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Here's what I know. About an hour and a half ago I finished one of the most jaw-dropping, go-for-broke episodes that Agents of Shield has ever done, and I needed 20 minutes to recover from it. I was pretty sure Limitless wasn't going to top it. An hour after finishing this one, I STILL can't stop thinking about it, for completely different reasons.
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Coming into the season, I fully expected this to be a semi okay cop procedural and I would've watched it anyways because I'm a sucker for shows with cops who possess a special ability and solve crimes in a different way. Holy poo poo was I wrong. I can't believe how fantastic this show is every week. The last segment absolutely killed me.
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Nov 18, 2015 08:45
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I can't believe back on page 1 I was worrying that this show would tank. Holy poo poo this is one of the best shows on TV right now IMO.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:17
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Maybe Mora's real goal is finding someone that NZT doesn't turn into a megalomaniacal dick? If Brian's psychologically stable after a few years, and if Mora can suss out a template for screening, then he is in business. Maybe that's what the show's about? Controlling Pandora's Box. What if nuclear only meant reactors and not proliferation? Accretionist fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 20:28
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Jxforema posted:I can't be the only one who caught the abyss reference at the end I have to go back and watch the ending again to find this. I was surprised when he told his Dad the truth. And now scared for what will happen to him. Awesome episode all around and I hope Mike & Ike go on more trips!
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Nov 18, 2015 20:31
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I haven't looked forward to such feel-good fun every week since Leverage. I know we're only 9 episodes in, and it's going to get hard to top itself after a while, but I'm praying it doesn't burn out too soon. Absolutely killing it.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:59
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Digital Jedi posted:I was surprised when he told his Dad the truth. And now scared for what will happen to him. I wasn't, for a really cool reason. The reason Bryan didn't end up telling his dad previously was because he was scared what Sands was going to do if he did. But Morra basically convinced Bryan that he, and by extension Sands, are actually the good guys. I totally buy Bryan telling his dad as a direct result of now believing that Sands and Morra wouldn't actually hurt him. It was never explicitly mentioned, but it feels right thematically as a reason that Bryan changed his mind about telling him.
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Nov 18, 2015 22:22
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Shakugan posted:I wasn't, for a really cool reason. The reason Bryan didn't end up telling his dad previously was because he was scared what Sands was going to do if he did. But Morra basically convinced Bryan that he, and by extension Sands, are actually the good guys. I totally buy Bryan telling his dad as a direct result of now believing that Sands and Morra wouldn't actually hurt him. It was never explicitly mentioned, but it feels right thematically as a reason that Bryan changed his mind about telling him. That may have been part of it, but his dad laying the guilt on him and assuring him he'd rather be hurt or dead than shut out -- that scene was amazing, by the way -- definitely pushed him over the edge.
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Nov 18, 2015 22:34
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DivisionPost posted:That may have been part of it, but his dad laying the guilt on him and assuring him he'd rather be hurt or dead than shut out -- that scene was amazing, by the way -- definitely pushed him over the edge. Yeah, definitely. But he still wouldn't have done it if he had thought it would result in his dad getting murdered. But his conversation with Eddie means he no longer believes it to be the case.
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Nov 18, 2015 23:14
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no Ike n Mike fistbump gif? Seriously...
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Nov 19, 2015 00:25
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Tumblr's got you covered. (Can we post images hosted on tumblr? I'll remove if not.)
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Nov 19, 2015 00:52
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That reminds me. Do we think Mike and Ike (and everyone else) are actually referring to themselves as that? Or is Brian mentally replacing the mention of their names everytime? It seems likely it's the latter, but that introduces some weird "unreliable narrator" potential to the show that I'm not really sure it needs.
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Nov 19, 2015 01:12
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Shakugan posted:That reminds me. IMDB refers to them as Agent Mike and Agent Ike, that's what I have them listed as in the OP now. I have no idea what their names could possibly be, I foresee an awkward scene where Brian's just talking to them and they realize that after all these months, he doesn't actually know their name, even on NZT. 
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Nov 19, 2015 01:27
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Anyone else think the dad was being kind of a shitbird? That move with the box was suuuper manipulative.
