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CubicalSucrose posted:Because Wolo gimmicked D1 and has never done that as scum before. I'm going to "get got" by this at some point but I'm gonna trust the long-term meta for now. Why do you feel worse about it? Is it incorrect? Because if it is correct, Fancy would be gambling quite a bit if he faked it.
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wologar posted:Why do you feel worse about it? Is it incorrect? Because if it is correct, Fancy would be gambling quite a bit if he faked it. In a low power (or maybe all vanilla game), it's not that big of a gamble.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:12
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To wit, my suspicions lie mostly on Hal and Cube. I believe Fancy and wins pushed Opop in a way that shows they were not his allies. Hal and Cube showed no conviction on their vote and could have been cutting their loses.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:13
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I think we have a majority for Hal at this point.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:13
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wologar posted:Why do you feel worse about it? Is it incorrect? Because if it is correct, Fancy would be gambling quite a bit if he faked it. wins32767 posted:In a low power (or maybe all vanilla game), it's not that big of a gamble. Tracker just seems like a very "safe" power role claim in this small of a game.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:23
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wins32767 posted:My bias is towards voting known aggressive-busser-in-small-games Hal today, but I could be talked out of it with a compelling case. Fancy does look more suspicious after that tracker claim out of no where. Can I get an example or two of Hal's known agressive-bussing-in-small games?
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Feb 28, 2024 17:24
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I guess to be more explicit, I did NOT do anything last night, so a supposed tracker result of "Cube didn't do anything last night" would be accurate.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:29
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wins32767 posted:In a low power (or maybe all vanilla game), it's not that big of a gamble. CubicalSucrose posted:Tracker just seems like a very "safe" power role claim in this small of a game. I see. But then the risk lies in hoping there is no tracker. I don't think scum hardbuses out of the gate in a three day game just to gamble next day.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:30
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CubicalSucrose posted:I guess to be more explicit, I did NOT do anything last night, so a supposed tracker result of "Cube didn't do anything last night" would be accurate. Very well. I have no reason to disbelieve Fancy's claim then, so Hal looks like the most solid option.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:32
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wologar posted:I see. But then the risk lies in hoping there is no tracker. This is a good point. Okay, I'm back on wins or Hal and leaning wins. But will reread before actually voting again since that seems like the proper thing to do.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:32
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wologar posted:Very well. I have no reason to disbelieve Fancy's claim then, so Hal looks like the most solid option. I will say that I am vanilla and I presumed the whole game was vanilla. I am sure there is only one scum left though so if it me today you should still have another day to find the real scum
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Feb 28, 2024 18:09
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CubicalSucrose posted:Can I get an example or two of Hal's known agressive-bussing-in-small games? That is almost surely made up, in fact the total opposite is true I would say. I guess if you dig through 600 games you might find an example of it. I used to go out of my way to sacrifice myself over my scummate in those sorts of games if it looked like one of us was going down because I live my mafia life under a constant state of suspicion so I don't want to be the last person alive if I can help it.
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Feb 28, 2024 18:11
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wologar posted:To wit, my suspicions lie mostly on Hal and Cube. You have since retracted this, but Cube would make 0 sense as scum at this point so I can't see why you would have any suspicion on him
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Feb 28, 2024 18:13
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Hal Incandenza posted:You have since retracted this, but Cube would make 0 sense as scum at this point so I can't see why you would have any suspicion on him And this was true even before Cube confirmed he did nothing last night. Please look hard at wologar tomorrow if you flip me today
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Feb 28, 2024 18:14
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I suppose there is some world where Cube is a ninja but that would seem highly unlikely and I'd probably have mentioned that possibility if I were putting suspicion on him after Fancy's claim. Feels like a fake read from Wologar to me
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Feb 28, 2024 18:22
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Hal Incandenza posted:You have since retracted this, but Cube would make 0 sense as scum at this point so I can't see why you would have any suspicion on him Because of yesterday's vote, dear Hal.
