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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
I'll do my part to help

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DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 126: Episode 5, Day 2, Trial: Contradicting Perspectives





There's one clear lie here that explains a lot of oddities with Angel Starr's testimony.



What is significant about this fact?



Pointless to lie... I see!
Sound: Realization



It would mean...


Sound: Drama Pound



A different location!?

Now that's a pointless lie if I ever heard one!
Sound: Objection




Sound: Objection

...That one could've been worded better, Phoenix.

quote:

She's lying about what she saw, but not with respect to the phone call that we're currently discussing.

She lied about what she saw! In other words,

she didn't see Ms. Skye using that emergency phone!
Sound: Objection

It does seem hard to imagine how she could have!
Sound: Light Bulb

Very logical!

The judge seems easily impressed by the proseuctors and their witnesses early on in trials, but he's equally easily impressed by our own (often incorrect) deductions.

...

...

Music: Silence

(What's the matter, Starr? Cat got your lunchbox?)

Um, Mr. Wright... I hate to bother you while you're celebrating your victory...

But why would

Ms. Starr lie like that?
Sound: Realization

Huh?
Sound: Light Bulb

Why would she say that my sister had tried to use the phone, but failed?

It doesn't make any sense! Why lie about something so insignificant?

Oh... (Dang, she's right!)

I mean, maybe she really did see her try to use the emergency phone.

I see no room for doubt here.
Sound: Realization



You ordered the P'tooey on rice, right?
Sound: Realization

...Watermelon seeds?

Mr. Wright!
Sound: Whack

And I thought you had something there!
Sound: Damage 2

There's the penalty...

Ugh.

(One... one more try!)

Music: Pressing Pursuit - Cornered

Hmph. I see it in your eyes. You haven't learned your lesson, have you?

Tell us exactly what lie this witness has told the court!

(Here's where the counter-attack begins! I can't afford to get this wrong!)

The witness lied about...

And we're brought back to the original prompt, two health sections shorter.

quote:

Saying that Ms. Starr is lying about the order of events could work, but doesn't really make sense with everything else we know so far.

She lied about the order of events!

Ms. Skye used that emergency phone BEFORE the murder!

I-I see!
Sound: Light Bulb

I hadn't thought of that!

...

...

Music: Silence

(That took the wind out of her sails!)

Um, Mr. Wright... I hate to bother you while you're celebrating your victory...

But...

why would anyone use the emergency phone before the murder?
Sound: Realization

Um, well, maybe that's how she lured Goodman there? Wait, that doesn't help us either.

Huh?
Sound: Light Bulb

Just when you think he can't sink any lower, he amazes us. I applaud you, Mr. Wright.
Sound: Realization



You ordered the Orange-peel Lunchbox, right?
Sound: Realization

I guess that teaches me to not get excited BEFORE the evidence!
Sound: Damage 2

And the penalty.

Ugh.

(One... one more try!)

Music: Pressing Pursuit - Cornered

Hmph. I see it in your eyes. You haven't learned your lesson, have you?

Tell us exactly what lie this witness has told the court!

(Here's where the counter-attack begins! I can't afford to get this wrong!)

The witness lied about...

One more try!

Music: Silence


Sound: Gavel

Let me ask a question to our clever wordsmith, Mr. Wright.



Music: Logic and Trick

(All the testimony we've heard until now points in one direction...)



Watch out for the penalty here...



Only this location makes any sense out of Ms. Starr's testimony.




Sound: Desk Slam

This is the only place where she could have been.
Sound: Realization

quote:

Choosing the area near the telephone, behind the partition, is a valid answer, but...




Sound: Desk Slam

If she was here, she could see the emergency phone!
Sound: Objection

Music: Silence

Th-that's true!

That solves the mystery!
Sound: Light Bulb



That would allow her to see the emergency phone, yes...

But if she was there...

She would have been able to arrest her well before she dialed her cell phone!
Sound: Drama Pound

Oh...
Sound: Realization

You doubt my speed?

I can run 150 feet in nine seconds, you know!
Sound: Objection

(Is that really that fast?)

No, that's... not fast. But she was only 30 feet away, anyway...

Not as fast as your witty rejoinders!
Sound: Whack
Sound: Damage 2

Okay, we deserve a penalty if even the judge is dunking on us.

Ah... uh, yes, Your Honor.

Music: Logic and Trick

(All the testimony we've heard until now points in one direction...)

The place from where Ms. Starr witnessed this crime was... here!

Try again!

quote:

Any other location gives a generic failure:




Sound: Desk Slam

I think!

Music: Silence

I mean, it's highly likely that's where she was.
Sound: Objection

You "think"?
Sound: Realization

It's "highly likely"?
Sound: Realization

Your cavalier attitude stands in stark contrast to your feeble argument, Mr. Wright.


Sound: Desk Slam

Her being there wouldn't change a thing!
Sound: Whack

Please, Mr. Wright, think before you speak.
Sound: Whack
Sound: Damage 2

Yup, penalty.

Ah... uh, yes, Your Honor.

Music: Logic and Trick

(All the testimony we've heard until now points in one direction...)