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Nov 19, 2015 04:26
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Everything about that episode was so fun. The exclamation point sound effect on Headquarters! the "No" montage, the top ten list dolls, the fist bump, the imagined bust, the arts and crafts Brian did as a kid, the ending montage. Just all of it.Accretionist posted:Anyone else think the dad was being kind of a shitbird? That move with the box was suuuper manipulative. I don't know, put yourself in the father's shoes. For all intents and purposes, the son he knew is gone.
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Nov 19, 2015 04:28
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I thought it ultimately took a touching turn but that he started off like a real gently caress.
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Nov 19, 2015 04:52
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tao of lmao posted:Everything about that episode was so fun. The exclamation point sound effect on Headquarters! the "No" montage, the top ten list dolls, the fist bump, the imagined bust, the arts and crafts Brian did as a kid, the ending montage. Just all of it. If he started there it would've been better, except he went straight for the hard sell on the,"Gimme dat TS/SCI/NOFORN or I don' love you anymore!" Like, there's probably Intel goons who've sat through PowerPoint presentations about not letting suspiciously inquisitive Russian hookers pull that exact move.
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Nov 19, 2015 07:29
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The 23 Jump Street ending montage was amazing. I wonder if parody/homage episodes will be a continuing thing? With this and the Ferris Bueller episode back to back... 
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Nov 19, 2015 19:25
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I have been wondering ever since episode 1 why Morra wanted Brian in the FBI. I have a theory: he knew that the FBI would keep Brian under control, regulate his NZT usage, and keep track of his location. That is everything Morra would need to do to keep Brian ready for his orders, but instead of having to micromanage Brian, he lets the FBI do it for him. Thoughts?
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Nov 20, 2015 17:06
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I have a feeling that Morra is not the only one and he may have competitors, or be part of a cabal, and he is working at outmaneuvering them. They actually bring up a related point; as you take it, you become more of a big thinker and forget the details that some would consider important (basically the Brian telling NZT Brian to gently caress off). Maybe Morra wants someone who will not forget things like people's lives are important individually and not just collectively. I had a feeling that Sands might work for an organization that Morra is a part of, and not necessarily leading, with Brian being a wildcard of sorts.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:00
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It's kind of weird we didn't see any discussion between Rebecca and Brian this past episode about his extra NZT stash given that this episode took place over a significant period of time.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:41
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Clay Davis talking to himself while on NZT was pretty fuckin amazing though.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:54
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Sober posted:Clay Davis talking to himself while on NZT was pretty fuckin amazing though. Oh yeah. Plus "What, it's not pink? I'm not pink am I?"  Whatever Morra's endgame is, it sure as hell isn't benign. Unless we want to speculate that Sands mailbombing that doctor was off-book.
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Nov 20, 2015 23:08
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Accretionist posted:Anyone else think the dad was being kind of a shitbird? That move with the box was suuuper manipulative. Yes, the "I don't care, I would suffer, I would die for you" or whatever doesn't hold too, what about everybody else in Finch life ? Should he put their lives at risk too? His wife, his daughters, Finch ex?  He should trust his son that he had to keep a secret, he's working with the FBI, give the boy some credit. He's even a lawyer, he should imagine that theres some kind of government secret he couldn't tell or he would get sent to jail. I found the scene way too forced to get 'feels', awesome episode though, I'm really surprised by this show. Miss Mowcher fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Nov 22, 2015 04:10
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I thought finch made his dad his lawyer in the first or second episode so they could have attorney client privilege.
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Nov 24, 2015 01:16
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He tried but then found out that the nurse that works for Morra is now conveniently his dad's new nurse, so he ended up not telling him anything. That was also before he had the heart-to-heart with Morra so he was still afraid about that whole "tell anyone and I'll murder you slowly" thing.
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Nov 24, 2015 01:28
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Either way, his Dad was still being a dick.
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Nov 24, 2015 13:50
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Accretionist posted:Maybe Mora's real goal is finding someone that NZT doesn't turn into a megalomaniacal dick? If Brian's psychologically stable after a few years, and if Mora can suss out a template for screening, then he is in business. Ding ding ding. Mora wants Brian to be president. Remember ep 1 he was having second thoughts... This show really fills a giant Fringe shaped hole in my life. The progression of the story, the stark comedy... It's Fringe.
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Nov 24, 2015 13:51
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This show fills the void that Psych left.
