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The Glumslinger posted:No, it was actually asked a ton during Watergate and that is when the current precedent comes from How many members of today's SCOTUS were in their seats 44 years ago?
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Petr posted:Every Republican I've talked to thinks it's a nothingburger or bad for Democrats. People really do live in separate realities. it's not separate realities, it's that they don't live in reality.
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Jun 8, 2017 21:06
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Skex posted:Why do you think that being under oath would result in him being more honest than otherwise? perjury is provable and comes with consequences - if not legal, further deterioration of the administration and its abilities to poo poo on people, as well as continuing to pull the gop down with it. lying worked for him to get elected. hasn't really worked since.
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the NYT opinion piece is actually some of their better stuff and pretty relevant
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Petr posted:Every Republican I've talked to thinks it's a nothingburger or bad for Democrats. People really do live in separate realities. Not different reality, comrade. Merely glorious republic of Russia!
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Jun 8, 2017 21:07
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skylined! posted:lol this can't be real He might just be that dumb http://www.newsweek.com/bill-o-reilly-fox-news-email-leak-sexual-harassment-587406 quote:It has been a turbulent week for Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly. On Wednesday, following multiple allegations of sexual harassment against him, parent company 21st Century Fox said the star host wouldn’t be returning to the network. (He reportedly received a $25 million payout thought to be equivalent to one year of his salary.) Now, leaked emails have shown that only the day before, O’Reilly’s legal team were contemplating a last-ditch attempt to save his job.
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I think it's a perpetually relevant topic. Maybe at some point when the important journalism about Trump/Russia/Comey isn't happening everywhere except the Times?
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I'm looking forward to 2028, where demographic change will be enough for a Kamala Harris/Ru Paul ticket to run on a platform of open White Genocide and win. I'll be bummed at the folks I gotta share the camps with though.
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skylined! posted:perjury
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Jun 8, 2017 21:08
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I think it's a perpetually relevant topic. Maybe at some point when the important journalism about Trump/Russia/Comey isn't happening everywhere except the Times?
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Jun 8, 2017 21:09
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Hey now, you're an All Star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
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Jun 8, 2017 21:10
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SubponticatePoster posted:C'mon now, dude, pretty sure whomever wrote that thinkpiece isn't in charge of ALL RELEVANT JOURNALISM REGARDING THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH THE PRESIDENT and took away valuable time from the latter to work on the former.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Eh, if you've already committed obstruction (and possible, actual treason) what's a little perjury on that rear end in a top hat poo poo salad? I mean, that's just a crouton in the grand scheme of things! if anything i'd like to hear the long list of things pence has to pardon him for get longer obstruction treason fraud perjury in this instance is like adding bacon. indulgent and unnecessary but come on man you know you want it and it;s only like fifty cents
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skylined! posted:perjury is provable and comes with consequences - if not legal, further deterioration of the administration and its abilities to poo poo on people, as well as continuing to pull the gop down with it. You know that, I know that, Comey knows that. But I don't think that Trump knows that. I think that he's literally incapable of even understanding the idea that he's not invulnerable. My point is that I wouldn't expect Trump to be any more honest under oath than he is when he's simply bloviating at random.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I'm looking forward to 2028, where demographic change will be enough for a Kamala Harris/Ru Paul ticket to run on a platform of open White Genocide and win. I'll be bummed at the folks I gotta share the camps with though. We are a violent race and we deserve what we get
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At this point the GOP should impeach trump on something unprovable so then when even more clear proof comes out later that they can do some "we aren't going to do this again, we had the trial already, move on"
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Just because you're having trouble with the analogy, doesn't mean that this is the extremely woke thinkpiece you're claiming it is Eh, I think it's a pretty tortured analogy that only works on a superficial level, though. What Comey's going through is not really all that much like what women go through when they're left alone in a room with a powerful man who is known to sexually harass people. Comey is himself a powerful man, both physically and politically, and I don't think he ever once feared for his personal safety from Trump. Yes, people are asking him similar questions, like, "Why didn't you just quit?" or "Why didn't you report him to your supervisor/HR/the White House counsel/whatever?," but that's kind of where the similarities end, IMO. Sexual harassment in the workplace is an extremely important topic, and it does belong on the front page of the NYT and other major papers. I'm just not sure that this was a particularly deep or well-thought-out way to address it.