The place from where Ms. Starr witnessed this crime was... here!

Well, we still get to try again. Might be running low on health sections if we got this one this wrong.

Music: Silence

The security guard room?
Sound: Light Bulb











Not in this case, Your Honor.
Sound: Realization




Sound: Objection

We must be assuming the elevated view of the security room allowed Ms. Starr to see over the partition. Though Lana's back would've still been to the witness, and the stabbing itself would have been obscured as a result.

Music: Suspense

I remember in your testimony, you said...


Sound: Realization


Sound: Desk Slam

Well, Ms. Starr?
Sound: Drama Pound

...



To think that the tables could be turned...

Today, a man has got the better of Angel Starr!
Sound: Realization


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel

Order! Order!

Witness!


Sound: Whack

I'm not turning back.

The guilty will be punished.



(The guilty... is she talking about Ms. Skye...?)



Why did Ms. Starr lie?

It doesn't make sense!
Sound: Realization

Huh?



It wouldn't change anything!
Sound: Light Bulb

Exactly!



Now there's a thought. How did she get a picture from this angle, if she was in the security room?


Sound: Desk Slam

Music: Silence

That truth still stands!
Sound: Drama Pound



It "still stands"?

I disagree, Mr. Edgeworth.

Wh-what!?
Sound: Light Bulb



That might be the game's first real acknowledgment that perjury is a thing. With the way all these witnesses blatantly lie about everything, I wasn't real sure.

She wouldn't risk that without a good reason!


Sound: Gavel

So, tell us what her reason was, Mr. Wright!

...

Huh? M-me?
Sound: Light Bulb

Who else!?
Sound: Whack





Music: Logic and Trick







Another penalty here. It's a bit of a short update (I'll try for a longer one next time), but this prompt is a good one for some more audience input. Well? What difference makes the difference?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Oh, I just remembered. Someone was playing Ace Attorney 3, and I shared with them the beta designs for Phoenix, Edgeworth, Maya, Grossberg, and Mia.

Upon closer inspection, Maya's beta design looks like Ema, which makes her feeling like budget Maya at the start of this case all the more funny. She's gone full circle!

LJN92
Mar 5, 2014

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Oh, I just remembered. Someone was playing Ace Attorney 3, and I shared with them the beta designs for Phoenix, Edgeworth, Maya, Grossberg, and Mia.

Upon closer inspection, Maya's beta design looks like Ema, which makes her feeling like budget Maya at the start of this case all the more funny. She's gone full circle!



Wait, so that ghoulish bloke is meant to be Edgeworth? Yeesh.

I feel like they recycled that design for Von Karma.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Well, the character concepts are "Attorney, Prosecutor, Assistant, Mentor, and Detective" respectively, so I don't know if that's Edgeworth per se. But considering they're concepts for the first game, I suppose you could also say it is him.

I am glad they changed him, though, because he does look a bit too Snidely Whiplash to take seriously.

LJN92
Mar 5, 2014

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Well, the character concepts are "Attorney, Prosecutor, Assistant, Mentor, and Detective"

Which one of those people is meant to be a detective?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I believe it's the one at the end that has Mia vibes.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Thank goodness they changed the character designs. That bow-tie, ugh.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

DKII posted:

Now there's a thought. How did she get a picture from this angle, if she was in the security room?

I don't think I've thought of this, and I don't recall it getting explained. Guess we'll see.

edit: well, I feel dumb, it gets brought up right away. My memory of this case is spottier than I thought.

davidspackage fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Sep 26, 2023

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

These are some Advance Wars looking characters.

Andy, ???, Sonja, Kanbei and Kindle.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
"Before you call my lie pointless, at least let me tell it!"

This has to be my favorite line from Phoenix thus far.

fatsleepycat
Oct 2, 2021

MarquiseMindfang posted:

These are some Advance Wars looking characters.

Andy, ???, Sonja, Kanbei and Kindle.

Caulder, maybe? Missing the facial hair but a somewhat similar sallow countenance. I could see art of Hawke that portrayed him like this, even if canon doesn't.

The "Phoenix" here also feels very Mega Man to me.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



fatsleepycat posted:

Caulder, maybe? Missing the facial hair but a somewhat similar sallow countenance. I could see art of Hawke that portrayed him like this, even if canon doesn't.

The "Phoenix" here also feels very Mega Man to me.
Yeah, especially "Maya's" thigh-high boots the way they're drawn look very Roll-esque.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

fatsleepycat posted:

Caulder, maybe? Missing the facial hair but a somewhat similar sallow countenance. I could see art of Hawke that portrayed him like this, even if canon doesn't.

The "Phoenix" here also feels very Mega Man to me.

Could equally be Adder as well, yeah, now I think. One of those lot at any rate.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Well, the character concepts are "Attorney, Prosecutor, Assistant, Mentor, and Detective" respectively, so I don't know if that's Edgeworth per se. But considering they're concepts for the first game, I suppose you could also say it is him.

I am glad they changed him, though, because he does look a bit too Snidely Whiplash to take seriously.

