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Saladin Rising
Nov 12, 2016

When there is no real hope we must
mint our own. If the coin be
counterfeit it may still be passed.

Patter Song posted:

I think that there's always been an implication that Legendaries are closer to forces of nature. It's the difference between having a pet fox and having a hurricane as a pet.

Also, the Legendaries seem closer to sentience than most Pokemon. (Even the supposedly brilliant Alakazam)
Yeah, I remember one of the Pokemon movies I watched had Palkia, Dialga, and Darkrai fighting; Darkrai outclassed all the "regular" Pokemon but it still felt like Ash and company were fighting a Pokemon when they battled Darkrai. Palkia and Dialga were basically two forces of nature and everyone else was just along for the ride as they tore the universe apart in their endless battle.

Throwing a Master Ball at the Palkia or Dialga in that movie feels like it would just result in the Master Ball, the thrower, and half the town being vaporized by a Spacial Rend/Roar of Time in retaliation.

Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Dec 31, 2018

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Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
For extra science in-jokeyness, they should just mutually annihilate each other the moment an attack actually hits... because space and time are the same drat thing. Goddamn pokescience. :argh:

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Well, Dialga and Palkia are just below Arceus in the cosmic rung.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Cardiovorax posted:

For extra science in-jokeyness, they should just mutually annihilate each other the moment an attack actually hits... because space and time are the same drat thing. Goddamn pokescience. :argh:
Well then we end up with X-Men animated series logic where Storm can't hurt Magneto because "electricity and magnetism are the same thing".

Also the fact that Magneto is a word in my tablet's Swype keyboard dictionary is great.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
ABYSSAL CULT, WELCOME TO DIE

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Commander Keene posted:

Well then we end up with X-Men animated series logic where Storm can't hurt Magneto because "electricity and magnetism are the same thing".
Storm should've been able to hurl around Magneto at a right angle to herself. Right hand rule, bitches.

I don't see any problem with this.

Ryushikaze
Mar 5, 2013

Commander Keene posted:

Well then we end up with X-Men animated series logic where Storm can't hurt Magneto because "electricity and magnetism are the same thing".

Also the fact that Magneto is a word in my tablet's Swype keyboard dictionary is great.

That's because he's named after a real thing

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Ryushikaze posted:

That's because he's named after a real thing

On the one hand, yes.
On the other hand my phone's dictionary has most/all the Gen 1 pokemon in it. It doesn't suggest them as words until it's seen them at least once but it does recognize them as correct.

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012
Well a lot of them are real words anyway v:v:v

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.


Hello everyone and welcome back. Today's update isn't going to have a lot going on, but some downtime is appreciated after the past couple of action-packed ones!



Before we get started, let's try to teach Beeisel Meteor Mash.



Oh... well then. Nevermind. Let's just move on to Route 11.

By the way that's a weird sentence to type, because I live a couple miles away from the real life Route 11.



This is another extremely linear route. We could have come here as soon as we reached Kepler City, but there's a mandatory dive pond in the middle. Recall that as soon as we got Dive, we were "locked" into the Abyssal Cult finale, the Anastasia gym battle, and then the Taen fight. So this is the first chance we actually have to visit the full route.









She had a Pachirisu and a Dedenne. For whatever reason, I always seem to have trouble fighting the pikaclones from Gen 4 and beyond. :shrug:



Here's as far as we could have come before Anastasia.











The end of the route is just ahead. Just a few trainers to go through first!







What does that even mean? :psyduck:









Grumpig and Venomoth aren't exactly top tier my dude. My engine bee shut them both down without even supereffective moves!



Hell yeah I'm down for a battle!







What's funny is her Alakazam could have shut down Beeisel with just some fire coverage. But nope! Gotta Calm Mind and swap items instead.





Ultimately Nasca town is just a stop along the routes between Kepler and Hekate Town up ahead. Its big claim to fame is the safari zone.



As you explore the town, the screen darkens as you move up the steps. There's a reason for this we'll see in a minute. Just keep it in mind for now.









This is the way out of town. We could take it now and keep going, but there's some stuff to find here. We'll go that way next time.



