Mirificus posted:

Scruffpuff posted:

That's extremely close to the feeling, but all the definitions I found online don't account for the added dimension of the person you're feeling embarrassed for being obviously proud.

You can feel fremdschamen for someone who is also rightfully embarrassed for themselves. What do you feel when the person should be embarrassed, but is exactly the opposite?

It's like a fremdschamen force multiplier.

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Chris Roberts was already rich. he didnt do this to get rich.

you dont get rich by hiring hundreds of employees and opening game studios around the world.

also, while i understand where you are coming from, this is nothing like what EA does.

you get exactly what you purchase in the game, and this is for a game that needs to actively seek funding to actually get finished.

its actually not unusual for kickstarter campaigns to have 10000$ tiers and stuff in the funding page.

the only difference here is you get in game items instead of like, flying down to meet the people who made the kickstarter or whatever else they could give you for donating that much.

also, you can actually get a ship and the game for 45 bucks. there are slightly higher tiers too, nobody has to spend that much money to get the game, and most/all of the expensive ships in game are meant to be crewed by multiple people. they will also be more expensive to run and more limited in where they can go, who they can fight. ships are specialized to a point where honestly, in game, its not gonna matter that these people have crazy ships. its only gonna be organizations (guilds) that actually will be capable of using them all the time.

while i do think this was a bad PR move, i dont necessarily disagree with its existence. keep raising money i say, i just want a sweet space mmo.

You say as if the only package or the only way to buy ships is if you buy the 27k one! There are a variety of packages and 27k is the ultimate one for any ultra-rich/passionate(or an org) person to buy.
Second,, in two years we had planetary tech with currently 3 moons with different biomes that players can in real time land on and explore with new ground vehicles like cyclone, hover bikes and more. Cargo transportation missions and player-generated service beacon missions.soon in coming months we shall see mining, refining, repairing, fuel related gameplay.
And many more planets, star systems ,game mechanics,
missions and ships are being worked on. Soon with object container streaming, we may also see faster framerates.
I believe those are enough reasons.

The critics should care to note that all ships and other items (like plots) are nothing but pledge money. It goes directly to fund the game.
Second, this pack has been available since the very beginning of the project and now has been updated.
Third, the ones who buy this pack are ultra-rich or ultra-passionate folks(or both) who want to have every ship in the game or an organization containing thousands (and even tens of thousands) of members.
Fourth, neither in the game development nor the way funding should be done there is any precedence or industry-standard of this scale and level for CIG to follow. So they do their best to be transparent with the backers by weekly publishing Q&A (Calling All Devs), Reverse the Verse and feature shows like Around the Verse (which also contains studio updates or S42 updates).

Now if you are an impatient person that always want things instantly (but of low quality) then this game is not meant for you, find a new one or get a new hobby.
Or you can also do that in the meanwhile and wait patiently like we all supporters have since 1998, when the undertaker threw mankind off hell in a cell, and plummeted 16 feet through an announcer's table.
Long post over.

XK posted:

This guy wrote this in the last 24 hours. People put off writing doctoral thesis' of this length for months. What the gently caress consumer segment is this?

Agony Aunt posted:

Nice list of backer excuses, but you missed "you just don't understand software development"

quote:

Star Citizen Defense Playbook:

Timeline Criticisms:
CIG had to build a company from scratch, including hiring, building studios around the globe, etc.
R&D doesn't count.
All those games had engines already made. CIG is building their engine from scratch. It is called "Star Engine."
Those other games actually started development and R&D way before those dates, don't you know anything?
Star Citizen already has way more content than any of those games.
Star Citizen is doing something that literally no one has ever attempted before. Ground-breaking innovations take time.
Those games are bad because money-grubbing publishers forced them out the door before devs could make them into something good. Star Citizen doesn't have publishers, and no deadlines, so this means Star Citizen will be better.
This new era of gamers are impatient little bitches. I don't mind the wait, I have patience. I keep pledging so Chris Roberts will have as much time as he needs to recognize his vision.

Bugs, Lack of Content Criticisms
Star Citizen is more transparent than any other company, ever. You're seeing how the sausage is made.
There is way more content than they are showing us because they don't want to spoil it.
What are you talking about? I just spent <X> hours playing the game it's great/runs great/no bugs/perfectly smooth/amazing.
You obviously don't understand game development. Bugs like this are totally normal for a game in this stage of development. Have you ever heard of Alpha??
Don't be a part of early access if you can't handle some bugs.
All of those things you just listed are on the schedule, they will be delivered in <patch number>
They are doing a lot of the ground-work tech / pipelines that will pave the way for faster content creation later.
Oh, they already have the tech for <most of new feature that came out of nowhere>, it's not much effort to add.