Those are extremely first draft designs, and I think it was pretty early in the process that they decided that the prosecutor would work a lot better as a rival and childhood friend than as a straight up villain. That particular design clearly evolved into Manfred von Karma, and Edgeworth was introduced later, so it would actually be fair to say it isn't proto-Edgey.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?
These characters repeatedly saying "blood splatter" instead of "blood spatter" drives me up the loving wall! :argh:

There's no L in "spatter," goddammit! :argh::argh::argh:

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
blood spatter splatters

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

...! posted:

There's no L

But it's not Christmas?

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Either word is acceptable

dotchan
Feb 28, 2008

I wanna get a Super Saiyan Mohawk when I grow up! :swoon:

MarquiseMindfang posted:

These are some Advance Wars looking characters.

Andy, ???, Sonja, Kanbei and Kindle.

??? has very Dracula vibes. If he were wearing a waistcoat and cravat I'd expect to run into him in his office sipping...some sort of liquid in a fluted glass and ranting about the nature of humankind.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
Splatter may not be the technical term but it conveys the same meaning. It's fine to use in any setting where the conversation does not involve professional crime scene investigators or aspiring forensic wiz kids.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Splatter may not be the technical term but it conveys the same meaning. It's fine to use in any setting where the conversation does not involve professional crime scene investigators or aspiring forensic wiz kids.

Ema should use 'spatter' and everyone else should use 'splatter', then.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
(the joke I was going for is that though it's a credible layman's mistake, every single person in this room should know better)

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 127: Episode 5, Day 2, Trial: Blood



Now there's an interesting result.



You'd think the angle would be the most important, given the different perspectives between the security room and B Block, but remember that Angel Starr did take a photo from B Block, so she was there at some point. The distance is therefore more important here.

Music: Silence


Sound: Desk Slam











I don't see how that would change what she could see.

We've got him hooked.



What she saw is not in question here.


Sound: Realization

...!
Sound: Light Bulb

Ms. Starr! You witnessed the crime from the security guard station!

Now, how long did it take you to go from there...


Sound: Objection

quote:

The different angles, I think, is a better option than the right answer here. I still don't really see how Ms. Starr could have seen the murder clearly from behind Lana, up in the security room. But the game doesn't agree:

Music: Silence


Sound: Desk Slam

Why, the angle at which she saw the crime occur would change!

The angle...?

What do you mean!?

Uh, um, well...

The security guard station is on the second floor... and um...

She would have sort of a more 3-D view of the crime.
Sound: Realization

And this is important... why?
Sound: Light Bulb

Um...

...

...

Perhaps you'd like to reconsider, Mr. Wright?
Sound: Damage 2

The penalties are coming hard and fast early in this case.

Mr. Wright! Let's review what we know!

We get the same speech on the map and the same prompt so that we can try again.

quote:

Saying that the lighting is important is the joke option here.

Music: Silence


Sound: Desk Slam

It's a difference in lighting!

Lighting...?

What does that mean!?

Well, it means, uh...

See, the security guard station is on the second level...

So, uh, she would have seen the crime in better lighting conditions.
Sound: Realization

And this is important... why?
Sound: Light Bulb

The rest plays out the same as the "angles" option from there, including the penalty and the retry loop.

Music: Suspense

...

Well, witness?

You...

Y-yes...?
Sound: Light Bulb



You ordered the Squid Wheels, right?
Sound: Realization

(The quality of my lunches has gone from low to inedible.)
Sound: Whack

Are those rubber bands on there? Or is that really supposed to be food? That dish doesn't really look like squid. I really don't get Ms. Starr's business model. Why does she have such horrible lunches? Why is she apparently giving all her lunches away?



Hmm...

Boysenberry for the boyfriend!
Sound: Light Bulb

He wasn't in the station, so I waited.







and before I knew what I was doing, I found myself running towards the scene.

But... the door was locked. I couldn't open it.



It is a long distance from the security room back to B Block, and then from there over the fence into A Block.

That's why I had to go through the visitor's parking in B Block.

That's quite a detour.
Sound: Realization





F-f-f-five minutes!?
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Gallery

That's a long time for anything to have happened in that parking garage. And why would Lana have stuck around that whole time? How sure are we even that it was still the same person in the parking garage and not someone else that did the stabbing and left?

Hmm...

This changes things considerably!

Music: Silence


Sound: Objection

Nothing you say is believable at this point.



Evidence of someone finding the body five minutes after whatever you supposedly witnessed.


Sound: Drama Pound

You have a point. And the spork is a wonderful invention.



Would you like another Caviar Lunch...?
Sound: Realization

Absolutely!
Sound: Light Bulb

(Uh oh...)

Music: Suspense

Mr. Wright! You have to do something!



I'm honestly not sure what exactly we'd be objecting to at this point, but there's no penalty here so let's wait and see what happens.

(I think I need more evidence before I go sticking my spork in this mess...)


Sound: Stab

Mr. Wright!



The only thing that's left...

Is your strong presence and deft powers of deduction!
Sound: Whack

...!
Sound: Light Bulb



quote:

Choosing to object right away just skips the prior scene and moves on straight ahead below.




