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Inside every "southern gentleman" lies a genocidal maniac, yearning to be free.
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Feb 25, 2015 03:58
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Less "hahaha what kind of sick gently caress would come up with that?" and more "hahahaha you wrote one of the most brilliant pilots in television history but you came up with the idea for Walt to Macgyver a loving torture machine in his basement because he was more comfortable with than murder hahahaha what the gently caress was going through your head?" "You ever think how loving lucky you were for the writer's strike to happen during your first season thus allowing everything to happen the way it did? Holy poo poo, hey Ringo Starr, meet the luckiest man in show biz."
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Feb 25, 2015 04:04
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I won't stand for any disses of Ringo Starr. 
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Feb 25, 2015 04:45
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Ringo is my favorite Beatle.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Less "hahaha what kind of sick gently caress would come up with that?" and more "hahahaha you wrote one of the most brilliant pilots in television history but you came up with the idea for Walt to Macgyver a loving torture machine in his basement because he was more comfortable with than murder hahahaha what the gently caress was going through your head?" He said it was just one idea of many thrown out there in the knowledge that it wasn't necessarily actually what they were going to do, it wasn't something that they would've done if not for the writer's strike.
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Feb 25, 2015 05:33
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It's the easiest thing in the world to come up with the most horrible thing in the world, although I think Vince is a little unhinged for actually suggesting them out loud. But suggesting really insane, obviously wrong things can serve a purpose. On one of the podcasts for season 5B of Breaking Bad, they talk about how they worked out what Hank would do next, immediately after the cliff-hanger. The list of possibilities is so huge that it's actually productive to write down some of the more obvious, dumb ones, just to explicitly rule them out and lay some ground rules about what's not going to happen. For example, Hank could just emerge from the bathroom, collect his gun and shoot Walt dead. Right? Well, that's "obvious", but it's also obviously stupid, for numerous reasons. He could confront Walt directly in front of everybody, verbally; he could arrest him, or surreptitiously summon the police and then wait; he could start combing the rest of the house for more evidence. But pinning those ideas down on paper or a whiteboard or something makes it easier to see why they're the wrong choices. It also makes it clearer what direction you actually need to go in.
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Feb 25, 2015 12:38
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art is not about what you do, it's about what you don't do. I guarantee every one of the involved writers in BB had ideas as asinine as those ones being brought up by Vince. It's just they ended up not being done.
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Feb 25, 2015 14:13
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It would've been great if Hank didn't have to die. 
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Feb 25, 2015 14:20
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Is it me or did Huell and Kuby only get two scenes together in all of BB? The one where they pressure Ted into writing a cheque and the one where they lie back on Walt's 80 million. There's a door open for them to cameo on BCS since Saul probably knew them before he hired them as muscle. One gripe with the last season of BB is that with Fring dead the show has to reboot itself, and the pacing is so quick we never get a long enough grip on Todd, Lydia and the Nazis as characters.
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Feb 25, 2015 15:35
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Is it me or did Huell and Kuby only get two scenes together in all of BB? The one where they pressure Ted into writing a cheque and the one where they lie back on Walt's 80 million. There's a door open for them to cameo on BCS since Saul probably knew them before he hired them as muscle. I"m hoping for a show, any show, starring Bill Burr.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:26
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Beeez posted:He said it was just one idea of many thrown out there in the knowledge that it wasn't necessarily actually what they were going to do, it wasn't something that they would've done if not for the writer's strike. I'm pretty sure he said that the other writers convinced him it was a bad idea, it wasn't something he put out knowing it was bad. He had it way too fleshed out for it to have just been from a spitballing session. But the writer's strike had nothing to do with it, yeah.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:53
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Is it me or did Huell and Kuby only get two scenes together in all of BB? The one where they pressure Ted into writing a cheque and the one where they lie back on Walt's 80 million. There's a door open for them to cameo on BCS since Saul probably knew them before he hired them as muscle. I really want to see more of those two, especially Huell. I don't particularly want to see unrelated Breaking Bad characters pop up in this show much. In a city the size of Albuquerque, I'm fine with the lawyer Tuco once held hostage coincidentally becoming Badger's lawyer. More coincidences would just feel forced to me.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:57
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qntm posted:It's the easiest thing in the world to come up with the most horrible thing in the world, although I think Vince is a little unhinged for actually suggesting them out loud. But suggesting really insane, obviously wrong things can serve a purpose. It's the basic principle to free speech- all speech, even speech that is wrong, has to be permitted to exist. The free trade of ideas requires the bad ideas. Bad ideas do you a service by strengthening the resolve of the good ones. You have to entertain notions you don't particularly like to find your way to the ones you do like. In a creative process, sometimes the biggest "aha!" moments come when you let yourself go down the wrong path. Very interesting fascinating incredible stuff.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:11
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Freshman creative writers ITT
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Feb 25, 2015 18:14
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No this is extremely interesting fascinating incredible stuff man
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Feb 25, 2015 18:19
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Idran posted:I'm pretty sure he said that the other writers convinced him it was a bad idea, it wasn't something he put out knowing it was bad. He had it way too fleshed out for it to have just been from a spitballing session. I'm not saying he knew it was bad per se, just that it likely wasn't something he fought tooth and nail to do.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:26
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echronorian posted:No this is extremely interesting fascinating incredible stuff man
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Feb 25, 2015 18:28
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Katana Gomai posted:Freshman creative writers ITT Here. Have this from some guy on Reddit. He calls it the "Fire and Ice Theory". 
