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If anything I think we could use the crystals back. That way they can properly shape our history.
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Last Celebration posted:So, what DID happen with FF14? Like, I know the highlights (horribly unoptimized, kind of just unfun) but I just assumed the guy in charge was some lackwit one-hit-wonder for how infamous base FF14 is. Which doesn’t line up with him, you know, having a legacy unless it was mismanaged by Square as a whole (shocking, I know) and he was just the fall guy. The documentary that noclip did is really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0yQKI7Yw4
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Nov 12, 2020 08:19
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This Warring Triad shouldn't be fighting among themselves, but instead, working
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Nov 12, 2020 08:30
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Frankly, I think the legacy of the crystals could stand to shape our history for a bit longer.
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Nov 12, 2020 08:44
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The crystals have held the reins of history long enough imo
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Nov 12, 2020 09:39
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I say : the crystals will make America great again!
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Nov 12, 2020 09:51
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Smashing the crystals would be the best thing to happen to the job market.
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Nov 12, 2020 09:57
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I would like to ask the crystals an extremely long and meandering question that's vaguely about employment, please?
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Nov 12, 2020 10:20
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Come out ye crystal man, come out and fight me like a man
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Nov 12, 2020 10:38
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personally I think it’s high time the reins of history were back in the hands of man
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Nov 12, 2020 10:39
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FF and other jRPG developers keep making games about immortal/old beings ruling the world with tradition and abusing the youth to fight their battles for them because that's basically Japanese politics.
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Nov 12, 2020 10:44
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I dont really see anybody rebelling against the Japanese party setup given the LDP has basically been continuously in power since 1955, also 50% of japans population will be 50 or older in 2025.
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Nov 12, 2020 10:49
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bewilderment posted:FF and other jRPG developers keep making games about immortal/old beings ruling the world with tradition and abusing the youth to fight their battles for them because that's basically Japanese politics. Kudos to Persona 5 for innovating by just taking away the subtext and literally making 'fight the Prime Minister and his power structure' the text of their game.
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Nov 12, 2020 11:50
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If only Persona 5 did anything other than a completely toothless "hey look isn't this bad, oh well".
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Nov 12, 2020 12:00
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Cleretic posted:Kudos to Persona 5 for innovating by just taking away the subtext and literally making 'fight the Prime Minister and his power structure' the text of their game. It's more fight the fringe conservative party leader, and then kill the devil because he was behind society's issues anyway.
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Nov 12, 2020 12:04
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SyntheticPolygon posted:It's more fight the fringe conservative party leader, and then kill the devil because he was behind society's issues anyway. I mean The devil was explicitly the personification of people’s desires for somebody else to handle things
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Nov 12, 2020 12:07
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Sure, but that's still not really destroying the prime minister and his power structure.
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Nov 12, 2020 12:10
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The main overriding message of Persona is "growing up means learning to conform and accept your predetermined place in society".
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Nov 12, 2020 12:16
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Sure, but that's still not really destroying the prime minister and his power structure. Doesn’t he resign and admit to all his wrongdoing? It’s just that nobody cares on account of anthropomorphic personification of apathy
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Nov 12, 2020 12:18
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He wasn't the Prime Minister yet, he was the challenger taking on the incumbent. Who is never shown or mentioned but who was implicitly doing just fine. The moral of the story being do not upset the status quo.
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Nov 12, 2020 12:24
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Also, you do fight the party leader on the day when he's elected Prime Minister. I'm willing to count 'Prime Minister-Elect' as Prime Minister. I'd argue that election day is literally the worst time you could pick to attack the Prime Minister(-Elect), but I don't know how exactly Japan votes, and also will never argue dramatics or the stupidity of dipshit teens.
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Nov 12, 2020 12:25
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The villain isn't even the prime minister he's a rising neo-con politician who split from the LDP to start his own crazier political party. The game acknowledges that this crazy right-wing politician sucks rear end and must be stopped but it avoids commenting on the actual existing political parties and power structures in Japan by having the villain unaffiliated with them. I think he's a fine villain and all but I don't think Persona 5 is a particularly good example of a story that very directly confronts how existing power structures are bad actually.