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Nov 24, 2015 15:05
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Mora associate killed the doctor that was conducting NZT trials in some previous episode, didn't he ? I don't think Mora is all about doing good
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Nov 24, 2015 18:49
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Another great episode. The "Tech Stuff" warning made me jump.. so loud! The ending where the guy was punching himself hahahaha so good. The dad needs to back off and let Brian do whatever he wants.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:11
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ROFL the "hacking" montages. Another hilarious episode, although I could do without the downer dad.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:31
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karrethuun posted:Another hilarious episode, although I could do without the downer dad. Holyshoot posted:The dad needs to back off and let Brian do whatever he wants. I can see how he might be a problem long term, but Ron Rifkin does such a great job of humanizing that Debbie Downer role. I mean, when you break it down from his perspective, what's happening to Brian is supremely hosed up, and statements like "No Dad, I totally know what I'm doing with this experimental drug" or "You don't get it, they only want me when I'm on NZT" are, you know, not helpful. But he sounds like he's grudgingly willing to let Brian do his thing for as long as he trusts Naz to protect him. And if/when Brian gets hurt (or, more likely, he discovers the long-term effects of NZT on everyone else), he's going to call down the thunder. And frankly, I'm not sure he'd be that good of a character if he didn't.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:27
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Hey, PS, do me a favor, I can't screencap for poo poo. I need some images and maybe small gifs from Limitless in order to convince a Twitter friend to watch this show. YouTube clips would also be great if you somehow have them.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:36
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DivisionPost posted:I can see how he might be a problem long term, but Ron Rifkin does such a great job of humanizing that Debbie Downer role. I mean, when you break it down from his perspective, what's happening to Brian is supremely hosed up, and statements like "No Dad, I totally know what I'm doing with this experimental drug" or "You don't get it, they only want me when I'm on NZT" are, you know, not helpful. But he sounds like he's grudgingly willing to let Brian do his thing for as long as he trusts Naz to protect him. And if/when Brian gets hurt (or, more likely, he discovers the long-term effects of NZT on everyone else), he's going to call down the thunder. And frankly, I'm not sure he'd be that good of a character if he didn't. Makes sense I guess. Like how in Breaking Bad everyone hated Skyler and her attitude but if you didn't have the same knowledge by watching the show you would be on her side in regards to thinking Walter is insane/dangerous.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:38
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DivisionPost posted:I can see how he might be a problem long term, but Ron Rifkin does such a great job of humanizing that Debbie Downer role. I mean, when you break it down from his perspective, what's happening to Brian is supremely hosed up, and statements like "No Dad, I totally know what I'm doing with this experimental drug" or "You don't get it, they only want me when I'm on NZT" are, you know, not helpful. But he sounds like he's grudgingly willing to let Brian do his thing for as long as he trusts Naz to protect him. And if/when Brian gets hurt (or, more likely, he discovers the long-term effects of NZT on everyone else), he's going to call down the thunder. And frankly, I'm not sure he'd be that good of a character if he didn't. I honestly think he's a pretty great dad and a realistic one at that. He's thinking: "My son's being used as a guinea pig for an experimental drug that has killed every other person that has used it, and he's being coerced to take it daily, his personality has changed, and he works in a job that consistently puts him in danger, under supervisors who may not care about his well-being." Given all the information that he has, he's trying to make the best decision he can to protect his son. I can't fault him for that. Also, I though it was pretty badass the way he spoke to Naz, he doesn't know her, all he knows is that she condones using Brian as a guinea pig and that makes her a giant threat.
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Nov 25, 2015 07:03
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Another fantastic episode! I have a feeling that Morra & Co. have enough connections / assets / surveillance to realize the situation brewing between Brian, his father, and the FBI. There might be another pivotal moment coming up soon- similar to the file stealing situation in the Deputy Directors office- where Brian's father is used as serious leverage to get him to do something drastic.
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Nov 25, 2015 07:06
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I love this show. I hope they treat it like The Wire and put Brian in a completely different environment every season, like he takes the job at Craft for instance. Or works closely with Morra.
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Nov 25, 2015 10:58
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Brian is building quite a set of skills. Elite hacker Knows at least, what, 10 languages? Brazilian jiu jitsu blackbelt Doctor What am I forgetting?
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MacDougall posted:Brian is building quite a set of skills. Amateur paper mache enthusiast.
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