I also don't know exactly when, but at some point shops started selling Max Potions and Full Restores. Handy, but we're still well covered by Hyper Potions and Full Heals for the time being.





We finally, between the 5th and 6th gyms and with an average team level in the low 60s, have access to a MooMoo Milk vendor. We've had Hyper Potions since we beat Xavier way back in the second gym. Two steps forward, one step back Insurgence. :sigh:

At least we can buy as many as we want for $500 a pop, I suppose.



Nasca Town is the breadbasket of Torren. Believe it or not, no cult ever aims to disrupt that.



Another fade-out here.







This is a small sidequest to get one of the original starters. We can catch them all in the wild elsewhere, but no reason not to help this poor guy out, right?



These fades are getting closer together.









: Are you all right? Don't panic. I'm only here to talk.



: Persephone's placed a huge bounty on your head. Now, everyone's trying to find you. I'm not interested in all that. Remember when you escaped the base? When Darkrai was summoned?



Oh good. Amy is seeing ghosts now.



: Most legendaries don't In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Rayquaza rescued East somehow.

Confirmed Deaths: 3?

We never find out for certain. East is gone from the story and Rayquaza never again shows up in its Mega Forme.

: Persephone and Darkari's goals are completely different. She doesn't want world domination or control, she just wants revenge. ...and you need to stop her from getting it. Soon, she'll find a way to control it.



: Not only that... but you and that green-haired girl have your own reason for saving it. It may have the secret to curing Audrey's son. I apologize for taking your time. Believe it or not, you and Darkrai might share a common goal. Have a nice day.



Well then, looks like we have another long-term goal. But how do you even find the Nightmare Pokemon? I suspect his cult will somehow be involved.







:allears:





These will come in so handy. Seriously. In the super late- and post-game, I just want to get from A to B without having to stop and fight every Diglett and Zubat that pops up.

during the Kanto-Torren War.



Why is everyone talking about the black market all of the sudden?









Don't rely on moves that aren't 100% accurate my dude.



:raise: That's oddly specific.





There is, but it's another postgame thing. It's another member of the Forces of Nature trio... Thundurus.



Got another move tutor here!



150 power, 5 PP, 90% accuracy. Powerful, but the sort of moves I tend to stay away from. I can spam 141 power 100% accuracy dark beams all day long with Dracolich.



doesn't even believe she can.











:smith: Poor kid.



See that tiny sliver of dark in the water?







:sigh: Let's get it over with.







That's 4/8! We're halfway done.





I actually forgot about this little fellow when I did the looking ahead bit last time.



He's hanging out in a little wind farm.







Been a hot minute since we've seen a new Delta, eh?













Delta Pawniard is Flying/Fighting type. Its three abilities are Defiant (Boosts the Pokemon's Attack stat when its stats are lowered), Frisk (The Pokemon can check an opposing Pokemon's held item), and Wind Force (Hidden; Flying-type moves boost this Pokemon's speed). There's also Mega Delta Bisharp's ability of Technician (Powers up the Pokemon's weaker moves).

Many moves that this Pawniard and Bisharp learn are either at or just under 60 power. In addition to those moves that its mega form boosts, it also learns a lot of really powerful moves from both types. To put it plainly, this is an extremely good Delta type, and is very likely to be joining the team soon.

By the way, Mega Delta Bisharp has a base attack of 155, giving it the same base attack as Mega Pinsir and Mega Gyarados. Bisharp himself isn't too shabby either with 125!

Everyone should probably be saying their goodbyes to HenryDavid, because he will be retiring very, very soon.









DragonKick isn't a very good nickname, so as always if anyone has any better suggestions, I'm all ears!



Let's end the update by going into the safari zone and poking around.





I could show the map, but it's just a gigantic square. We're headed to the bottom right corner of the area.







This is what that guy was looking for. So let's just jump ahead...







Diana shouldn't be a problem with Dracolich. She's the sixth gym leader, in charge of the Psychic-themed gym. But that's still many update off.



I'm not 100% sure on what Insurgence's Safari Zone mechanics are. Everything runs after pretty much a single turn, and safari balls are worthless. So no cute XP pinata for our team!