Sound: Desk Slam



Music: Silence


Sound: Drama Pound

Uh, good attempt on the food reference, I guess?


Sound: Realization



A five minute "blank"...

Isn't that strange!?

Strange...?

If you were a criminal...

What would you do with five minutes, Your Honor?


Sound: Realization
Sound: Light Bulb

An interesting triple-sprite panel.

D-don't get the wrong idea! I didn't kill anyone...
Sound: Stab 2
Sound: Stab


Sound: Desk Slam

But you have the instincts of a killer! You would run!

But this time was different!




Sound: Objection

Y-


Sound: Damage 2
Sound: Stab 2


Sound: Gallery
Sound: Gavel

Music: Trial



Really? We just have to take everything else Ms. Starr said at face value at this point? Lana stabbed Goodman and who cares about the rest?

The witness has a grudge against the defendant, and a blank in her testimony.

quote:

Rerelease note! The original line here was: "She has a grudge against the defendant, and there is a blank in her testimony." I guess a later release corrected a vague pronoun reference? The new line does seem better.

...!
Sound: Light Bulb



Another witness? And we're just learning about this person now? It seemed like this trial day was about over.

Unfortunately...



Edgeworth, not prepared for every eventuality? He's slipping.


Sound: Light Bulb

Okay, I guess the trial day is over. I think we're still missing something, though. Ms. Starr being up in the security room doesn't really change anything we thought we knew about the crime itself.

(Th-that was too close!)


Sound: Gavel

Music: Silence





And with that, court is adjourned!




Sound: Objection

Okay, I should have expected an interruption there. What now?


Sound: Shock 2 x 5

Mr. Edgeworth, you ordered the Squid Wheels, right?
Sound: Realization

(That's the one she tried to foist off on me!)
Sound: Whack



I... might be able to save you.

I have decisive evidence.
Sound: Realization

Wh-what was that!?
Sound: Light Bulb

(Is this another one of her trick lunchboxes!?)

Didn't we just play this game with the photo? She was hiding multiple pieces of evidence?



Even the judge is done with this lady, if he doesn't even care what other evidence she's going to pull out of that bottomless bag of hers.

Ah...



Is this your jumbo lunchbox?
Sound: Redd Bling

...I did not expect that sound effect to make a comeback.


Sound: Objection


Sound: Gavel



Out of deference to the lunch bribes you keep taking, you mean.

Let's hear about this decisive evidence.

Like the Lunchland motto says, you won't be disappointed!






Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Allegro




Sound: Realization

Two types of blood were found on this shoe!
Sound: Light Bulb

One was of course the victim's.


Sound: Objection

quote:

Another changed line! The original: "And the other was...! The defendant, Ms. Lana Skye's blood!" That one's a bit awkward, I can see why they changed it.

This shoe proves it! It's flawless, decisive evidence!

Music: Silence



I don't know about that. We already knew that Lana had injured her hand, though I don't think it has come up in court yet. By itself this shoe doesn't prove any more than the photo did, that Lana was there after the murder.

Wh-what!? There was blood found on that shoe!?
Sound: Stab 2


Sound: Realization


Sound: Gallery

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Sound: Objection

Witness, what's the meaning of this?



Because she hates prosecutors and you in particular, didn't we go over this already?

Simple. As I've already said...



That's why I took the liberty of investigating this myself.

And... you had blood tests performed?

Didn't I mention?

I have three boyfriends in forensics.
Sound: Realization


Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Objection

Music: Suspense

What...?
Sound: Realization

You must know the two rules of evidence law!

quote:

Original line: "You should know the two rules of evidence law, Ms. Starr!" Kind of a wash on this one.



These are some convenient made-up rules that certainly never applied to any evidence we introduced in the game thus far. I haven't really seen any kind of rules holding back prosecutors, either.



I-is that right, Mr. Wright!?



How would Phoenix know, anyway? He's never read any of those books of his. I'm more interested in that second rule of evidence; they wouldn't be bringing up this topic for no reason.

Not so fast, Mr. Edgeworth.
Sound: Realization

...!
Sound: Light Bulb



As I mentioned previously...





Even the general public can produce official evidence, Mr. Edgeworth.


Sound: Light Bulb

Haven't seen this face in awhile. Edgeworth's reaction and the suspensful music is kind of odd here. Shouldn't Edgeworth be a little happier or more accepting about new evidence? Is his conflict with Ms. Starr just worth more to him than his passion for winning cases? Is he sensing there is something not right about this new evidence? I don't really get it yet.

I-is that right, Mr. Wright!?



I do love the parallel and contrast between this line from Phoenix and his previous one. Those are the only two lines from Phoenix since this latest testimony started.

You could at least study some evidence law! Really!
Sound: Whack

Music: Silence


Sound: Gavel

The prosecution's complaints notwithstanding...



However...

quote:

Original line: "Well..."

It seems you have yet another count against you, witness.

Anything to ensure that the guilty are properly judged.


Sound: Select Jingle

Well I can already see where this cross is going to go. We're going to have to deep-examine this new evidence and somehow doing so will reveal a contradiction in the testimony.






Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Allegro

(That's pretty sly, hiding evidence like that!)


Sound: Whack

In any case, science is always on our side!

Don't forget!

Scientific investigation is the wave of the future!


Sound: Realization

Just in case you needed a really obvious hint to go look at that shoe in more detail...





Before we start pressing, let's check out that shoe.



Some blood spatter here...

This blood... It's my sister's, right?

It appears so.



(She must have cut herself at the time of the crime...)

Poor Sis...

Not a lot there. But where is the victim's blood supposed to be?



On the bottom? :crossarms:

AAAH! There's blood here too!
Sound: Stab 2



He must have stepped in a puddle of his own blood.

All this blood... It's horrible!

(Hmm...)



I'll assume the forensics report explicitly says which blood on the shoe goes with which individual. Otherwise Phoenix and Ema guessing at it doesn't make a lot of sense. More importantly, there was no pool of blood found at the crime scene. Probably there was one in the trunk, but I don't think the it would have gotten onto the victim's shoe in this pattern in that case. The autopsy report already hinted at this theory with a vague time of death, but we now have some direct evidence that the victim was killed elsewhere and then transported to the parking garage... in Edgeworth's car...

I should have mentioned those five minutes when I wasn't looking at the crime scene.

We already have what we need, but let's press on everything anyway.



Why did you lie about those five minutes?


Sound: Realization

The... results?

How many times do I have to say this?



Compared to that...

A five minute "blank" means nothing!
Sound: Whack

Then why didn't you just tell the truth?

Don't make me laugh!
Sound: Realization



Falsified evidence, arranged testimonies, erasing and manipulating evidence...



(This when the suspect is admitting she did it?)





Let's just get this one over with.

quote:

The original script did not preface the word "But" two lines ago, and did not include "one" in the previous line. Not all differences are meaningful I suppose.



And now, to the matter of the victim's shoe... Did I not bring this up...?



And you found this shoe at the scene of the crime?



I wanted to make myself useful while I was waiting for the police to arrive.



I was afraid someone would erase the chief prosecutor's crime.



See this fashionable basket I have here...?

It carries more than lunchboxes, gentlemen!
Sound: Objection

(I'm happy for you and your lunchbox bag, really.)



Now, tell us what you did next.



Two types of blood were found on this shoe! One was of course the victim's.



So, you brought it to the forensics department?



To do that, evidence must be analyzed...

by a forensics expert.

(And she got away with her little coup because she used to be a detective...)



Well, the man WAS stabbed, after all.

quote:

Original line in the DS release: "Makes sense. After all, a man was stabbed here." The revised line does sound more Angel-like.







And the other blood type... matched that of the defendant, Ms. Lana Skye!




Sound: Desk Slam



quote:

The original release mistakenly said "victim" instead of "defendant" here.

You claim to know something about blood tests, Rookie?

Huh...
Sound: Realization

Music: Silence

Well, speak up!
Sound: Objection



However!


Sound: Objection

quote:

Original line used "performed" instead of "committed". I'm going to omit these minor differences now; safe to say, the original translation or script was not as tight as in the version I'm playing.

...

...

...

That's just a figure of speech, Mr. Wright.
Sound: Realization


Sound: Whack

Which means that we can more or less narrow any sample of blood down to just one person!
Sound: Whack

quote:

Previous two lines were originally worded somewhat differently: "Actually, if you combine all the various blood tests, there are millions of types! It's practically impossible to narrow a blood sample down to one person!" Which... is the exact opposite of the revised (and seemingly more correct) line.

Or so I hear.

Th-that's pretty specific...
Sound: Realization

Music: Questioning - Allegro



But they said there's very little doubt it could be anyone's but Ms. Lana Skye's.

Oh good, I was worried the game was mixing up blood tests with DNA tests for a minute there.



That ties her directly to the death of Detective Goodman!

(I was afraid he was going to say that...)

Edgeworth is suddenly all on-board with this evidence now...



This shoe proves it! It's flawless, decisive evidence!



(I can't let this evidence go through without a fight!)



You ordered the Peppered Fish Guts, right?
Sound: Realization

...!
Sound: Light Bulb

Some like it hot, Mr. Wright.





A problem...?
Sound: Realization



Uh, yeah?

If I'm not imagining things...

Music: Silence


Sound: Objection

quote:

Backing off on a press rarely works, but let's see...

(No... there's nothing there. And if I just stab blindly at it, I'll hurt my case.)

C'mon, Mr. Wright, I know you can find something!

Some kind of off-the-cuff contradiction!

I'm trying to avoid saying things off-the-cuff today.

We're brought back out to the cross. Presenting the shoe doesn't actually work, though...

That gleam in your eyes...

You're still young, Rookie.




Sound: Gavel

Music: Logic and Trick

Let's hear what Mr. Wright has to say!

What is contradictory about the victim's shoe?



I was expecting a prompt with another multiple-choice question, but instead...



We have to pick out something on the shoe itself. While you don't have to have already examined the shoe to get this one right, it does help to have that context, especially with a penalty on this choice.



Either of the blood marks on the bottom of the shoe will work here.