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Nov 12, 2020 12:27
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I never really bought that the slimy evil bald guy wearing gamer glasses was charismatic enough to get elected but i guess crazier things have happened in our hellworld
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Nov 12, 2020 12:51
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I remember a bit where the party sees him campaigning around the city. Ryuji calls him an rear end in a top hat and his response is to come over and threaten him. In the middle of the city. In the middle of a loving crowd. They build him up as this unstoppable chessmaster, and he does dumb bullshit like this.
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Nov 12, 2020 12:59
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I can't imagine how people could believe a high ranking politician could be playing 4D chess whilst also obviously being dumb as poo poo.
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Nov 12, 2020 13:04
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Honestly for all the game's flaws (and it does have many), 'Shido is unrealistic' isn't one of them, we just wish it was. Persona 5 takes place in 2016. The most unrealistic part of Shido is that he needed mind control science-magic to win an election that year.
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Nov 12, 2020 13:05
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I think Shido was also a reference to Noboru Wataya from The Windup Bird Chronicle, who was also a nationalist politician who rises to power by exploiting the Japanese national psyche and is also defeated by beating his psychic avatar to death in a collective unconscious dreamworld
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Nov 12, 2020 13:33
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More FF games should collab with Chrono Trigger/Cross
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Nov 12, 2020 16:22
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"Fire Crystal, it says here that if you are elected Primarch, you will, and I quote, 'Bring the heat', with a new skills program for Dual Wielding and X-Fight. How do you reply?" *The crystal sheds its light silently...*
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Nov 12, 2020 16:30
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Bear in mind that it's not a far stretch to assume that rejecting the Occuria and their crystal gifts of fantasy nukes directly lead to the cataclysm in FF12's future and FFT's past that destroyed the highly advanced civilizations of Ivalice and paved the way for the rise of the messes found in FFT. The moral of the story being crystals are good actually and having a higher power hold mankind's hand because otherwise they just blow each other up with manufacted crystal nukes and kill all the magic races is a good thing.
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Nov 12, 2020 16:50
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thetoughestbean posted:I mean It's worth pointing out that the devil wasn't even the devil, and thinking he was misses the point. Yaldabaoth comes from Gnosticism, and is the Demiurge: the god that thinks it's God but isn't actually the supreme being and can only play at the real supreme being's perfection. The Demiurge is sometimes, but not always, assumed to the the God of Abraham; us suckers who worship the Demiurge are either being tricked by a malevolent deity or blind to the truth of reality that lays beyond it. So P5 is very much an "attack and dethrone god" story. The party is more aligned with the devil, or Satan specifically, in this case.
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Nov 12, 2020 17:12
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FF16’s crystals are a part of the world’s geography, which, yeah, shape the history of a world more than anything else. Does this mean Clive Shardbert Rosfield’s goal of revenge will culminate in catastrophic terraforming?
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Nov 12, 2020 18:28
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How do you stop the legacy of the crystals from shaping your history when the ground is crystals?
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Nov 12, 2020 18:41
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Kill the Ground
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Nov 12, 2020 18:44
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Bow down overdweller
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Nov 12, 2020 18:45
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DrakePegasus posted:Shardbert OH. My God. Why didn't I come up with that for Ardbert
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Nov 12, 2020 18:45
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DrakePegasus posted:FF16’s crystals are a part of the world’s geography, which, yeah, shape the history of a world more than anything else. Does this mean Clive Shardbert Rosfield’s goal of revenge will culminate in catastrophic terraforming? looking out my window at a mountain and thinking "i'm sick of that loving rock"
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Nov 12, 2020 18:57
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We're going to use the crystals to put Bahamut back together and kick his rear end. Or whatever the drake in every mothercrystal name is supposed to be, but safe guess.
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Nov 12, 2020 19:01
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Violet_Sky posted:More FF games should collab with Chrono Trigger/Cross How about anything new with the Chrono series? Anything at all?  Edit: get Xeen to make a 3D Chrono Trigger remake, complete with awful VAs.
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Nixon took us off the crystal standard because France was going to cash out a chunk of our reserves and, as any JRPG player knows, you have to hoard your magic and restoratives until the very final battle or else you'll run out of them like a short-sighted IDIOT.
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