So let's end the update here with a vote. Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle?

Probably won't be using them on the team, but having the option is always nice.

Looking Ahead

Nasca Cave

Same as Nasca Town

Murk Forest

Butterfree (10%)
Beedrill
Vileplume
Sableye
Venomoth
Honchkrow
Joltik (4%)

Murk Forest Grotto

Chimchar
Scraggy
Froakie
Delta Scraggy

Murk Forest Inner Area

Butterfree
Beedrill
Vileplume
Sableye
Volbeat
Illumise
Absol
Honchkrow
Delta Shinx

Murk Forest Spiders

Ariados (6)
Delta Metang*

Hekate Town

Munchlax Egg
Haunter (Trade Machoke)

Fiery Caverns

Magmar
Magcargo
Camerupt
Torkoal
Simisear
Darmanitan (Standard)
Delta Snorunt*
Dugtrio

* - Requires Mew DNA we don't have yet

NEXT TIME: Into the forest!

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
Squirtle! Always Squirtle

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Not to repeat the same point over and over again but "EV-train and IV-breed" completely destroys immersion. At least it comes from a Super Nerd so it isn't completely unfitting but still uuuurrrrggghhhhh.

Whatever. That new city looks nice and I like that it shows the agricultural side of the region. Delta Pawniard is also pretty neat and I had forgotten Deltas even existed it seems because my first thought was "oh, free shiny Pawniard" (even though shiny Pawniard is blue...but you know, Reborn did change all the palettes too) instead of "oh, free Delta Pawniard". I forgot this game's gimmick.

Delta Scraggy and Shinx sound fun and I want to see them too. I always loved the Shinx line.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
I wish the default color scheme for Delta Pawniard sold it being a flying type better - the shiny palette is much better in that regard.

Also centaur mega Bisharp is dumb, but I still love Bisharp so I'm glad to see it get used.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~
The fact that Mega Bisharp isn’t either a Megazord or some form of battleizer makes me sad. You’d think they’d at least let it keep Steel.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Happy new year, DoubleNegative.

quote:

Meteor Mash
Ooooh, it was the mash! It was the meteor mash. It was the mash! It was an asteroid smash.

quote:

Nasca Town is the breadbasket of Torren. Believe it or not, no cult ever aims to disrupt that.
Well, I mean, even cultists gotta eat. As a general thing, the various villains of this game have been fairly decent about not shooting themselves in the foot in ways that are too blatant.

That said, the trainers in this game just keep getting crazier. The funny thing is, I don't feel like I should complain about that, because high-end hobbyists are always complete weirdoes no matter what kind of weird interest niche you look at. I fully expect that by the time we reach the league, we will be in full Warhammer 40K Crazy Town.

Black Robe
Sep 12, 2017

Generic Magic User


...why does Bisharp mega evolve into a centaur? That has absolutely nothing to do with its typing, ability or design :psyduck:

mycelia
Apr 28, 2013

POWERFUL FUNGAL LORD



I know we can't get it yet but please let Delta Froslass* be good, she's my favourite Pokemon :pray:

*I'm completely just assuming D Snorunt means D Froslass. It does, right? :ohdear:

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Black Robe posted:

...why does Bisharp mega evolve into a centaur? That has absolutely nothing to do with its typing, ability or design :psyduck:
It turns into a knight with lance and shield on a horse from being a... swordsman thingie robot? I don't know what it's supposed to be, but if you treat it as a logical progression from fighter to knight rather than from dude to centaur, it makes sense enough.

[edit] Oh, duh, it's a chess pun. It turns from a pawn into a bishop into a knight. It's really obvious once you notice the wordplay.

Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 3, 2019

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Black Robe posted:

...why does Bisharp mega evolve into a centaur? That has absolutely nothing to do with its typing, ability or design :psyduck:

Because it goes from a pawn, to a Bishop, to a Knight.

Regular bisharp gets the same design change when it Mega Evolves.

Black Robe
Sep 12, 2017

Generic Magic User


Kurieg posted:

Because it goes from a pawn, to a Bishop, to a Knight.