Music: Silence


Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Realization

Don't mess with me, Rookie...


Sound: Objection

quote:

No interesting failures here, just a generic few lines if we select anywhere else on the shoe (including Lana's blood spatter).



The problem with this evidence...

is here!

Where?
Sound: Realization

Uh...
Sound: Light Bulb

Take that finger and point it at your own head, Mr. Wright.
Sound: Damage 2

Penalty!

Music: Silence

(Hmm... guess that wasn't it.)

Mr. Wright, let's be scientific about this!

Examine the evidence!


Sound: Gavel

Music: Questioning - Allegro

As I thought, a waste of time.

Well, that was a nice break.

Let's return to the testimony, shall we?

We get sent all the way back to the cross, and have to press again to get back. Presenting the shoe still does nothing.



Music: Logic and Trick

It makes sense. The victim was stabbed with a knife!


Sound: Desk Slam





Oh, I was expecting to explain with words, not evidence. Why don't you all give this one a shot?

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

that is a solid burn, good on Edgey

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Needless to say, evidence law is some bullshit that has never come up before and, by virtue of the fact this case was made after the trilogy, will never come up again.

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Needless to say, evidence law is some bullshit that has never come up before and, by virtue of the fact this case was made after the trilogy, will never come up again.

It's pretty rich given this is the same game that gave us the "Updated" autopsy report, and Phoenix himself swiping empty pill bottles and such and no one seeming to care very much.

It also kinda highlights how important proper Discovery procedure is, since you'll notice if you take this situation as canon that basically the police and prosecution entirely get to decide what is and isn't important to a case, and the defense (if this worked at all consistently) would have to eat poo poo if they wanted to dispute anything at all about said evidence list.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!
I just assume that the "evidence must be approved" thing just means you need to run it past someone before you bring it into the courtroom, which Phoenix presumably does in the leadup to each court session. It's about having it on official record rather than it being relevant.

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies
squid comes in rings pretty frequently, if you've never had calamari. the ring shape makes sense when you remember that a squid is basically a tube, so if you take the guts out you're left with basically a ring.

as for what's in the lunchbox, it's probably specifically squid jerky, which is a common snack in japan. not really something you put over rice for lunch.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
How long are we going to spend on this witness? Seriously, she has yet to produce any food that looks appetizing to me.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Putting the final touches on tonight's update... Any comments on the script change notes from last update? Are they interesting, or distracting?

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

DKII posted:

Putting the final touches on tonight's update... Any comments on the script change notes from last update? Are they interesting, or distracting?

Your incredible attention to detail is appreciated, but I'd leave them out unless it's a particularly notable change.

Zerbin7
Oct 15, 2014

It's a living.
If you think that they're interesting, then so do I. I actually wasn't aware that there had been any script revisions between the various re-releases.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

DKII posted:

Putting the final touches on tonight's update... Any comments on the script change notes from last update? Are they interesting, or distracting?
I find them interesting enough to think of them as worth keeping.

Rydash
Dec 23, 2011

You got a real problem in here, gonna cost ya extra.
I enjoy the comparisons when the re-release substantially cleans up a line or makes something feel more in-character. I think your mid-update decision to omit smaller word choice punch-ups is a good one, too. Helps the cooler changes stick out more!

serefin99
Apr 15, 2016

Mikoooon~
Your lovely shrine maiden fox wife, Tamamo no Mae, is here to help!

Yeah I'll Nth that it's interesting to note when a line gets completely rewritten or something, less so when it's just like adding or subtracting a word.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
I agree with all the posters.


Also this thread made me dig out my old copies of the first three games and replay em

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 128: Episode 5, Day 2, Trial: Washout





Yes, for the third time in this trial day we're using the crime photo. There's a point we're trying to make - where is the blood at the crime scene, for the victim to have stepped in it? And the only evidence making that point for us is this photo that doesn't have any blood on the floor in it.



Music: Silence


Sound: Desk Slam



The... footprint?
Sound: Realization



Then... isn't it strange?


Sound: Drama Pound

quote:

Wrong answers not accepted:



...

Music: Silence

I'm guessing your shoe has blood on it too... you just shot yourself in the foot!
Sound: Realization

Arrgh...

Would you like a grinder, or a grind from the heel of my boot, Mr. Wright!?
Sound: Objection
Sound: Damage 2

So long two more health sections!

(Man... tough crowd.)

Mr. Wright,

let's be scientific about this! Examine the evidence!


Sound: Gavel

Music: Questioning - Allegro

As I thought, a waste of time.

Well, that was a nice break.

Let's return to the testimony, shall we?

As you can tell from the music change and the dialogue, we get kicked all the way back to the cross to start over. And no, presenting the shoe still doesn't work....

Music: Objection!

Ah hah!
Sound: Light Bulb

As you can see...




Sound: Objection




Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Objection




Sound: Desk Slam

Then where are they, Mr. Edgeworth? Because...

quote:

Original line in the DS release: "If there were bloody prints they would have been found." The new line does seem to fit the confrontation better, but they both lead to the same place.