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https://twitter.com/GOPSenFinance/status/872906043264782337 don't think they thought this all the way through
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Majorian posted:Eh, I think it's a pretty tortured analogy that only works on a superficial level, though. What Comey's going through is not really all that much like what women go through when they're left alone in a room with a powerful man who is known to sexually harass people. Comey is himself a powerful man, both physically and politically, and I don't think he ever once feared for his personal safety from Trump. Yes, people are asking him similar questions, like, "Why didn't you just quit?" or "Why didn't you report him to your supervisor/HR/the White House counsel/whatever?," but that's kind of where the similarities end, IMO. No, it probably won't be on the shortlist for a Pulitzer, I agree.
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Oof, gotta proofread yo poo poo
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Do you understand how editorial works?
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I agree with the sentiment but perhaps this is not the right time and place to be using it for clicks?? No one died, so I don't get the "too soon" thought
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Do you understand how editorial works? What a weird issue to go hard on man
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WeAreTheRomans posted:We are a violent race Yes. For evidence,
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Majorian posted:Eh, I think it's a pretty tortured analogy that only works on a superficial level, though. What Comey's going through is not really all that much like what women go through when they're left alone in a room with a powerful man who is known to sexually harass people. Comey is himself a powerful man, both physically and politically, and I don't think he ever once feared for his personal safety from Trump. Yes, people are asking him similar questions, like, "Why didn't you just quit?" or "Why didn't you report him to your supervisor/HR/the White House counsel/whatever?," but that's kind of where the similarities end, IMO. I think that it actually has more power as an analogy because it's a way to relate the experience of women dealing with sexual harassment and victim blaming to people who view themselves as powerful. If someone as powerful as the 6' 8" director of the FBI can be subjected to victim blaming what protection do women have when dealing with men who are both financially and physically able to cause them harm. I think that it also points to the fact that victim blaming is a Republican go to. That they by nature consider abuse of power as being appropriate.
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TheScott2K posted:Oof, gotta proofread yo poo poo
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/GOPSenFinance/status/872906043264782337 my pocket book has been extra heavy lately
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Rigel posted:No one died, so I don't get the "too soon" thought It's rear end in a top hat code for "I don't get it and I don't like it so I better deflect to something I can bark about with authority." Saw a lot of em in response to (jokes about) Chump's song and dance routine on memorial day Edit for clarity
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Place your bets now on how long they can keep him off Twitter. Social media review may totally be one of Trump's lawyer's terms of representation. If he was wise.
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Majorian posted:Eh, I think it's a pretty tortured analogy that only works on a superficial level, though. What Comey's going through is not really all that much like what women go through when they're left alone in a room with a powerful man who is known to sexually harass people. Comey is himself a powerful man, both physically and politically, and I don't think he ever once feared for his personal safety from Trump. Yes, people are asking him similar questions, like, "Why didn't you just quit?" or "Why didn't you report him to your supervisor/HR/the White House counsel/whatever?," but that's kind of where the similarities end, IMO. I'm guessing you're a dude because I shared that article on my FB and it's already been reshared several times by women who are like "this is spot on" that's not proof of anything but i guess I'm saying maybe examine your biases
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Skex posted:You know that, I know that, Comey knows that. But I don't think that Trump knows that. I think that he's literally incapable of even understanding the idea that he's not invulnerable. Thing is, under oath, the other side gets to as questions and he has to answer. Frame the question the right way and he will admit to anything. You could get Trump to admit to murder by asking him if he knew some people said he would be bad at murdering.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Thing is, under oath, the other side gets to as questions and he has to answer. Frame the question the right way and he will admit to anything. You could get Trump to admit to murder by asking him if he knew some people said he would be bad at murdering. trump's previous testimony transcripts seem to show he knows how to babble but say nothing, but that may have been before the dementia really took hold
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Place your bets now on how long they can keep him off Twitter. Actually if he thinks he's in the clear he might be celebrating and won't feel the need to use those thumbs. He doesn't understand how government works so this is entirely possible. I'd also like to remind everyone that the current approval polls will likely slip into 37%/56% approval disapproval by next week after the Comey hearing.
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The Glumslinger posted:No, it was actually asked a ton during Watergate and that is when the current precedent comes from Actually it was asked a ton during Watergate and never settled because of the resignation/pardon outcome.
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It occurs to me the Trump legal/political defense is going to literally be "what investigation?"
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I see my "devils advocate" friends (aka, parrot GOP talking points) saying that Comey perjured himself. They're saying he said he released the memo in response to a Trumptweet, but the tweet didn't come until days later. I have no idea what they're referring to.
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Serfer posted:I see my "devils advocate" friends (aka, parrot GOP talking points) saying that Comey perjured himself. They're saying he said he released the memo in response to a Trumptweet, but the tweet didn't come until days later. Your friend is wrong, Trump's lawyer was completely incorrect, the New York Times has clarified with verifiable information.
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