Funding Model, Sales, Marketing Criticisms
Star Citizen is doing something different. They are bypassing the greedy publisher model only cares about profit and kills innovation.
Nobody is forcing you to pledge.
I backed the game because I believe in Chris Roberts's vision, it's the game I've always dreamed of playing.
All the ships that can be bought can be acquired in-game, therefore not pay-to-win.
The game does not have subscriptions. You can subscribe to help pay for weekly content which gives us insights into game development never before seen.
You're not buying land! You're buying the ability to claim land. Huge difference.
It's not a scam. They have offices all over the world and the game is playable right now.
CIG is not in any kind of financial trouble, just look at the funding tracker.

General Rebuttals
Why are you even commenting if you hate the game so much? What kind of sad person just goes around tearing things down?
Oh look, another Derek Smart alt trying to spread lies and mis-information about Star Citizen because he's jealous.
Known troll/goon. Downvote and move on.
How many AAA games have YOU released?
You are entitled to NOTHING.
Even if the game never comes out, I’m proud to be a part of it, at least Chris is trying.

XK posted:

This guy wrote this in the last 24 hours. People put off writing doctoral thesis' of this length for months. What the gently caress consumer segment is this?

G0RF posted:

As a public service for both Goons and Lurkers (including you, Vertice!), I present to you a Starloop reddit highlight reel.

Keep in mind while reading it, ye lurkers (including you, Vertice!), the abject contempt this member of supposedly good standing within your community has for you. Ask yourself how could a fellow citizen be so supportive of so many of CIG’s worst practices and so contemptuous of your own rights as consumers? From where I’m standing, such a person looks just like the toxic trash we warned about two years back. The enemy within, as it were...

Surely, there will be some rationalization, some obvious reason that such a presence is entirely welcomed in the community. I can’t figure it out myself and the only conclusions I can come up with seem a little, well, insane and infuriating. So they can’t possibly be true.

Here is a graphic that might prove helpful in categorizing what kind of Citizen this is:



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Starloop outlines a “less honest” but “perfectly valid” tactic for turning Referral targets into backers. Wait for big hype events and reveals and then make the pitch: “Recruits convert better at max hype with the latest eye candy.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8qmutr/comment/e0kf7is?st=JICHQKQS&sh=bd3ba350

“gently caress the melters. Honestly.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8hy5oy/comment/dynkbdp?st=JIB59LNA&sh=7a0da1f8

“Awww another hater is butthurt.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8k7eod/comment/dz893mg?st=JIB4HWOW&sh=c9685ab4

Actually pretending the BBC(!) coverage was good PR not a PR failure of the highest order and directing people to look to the funds tracker for proof.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8n1pdx/comment/dzs2svc?st=JIBTEKH5&sh=425096d6

“You inundate cig support wish(sic) your trash.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8bwhym/comment/dxcmojj?st=JIBAIVOR&sh=f7731969

Applauding the much maligned Referral program:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/81zp6i/comment/dv6twrc?st=JIBAOVM0&sh=49c435a4

Complaints about “attacks” and “hate” from all angles and likening CIG to a David in an industry of Goliaths:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7xr9gy/comment/dubuia4?st=JIBASNUS&sh=ff60d1a5

Makes a bet with a Citizen. Citizen believes 3.0 will launch in November, Starloop is certain it won’t until Q1 2018. Returns after the disasterous December launch to gloat about winning the bet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7a0p9m/comment/dp6k5m0?st=JIBAVOQG&sh=1e2968ba

Defense of land claims:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7gdal5/comment/dqi97pj?st=JIBB0Z7B&sh=eae8f7aa

Excitement about Star Kitten:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7g8r8h/comment/dqhc0zr?st=JIBB1MQE&sh=96505dd8

Use of “retards” to insult other citizens:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7g48ws/comment/dqge31n?st=JIBB2FR9&sh=ac3279b3

Mentions of a new Morrow tour never seen by backers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7fype4/comment/dqg3gxs?st=JIBB3E1X&sh=9119916e