Sound: Objection

I do very much enjoy the dueling objections and desk slams.


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel x 3

We've finally created enough of a brouhaha to be worthy of the triple gavel strike.

Order! Order! Order!

Well, witness!?
Sound: Whack

What!? Huh? I, uh...
Sound: Light Bulb

Great going, Mr. Wright!

But...



But then we have to ask why there wasn't a footprint!
Sound: Realization

Oh!
Sound: Light Bulb



Think, Mr. Wright, think!

...

Hey, I don't know why it's not there.

Music: Silence


Sound: Light Bulb

What!?
Sound: Whack


Sound: Objection



Not sure why that outburst from Edgeworth wasn't voiced, but buckle up.

I see...
Sound: Realization

Now I get it!

(Get what!?)



We were hoodwinked to the very end!


Sound: Realization

Music: Suspense

Wh-what are you talking about?
Sound: Light Bulb




Sound: Wipe



I'll forgive the flashback here because Angel's testimony has been such a dragged-out mess that I don't remember half of it and I have no idea where Edgeworth is going here.



Ah, gently caress. Are they going to say the footprint was washed away?

Oh, she's beautiful, but deadly! A predator, this one! A leopard woman! Rowr!





(No kidding!)

Now, witness. Allow me to ask a very simple question.


Sound: Realization

Objection, leading the witness! Oh, who am I kidding.

...

Oh, that, hmm?
Sound: Light Bulb

I'm not sure I like your attitude, Mr. Edgeworth.



Witness! W-well?
Sound: Whack

Was the oil drum empty...?


Sound: Realization

Music: Silence

W-water? (What does that mean?)
Sound: Light Bulb

Still don't get it, Mr. Wright?


Sound: Drama Pound

Aaaa haaaaah! You don't mean...!
Sound: Whack

Yes, the suspect knocked over that oil drum for one reason and one reason alone!


Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Objection

Music: Investigation - Core

Whaaaaaaaaargh!
Sound: Stab 2

So? Why did she hang around for five minutes, then decide only when Angel confronted her to go spill the oil drum? It doesn't make sense.


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel

That ties things up quite nicely!



I'm sure there will be some stunning revelation later but so far this trial day isn't really hanging together as neatly as in the other episodes.

Then, after the deed was done, she knocked over the oil drum to erase the telltale signs!



(That reminds me... Ms. Skye's right hand was hurt...)


Sound: Wipe







Well...

I see no reason to prolong this trial.



W-what!? What can I do?
Sound: Stab



B-but...

Music: Silence


Sound: Desk Slam

Enough.





Very well...


Sound: Whack

She could have been lying about the water!
Sound: Whack


Sound: Gavel

This court, finds the defendant, Ms. Lana Skye...




Sound: Objection

Sure, another random interruption. I feel like this trial day has gone about one testimony too long or one witness too short. We're seeing the same fake-outs over and over.


Sound: Shock 2 x 3


Sound: Wipe


Sound: Drama Pound

Little girl...

What did you just say?
Sound: Realization

Huh...? M-me?
Sound: Light Bulb



Seems self-evident to me, but whatever forestalls that guilty verdict a little longer.

W-well, yeah, you are!


Sound: Desk Slam

Well.




Sound: Realization


Sound: Drama Pound

Oh good, more surprise evidence. We're up to, what, three now? Ms. Starr really would make a good prosecutor.

Music: Suspense






Sound: Desk Slam

The time for deliberations is past.



Your threats don't scare the Cough-up Queen!


Sound: Objection


Sound: Wipe


Sound: Drama Pound

Too bad about that water. At least photographing the crime scene is proper police procedure. Why now is the first time we're seeing a true crime scene photo, on the other hand...

A photograph...?



that the white shoe didn't belong to the victim!

Hmm...

I see no room for error in this evidence.



Who makes parking garages out of asphalt?

Hey! It's clearly wet!
Sound: Light Bulb
Sound: Objection


Sound: Gavel



Immediately after the murder, the crime scene was washed with water!

I-I'm sorry, Mr. Wright.

I'm not. There's no way the water washed away a bloody footprint. The real question in my mind, is what was Lana really trying to wash away when she tipped over that drum?



(It's not your fault... I knew I couldn't win this case from the beginning.)

(And... it seems this is what your sister wanted anyway!)



Time for Serious Contemplation.




Sound: Realization

...

...

...

Music: Silence



Oh fun, Mia's ghost is haunting us even with Maya nowhere in sight. I guess this scene confirms it's really just Wright's own subconscious all along?



See now there's a quality pun.


Sound: Wipe

...!
Sound: Light Bulb



Weird note: Mia's ghost text doesn't come with any of the character blips that accompany most other dialogue. The game is completely silent right now.




Sound: Wipe

Music: Suspense



Music: Silence


Sound: Gavel



Did anyone get a good look at that photo? I was too busy panicking over the water in it.



A lengthy pause on a silent gallery...




Sound: Shock 2 x 4
Sound: Desk Slam

Your Honor, wait!



Whatever it is, can it wait?

N-no it can't. Then it will be too late!
Sound: Stab




Sound: Objection

Music: Telling the Truth

So, Wright...