Regular bisharp gets the same design change when it Mega Evolves.

Makes sense. Objection withdrawn. Though visually it's still pretty :psyduck:

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Black Robe posted:

...why does Bisharp mega evolve into a centaur? That has absolutely nothing to do with its typing, ability or design :psyduck:

It's a Knight!

DoubleNegative posted:

: Have a nice day.

What a polite ghost.

Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jan 3, 2019

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Black Robe posted:

Makes sense. Objection withdrawn. Though visually it's still pretty :psyduck:

The way they have it rearing up makes it look like the legs are just kind of coming out of the middle of the horse-part's chest.



Non-Delta Mega Bisharp isn't exactly my favorite design but it doesn't look nearly as bad.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

What a polite ghost.
Well, it's not like it was you who killed him.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

It's clearly a Centaurion, guys, not a knight.

And bulbasaur is the cutest benchwarmer :(

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
Squirtle into Wartortle then never into Blastoise because Wartortle's perfection as is.

DoubleNegative posted:

Delta Metang*
Delta Snorunt*
:w00t:

DoubleNegative posted:

* - Requires Mew DNA we don't have yet
:mad:

Also he's totally just a knight and steed in one package, yall. Plus centaurs can get double damage dice on a charge AND it recharges on a short or long rest.

biosterous
Feb 23, 2013




Voting Bulbasaur because taking the grass starter is always morally correct

Doobeedoo
Oct 6, 2013

Trees and plants tend to grow on this Pokemon's back because it moves so little. It loves eating food while playing with tiny Pokemon.
Everyone's talking about the guy being a ghost... Did I miss something? From him talking about Mega Rayquaza probably saving East and Darkrai not liking the whole death thing, I assumed it saved him.

Like... He just disappeared, right? Not like there was a dead body.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Doobeedoo posted:

Everyone's talking about the guy being a ghost... Did I miss something? From him talking about Mega Rayquaza probably saving East and Darkrai not liking the whole death thing, I assumed it saved him.

Like... He just disappeared, right? Not like there was a dead body.
Now that you say it, he says he was the cultist that stood inside the circle. That presumably means he was a live one.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I can't help but think that the Zoroark being there for a flash makes this some kind of trick by someone to gently caress us over, actually, since from what I recall that's kind of its whole game.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Speaking of new deltas, I'd love to see you mess around with Delta Shinx for a while, since Shinx/Luxray is Awesome.

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.

Cardiovorax posted:

Now that you say it, he says he was the cultist that stood inside the circle. That presumably means he was a live one.

Darkrai may have saved him, but...



There was only one cultist up in that ritual circle with Persephone.

Comedy answer: He was the cultist whose blood we stole for Mew.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Ooops. Guess I forgot about that part. He's a ghost, then. Or a fake ghost. Either way, spoopy.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
Bulbasaur. Grass types forever. :colbert:

I took Charmander in Gen 1 and Totodile in Gen 2, mind you, but my point stands!!!

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Rabbi Raccoon posted:

Squirtle! Always Squirtle

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I just love how the game continues to dunk on Team Abyssal, to the point where the legendary that they summoned is saying "gently caress y'all, I'm going to side with the person you wanted to sacrifice."

Maybe.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
That's the Dark Cult, we already murdered the Abyssal Cult.

Don't worry, I had to look it up, too. :v:

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012
Hit the grass, take Bulbasaur!
Name him Duffy.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~
Wait, I just realized. It’s supposed to be a surprise to people in this game that the Legendary Pokemon don’t want these cults to kill others and generally do pointless acts of evil in their names?

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
Also I like deltas so I wanna see Delta Shinx.

All-delta team for endgame or bust.

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Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Geostomp posted:

Wait, I just realized. It’s supposed to be a surprise to people in this game that the Legendary Pokemon don’t want these cults to kill others and generally do pointless acts of evil in their names?
Not really, no. When someone says "turns out that..." you can assume pretty much by default that it is, in fact, not supposed to be a surprise to anyone. The only thing missing is "who'd have thunk?" as a follow-up line.

It's just another way that this game is unusually self-aware about itself. Unusual for fan-game, that is.

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