Predicts 3.0 will not arrive until end of 2017, or early 2018. Insults community members and implies special forecasting powers. Sets “remind me” bot. Comes back to individually insult community members who rejected predictions when 3.0 isn’t released:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6pm9mr/comment/dkqhuub

Policing Idris P sales on SC Trades:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/776i1h/comment/doje039?st=JIBBO3KB&sh=8f711cf9

Knowledge that CCUs are going away:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7662r9/comment/dobxuou?st=JIBBPAEU&sh=40fa4cab

“It will be a billion dollar game.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/74kj69/comment/dnze399?st=JIBBR038&sh=21fc20c5

”In 5 to 7 years is game could have upwards of 100m players. We will need to go beyond 100 systems.” (if you have 100 million players yet only a billion dollar game, boy did you screw up...)

Insults of Derek Smart and predictions his face will go into the game:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/72sb21/comment/dnm7eim?st=JIBBST9U&sh=9a2a3721

“Trashing this game in this community will not be taken lightly.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/729x8q/comment/dnh7w2e?st=JIBBU6BT&sh=50fad7b1

Furious defense against “Chris Roberts lied” claims:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/729x8q/comment/dnh2sb6?st=JIBBVRZN&sh=ce4d7ce0

Complaints about the costs to send software updates to backers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/70j93l/comment/dn3kzpm?st=JIBBX77D&sh=c7a7de45

Predictions that paid shills will be sent (presumably by industry) to attack the game as 3.0 nears:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/700dfk/comment/dmzgtak?st=JIBBYPCL&sh=5e619aa8

A criticism of marketing prompts a reply calling the critic Derek’s “gently caress buddy”:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6yn1ly/comment/dmpxf1f?st=JIBC0RIA&sh=d959fe58

“True citizens show their support especially through tough times.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6y4y2r/comment/dmkytnz?st=JIBC4L1B&sh=3fe2b27d

“The game is objectively the best thing on the market.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6w3pv0/comment/dm5vttd?st=JIBCAS8H&sh=66d668e1

What a treasure.

quote:

I can’t figure it out myself and the only conclusions I can come up with seem a little, well, insane and infuriating.

Scruffpuff posted:

I will never forget the embarrassed pain I felt in my stomach when I first saw the Admiral Bishop CGI disaster. I was feeling sympathy pains so hard I thought I had an ulcer. It was so bad, so cringeworthy, so low-quality, and so stupid, and seeing that embarrassment juxtaposed alongside Chris's face beaming with pride - it was too much. I knew then something was horribly wrong with him. Chris is so little of a man that he's qualified to take down the head Ringwraith. He's so ignorant of physics that he gets confused watching Falling Down. He's so ignorant of the industry that on game night he shows up with a dead deer.

XK posted:

Is it more conspiritorial than my Russian thing?

his nibs posted:

I'm downvoting everyone this week: I don't care about my orders from Goon Command

Mirificus posted:

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VictorianQueerLit posted:

Vertisce get on some medication for that paranoia.

Everyone that makes your community look bad isn't part of some kind of shadow conspiracy. I just checked and that prjindigo guy has thousands of posts going back years on r/starcitizen with tens of thousands of karma. That guy is 100% a backer just like everyone else you accuse of being a Something Awful goon purposefully making you guys look retarded.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Everyone that makes your community look bad isn't part of some kind of shadow conspiracy. I just checked and that prjindigo guy has thousands of posts going back years on r/starcitizen with tens of thousands of karma. That guy is 100% a backer just like everyone else you accuse of being a Something Awful goon purposefully making you guys look retarded.

XK posted:

If you ever seriously use the term "FUD", you need to take a personal inventory, and contemplate where you are in life.

This advice isn't even Star Citizen centric, it's universal.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Everyone that makes your community look bad isn't part of some kind of shadow conspiracy. I just checked and that prjindigo guy has thousands of posts going back years on r/starcitizen with tens of thousands of karma. That guy is 100% a backer just like everyone else you accuse of being a Something Awful goon purposefully making you guys look retarded.

XK posted:

If you ever seriously use the term "FUD", you need to take a personal inventory, and contemplate where you are in life.

This advice isn't even Star Citizen centric, it's universal.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Hey Beet, the next time you lead a giant brigading campaign could you please tell me? I never get to do anything fun anymore.

Also can I be a moderator of /r/starcitizen_refunds? I promise to do even less than I do here.

RearmingStrafbomber posted: