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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:im laughing me loudly asking everyone "hey what was that movie with brad pitt and morgan freeman and kevin spacey??? the one with the box??? while everyone groans at my poo poo
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its very cool to bet hard 8 when the line is too long to roll and immediately leave the table if it hits
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Jan 17, 2021 23:36
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Thief posted:its very cool to bet hard 8 when the line is too long to roll and immediately leave the table if it hits
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Jan 18, 2021 07:11
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gently caress My rear end posted:Feel like this is pretty important for new / novice players but here is a list of common 'superstitions' and best practices to do/don't do at the craps table that can be considered bad luck and get you dirty looks at the table. Oh hell no
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Jan 18, 2021 07:28
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Thief posted:lol yeah just roll the bones bruh Dice control is a mostly "real thing" and actually can have tangible benefits when playing craps (still nowhere not enough to make it profitable lol!!!)
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Jan 18, 2021 07:30
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AHH F/UGH posted:Oh hell no It's your own rear end if you want to gloat your don't wins at a table of grumpy drunks. If there's like 2 or three other people you can laugh out the wins and losses unless one side is getting crushed
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Jan 18, 2021 15:58
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Snazzy Frocks posted:It's your own rear end if you want to gloat your don't wins at a table of grumpy drunks. If there's like 2 or three other people you can laugh out the wins and losses unless one side is getting crushed What are they going to do? Cry?
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Jan 20, 2021 10:53
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I mean I guess they really just can't do anything to you legally so you have the right to act however you want around anyone at any time, yes
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Jan 20, 2021 14:37
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lol homeboy only ever played in casinos
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Jan 20, 2021 23:29
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Not a gloat, per se, but the one time I was playing craps betting close to/at the minimum (but still taking full odds) while the lady next to me was betting a ton on the dont's, I did feel really good winning like $25 when I hit a point, and her losing like $300 did make it that much better. But I get it; the don'ts are a better bet. You can be that guy. I won't be that guy (except maybe if I knew everyone at the table? I did play the don'ts at my office's casino night once, but that wasn't for real money). That's part of the fun of craps; everyone has their thing. I set the dice (not to anything in particular, just matching up faces except on a come out roll); I place the 6 and 8, and sometimes the 5 and 9, and I add one unit when they hit until they get to about 5 units; if the point is even, I might throw a hardway on it; and every once in a while, I throw in a horn high yo* on a come out roll. *For newbies, "yo" is table-speak for eleven. Eleven rhymes with that other number you don't say (you can call it "big red" if you want), and it's also just fun to hear the different sticks' cadences yelling out "YOOO-OOOOOO!"
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Jan 21, 2021 22:40
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CellBlock posted:Not a gloat, per se, but the one time I was playing craps betting close to/at the minimum (but still taking full odds) while the lady next to me was betting a ton on the dont's, I did feel really good winning like $25 when I hit a point, and her losing like $300 did make it that much better. Some friends and I were all playing on the same table every night for about a week with another random guy who wasn't part of our group. This guy was doing $1 yo bets every come out roll and was hitting it a LOT. All of my friends started following him, but I didn't because I knew that was terrible odds. Long story short, they all walked away with double their money at the end of the week and I ended up down.
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Jan 21, 2021 23:56
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The game makes fools of us all, but you occasionally get to be the idiot king. See my Fire win pic upthread.
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First time I played craps was at my bachelor party <YEARS> ago in Vegas. My buddy was all up into Pai Gow but I told him it was boring as all hell and he showed me craps. I didn't understand poo poo when I played, but told myself I'd figure it out some other time. The next year I lucked the gently caress out and had a work-related conference to go to in Vegas for a week. I was practicing on my phone and watching YouTube videos before going. I remember that week I was completely checked out and didn't attend any of the conference. I was just walking up and down the strip looking for craps tables. At most of these places they'd have free slot play, so I'd just sign up, get the $20 slot play and play it out (IIRC you couldn't cash that portion). Some places I'd come up like $5, but most of the time I'd just wipe it out. After doing that I'd go to the craps tables. That was an awesome week. I don't have any big wins/losses moments, just observed a peculiar guy. When I got to the Palazzo there was a 40s guy with a small JanSport backpack. He'd hold it in one of his hands like a bag of groceries. When he showed up he took out $500 in chips from his bag and placed some bets. He made a bunch of bets like big 6/8, prop bets, hard ways, and he'd bet >$10 on each. He would always decline to roll and looked like he was going to walk away any second. I wanted to laugh out loud and tell him he's wasting his money on the prop bets <because wizard of odds amiright>, but the guy made out like a monster. Every time he won he'd put a few chips back in his bag so you couldn't tell how big his chip stack actually was. I'm pretty sure he made 3-4k in the short time I watched him play.
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Jan 22, 2021 18:13
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there is no such thing as a system that works in craps. you either get lucky or you don't in the relatively short window of gambling you personally experience. the wizard of odds used to offer like a $20000 or so prize to anyone that could give him a system that works because he could program a simulation to play it out but mathematically you can't beat the house. the only way to consistently beat the house is figure out a way to cheat and not be detected
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Jan 22, 2021 18:26
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Has anyone witnessed any crazy cheating schemes? I imagine the dealers are on top of that
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Booyah- posted:Has anyone witnessed any crazy cheating schemes? I imagine the dealers are on top of that I was reading about a guy name Brent Eli Morris who used slight of hand to do post betting. Apparently he could drop chips perfectly onto his stack from over an inch away with no perceptible stop in his motion. He would stand near the dealer betting DCs so when the dealers turned their heads to handle other players he would add chips to his bet for a bigger payout. He did the same thing on pass line bets and pass line odds. In 2001 he took three casinos in Detroit for $86000.
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Jan 22, 2021 20:25
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Booyah- posted:Has anyone witnessed any crazy cheating schemes? I imagine the dealers are on top of that We have players who are notorious shot takers, which is the dealing term for doing stuff that sets them up to take advantage of weaker dealers. Stuff like trying to bet when the dice are in the air (not allowed), making purposely convoluted bets in the hopes that we math error, constantly betting different prop bets so they can claim they bet something they didn’t if a number comes up. Most players, it’s innocuous, but there are some players who we all know to look out for because it’s clear that’s their game. It’s annoying.
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Jan 23, 2021 09:53
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Does anyone believe in dice setting/control? If so, any good free resources?
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If you're following the rules and hitting the back with both of the dice it doesn't matter in the slightest That said my question to any dealers is what are some red flags of cheaters that's you've been trained to look for? I know the basics of watching for slight of hand especially if someone is touching the dice with both hands (a no no) or screwing with the chips mid roll. One story I have is when I was learning on a cruise ship casino and before I knew the pass line was a unchangeable bet I watched a guy consistently change his $10 pass line bet into a $5 / $5 odds and I did that for a few rolls until the dealer noticed and luckily only gently corrected me. Snazzy Frocks fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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My only craps cheating was a dumb dealer paying the 6 8 place bets at 5 9 odds at Arizona Charlie’s. Same place the table felt was so crooked another guy at the blackjack table was 100 percent calling the dealers hole card lol. Out loud not hiding the fact. They just kept dealing hands.
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I got real mad playing craps a few years ago because it was my second or third time playing and as far as I could tell you threw your money on the table to get chips, and then put chips down to make bets. I had done this before with no issue, but then this time I tossed down my £50 only for the dealer to take that as a field bet (which lost lol) and take all my money  I guess the notes may have been on the field box but no one had given any idea that would count as a bet without me clearly saying it was because exchanges seemed to be working on 'just toss your money wherever on the table' rules while bets were all using chips alone. In this case the pit boss gave me my money back when I explained and complained about it, albeit while scowling and making me feel like I was the rear end in a top hat? Idk.
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ThomasPaine posted:I got real mad playing craps a few years ago because it was my second or third time playing and as far as I could tell you threw your money on the table to get chips, and then put chips down to make bets. I had done this before with no issue, but then this time I tossed down my £50 only for the dealer to take that as a field bet (which lost lol) and take all my money Not sure how it is in the UK but in casinos in the US, money can play and thus may be seen as a bet. I am also unsure if this would apply in the US to craps, as some games must play chips. If you give cash to a dealer it just may be taken as you’re using it in place of chips, is what I’m saying: the dealer may tell the pit boss, “Money plays” so they know it’s being used in place of chips. In your defense, while I don’t know as much about craps as others here, my initial thought has been that cash doesn’t play at craps tables, and though I am probably wrong about that it’s the impression I get IOW there’s a real chance I have no loving idea what I’m talking about, and am prepared for some gambling goons to tell me just that
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I don't know about the UK but in the US when you put down cash to get chips you should say something like "change only." If no one has acknowledged you and dice are either in or about to be in the air, you politely yell at the nearest dealer or box "CHANGE ONLY NO BET" or something to that effect.
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When is the correct time to ask for a color up so I don’t walk away with a pile of low value chips? I’ve waited out 2 or 3 rolls it felt like (probably just one TBH) waiting for the dealer to have a chance to color me up.
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Jan 27, 2021 05:02
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Nystral posted:When is the correct time to ask for a color up so I don’t walk away with a pile of low value chips? I’ve waited out 2 or 3 rolls it felt like (probably just one TBH) waiting for the dealer to have a chance to color me up. Can you say, “color me up when you get a chance”?
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Jan 27, 2021 05:38
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life is killing me posted:Can you say, “color me up when you get a chance”? This - the "best" time is probably right when a point hits/sevens out, since there's a lot of paying and resetting that happens there, as well as probably new people buying in, but if you ask, you can probably get taken care of whenever. In some ways, craps isn't a game for the timid, because you'll have to directly communicate with a dealer what you want. "200 change, all red. Place the inside numbers. Up one unit." It's not like other table games where you can just silently set out some chips, look at some cards, and give a couple of hand gestures. Don't worry about slowing down the game. You might think you're causing a big delay coloring up/down, but 1) you're not really, those folks can do it pretty quick; 2) you gotta buy in/cash out at some point (unless you go bust; don't do that) and 3) you're not causing nearly the delay as the person who drops the dice on the floor or in their drink or some poo poo.