Sound: Realization

Maybe, maybe not. Can't I at least look at it for more than a second?



Or that. Might as well bluff, Lana's already about to be declared guilty here.

Yeah, there's a problem! (Right or wrong, I've got to go ahead with this!)


Sound: Gavel



Very well, Mr. Wright.



Er, well, that was quicker than I expected. There's a penalty coming up, on this photo that we haven't gotten a good look at until now...



Luckily I'm not on a timer. A quick look around the photo reveals something interesting here...




Sound: Desk Slam

The problem in this photograph... is here!
Sound: Objection


Sound: Light Bulb

quote:

No interesting wrong answers on this one I'm afraid...




Sound: Desk Slam

Well... it's probably here! Don't you think?
Sound: Objection

As your elder, Mr. Wright, let me give you a piece of advice...

Music: Silence

When you point at something, at least remember to keep your eyes open?
Sound: Realization

I believe he's trying to say that no one's falling for your bluffs, Mr. Wright!

Open your eyes, Mr. Wright. Think scientifically!

Music: Telling the Truth


Sound: Gavel

I suppose since we've come this far, we should give every claim a fair shake.

Very well, Mr. Wright.

Show the court the problem in this photograph!

A simple loop without penalty at least.

Music: Silence


Sound: Objection

Muffler, you say...

Wait just a moment, Mr. Edgeworth!
Sound: Whack

Your Honor?




Sound: Realization

I totally called this one when the term first came up. Does the word "muffler" have the same double meaning in Japanese, too? This one seems hard to have localized.

...





I see! And... I see!
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Realization

Hmph! So what if there is something sticking out of the muffler!
Sound: Whack







Sorry, Ms. Starr... But it's not going to be that easy!



You said as much in your testimony!!!
Sound: Realization

Music: Suspense

Wh-what!?
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Gavel

Let's hear what Mr. Wright has on his mind!





This one's easy if you thought to check the updated evidence description. After Ms. Starr testified about hearing Lana on her cell phone, the phone's description was updated here.




Sound: Desk Slam

Music: Silence

Ms. Starr!

Recall your testimony for the court...

quote:

Nothing else will work here, of course.



Music: Silence

Well, Your Honor? How do you feel about that?
Sound: Drama Pound

Actually, I don't feel well at all. I have this pounding headache...

No, no, I meant, what do you think about the...
Sound: Stab

I'm afraid the reason for that headache is you, Mr. Wright!
Sound: Whack
Sound: Damage 2

Ouch.

Music: Suspense

That cloth was found in the car's "muffler," right...?

Muffler... muffler... Where have I heard that word recently?

Muffler...
Sound: Realization


Sound: Gavel

Let's hear what Mr. Wright has on his mind!

Tell us why you think this piece of cloth in the muffler is related to this case.

We repeat from there, headed back to the evidence prompt. Ema provided some rather blatant hints on what to look for, if you got stuck on that one...


Sound: Wipe



That's what had me confused in my earlier testimony!




Sound: Light Bulb
Sound: Realization

Music: Suspense

Could it be that the "muffler" you heard mentioned...


Sound: Wipe


Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Desk Slam

If so!

Music: Silence


Sound: Objection


Sound: Damage 2
Sound: Whack
Sound: Stab 2

These meltdowns were more meaningful when they didn't happen five times in the same trial day.





Music: Trial

Well...

It seems we will have to suspend the proceedings.

Sus... Suspend!?
Sound: Realization

This trial day has been a slog, I'm eager to get back to investigating. I don't really know where to go next though. I think we need to check out that security room still?



I guess we go find the cloth at the crime scene, and it'll lead us somewhere else?

If we leave any question unanswered here we do a disservice to the law!



Maybe we'll have to talk to that cowboy officer to find out about the cloth then.

The verdict will wait until after we've seen all the evidence.

Agreed...?

...

I suppose so.

(Whew... that was close.)




Sound: Gavel

Music: Silence



Wait, just thirty minutes?

It's lunchtime after all!

(He's still hungry!?)
Sound: Stab





Wait, now I'm confused. Did we finish the trial day or not?

Music: Jingle - It Can't End Here



Apparently we've finished... something?



A peek behind the curtain at my save files reveals the answer. I didn't know what "Trial Former" meant when it started showing up on the save file names with this trial day. However, "Trial Latter" showing up on the current save file makes the meaning a little more clear. These trial days are so long that the game broke them up into multiple segments, and we are only halfway done with this one....

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

DKII posted:

Putting the final touches on tonight's update...

Funny story, when I made this post today I had the update ending at picking the evidence about why "muffler" is important, thinking I'd make the trial day wrap-up its own update afterwards. Then I continued playing this afternoon to record more footage for later and discovered that "Trial Former" ended almost right afterward, so I tacked it onto this update. I had no idea that this trial day was going to be so long that the game has two distinct segments for it, or that we were only halfway done with it....

But hey, you get the update a few hours sooner now as a result.

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hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



BTW scarfs are 100% called mufflers in Japan. It might actually be the more common word for them in my experience?

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