest log now too so even if such a thing did exist it at least couldn't be this bad.
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Oxxidation posted:It's still so bizarre that one of Vesperia's pivotal plot points has Yuri unironically repeating word-for-word a character motivation he openly rebuked a few hours ago and it's never pointed out by the game itself. That's how I felt too. It was very disjointed. Ironically your point about a point being passed over was passed over.
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Amppelix posted:I was browsing the Aselia wiki looking at the Titles in Abyss (because someone had the genius idea to never state their effect in game), and I suddenly came across tales_of_sidequests.txt The real kicker about this sidequest is that his costume looks like poo poo.
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Amppelix posted:I was browsing the Aselia wiki looking at the Titles in Abyss (because someone had the genius idea to never state their effect in game), and I suddenly came across tales_of_sidequests.txt
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Amppelix posted:I was browsing the Aselia wiki looking at the Titles in Abyss (because someone had the genius idea to never state their effect in game), and I suddenly came across tales_of_sidequests.txt This exact quest got my friend to quit the game, because the load times of the PS2 version were a nightmare. I'm sure it's fine on the 3ds version though.
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