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Feb 28, 2024 18:48
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wologar posted:Because of yesterday's vote, dear Hal. Yes but fancy said cube went nowhere and there was a kill and there is only one scum so how would that have worked.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:03
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Hal Incandenza posted:Yes but fancy said cube went nowhere and there was a kill and there is only one scum so how would that have worked. It wouldn't. You will note that at the time of my post, Cube was casting aspersions on Fancy's claim. I have since retracted my doubt on Cube.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:05
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Well, there's also the possibility of Cube being a ninja, as you mentioned, but a tracker and a ninja in a low power game is a funny thought.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:06
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Thinking on it, a tracker, a watcher and a ninja as the only power roles would be a real power move from Ao-Pig. Bravo if so.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:14
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Oh, the other thing that had me suspicious about AFQM's tracker claim - I'm Lawful Good and VT.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:16
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CubicalSucrose posted:Oh, the other thing that had me suspicious about AFQM's tracker claim - I'm Lawful Good and VT. The idea being that if I'm not a cop, then all-vanilla seemed more likely.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:17
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CubicalSucrose posted:The idea being that if I'm not a cop, then all-vanilla seemed more likely. Cop because you're Lawful Good? That's more of a Lawful Neutral area.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:18
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wologar posted:Yes. That and what I commented a few minutes ago. From yesterday. Intriguing.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:19
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wologar posted:Cop because you're Lawful Good? That's more of a Lawful Neutral area. Yeah fair enough. I'm also not a doc, and those are the two main power roles in small setups that I've seen in the past. Not that that means too much here.
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Feb 28, 2024 19:20
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wologar posted:It wouldn't. You will note that at the time of my post, Cube was casting aspersions on Fancy's claim. I have since retracted my doubt on Cube. Hrm I’m not sure this makes me feel much better about anything
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Feb 28, 2024 20:24
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CubicalSucrose posted:Can I get an example or two of Hal's known agressive-bussing-in-small games? I remember from the F11 series of games I ran that Hal was pretty willing to throw his buddy under the bus because the games were moving very fast and as soon as someone got suspicion they were probably going down.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:08
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wologar posted:I see. But then the risk lies in hoping there is no tracker. That's a fair point.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:08
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wologar posted:Thinking on it, a tracker, a watcher and a ninja as the only power roles would be a real power move from Ao-Pig. Bravo if so. It would be awesome.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:10
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For today, I'm going to tentatively clear Fancy and Cube, so I'm on to Hal or Wolo and Wolo has been very townie. ##vote Hal
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Feb 28, 2024 21:11
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Cube, if EXLO is you, me and Fancy think pretty hard about why that is.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:12
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wins32767 posted:I remember from the F11 series of games I ran that Hal was pretty willing to throw his buddy under the bus because the games were moving very fast and as soon as someone got suspicion they were probably going down. Didn't Hal roll scum in all of those and the mod had to fix it so Hal wasn't scum in the last one or two?
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CubicalSucrose posted:Didn't Hal roll scum in all of those and the mod had to fix it so Hal wasn't scum in the last one or two? I was the mod, and yes.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:13
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wins32767 posted:I was the mod, and yes. Okay there were only a handful of games and they were fast so I guess I'll reread all of them tonight.
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Feb 28, 2024 21:17
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wins32767 posted:Cube, if EXLO is you, me and Fancy think pretty hard about why that is. It's probably because I've got a losing record at endgames. *shakes fist at Fool of Sound*
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Feb 28, 2024 21:17
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wins32767 posted:I remember from the F11 series of games I ran that Hal was pretty willing to throw his buddy under the bus because the games were moving very fast and as soon as someone got suspicion they were probably going down. I feel like I lost almost every game and died first in almost all of them but maybe not
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Feb 28, 2024 21:59
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wins32767 posted:For today, I'm going to tentatively clear Fancy and Cube, so I'm on to Hal or Wolo and Wolo has been very townie. And how have I been scummy?
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Feb 28, 2024 22:00
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Anyway I’ll be gone for a bit soon and probably dead by the time I’m back around so I’ll just go ahead and say I’m true neutral and vanilla, not that I expect that to make much of a difference
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Feb 28, 2024 22:08
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Hal Incandenza posted:And how have I been scummy? Your default playstyle is very hard for me to apply alignment indicators to so vibes are all I got.
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wins32767 posted:For today, I'm going to tentatively clear Fancy and Cube, so I'm on to Hal or Wolo and Wolo has been very townie. I still think it’s weird you’d think wolo was super townie, nothing wologar has said about how he had suspicion of cube after fancy said he tracked him going nowhere makes sense, unless he really did think cube was a ninja, but it doesn’t appear he was thinking that at the time
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