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Feb 25, 2015 18:32
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Uh, thanks for posting reddit poo poo?
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Feb 25, 2015 18:35
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Meatwave posted:Here. Have this from some guy on Reddit. He calls it the "Fire and Ice Theory". 
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Feb 25, 2015 18:47
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Meatwave posted:Here. Have this from some guy on Reddit. He calls it the "Fire and Ice Theory". Wait, how is Hamlin a good guy, he manipulated Chuck into agreeing with him for Jimmy to not use his own name for his law practice. 0/10, immersion ruined.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:58
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Feb 25, 2015 19:01
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I don't know why I read all that, but he says "purple is a kind of red." It's the classic problem of noticing symbolism X and Y, then stretching it to include W, J, and Q as well.
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Feb 25, 2015 19:22
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I think the red/blue binary is there, but maybe it changes meaning depending on context, so maybe in some scenes it represents good/evil and in other scenes it represents legal/illegal. That's my attempt to rationalize Hamlindigo. I think the theory's worth keeping in mind, maybe as we get more episodes we'll get a clearer picture of what the red/blue mean.
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Feb 25, 2015 19:39
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I can't wait for future episodes to not support this theory at all except by coincidence, so people like that either become crazier and crazier trying to justify their knee-jerk "insight" with increasingly more far-fetched examples, or just go away. (I assumed it was a troll when I got to the DEEP PURPLE bit actually)
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Feb 25, 2015 19:52
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He calls himself a conspiracy nut in the second sentence and you guys argue at which point exactly his argument becomes faulty lmao
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Feb 25, 2015 19:57
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Welllll BB did do a lot with colors intentionally, so I think there's something there in BCS and that it's mean to be noticed, buuuuut.... Who knows what they're up to. Maybe it's meant to be straightforward, or maybe they are aware of how fans analyze this stuff and it's actually a red herring to set up a giant fake out. Who knows.
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Maybe they're incredibly talented directors who put a lot of thought and energy into telling their stories and spergs search for patterns in their work (which are probably common tools/tactics done in film) that don't exist? 
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Feb 25, 2015 20:07
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Well, Vince Gilligan even says they obsessed over putting color theory into BB... http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2013-08/21/vince-gilligan-breaking-bad-final-season-interview quote:GQ: This week's episode, "Buried", as it struck me as a great example of the way you use colours and the visual detail that goes into the show. How much do you obsess over those details? ... so I think there's something going on there in BCS, but it's not clear exactly what yet. I think it's best to keep observing and evaluating instead of putting forth a Grand Unifying Theory this early in the season and trying to shoehorn things to fit the theory. edit: VVV agree, it's probably in broad thematic strokes and predictions are probably dumb. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Feb 25, 2015 20:13
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Yes it's there but all it does is work with the major obvious themes hitting you over the head, it doesn't inform some deeper meaning. It serves the really loving obvious things happening. People kept trying to extrapolate color themes into predictions and poo poo with BB.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:19
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echronorian posted:People kept trying to extrapolate color themes into predictions and poo poo with BB. I thought crazy theory crafting is required for posting in TVIV?
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Feb 25, 2015 20:32
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Yes it is and I'm glad to see its back in full swing. I'm working hard on my werewolf theory about Jimmy and his brother I look forward to illuminating you all to the obviousness of it.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:35
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Peter Gould on twitter said that they were using a color theme in BCS and brought up that Red = Crime soooooOOOOO
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Asema posted:Peter Gould on twitter said that they were using a color theme in BCS and brought up that Red = Crime soooooOOOOO There's a distinction between crime and evil, which is where I think the redditor's theory goes wrong. And his explanation for Deep Purple doesn't hold water. A law/crime interpretation seems to be more compatible with what we're seeing on screen, and keeps things flexible enough that we can have good guys and bad guys wearing blue and red. The cops don't seem good, Hamlin isn't really the good guy, but they are the law so they wear blue. How's that?
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Feb 25, 2015 20:53
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Purple is a mix of blue and red anyway, so if anything that fat guy is BCS's equivalent of Two-Face from Batman.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:59
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Guys, I think I figured out the car's color scheme. "Red on yellow will kill a fellow, but red on black is a friend of Jack." It's like a coral snake, which is found in New Mexico. Red on black is the New Mexico Milk Snake. The car is an Esteem. Jimmy is going to get almost killed by his own self-esteem AKA his ego. Nacho is a New Mexico Milk Snake because he was wearing red on black when he was in jail. That means he is not dangerous, but just looks dangerous. It's all coming together. Please stay tuned for my 5000 word post explaining everything.
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