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Someone asked about minimum bets. Turns out reddit has a craps forum, and one thread is dedicated to tracking that. Link here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Craps/comments/k3at5s/casino_minimums_covid_edition_part_6/
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AHH F/UGH posted:Dice control is a mostly "real thing" and actually can have tangible benefits when playing craps (still nowhere not enough to make it profitable lol!!!) I think it’s possible but you have to be the equivalent of a professional player so have a poo poo ton of practice at it that most people don’t get. I figure if you have a regulation table and you practice for a few hours a day you can get good enough at it to be consistent. Especially if you can hit that wooden spot right above the ridges.
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Lote posted:I think it’s possible but you have to be the equivalent of a professional player so have a poo poo ton of practice at it that most people don’t get. I figure if you have a regulation table and you practice for a few hours a day you can get good enough at it to be consistent. Especially if you can hit that wooden spot right above the ridges. Isn't the problem too though that there are too many variables out of your control? Dice are inherently small and I'm sure every little thing impacts how they are thrown. Environmental impacts such as number of people standing around you, temperature, or even the feel of the floor could change things from a practice table. From the limited number of resources I've read through it's still "mostly chance" as the dice are not set to hit specific numbers, but set in a position to "not hit 7" most of the time. I guess in theory it could work, but you'd have to be really loving good.
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I feel like it would be easier to get away with sleight of hand outright cheating than it would to successfully master dice control to an extent that made it worth it
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I’m not saying that it’s easy. I think the number of people who can do it are limited and it doesn’t wildly change the odds. Like instead of being house edge of 2% it would be player edge in the single digits. I think the people that can do it are limited to few people. The other difficulty with it would be hiding the ability from the casinos. The casinos track your play so if you’re consistently winning they’ll flag you and ban you from craps. Or cut your limits to like $125 max bet. So you have to engineer some big losing sessions in there.
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imagine the nerves of steel you'd need to throw the dice perfectly on the roll where you bet the farm. if you kept throwing a certain way to a certain result enough the dealers or cameras would prob notice
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Imagine a professional gambler not betting a fraction of a Kelly bet
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have you not heard of... THE DOMINATOR???? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojvj_rkVHh0
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Logically, I've always thought that dice control is bullshit. But anecdotally I feel like every time I've seen someone go on a long run they've been setting up their dice beforehand, which always kind of ticks me off because it shouldn't work.
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craps lives and breathes by the fact that the dice rolls are supposed to be completely random. if we ever integrate to half androids or whatever with precision throwing techniques the game will have to change as well
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gently caress My rear end posted:Also, I generally find it a professional courtesy if you're a don't player to just pass on shooting the dice. How is it a general courtesy to help frontline winners cash big while bankrupting yourself, which is always the inevitable outcome of shooting from the don't?  I've hit 5 points TWICE from the darkside, in not a massive sample size, once at a $1 table in Reno (Western Village, amazing setup it's like a 7 footer with $1 minimums!!!) and the other time at The Gold Coast during the WSOP. I ran out of chips after the 4th point and a guy that had been killing it betting pass tossed me chips to keep me going and I delivered with another point before 7'ing out. Best story was also at The Gold Coast during WSOP where I introduced my friend that was with me to the don't for the first time (he didn't know the game REAL well, just a general understanding) but he was betting $10 on the DP then DC after point every roll and when he shot for the first time he went something like 2,3,2..4,8,9,10,5,6, laying $60 max odds on each number and obliviously says to me "Wait, I have all the numbers now so I need a 7 to win, right?" and I nod sheepishly as everyone else gasps and he tosses a green to the stickman and says "How do I bet on a 7 coming next?" Stick loads him up on big red and wouldn't you guess. He snapped a pic on his phone of his absolutely perfect roll with all the money on the backside of the table before they cleared it. I, of course, because he was my friend, was betting the frontline. He got a taste, and now he gets massacred almost every time trying to duplicate it 
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StarkRavingMad posted:Logically, I've always thought that dice control is bullshit. But anecdotally I feel like every time I've seen someone go on a long run they've been setting up their dice beforehand, which always kind of ticks me off because it shouldn't work. I set dice to burn time and get more alcoholic drinks.
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Frankly anyone who gets mad that any player goes for the Don’t Pass and wins playing needs to just shut up, because 1. After enough time everyone always loses in the end regardless of how they play 2. The games are meant to be played for fun, not getting sweaty about 3. They played a definitively worse odds choice for an arbitrary reason anyways 4. Stop caring so much how other people play you wankstain Like, if people were smart and not morons the only thing they’d ever do is play don’t pass with odds, but if someone is going Come and doing Hardways and poo poo that have horrible odds like that and only *then* they get pissed at another player for doing the objectively smartest thing you could do? gently caress outta here
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Chill out, nobody was complaining about don't players
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